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Flyers vs. Lightning: Why the 1-3-1 trap sucks, and why it doesn't

Tampa Bay Lightning fans are getting awfully defensive defending the boring-as-rocks defensive strategy their team employs. From our pals at SB Nation's Raw Charge:

So Comcast has set the media narrative, as we've seen it on Versus since the 2011 NHL Playoffs when the Tampa Bay Lightning kept surprising the big-shots of the NHL: Guy Boucher is the villain, the 1-3-1 system is evil and bad for the game of hockey. Last night, the Philadelphia Flyers "stood up" for the NHL by avoiding playing hockey at times in order to make a statement against the 1-3-1. The Flyers are heroes! 

I have the temptation to blockquote the entire story here, because it's all pretty fantastic, but just go over there and read it instead. Then come back here and follow the little jumpy thing so we can talk about it. 

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To John's several points:

- The "Comcast media narrative" that the trap is boring: It's not exactly a media-created narrative. Remember that whole NHL Lockout thing, and how after it, there was this whole emphasis on increasing scoring and getting rid of defensive systems like the trap?

Remember how they eliminated the two-line pass? Yeah, had something to do with all this. Stretch out the middle of the ice, more goals will be scored, and the neutral zone trap is able to be defeated. The 1-3-1 trap makes it impossible to stretch the middle of the ice and effectively break out of your own zone.

Media narrative? No, not really. Just boring hockey that hurts the quality of the game. How this isn't something we can all agree on is beyond me. 

- That the Tampa Bay Lightning are the "bad guys": I don't think anybody really thinks this. I do think a lot of people rightfully think that they play a God-awfully boring defensive system, though. Nobody is blaming the Lightning for playing that system (except maybe Mike Milbury, but I wasn't aware people still took him seriously). The trap works for them and it's solid hockey strategy.

It's made them one of the toughest teams to beat in the neutral zone, and also one of the most dangerous teams in the NHL in transition. That doesn't mean it's not boring as sin.

- The Flyers couldn't even beat the trap with Tampa missing two top defensemen: Hm, Boucher doesn't always use the trap. But what better time to implement a defensive system that relies more on positioning and less on actual skill than when you're missing two of your top defensive talents?

- That if this happened in a Flyers-Devils game, the trap wouldn't be the story: Somebody must have missed Jacques Lemaire era in New Jersey. We're still talking about how boring the trap-loving Devils were before the lockout. 

- The high-scoring Flyers "turtled" when faced with the trap: I used this analogy already over in a story at SBNation.com, but I think it works well. Imagine getting a pizza delivered, and you know that the pizza box is rigged with explosives. When you flip open the box, it's going to explode in your face, and your chances of eating any pizza are going to explode right along with it. 

Playing into the 1-3-1 trap is sort of like opening that pizza box. You know you're probably just going to turn the puck over, but hey, screw it. You're hungry and think you can work your way around it and get to the pizza. (Pizza is the offensive zone in this analogy, and if you can tell, I haven't had lunch yet.)

No, playing into the trap is dumb. Your chances of effectively beating it are slim -- why the hell do you think Guy Boucher uses it? And why do you think Peter Laviolette decided he wasn't going to take the bait?

It's not "turtling." It's smart, boring hockey strategy. Just like the trap.

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The way you beat the trap is with speed. If players are just stationary in the neutral zone, it's pretty easy to get around them by just blowing right by them. That's part of the reason why the Bolts are so strong at this system -- they're a very fast team and can generally keep up with opponents.

But the biggest problem with trying to beat the 1-3-1 has nothing to do with player skill. It's more related to defensive positioning that's almost impossible to penetrate. Unlike the traditional neutral zone trap, the 1-3-1 essentially throws the two-line pass right back into the rulebook.

Line three defenders up on the red line and you're probably not going to get a pass across that red line. You can carry the puck over the line and if you have speed, you can probably blow past the defenders along the red line. But generating that speed with a guy like Martin St. Louis at the your own blue line is also an effort in futility. 

There's not a defenseman in the NHL that's going to be able to beat St. Louis or Teddy Purcell or really anybody for that matter in a foot race when in that position. That's why you need an effective breakout pass to a player with some speed who's positioned behind that first defender. From there, you can start to work around the defensive shell that Tampa has fallen into. 

That's how Peter Laviolette and the Flyers want to play the game, but the Lightning trap prevents them from playing their game. Why should they play right into opposition hands when they can just give them a taste of their own medicine?

Getting off that first pass is almost impossible with that one man at the front of the trap just sitting stationary at the blue line, and since you're not going to beat him one-on-one, your only legitimate option is to wait until that first guy comes at you on the forecheck. Otherwise, your chances of beating the trap are pretty slim.

The Flyers were just being smart. It's just as boring as the trap, if not worse, but it's cause/effect. The Lightning playing a trapping system result in the Flyers playing boring hockey. They don't want to play that way -- the Lightning do choose to play that way. Let's not forget which comes first here. 

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When the rules changed in 2005 and the two-line pass was eliminated, the neutral zone trap basically went with it. Coaches who had once thrived on that system adapted -- look at Lemaire, for example, or Ken Hitchcock. Most adapted to systems that don't rely on plugging up the neutral zone, but they (clearly) didn't all disappear.

Another adaptation is the 1-3-1. It's not the same trap that primarily lived before the lockout, but it's an adaptation that allows a passive defensive system to be effective. It sucks, a lot, and let's not ignore the fact that no matter how effective it is, it's horrible hockey to watch. 

The 1-3-1 isn't as prevalent in the NHL today as its ugly cousin was before the lockout. Hell, it wasn't even really all that prevalent in last night's game -- this nonsense didn't happen for 60 straight minutes. And as we noted, the Lightning don't even use it all the time. 

So is this really an issue? It's a question up for debate. What happened last night is an issue, but the Flyers are the first team to combat the trap in such an effective manner. Maybe other teams will follow their lead, and if this happens more and more often in future, this will be an issue that needs to be addressed by the league.

For now, though? Eh, a little boring hockey every once in a while isn't the worst thing in the world. Actually good for a laugh or two.

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Love it. In fact, I tweeted similarly a couple of hours ago:

Simple way to break Boucher’s trap: put $500 on the board for the first blueliner who can put a puck in that front forechecker’s mouth.

Btw, shameless self-promotion, but for more on how to beat the 1-3-1, check out this amazing FanPost from over on our site.

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by J.P. on Nov 10, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I learned alot. Thanks.

by j reed on Nov 10, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re supposed to be the bad guys.

The idea that the Bolts instead of the Flyers would be bad guys was clearly the shocking, over-the-top comment in RawCharge.

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by Bud in TN on Nov 10, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you think is going through Coburn’s head in the pic? “Man, I can’t wait to beat the piss out of Downie later?”

"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"

by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 10, 2011 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

“I’m here to play hockey and chew bubblegum. And I’ve got plenty of bubblegum.”

Bob.

by The Dark on Nov 10, 2011 3:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

“I’m gonna win this goddamn staring contest, I just know it!”

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by hintzy64 on Nov 10, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

“This one’s got a pretty mouth.”

/gratuitous

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 10, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!!

(not for long, if targeted for a puck-entry)

by Georgia_Flyer on Nov 10, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

“I just got paid, wanna see what else I can do?”

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 10, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

“Downie! Knuckle sandwich coming right up!”

by rugbyrowe on Nov 10, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just went through the comments at Raw Charge. Holy Hyperventilocity. They need to get better at being hated by everybody.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 10, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Flyers fans have had 40 years to learn how to be hated by everybody

cut the rookies some slack.

And really this whole conspiracy about comcast and versus and the Flyers is ridiculous. Sometimes I feel like Versus is extra-critical of the Flyers to avoid even the appearance of favoritism.

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by Pelti on Nov 10, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

except that the puppy was a dog...

but the industry, my friends, that was a revolution.

-tim
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by edesjardins37 on Nov 10, 2011 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

Nibb high school football rules!

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 10, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanted Hartnell to cross-check Guy Boucher after his 1st intermission comments (paraphrasing):

“They want to change our style of play but we’re going to make them play our game, we’re not going to play there’s. But they’re the #1 offensive team in hockey and we’ve limited them to 4 shots on goal so far, so I’d say we’re doing a damn good job”

Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!

by Vinny A on Nov 10, 2011 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

If I remember correctly when the Devils started this mess and Red Wings tweaked it both teams pressured the puck and controlled how it came out of your defensive zone. Neither team stood at center ice and set up an immovable road block. Those teams trapped your team by out hustling you and pressuring the outlet in waves. That is the difference between those teams and the Lightning. THis whole argument is like what came first the chicken or the egg. Why are the lightning standing around in center ice not delaying the game? And I ask again why do the Flyers have to mindlessly skate straight into a trap? Why is it incumbent on the Flyers.

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by MJDII on Nov 10, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Your last two sentences have basically been the bulk of my argument when discussing. People can debate all they want, but the the question has to be answered: Why would the Flyers play into the trap? It makes no sense. They have the offensive(?) awareness to see what Tampa is doing and they counter it by doing the one thing that negates the 1-3-1.

When the score is 0-0, it can be frustrating on both sides, save for the amusment of knowing that both teams are disrespecting the other. But when the Flyers were leading 1-0 and the Lightning still employed the tactic (limited, but they did at points), that’s when I lost all respect for Guy Boucher.

As Lavy said in the 2nd period: “They want to employ their version of a neutral zone trap, so we’re trying to counter this with a neutral zone breakup”. He flashed a split-second grin when he looked away, giving me a nice laugh.

As a closing note, one of my proudest moments as a Flyers fan came when the Lightning were just standing still in the neutral zone and you could just see the Flyers bench all leaning over the boards, taunting the Bolts. We were just flat-out humiliating them.

Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!

by Vinny A on Nov 10, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Last Man Skating

A coach’s skit with Terry O’Reilly, Jim Schoenfeld, Lindy Ruff and Guy Boucher.

The four of them are sitting on a hockey bench, in front of a parking lot, waiting for it to freeze over for the winter. They’re in Phoenix.

O’Reilly: You know, Lindy, I still laugh my ass off every time I see you go after Billy Smith’s head for spearing what’s his name in the ’79 playoffs.

Ruff: What an asshole. Speaking of which, Jim, is it true Koharski actually soiled himself when you went after him in the tunnel?

Schoenfeld: Yeah, he was shittin’ donuts that night. At least I didn’t punch him, eh Terry?

O’Reilly: Oh, you mean van Hellemond. Yeah, well, he tried to pull my sweater over my shoulders. I thought he wanted to go. Refs were tougher back then.

Ruff: Seriously. Hey did that guy ever get his shoe back from Milbury?

Laughter.

O’Reilly: Say, buddy, where’d you get that scar?

Boucher laughs to himself.

O’Reilly, Schoenfeld, Ruff: You think that’s funny….

Boucher: No, no, no pardonne-moi . Your tough-guy stories just remind me of the time when I decided to use this defensive scheme where you confound the opponent by doing nothing. It is a brilliant negation of the aggressive forecheck and made everyone so so angry, so piqued, I felt evil and dastardly and……

The others descend upon him

Intermission

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 10, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

Alas, poor Schoenfeld! I knew him, Lavi!

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by Bud in TN on Nov 10, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

it seems a bit wrong to me

that TB plays a trap style defense and then criticizes us for countering it effectively. why should we willingly give up the puck by making bad passes?

everyone’s always hated the trap so don’t act so surprised and whine that “everyone hates us” when you play it.

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by coheedandtbs on Nov 10, 2011 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

it’s like an army setting up shop out in the open and expecting other armies to come straight through them rather than look for ways around

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by coheedandtbs on Nov 10, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

“Avoid the trap.” — Jimmy Duggan

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by hintzy64 on Nov 10, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, that’s good advice!

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by doubleh on Nov 10, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Since you brought it up, if you’re a movie fan, the recent film Drive with Ryan Gosling is worth checking out. The director of Drive, Nicolas Winding Refn made a series of films (Pusher 1-3) starring the actor who played Chiffre: Mads Mikkelsen. Mads is an amazing actor — I think one of the best of his generation. He’s got incredible range, as can be seen in Pusher 1 + 2, and Refn also used him in Valhalla Rising, which is a great example of a performance where literally Mads doesn’t have a single line of dialogue.

by Gizmoitus on Nov 10, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Valhallha Rising knocked me on my ass. He was amazing. I’ll have to check out Refn’s other movies. Thanks for the recommends.

by j reed on Nov 10, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool, I think you’ll really dig the Pusher series.

Just to further check out his range, I happened to catch this really unusual film a while back: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418455/

by Gizmoitus on Nov 10, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Mads is EXTREMELY underrated and borderline unknown. He suffers from the Gary Oldman problem, where he so throws himself into a role and transforms that he’s unrecognizable when he’s done.

Every film I see him in he’s different, unique, and captivating. Valhalla Rising sounds awesome, I’ll have to check it out.

It's in his wheelhouse!!
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by Dr. Steve on Nov 10, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Valhalla Rising

Be warned it’s very slow, like Solaris slow ( Andrei Tarkovsky version). The cinematography is breathtaking. Each frame is like a painting. Had a real dream-like quality reminiscent of Werner Herzog’s Heart of Glass.

by j reed on Nov 10, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

There are things the NHL could do to lessen the effectiveness of the trap

I think some people are missing the point here (tb whiners): this is not a Flyers vs. Lightning problem, this is an NHL rules problem. Kudos to Lavvy and crew for employing a strategy that calls out just how ridiculous it is to have to beat up against the 1-3-1 all game.

The reason the 1-3-1 works so well is that we have these small north american rinks, that cause everyone to have to pack into a small area. The dump-in is the way you get around all that packing, but so long as a team can hang a D man back, and have the goalie tee it up for him behind the net, it makes it extremely difficult for the offensive team to have to grind through that, so you get boring dump and chase hockey for the entire game.

Just about every team plays a modified version of the trap on PK’s — and as far as I know the 1-3-1 came from recognition that it’s a very effective strategy. When I played hockey, we called it the diamond. One of the 2 defensemen would push up into the neutral zone covering the off wing, so that you’re in the form of a diamond. Forechecker plays puck, off wing shadows winger. The other d man hangs back in the center of the ice. The same basic idea… take away the neutral zone and make it difficult for them to do anything but dump the puck, and if they do you have a guy back who gets to it first and has an easy iciing lane.

Many teams now employ a back pass to force coverage back towards the blueline while still giving the player with the puck a way of having entry speed and a choice of lanes into the zone. On the 1-3-1 with the third man clogging in there, you’re basically asking the team that is pushing play to have to skate through a picket fence of players, risking a break away against. The Flyers simply pointed out that if you’re going to insist that everything pack into the area between the blue lines

Possibilities:

-Make it against the rules for the Goalie to play the puck behind the net on wraparounds

-allow dump ins from behind the redline when the other team has 3 players in the
neutral zone and 1 or more in your defensive zone

-When the opposition has the puck in their own defensive zone, penalize the defensive team for having 3 or more players between the bluelines OR require them to keep 2 players in the opposing players zone beyond center ice.

One or more of these rule changes would make the trap far less effective, although some of them would be hard for officials to call consistently. The officials would have to have discretion to recognize when a team is trapping, vs. a circumstance caused them to be breaking the rules.

One of the major dividing points in Hockey progression is when you start to learn and play systems and strategies. One of the key lessons is that the puck moves much faster than the fastest player ever will, so passing is the most essential mechanic in the game. The 1-3-1 is designed to take away the ability of players to pass the puck forward and attack the defense. The NHL has allowed this to go unchallenged for far too long, and I truly hope that this game will be the catalyst to them finally addressing it. No team should be allowed to be in penalty killing formation the entire game.

by Gizmoitus on Nov 10, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Very informative to a someone like me who is still a n00b.

by j reed on Nov 10, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

When switching lines, send everyone to the offensive blue line. Then pitch the puck high in the air, but not out of the rink, ideally to head toward the scoreboard, just forward enough so that it lands just short of the blue line. Check everyone to the ice and/or have an all-out fight. Do this three times in a row and this would stop, if only because everyone would be in the box and the teams would be playing 3-on-3.

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by Bud in TN on Nov 10, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I always understood the trap to have been a move of desperation than an overall philophy. You ran the trap because you had to hide defensive weaknesses on your team.
Before the lockout when the league had run rampant with overexpansion, there were too many guys in the NHL that weren’t really NHL caliber talent-wise.
Wasn’t the trap instituted to level the playing field between the less-talented teams and those with superstars by removing their ability to move the puck into the zone with speed by any means necessary—including clutching and grabbing?
As the guys on Versus pointed out, TB has three potential HoF’s on their roster. They have the talent not to have to trap.

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by Pbro42 on Nov 10, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

You have to understand that people are still needing to be talked off the ledge from the whole Rick Tocchet era of coaching in Tampa. They panic easily. And I also think it’s a Southeast Division thing – used to being told you’re not worthy of hockey because you live in the Sun Belt. Silly traditionalists….

But, seriously, it was one game. What’s the big deal? You know and we know that neither team normally has games like that – and we all know that games between the two teams aren’t normally like that, either. So what’s with the hockey is doomed thing, anyways?

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by Cassie McClellan on Nov 10, 2011 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

I think you play to whatever system your team is capable of playing. This is not a new problem, it has existed for several decades now, and there have been rule changes to address it. They have addressed the clutch and grab era with interference and automatic stick break penalties, among other tweaks— they just need to address this one. I would disagree that this is not normal — you guys have been employing this system for a while now, and you’re damn good at it, because you have players who thrive on counter attacking. It’s especially effective against aggressive forecheck systems like the Flyers play under Laviolette.

I think you can easily equate this to lane violations in Basketball. It’s the Hockey equivalent of having your 7 ft center standing in the paint the entire time.

Whether the rule changes or not, I really enjoyed seeing this juice up the rivalry. The last few seasons TB has been Flyers Kryptonite, and have been a model for how teams can beat the Flyers, so while I don’t blame Boucher at all for formulating a game plan around something the team does extremely well, especially when your D-corps is depleted by injury, however I believe strongly that it’s not in the best interests of the game to allow this strategy to continue on. Teams that push the play aggressively should not be penalized by a wonky ruleset that rewards hanging in a guys jersey and doing nothing.

by Gizmoitus on Nov 10, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You do realize that you’re talking about a team that gave up the most shorthanded goals in the NHL last season while playing this system, right?

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by Cassie McClellan on Nov 10, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But why would you have to play a trap on a powerplay? Bad passing leads to shorties.

by The Karl Hungus on Nov 10, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And, you know, bad defense. They also give up a lot of breakaways even-strength, too. Trust me, people are making far more of this than there really is. The Lightning’s overall team defense is dreadful at times. A lot of the time, actually.

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by Cassie McClellan on Nov 10, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly!

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by Cassie McClellan on Nov 10, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Somebody must have missed Jacques Lemaire era in New Jersey.

In fairness, this was not hard to do.

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by Justin F. on Nov 10, 2011 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

- That the Tampa Bay Lightning are the “bad guys”: I don’t think anybody really thinks this. I do think a lot of people rightfully think that they play a God-awfully boring defensive system, though. Nobody is blaming the Lightning for playing that system (except maybe Mike Milbury, but I wasn’t aware people still took him seriously). The trap works for them and it’s solid hockey strategy.

Eh, I can see TBL fans thinking this watching Vs. All the on-air people solidly blamed the Lightning and Pierre was going on and on in his usual way saying that everyone he’d talked to and seen tweets from were on Tampa Bay about it. It seems like more of the reaction today has put much of the blame, as it were, on the Flyers but on the initial broadcast it only seemed to go the other way.

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by JaredL on Nov 10, 2011 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

From a Tampa standpoint: Didn’t like that Laviolette did this on national TV at St. Pete’s, which seems to me he wasn’t legitimately trying to beat Tampa’s system- he was trying to show up Boucher and the trap, which is not… viewed positively by me (since when was he appointed guardian of post-lockout hockey?). Conversely, this was the two teams’ first meeting, so… maybe he does this in Game 1 vs. Tampa regardless of the circumstances. I don’t know. Both sides hold merit and Lavy didn’t say anything out-of-line to the media, so I’m willing to give ground on that.

Only other issue is the claim that the Flyers “won” the “stalemate”… which would only be true if one of the Bolts forwards broke discipline and rushed the defender.

Besides that, both teams are within the rules. Philly’s not scoring anytime soon by standing there, but Tampa isn’t either. Some of you guys are claiming that Tampa is “obligated” to rush- not true IMO- but at the same time Philly’s not obligated to just skate right into the trap and give up what is an automatic turnover. The result is what we saw on the ice.

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by SnipeShot on Nov 10, 2011 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

*Bolts’

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by SnipeShot on Nov 10, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

as for winning….

TB held the Flyers to 0 even-strength goals and 14 shots in regulation, only one more than the franchise low. To the extent that was caused by Laviolette’s strategy that’s a considerable no-effort win for Tampa Bay.

If Laviolette’s intention is to start a campaign to get rid of the 1-3-1 he certainly won the first PR battle.

Anytime you can inject some loathing into a November game is a good thing, although it must have been odd for the attendees who went to see hockey only to have a baseball game break out.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 10, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

More like soccer game…

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by doubleh on Nov 10, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that’s true. although nobody fell after contact like they’d been shot. (Sedins must have played soccer as kids. )

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 10, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

St. Louis certainly has a flair for the dramatic, I’d say.

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by doubleh on Nov 10, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

he does have a nice fake head snap

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 10, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

A TB writer I follow on twitter said Hartnell’s late game hit is something “the league must look at, taking things like that out of the game”. Almost sent him back “As should how easily St. Louis falls down, guy could get injured floppin on the ice like that”.

G, the second coming of Foppa.
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by JerseyDriver on Nov 10, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d be willing to bet a small ammount on the fact that if you ask Lavy what games were going to be nationally broadcast he wouldn’t have a damn clue.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d say if there was any “planning” involved in this by Lavy, it was just he’s seen them do this, so if we see them start the 1-3-1, this is what we’re going to do, and as you said, it’s the first game they played this year. The fact that it was this national televised game has little to do with it IMO.

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by JerseyDriver on Nov 10, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this game going to be part of 24/7?

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Nov 10, 2011 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

Should be.

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by doubleh on Nov 10, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s your conspiracy. They did it all for the good TV. LOL.

"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Nov 10, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

They are making it up to HBO for trying to censor Bryzgalov.

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by Justin F. on Nov 10, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Dear Tampa,

Shut your trap.

Thank you,
NHL fans

Babe, Bucky, Buckner, Boone, BALTIMORE!!!

by goldomatic on Nov 10, 2011 10:43 PM EST reply actions  


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