Zac Rinaldo, Tom Sestito suddenly switch spots
When looking at Zac Rinaldo and Tom Sestito, you don't really think the same thing. One is massive, the other is relatively tiny. But the reality is that, despite the difference in size, both players really serve the same function in the Philadelphia Flyers organization.
They're both asked to drop the gloves on occasion, play a physical game and bring with them a small bit of hockey ability. Neither is exactly an enforcer nor a pest nor an "energy guy" in the traditional sense of the terms -- instead a strange mix of the three -- and these similarities are why the two were so closely linked during training camp this past year.
Our main issue with Rinaldo during camp was his reputation. He had more suspensions than goals in the American Hockey League a year ago, and he seemed unable to control himself on the ice, like an even crazier mold of another former member of the Flyers. That's something that's hard to shake.
Meanwhile, Sestito didn't hold that same reputation. He seemed to have the ability to control himself on the ice (as much as a guy who plays such a physical game can, of course), while he could still easily replace Jody Shelley as a big guy who can contribute on the fourth line and provide some physicality and some energy.
In short, both players seemed to be able to supply the same thing, but Rinaldo came with the extra risk of hurting his team with silly penalties. Sestito, to that point, had been able to control that, and when you combine that with Rinaldo's ability to be sent down without clearing waivers, it seemed like Sestito had the upper hand on Rinaldo when it came to making the team in camp.
It all changed direction on September 27, when Sestito was suspended two regular season games for a ridiculously dumb hit on Andre Deveaux of the New York Rangers. It was a hit that sealed his fate, and it was a hit that basically locked down a spot for Rinaldo on the Flyers' roster out of camp.
Since then, the two players have played drastically different hockey. Rinaldo has been impressive with the Flyers, especially in the controlling-his-emotions department, while Sestito, who we had a chance to watch play two games this weekend with the Adirondack Phantoms, has continued down the path he set for himself in the preseason.
We've all seen what Rinaldo has done for the Flyers. Sure, he leads the team in penalties taken per 60 minutes, and as we've seen, a lot of those penalties have been the cause of his reputation and the fact that he's such an explosive checker. His hits look bad, even when legal, and that's part of the problem. But at the same time, he also leads the team in penalties drawn per 60 minutes, and he's drawing more penalties per game than he's taking.
That would be a net gain for the team, and that's what Rinaldo is here to do. He's been a positive player for the Flyers so far this season, and he seems to have reigned in the crazy. He's playing mostly smart hockey.
Meanwhile, the same cannot be said for Sestito's deteriorating game in Glens Falls. We only had a chance to witness two games, so keep that in mind, but in our estimation, he looks completely disinterested during the course of the game unless there's A) a scoring chance about to develop, B) a chance to deliver a big hit or C) a scrum is breaking out somewhere on the ice.
He seems to coast otherwise, especially when back-checking, and that's an assessment several of us were in agreement with during the trip over the weekend.
To his credit, we did notice him trying to draw an instigator penalty on a Toronto Marlies player in the first period on Saturday night, but for the most part, the truth is overwhelmingly negative when it comes to Sestito's play. He's taking a lot of dumb penalties -- 13 total penalty minutes in the two games this weekend, none of which were necessarily warranted -- and is doing exactly what Rinaldo did so often a year ago: hurt the Phantoms more than he's helping.
We didn't have a chance to speak with Sestito while we were in Glens Falls, but from what we've been able to learn, it's safe to say he's just a miserable guy at the AHL level. It's understandable, and can even be a good thing if it's used as a motivating factor, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.
Just a few months ago, Zac Rinaldo was the one who had to prove himself against the reputation he'd built for himself. Now, Tom Sestito is working on building a very similar type of reputation. The season is still young, but so far, he's not exactly doing himself any favors.
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Rinaldo cost nothing to acquire; Sestito cost Michael Chaput, who could be a solid checking center one day.
Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life
And the fact the Flyers are completely void of NHL quality centers makes this even worse.
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Apparently, Sestito is completely devoid of NHL quality. Why waste an asset to acquire him?
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Sestito had 4 points in 9 games at the NHL level. 2 goals, 2 assists… clearly devoid of NHL quality…
by OrangeNblacK on Nov 15, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
If he had NHL quality, he’d be playing in the NHL. Tweny-nine teams had a chance to pick him up off waivers and passed.
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So because he cleared waivers, he doesn’t have NHL quality… whatever that even means?
by OrangeNblacK on Nov 15, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Both points are weak. 9 game sample versus other teams not claiming him. There generally isn’t a large gap between 4th liners and potential AHL replacements, same with 6th Dmen and their AHL replacement. Let’s just call it a draw and move on.
Sestito has 2 roles that he can play at the NHL level, potentially. Right now, Sestito has ability to be an enforser. He’s big, stupid, and fights… that seems to fit the bill. However, the Flyers (thank god) look like they don’t want him to be a big idiot, they want him to find another part to his game. If they can develop him to be similar to a Milan Lucic, a big, strong, net presense, who can drop them vs. anyone, it’s a huge win for the Flyers. Right now there is still a need for enforsers—- and Sestito could be one right now—-that means he does have NHL quality, but not what we need, right now.
by OrangeNblacK on Nov 15, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, now you are trying to make a different point that has nothing to do with addressing the short sample size.
FWIW, talking to Tim who covers the team, Sestito doesn’t drop the gloves with guys that actual fight, he drops them with mostly non fighters. He had a tiny scrap with Maroon on Friday where Maroon threw the only punches.
Frankly I don’t care to enter this argument, I was just pointing out that neither side had said much that should really sway anyone, and could see it as a back and forth that would cause headaches for one another.
Good thing with Giroux, Couturier, Schenn, Talbot, and Holmstrom we don’t need a checking center for about 5-10 years
by OrangeNblacK on Nov 15, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Good thing withGiroux, Couturier, Schenn, Talbot, and HolmstromCarter, Richards, Betts we don’t need a checking center for about 5-10 years
Things can change quickly. You can’t honestly be defending a trad in which you gave up something useful for something useless can you?
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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 16, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
do you talk about your Movember ’Stache?
This month needs to be over… this beard needs to go.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Thanks for posting this article..I had wondered about Tom. Kind of sucks to hear this though…
by ThatsGoodKoolAid on Nov 15, 2011 2:32 PM EST reply actions
Thank you for posting this article. It’s nice to see the boy get some recognition for doing his job well. I was so happy to hear his name during the TB game. The VS guys really had positive things to say. I’m sure that in about 10 comments the BSH ANTI RINALDO group will be making negative comments like always (thamkfully there’s only about 3 in that group).
by lava96 on Nov 15, 2011 2:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They should make jackets.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 15, 2011 3:06 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
my members only jacket is currently in the wash
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 15, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Shouldn’t you only wash it after losses? Is that just me?
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I wash it every couple of weeks so when Rinaldo does royally f-up it’s in the most pristine condition
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 15, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I believe the majority is in a pro-hockey-utility group as opposed to an anti-Rinaldo group, and I’m not sure that clear opinion has been formed.
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by The Dark on Nov 16, 2011 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rinaldy looks like a SHIFTY weasle that don’t the GAME rite… any real GOD fearing person would not have DONE those hits … but he’s SHORT.
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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 15, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
You watch your ass.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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FR went to Penn State?
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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 15, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, did not see that coming. I was going for the Blazing Saddles reference.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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Wow – totally missed that one. So we’re even I guess.
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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 15, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Look dude, “BSH ANTI RINALDO” is exaggerating and you know it. It’s more like worried that he’ll stop playing hockey and turn bat-shit crazy like he was with the Phantoms. But he hasn’t done that, he’s been fine, so everybody’s happy. It’s not hating on him, it’s just hoping he doesn’t revert to his old ways and hurt the team. But he’s not. You’re jumping to conclusions and being a bit of a troll about it. So chill.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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I wanted to see more of Sestito…
…but his flippin’ popsicle trivia has made me change my mind. Banish him to the Wall.
Unnecessary aside – I initially was going to say “Siberia” but my afternoon-doldrum-riddled mind thought that the Wall would be more succinct.
You do the math…it’s not.
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- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)
Zac has been amazing for the Flyers this year. 9-1-3 with him in the line-up, 1-3 with him out of the line-up. He brings a certain energy, along with the other young kids, that we really didn’t have last year. Carcillo never had a defined role, he’d be with Richie one game and with Shelley the next. Rinaldo brings in new life and he’s probably the best body checker in the entire league right now. He has 5 bone crushing hits with ZERO suspentions. He’s also mixed in a few tilts with the fists. In addition to all of that he’s playing against top competition (CorsiRel QoC) with top teammates (CorsiRel QoT) in the offensive zone only 44% of the time. In only 5.84 ESTOI/60 (2nd lowest in front of Shelley) his CorsiRel is worst around -10 but in his limited minutes his controled uncontroled style of play has greatly benefited the team over his lack of ability to drive the play. Looking forward to seeing him progress in orange and black.
His Corsi Rel Qoc is second worst on the team, 13/14, only ahead of Shelley, not sure what you were looking at? I’m assuming his time with Shelley is pulling up his Corsi Rel QoT given his ungodly Corsi right now (along with Harry Z and Couturier’s). Please use a sanity check before using these metrics to back up any opinions of the player.
Good call, meant to say 4th comp w/ 1st team. His actual #‘s are horrible, I wasn’t trying to back them up. 4th Comp w/ 1st Team and the worst corsi on the squad (not to mention 44% OZstart and 37% OZfinish) show’s he’s not putting up good #‘s and his offense is mostly luck—-I think the intangible’s he’s developed have warrented his spot in the line-up. I clearly wasn’t trying to back up his poop stats—-I mentioned his dead last CorsiRel—-
by OrangeNblacK on Nov 15, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’s been fine as a 4th line guy playing limited minutes. I’ve been impressed with what seems to be an understanding oh what will enable him to have a job at this level.
As for the metrics, I just want to give you pointers for future reference.
I’ve been getting better with the #‘s just a lil mix-up there. I think we can all agree that Zac isn’t on the Flyers for anything we can truly judge on BTN.ca
by OrangeNblacK on Nov 15, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I just wanted you to realize what’s making his Corsi Rel QOT so high.
And yeah, I agree outside of maybe PDraw vs PTake. However, if he does do well, or at least doesn’t sink in a certain department, maybe Ozone Finish or Corsi/Corsi Rel, then you can say, hey look at that plus.
It makes sense, Shelley is inflated due to lack of time and some (I guess?) solid hockey in the short time and Zac has had a lot of time with him… and Cooter and Harry, like you said.
by OrangeNblacK on Nov 15, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
The worst part of all of this is that they had the perfect player for this role, and they didn’t resign him. They should never have let Asham walk. He’s a perfect 4th line pest/fighter/shut down guy and once or twice a year he scores a goal that leaves the entire stadium doing a double take to make sure it was really him.
What was Asham’s role last year? There was no need for him and still there is really no need for him. I’d rather have Rinaldo in the line-up at this point than Asham. Ash is at or past his potential, Rinaldo is just scratching the surface.
by OrangeNblacK on Nov 15, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
His role was to play on the Penguins, I’m not surprised you didn’t like the way the Flyers used him last year.
Whether they are past or scratching at their potential, these guys aren’t going to have a huge impact on the team; they’re 4th liners playing limited minutes and not touching the PK or PP.
Besides, it appears that Talbot has A Move of His Own, as well (and so far is especially talented at ensuring the goalies somehow miss the puck).
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I don’t see Asham’s absence as a void for this team.
by mantis toboggan on Nov 15, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just to be clear no roster moves were made right? You’re just saying they switched brains or something and now act like the other was supposed to before the year? Right?
Cause I really like the Guano Loco design and I don’t want it to go to waste.
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it is a pretty tight design
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 15, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll get one no matter where that crazy bastard is playing waiting out his suspensions.
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- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)
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RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 15, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think of Bat Shit Crazy more as an affectionate nickname now, since Rinaldo (while still not my favorite player) has not been playing as stupid hockey as he seemed to last year. Honestly, that’s why he has that sort of Downie potential in my eyes – not necessarily at Downie’s level, but the ability to become a quality player in the face of some previous bad behavior.
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by Chemistry66 on Nov 15, 2011 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That was my first thought, too! Oh NOOOOO they sent Rinaldo down and brought Sestito back! But thankfully, no.
by Georgia_Flyer on Nov 15, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I remember when we acquired Sestito it was a pretty big deal. We had seen him be an absolute goon when he played and as I re-iterated, Glens Fallsians love their ‘old-time hockey’. I didn’t know much about his offensive game, but evidently his NHL stints proved he had a little bit of one. Kind of a shame to see how he’s doing now. Klotz is there to be a mindless goon (even though his face shield is giving him cause to do otherwise ;) ), Sestito could be an effective player in front of the net and creating havoc with his size.
I may be harsh on him because I expect more of him. He looks good when it seems like he decides to, however he also looks like he has decided to use the AHL as an excuse to be petulant rather as motivation to work harder.
Hmmz. I had a detailed view of Rinaldo in the works when this came out.
How much Rinaldo can you guys stand?
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by iJewJitsu on Nov 15, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All Rinaldo, all the time
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
by Cillo stache on Nov 15, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sestito
Rinaldo
Carcillo
Flyers organization has been accused in the pastof anti-Russian and anti-Euro bias. Maybe also stereotyping of Italians, creating an “energy player” Italian ghetto.
Oh, and I forgot Jody De Shellia.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 15, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions
well….when you put it that way……all my player loves are Italian Ghetto players?
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
by Cillo stache on Nov 15, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
….most of us have types, for player loves and other kinds too
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 15, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
yes, more authentic
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 16, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Che? Non e vero.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 16, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
He knows his role, does it fairly well, and is getting dinged quite a bit for legal hits because of his reputation. Yet he’s still drawing more penalties than he’s taking (and those include some ridiculous calls against him).
Rinaldo > haters
hey guys long time lurker first time commenter, does Rinaldo remind anybody else of PJ stock? hes that little guy with a big hit and gets under everyone’s skin.
I love Rinaldo. Irrelevant and biased.
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by Cillo stache on Nov 15, 2011 7:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can I just say that that picture looks like the ref is squeezing Sestito’s ass?
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