Flyers vs. Hurricanes: Claude Giroux scores like 80 goals, Flyers win

by Travis Hughes on Nov 14, 2011 11:09 PM EST in Philadelphia Flyers Game Recaps - 11-12

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A few weeks ago, we wondered out loud if the Philadelphia Flyers offense was being paced by just one line. We've seen more out-of-control offensive games in this young season than we can count, and that can tend to lead us to believe that the highest-scoring-team-in-the-NHL thing is a little overblown.

But slowly but surely, the Flyers are proving that just maybe, this team can score with the best of them. They can get contributions offensively from every line, break up all the defensive duties evenly and win lots and lots of hockey games. That's just what they did tonight, finishing up their three game Southeast Division road trip like a bunch of well-tanned badasses.

Claude Giroux led the charge as usual, but got some help tonight by Max Talbot, Wayne Simmonds and Matt Read. Sergei Bobrovsky only had to make 17 saves in the game to secure the win.

The Hurricanes tried their best to come back in what seemed like a billion different chances tonight, but the Flyers just punched them in the face each time. Patrick Dwyer scores in the last second of the first period to cut the Flyers lead to 2-1? G scores less than three minutes into the third to get it right back.

Thinking about tying the game late, 'Canes? Well, Matt Read decided he wanted to score a goal, then collide face first with the boards... and then get up and walk away basically unscathed.

5-3 win. First place in the Atlantic and the East. Five points out of six on the three game road trip. Maybe they can just play every game below the Mason-Dixon Line.

Questions with Answers

Claude Giroux scored four points last time these teams met. The second line paced the offense last night. Does Giroux's line step back up tonight? Yeeeeep. Five points from the line, three from Claude.
Sergei Bobrovsky is in the crease. How's he look? Bob was great, even though James van Riemsdyk tried to kill him apparently. b
Eric Staal has suuuucked lately. Can the Flyers keep him down after he finally got back on the board Saturday? Whatever. He had a nice assist but whatever.
Jaromir Jagr has 104 career points in 70 career games against Carolina/Hartford. 104 points in 70 games. So he scores tonight, right? Two points, both assists. 106 points in 71 games.

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Giroux is like Canada Dry.

MADE WITH REAL GINGER!

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You don’t have to be sweet to be good, but Giroux is anyway.

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by Snevik on Nov 14, 2011 11:11 PM EST reply actions

Jagr totally trolled Carchidi.

I think I love him even more now.

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Jagr tonight said I had a “porno” moustache. He even pulled it. Really. He’s growing one for the NHL’s support of cancer in Nov. #Flyers

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 14, 2011 11:13 PM EST reply actions

Hahahaha. Jagr’s stache is even more porno, imo. But whatever, it’s for a good cause :)

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by LeepinLizardz on Nov 14, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions

So now it’s the NHL who supports cancer? How dare they. At least the fans booed the commercials.

G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*

by JerseyDriver on Nov 14, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions

THANK YOU, FLYERS!

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by doubleh on Nov 14, 2011 11:13 PM EST reply actions

Read goal on the break was sexxxxxxy. Claude also… as usual.

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by NYflyGUY on Nov 14, 2011 11:14 PM EST reply actions

Yes, just glad he didn’t break his face on the boards in the process.

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by doubleh on Nov 14, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions

Got buried after the game but...

“That bunch of Hurricanes was so sad and weak, it made me Tropically Depressed.”

/IsInABadPunKindOfMood

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 14, 2011 11:15 PM EST reply actions

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by Justin F. on Nov 14, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions

That’s ok, the Sports Night guys had the intro line “There’s a storm in town and it’s category G”. Really? Realllllllyyy?

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by JerseyDriver on Nov 14, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions

Voracek has been playing well lately. 2 assists tonight and that pass to Read for the goal was scary nice. Nice to see the other lines starting to come together.

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by Mitchell Green on Nov 14, 2011 11:19 PM EST reply actions

For real. As much as I hate to see Couturier on that 4th line (10 minutes tonight, ugh), Read/Talbot/Voracek looked excellent out there.

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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Nov 14, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, hopefully they all start clicking, have been looking better and better the last few games.

G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*

by JerseyDriver on Nov 14, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions

Two shorties against? Fire Peter Laviolette NOW.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Nov 14, 2011 11:32 PM EST reply actions

And he TOTALLY was going to pick the wrong guys for the shootout, too, I just know it!

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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 14, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions

If only he were an NHL hall-of-famer like Mark Howe, we’d have won like 8 Cups by now.

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by mikefive on Nov 14, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions

By ‘wrong guys’ you mean Briere, JVR, and Richie, right? (Oh, wait …)

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 15, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions

Giroux is now 2 points behind Kessel and 1 goal behind Kessel for the NHL league leaders.

You can question the Flyers and their offseason moves all you want. But one notion they got right was this: that if they moved some of their star players, they had a guy in Claude Giroux who could fill that void and become the face of the team. Of course the second piece of that was James van Riemsdyk who only has 13 points in 16 games but so far Jagr’s performance on Giroux’s wing has meant that JVR’s progress as a prospect doesn’t have a very great immediate bearing on the team.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 14, 2011 11:35 PM EST reply actions

JVR will come on as the season goes along. He’s not Giroux-level in tems of talent but he’s going to be just fine.

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by mikefive on Nov 14, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

Well Briere isnt having the fastest start either, but most people also think he will be just find by season end.

by Anders Jensen on Nov 14, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions

Yep I also probably didn’t make it very clear but I think JVR has been reasonably good so far, but the limelight’s in other directions right now which is why he’s been portrayed as struggling. Really should’ve italicized ‘only’ in ‘James van Riemsdyk who only has 13 points in 16 games’ or put sarcasm tags or something. I predict JVR will maintain his current pace with a few surges here and there in the season. And if that happens I will be very happy.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions

Of course the second piece of that was James van Riemsdyk who only has 13 points in 16 games

I like when a player is on record to get 66 point in a season, it is seen as a disappointment :)

The only thing I miss from Richards, Powe, Betts and Carter is there defensive side, some of the new guys does not seem to be just as good in the defensive zone as they was.

by Anders Jensen on Nov 14, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions

Exactly he hasn’t been at his best and is on pace for 66 points. If he keeps that pace up and has the odd surge of goal scoring as we know he is capable of doing, he could definitely surpass 65 or so which would be a great effort at this stage.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 14, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions

Yea. I just think people saw how dominating JVR can be with his play in the playoffs and are disappointed that it hasnt carried over to the season yet.

by Anders Jensen on Nov 14, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions

Yep, he’s been good but not spectacular like he was on the playoffs last season. He’s been contributing but hasn’t been taking control of games on his own like he was doing at times in the playoffs.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 14, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions

Exactly the point I was going to make. If you project his stats out (and his 12.5% shooting percentage is certainly more sustainable than Talbot’s) he’ll have scored 30 goals by the end of the season. Last I checked, 30-goal scorers were pretty goddamn valuable! (especially since JVR doesn’t fall down or take stupid penalties … unlike some others …)

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 15, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions

Agreed, that G was going to step up, but I think that was one way or the other. The question was not would he be a biug part, but who else would help him. JvR will have some goals in that role, but you see how they are getting offense from all over. That needs to continue, as well as the good all around play by all the lines. I can’t tell you how happy I am that Shelly is out and they are playing like this, really makes me hope he gets back in and has a bad game to highlight how much he doesn’t fit.

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by JerseyDriver on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions

really makes me hope he gets back in and has a bad game to highlight how much he doesn’t fit.

That feels like self torture to prove a point…

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 14, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions

I know, and I hate wishing something like that on a player; but when you see what this team is capable of, having a 4th line that can play a good shift, take some time to keep the other lines fresh and chip in a goal here or there, I just don’t want to throw a wrench in the mix.

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by JerseyDriver on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions

Claude Giroux had more points than anybody on the team last year. I don’t think he’s “filling a void” since he’s exactly where he was last year.

It’s one thing if he went from 3rd on the team in scoring behind Carter and Richards, but how is he filling a void left by their star players if there was no void?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 14, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions

1) With Richards and Carter no longer in the lineup Giroux is getting more time on ice than he was getting last year. That’s a void that Giroux is filling.

2) With Richards and Carter no longer added 0.28 + 0.45 = 0.73 goals/game. Giroux has gone from 0.30 goals/game to 0.65 goals/game.

3) Giroux’s Corsi Rel QoC is highest amongst Flyers forwards who have played 5 games or more. Who had that honor last season? Jeff Carter.

You still think Giroux would be playing the minutes he’s playing, scoring the goals/game he’s scoring and facing the competition he’s facing with Jeff Carter and Mike Richards around?

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 15, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions

Except he’s barely getting any more playing time, really.

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TOI/60 in 2011-12 – ES: 13.48, PP: 3.82, PK 2.39

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by Snevik on Nov 15, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions

So the extra minute he’s getting this year comes from the power play. Seeing as how the Flyers lead the league in PP time this year, I wonder if they’re at all related?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 15, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions

He’s not getting lucky so much as he’s feasting on PKSV%.

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by Snevik on Nov 15, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions

A little. This year: 3 goals on 9 shots (33%). Last year: 8 goals on 33 shots (24%).

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 15, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions

He has 4 PPGs so far this year. But, my hypothesis is still probably off.

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by Snevik on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions

Ah, I was only counting 5 v. 4, not PP.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 15, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions

Except he’s not really scoring more at ES, either:

2010-11 – G/60: .75, A1/60: 1.29, A2/60: .65
2011-12 – G/60: .83, A1/60: 1.39, A2/60: 0.00

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by Snevik on Nov 15, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions

1) if you discount A2/60 (which I often do) he is certainly scoring more /60

2) The reason I went /game instead of /60 was that firstly /60 ignores the extra PP time Giroux’s been getting (which is a ‘void’ he’s filling) and also /60 is more a measure of an individual player’s performance rather than their contribution to individual games if you sorta get what I mean. A player on the third line can have a fantastic P/60 if they are playing very well but they aren’t necessarily dominating games unless they’re getting the minutes to accompany it.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 15, 2011 3:23 AM EST up reply actions

1) Giroux this year – 20:37 TOI/G. Giroux last year – 19:23 TOI/G, more than Richards and Carter. That one minute extra is a void? He had the highest TOI/G among forwards last year. He has the highest TOI/G among forwards this year. Where’s the difference?

2) Claude Giroux has gone from 14.8% shooting to 21.2% shooting. He also was at 9 goals in 17 games, shooting 23.1% last year.

3) His Corsi Rel QoC is lower this year than last year. He was 4th (behind Carter, Nodl, and Versteeg) last year, meaning he faced first line opponents. He’s 1st this year, meaning he faced first line opponents.

Claude Giroux was the leading scorer last year; he’s the leading scorer this year.
Claude Giroux led the forwards in ice time per game last year; he leads the forwards in ice time per game this year.
Claude Giroux faced first line opposition last year; he’s facing first line opposition this year.
Claude Giroux had a shooting percentage over 23% through 17 games last year, he has a 21% shooting percentage through 17 games this year.

Where’s this void that he’s filling this year, that he wasn’t filling last year.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 15, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions

The shear OH NO!!! G is on the ice!!!, as opposed to merely, uh oh, G is on the ice…?

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by goldomatic on Nov 15, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions

OK then who is filling the void? There was a void left by the departure of two top 20 centers from this Flyers team and, evidenced by the fact that this team is currently sitting at the top of the East with the most productive offense in the league, that void has been filled. Who do you attribute to that? I picked Giroux immediately because he has been behind so many of our wins but if you can think of someone else or another couple of players I can accept that.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 15, 2011 3:33 AM EST up reply actions

There was a void left by the departure of two top 20 centers from this Flyers team and, evidenced by the fact that this team is currently sitting at the top of the East with the most productive offense in the league, that void has been filled.

Ugh I reckon your immediate reaction would be to target this statement. So let’s say the void, at least in terms of offensive contribution, has been filled so far this season.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 15, 2011 3:35 AM EST up reply actions

The Flyers’ offense has not suffered so far this season despite massive overhauls. This much we agree on. But singling out Claude Giroux as the one who replaced Richards’ and Carter’s production ignores that Giroux was producing more than them last year.

You want to say Giroux is awesome? He is. But the Flyers have gotten Jagr (1.00 ppg) and JVR (0.81 ppg) to step up and give the Flyers 1.28 ppg they didn’t have last year, helping to offset the 1.64 ppg lost with Richards and Carter’s departure.

But really, the offensive moves are far too complicated – and Carter and Richards’ contributions far too broad – to attempt a “Player Y replaced Players A & B”.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 15, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions

Just to step in and play devil’s advocate here, I’d kind of say that everyone has stepped it up a bit to fill that void. Without delving into even strength/otherwise splits and keeping it real simple, here are the points-per-game numbers for some Flyers forwards.

(For reference/comparison: last year Jeff Carter tallied .83 P/game while Richards had .81/game.)

Giroux: 1.29
Jagr: 1
Briere: .87
JVR: .81
Hartnell: .76
Read: .71
Voracek: .71

Remember that article from a while back that said an average first-liner (as in, a top 45 or so forward in the entire league) would put up around 60 points? If everyone on this list were to hold those paces for 82 games, Read and Voracek would both be at 58 points. The Flyers would be that close to having seven guys putting up quality first line-level point totals. And that’s not even including Talbot, who’s at .59/game, and a few other guys (Couturier, Simmonds) who have gotten off to somewhat slow starts.

Not to take anything away from Giroux, because by the eye test it certainly does at least seem like he’s better than he was last year for whatever reason. But there have been lots of guys who are playing at paces that are just excellent (and no, sadly, almost certainly not sustainable), and THAT’s why we’re currently blowing the rest of the NHL away in goals per game.

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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Nov 15, 2011 4:00 AM EST up reply actions

Not to be nitpicky, but I don’t think I’d say that Scooter and Simmonds have gotten off to ‘slow starts’. Simmonds is damn near at a half-point per game rate, which would equal his career high for points on a season. And Scooter is an 18-year old rookie – he’s exceeding expectations just by being on the NHL roster. Schenn has arguably gotten off to a slow start (by being injured), Nodl is having his usual underwhelming offensive effort, and Meszaros is under expected offensive performance by 20%. Scooter and Simmonds, not so much.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 15, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions

That’s fair. I said it about Simmonds because his shooting % is down, from what I remember (though I think his goal last night helped that), and I’m not sure what prompted me to say it about Couturier, other than the fact that right now he’s just chilling on the fourth line and hasn’t had a chance to do a whole lot offensively other than in the games against Columbus and Ottawa.

I root for the All-Hype Team.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Nov 15, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions

The Hurricanes tried their best to come back in what seemed like a billion different chances tonight, but the Flyers just punched them in the face each time. Patrick Dwyer scores in the last second of the first period to cut the Flyers lead to 2-1? G scores less than three minutes into the third to get it right back.

And if the Canes had tied it up and the Flyers lost in overtime, we would be hating on the team for being unable to hold onto multiple leads during game ;)

/narrative-bashing
/Geoff’d

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 PM EST reply actions

I would have hated em for doing that. Im suffering enough watching the Eagles blow a lead every game

by Anders Jensen on Nov 14, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions

If only football was like hockey and only had three periods, the Eagles would probably be 8-1 or something

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 14, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions

ouch

Talbot 5 Nodl 0 11/7/2011

by chrislanci on Nov 14, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions

yea :(

by Anders Jensen on Nov 14, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions

I know Vorachecks facewashing of Skinner evened out a penalty, but I still thought it was okay consider Skinners actions. The same with Cobourn riding Staal into the boards, because he slashed him. It shows that this team wont tolerate been pushed around.

by Anders Jensen on Nov 15, 2011 12:27 AM EST reply actions

Oh, you mean this team won’t be Buffalo’d……………..

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by dinkster on Nov 15, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions

Pretty much. Had Lucic done that to Bryz, Pronger would have killed him or we would have sent Rinaldo to go batshitcrazy on them.

by Anders Jensen on Nov 15, 2011 2:45 AM EST up reply actions

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by Philly37 on Nov 15, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions

VORACEK

Jake seems to finding his place. Dude is shifty and quick, and seems to have some good hands. Looks at times he is trying TO hard, but as of late has seemed to fine his groove. JVR, go sit in the press box, your glaring mistakes the last couple games are become habits your team can’t afford. Turnovers, bad passes, half ass efforts. Your strting to remind me of Jeffie High and Wide. Jake, congrats. JVR, go eat a hot dog.

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