Monday Morning Fly By: Matt Walker Tried to Sneak Back to Philly With Us

I don’t think Lucic went out of the way to hit Miller he just didn’t do anything to avoid hitting him

No, he didn’t skate halfway around the rink to hit him, but this is completely deliberate:

asking me or lanci?

You don’t think the phrase, “old-fashioned hockey” has anything to do with the FASHION of hockey played in OLDen days?

(FLYERROB’d for emphasis)

I’m on the Dangerous/Reckless train of though, especially because Lucic’s entire night could be summed up with those two words.

I think but I could be wrong Boarding and Headshots are worded differently and intent has been taken out.

28.1 Supplementary Discipline – In addition to the automatic fines and suspensions imposed under these rules, the Commissioner may, at his discretion, investigate any incident that occurs in connection with any Pre-season, Exhibition, League or Playoff game and may assess additional fines and/or suspensions for any offense committed during the course of a game or any aftermath thereof by a player, goalkeeper, Trainer, Manager, Coach or non-playing Club personnel or Club executive, whether or not such offense has been penalized by the Referee.
If an investigation is requested by a Club or by the League on its own initiative, it must be initiated within twenty-four (24) hours following the completion of the game in which the incident occurred.

There is no automatic suspension or fine for this type of hit like there is for headhsots and boarding. This all falls on the commissioners discretion and I imagine intent has to be part of that investigation.

Here is part of Rule 41 boarding.

Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an obvious "icing" or "off-side" play which results in that player hitting or impacting the boards is "boarding" and must be penalized as such. In other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be treated as "charging."

Hence the charging penalty.

Which states

A goalkeeper is not "fair game" just because he is outside the goal crease area. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper. However, incidental contact, at the discretion of the Referee, will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

Now we have to interpret “reasonable effort to avoid such contact.”

And that would be a NO and hence a penalty that was not incidental contact. But to go all the way back to Rule 28 without a major penalty I don’t think this one is going to result in a suspension.

His head doesn’t hit the ice. But Lucic’s shoulder/arm/elbow (looks different from each angle, I really can’t tell) hits hard enough to take his mask off, so that’s gonna be the source of the concussion.

Everyone except Gaustad, and Gaustad only has .26 more PIMs per game than Hextall did.

He does hold the record for most PIMs by a goalie in one season. And he holds it for a reason.

Miller turned last second and ducked down and I don’t think I was written under the rules the principal point of contact was Millers head.

No, Lucic definitely caused the concussion. When I posted, I half considered adding an additional post to correct myself, but decided I’d just respond to it if anyone called me out.

No, Lucic definitely caused the injury, and the play was Lucic’s fault. What I meant to say when I said it wasn’t “Lucic’s fault the play ended in injury” was only that he didn’t mean to give Miller a concussion. Throw Miller off his game, hit him with a bus, wrecking ball him, yes, but not intentionally to injury. But that’s just my opinion, so it comes with salt.

But I do think Miller should be aware that players are not always smart. I believe in the unwritten rule, that you dont mess with another teams goalie. But Miller has to be aware of stupid plays, and the way Lucic was coming in on him, should have expected the hit.

Legal hit, but only because there is no true rule. But not a “fair” hit, if you understand what I mean? I’m a big fan of “tough” goalies, but I’m against what Lucic did to Miller. IMO, the hit was excessive, and he could have easily done something else that would have been more productive than running Miller over.

And while I’m here (because I probably won’t be back to respond to anything until after class) I agree with you on the vulnerable positions injuries, I think, based on what I’ve read you write.

Sure, the player does have some responsibility to protect themselves, everyone does no matter the hit is legal or not. But the main responsibility is always on the player dealing the hit. They are the ones initiating the contact, they are the ones responsible for the results.

And that’s my tl;dr reply. :)