Tuesday Morning Fly By: No Midnight Fly By For You
by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...
- Recaps: [BSH] [Canes Country] [Inquirer] [CSNPhilly] [Philly Sports Daily] [Daily News] [delcotimes] [The Checking Line] [Flyers Faithful] [Bill Meltzer]
- Reports are that Chris Pronger was ill and Braydon Coburn had a sore kidney: [CSNPhilly] [Daily News]
- Kevin Marshall and Marc-Andre Bourdon had good debuts: [Philly Sports Daily] [PostStar.com]
- Really good, unique feature on the Flyers video coach and how technology is utilized by the team: [Daily News]
- Matt Read was named third star of the week in the NHL last week: [Philly Sports Daily]
- The first steps to building the Winter Classic rink were taken yesterday: [NHL.com]
- Future Flyers Report starring Jason Akeson, Nick Cousins, and Brad Phillips: [Flyers Faithful]
- Jeff Carter had his coming out party in Columbus. Finally. [The Cannon]
- Matt Calvert was demoted to the AHL. I haz sad: [The Cannon]
- Is there a rift between Bruce Boudreau and Alex Ovechkin? [Puck Daddy]
- A new formula is introduced in this week's power rankings, bringing new leaders: [SB Nation Philly]
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Friggin' Crosby
Dear Bob Clarke,
If only you gave a shit to let Eric heal from the concussions properly maybe…..thanks a lot!
M
Commenter formerly known as M from Pdaddy, but still just Call Me "M"!
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by MJDII on Nov 22, 2011 6:07 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Let’s please not have a Crosby argument again (read the end of the third period game thread from yesterday to find out why)
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 22, 2011 6:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was quite a mess. I just sat back and watched.
To sum it all up, we all hate the Pens, most of us hate Cindy, except for Geoff ;), and most of us really don’t care that he is back and some of us are secretly hoping he gets hurt again.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Nov 22, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
Have to admit I am a Crosby fan. Kid is a stone cold winner. Got to respect when someone has the weight of the world on him and doesn’t disappoint. Unlike Lindros, Crosby was given key pieces and support but that was Clarkes fault not Eric’s.
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by MJDII on Nov 22, 2011 8:47 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I am with you M, I am a fan but I hate that he has an owner who like you said put the right pieces around him, and gets the calls that Lindros never got in his career. Plus how great would it have been if the team handled his injuries with the same caution they did with Crosby. Sure I’ll boo him when he plays us and get irritated that he is in every commercial and not one Flyer, but as a player he is money,
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
to be fair, would you say that you’re there for the live experience for 40% of those games?
Reason being, it’s easy to exclude yourself from game threads when you’re actually at the game
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Even when I watch at home I feel the same; I don’t particularly like being distracted. And as you know I’m highly distracted when people say stupid things, I would probably end up arguing for 70% of the game. And if you think I’m a prick with stats, I’m even more so watching a game; frankly people around here should be happy I never use my eyes to watch a game because I’m such a nerd, or really for the most part stay out of those discussions.
So it’s 50% of it has to do with me being a dick and 50% of it has to do with me not finding much value in the comments.
That’s a fair assessment, I can’t argue with that. And yeah, I could see you tearing into others. Quite frankly, you’re right, a lot of the comments have little to no value. Even during the day I’ve kind of reached the point of only paying attention to certain people’s comments, and just referencing pop culture that has little to no relevance
Yup, you wouldn’t like it here during games
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t want to hate on it too much because I realize that’s the whole reason some people come here, it’s just not for me at all.
I knew you get me.
seeing as you’re one of the people I read and take advice from (even though sometimes I don’t understand half the shit) I do make an attempt to understand what you’re saying
I can’t go to the games anymore because a) I despise a majority of Flyers fans. It just so happens we like the same team and b) I find it very uncomfortable, and to me there is little difference from the live experience to the HD experience
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with Don. I have enough trouble keeping up with games and chatting at the same time. Sometimes I will post pre-game or between periods, but even then I tend to get sucked in and start missing the game if I don’t close the BSH window.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
a) I’m riding in that same ship these days.
b) Disagree, it’s the one sport I need to be there for because I need to watch what’s going on away from the camera angle to really appreciate what I’m watching completely. It’s still enjoyable on TV, you just miss a lot of stuff that I find interesting to watch.
Football is this way, too. The NFL has become a league dominated by passing, yet we still don’t have a camera angle that shows what the receivers or secondary are doing until the ball reaches them.
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then i guess it just boils down to I don’t pay attention to the same things you do. But while I was at the LA/PHI game, I experienced the following
1) People constantly getting up to do whatever during the play. This is a no-no. The bathroom isn’t urgent (unless you have a medical condition, in which case you should be assigned the end seat on a row)
2) Your drunken bravado is not enjoyed, as you barely 21 year old starts making comments about a dude in his 30s going to get something at 5 minutes left in the 3rd. I despise both of you, one for getting up during the play, the other for trying to be a smart ass. If i had my way both of you would have the shit beat out of you. Drunken bravado is not enjoyed
3) I get it, you don’t like Mike Richards, but at least respect the guy for what he’s done. Give him a standing ovation, then boo him once, then no more. The comments aren’t enjoyed either, you scumbag. We get it, you think he’s a druggie, too bad you don’t think about that when you’re 3 sheets to the wind
4) I’m a bigger person, and I feel bad when i’m crowding the arm rest. I also feel bad when my buddy’s breath is subpar and I get a wiff of it here or there. Ventilation is key.
5) I just want to eat my crab fries in peace. Don’t make me get up, or at least do a risk assessment on either side of you and see how many people are preoccupied.
some of that is nitpicking, but most of that are legitimate complains about the people in this city, and my contempt for them
Booing Crosby every time he touches the puck is funny, but you better give him a standing ovation when he touches the ice for the 1st time against us Dec 8th
Respect is key. the more respectful the audience, the better the fans, and the better experience, IMO
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
but you better give him a standing ovation when he touches the ice for the 1st time against us Dec 8th
What the fuck are you talking about? A standing ovation? For coming back from something that hundreds of other players have endured? If he saved a bunch of children from a burning hospital, maybe, but right now he’s just another opponent that is coming back from an everyday injury.
I'm kind of a dick.
he’s one of the best players in the game. He averages more than a point against us every time the Flyers play him. He’s beaten us singlehandedly the last 2 times we’ve meant in the playoffs. In short, saying Crosby sucks makes you look like a complete jackass. Making fun of Crosby’s sexuality is fair game, I believe he wears lipstick and has a pair of DSLs
No, you give him respect because he has owned your franchise
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t give a shit who he is or what he’s done. He’s a fucking opponent in our building, he’s the enemy. When I’m talking hockey, fine, I’ll give credit where credit is due, but fuck if I’ll ever give a standing ovation to someone not wearing orange and black.
I'm kind of a dick.
Philly gave Mario a 7 minute ovation in 97.
Hodgkins > Concussion
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I was there for that.
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I was in the Bahamas watching it but you win, barely.
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No, wait. The date was bothering me. You said ’97, but the game I remember was at the Spectrum and the Flyers would have moved to the new building by ’97. So I looked it up and there are two games when he received a lengthy standing ovation in Philly. I was at the first one in ’93, when he returned from his cancer treatments. The one in ’97 was at the end of his final game before retiring.
Not that any of this matters, but the year bugged me so I had to go figure it out.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
that’s a shame.
I acknowledge players’ talent. I’ll give Mark Recchi shit, but hey, old man’s got talent. he’s a clap.
I try to act the way I would want others’ act. When Jagr goes back to Pittsburgh for the first time, I expect them to give him a standing ovation.
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
true, I was trying put a pig in makeup and pass it off as a human. Didn’t work too well though
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I see no reason to stand cheer him, I would like the Crosby sucks thing to stop because it makes the people yelling it look stupid. Just stick to booing.
I didn’t say anything about cheering. I’d be clapping, but hey, that’s me
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, same thing to me. But you’re right, I’ll clap for some players I like in general, and it’s far more subtle than a cheer haha.
I also feel that booing is too malicious these days. Rather than boo Avery, why not make an off-hand comment about his affinity for fashion? His fervor for hipsterism?
Those things are funny
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Jagr will get booed as soon as he steps on the ice. That’s a fact.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Nov 22, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
and that’s very sad
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
When Jagr goes back to Pittsburgh for the first time, I expect them to give him a standing ovation.
Given the way teh internetz blew up when he signed with us this summer, I doubt this.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I agree with everything about the live game experience that you said, and they are all reasons I consider not renewing tickets every year. The WC was really the only reason I renewed this year.
And yeah, I just watch the game differently than a lot of people, which is fine and what I would expect given we have different backgrounds in the sport. It’s another reason why I got sick of constantly defending my Mez grading last year.
When Mario beat cancer and came back, that deserved a standing ovation, and he got one.
Cindy coming back from a concussion does not.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Nov 22, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
No, even watching at home (since I’m very rarely there in person), I want to watch the game, not type and read comments. So you only see me on before a game, during intermission, or when the game isn’t on tv for me and I’m at my desk procrastinating on hw.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I like coming on to bitch or snark, though. It helps especially when the team is losing to comiserate. Sometimes folks do go too far. I just ignore them.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
But you know which posters are going to give you ignore-worthy material. Just skip over them.
I just swear a lot and make dumb movie references when I’m not devil’s advocating. I should probably go back to skipping threads.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Yeah, that’s when I can ignore, when I know who I have no interest in or knowing who I’m better off ignoring. The problem is there are so many people that just post on game threads who I’m not familiar with that I’ll probably miss the rest of the season with arguments.
idk i hate crosby with a passion since he said something like richards is pansy and then when richards challenged him he ran. that doesnt mean im not a fan of the sport. sidney crosby to me is like allen iverson, hes talented but hes a big ol douche and it stops me from wanting to watch him play nor ever care if he breaks records
1. I said most, not all.
2. If you let petty things like that get in the way of being able to appreciate one of the best players in the game I question your fandom of the sport as a whole, just my opinion. Don’t get me wrong, I curse his name every time the Flyers play him, at the Olympics, etc., but the guy is really amazing, and I don’t let chirping get in the way of that. I guess I appreciate skills for skills, it’s not like I’m looking for a drinking buddy when I’m watching hockey players.
1 i know but its still a generality
2 just because someone doesnt like sydney crosby, it doesnt mean they dont enjoy hockey. just cause i think ferraris and lambos are overated hunks doesnt mean i dont appreciate real driving machines. its all a matter of preference, he can have all the skill in the world but with his attitude i cant respect it
1. It’s a carefully stated one, and one I believe in. And I don’t expect the people I’m talking about to agree with me
2. That analogy misses the point. A better analogy would you don’t appreciate the engineering of a Lambo because you don’t like the paint color. You don’t like his attitude, which keeps you from appreciating his skill. I think Corey Perry is a horrible human being, and I hate him possibly more than any other player, but when I watch the Ducks, I still appreciate him for his talent and don’t wish him to get hurt and his career to be done.
I think you missed a key thing I’m responding to in the original post I replied to:
and most of us really don’t care that he is back and some of us are secretly hoping he gets hurt again.To not want one of the best players back on the ice is, to me, not being a fan of the sport. The people wanting him to get hurt again are the ones I’m referring to; most of them aren’t fans of the sport, or if they are, are just complete morons blinded by petty rage.
still a broad brush
the engineering of a lambo isnt that great awd is not a purist/sports car…so there you go im a fan of hockey and players who have skill and the right attitude. i dont appreciate what he brings to the sport because he makes it a 3 ring circus and from my recollection hasnt asked them to stop. 12 straight stories on nhl.com this morning 10 months of every single hockey show having his status as a headline. its a mockery. there are 29 other teams with some phenominal players. maybe when he grows up a little doesnt have his “im the best” attitude ill appreciate him. hockey still happens without crosby
the engineering of a lambo isnt that great awd is not a purist/sports car
It’s an analogy, I like Aston Martin’s who the fuck cares, you mentioned a Lambo, I rolled with it to make it applicable to this case.
i dont appreciate what he brings to the sport because he makes it a 3 ring circus and from my recollection hasnt asked them to stop.
That’s laughable as a reason, seriously hilarious. It is part of his job to sell the sport (which I doubt he went out and asked for, his skill and marketability requires it), and if I’m sick of reading/hearing about him, it’s pretty damn easy to read something or watch something else. And it doesn’t address me viewing people that want him hurt again as being, for the most part, not fans of the sport.
it
s a mockery. there are 29 other teams with some phenominal players.It’s not Crosby that is covering himself, it’s the media. I’m literally laughing at my desk reading this as a reason. Crosby doesn’t write stories about himself, and how many great players go “hey, don’t cover me any more”, to the media. As a fan of the sport I hope the coverage pays off because I’d like to see it grow this year with the NBA lockout. I don’t care that much about the coverage of Crosby, but it’s not for me and I’m smart enough to recognize that fact and skip over those things.
it wasnt really applicable due to the fact you trivialized it to the point where it would fit your argument. what u said would better be an analogy for if i didnt like him because hes a penguin, which isnt the case.
glad i could brighten your day:) ahh what he brings to this sport…like bandwagon fans , the same people who enjoy shootouts.people who have never heard of orr, maurice richards, howe, etc .he could easily shift focus off of him by talking about other players and not which hat he decided to wear this year…how many other players besides ovechkin have gotten this kind of coverage? i mean i wasnt alive its gretzkys hay day but if there was a great ones bowel movement watch id like to know.
So if Giroux was receiving Crosby/Ovechkin coverage would you complain?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Then focus on your problem, the media and NHL marketing. Just because the media focuses on Crosby or Ovechkin, doesn’t mean they are the problem. The problem is that the game isn’t that strong of a product compared to the other big 3 and that the NHL isn’t creative enough to market it other than hanging on a few guys nuts.
No I changed it to be pertinent. You don’t like something that is superficial to what the object is meant for. A high performance car is meant to perform, not to look pretty. A highly regarded hockey player is meant to have a superior skill set that provides entertainment on ice, not to make you like him as a person (which I’m sure you were entertained during the Richards thing and screaming at the TV, he gave you an antagonist, there is entertainment value in that).
ahh what he brings to this sport…like bandwagon fans , the same people who enjoy shootouts.
Like revenue dollarsthat can be shared so there is less team movement, like more TV coverage so I can watch more NHL games without having to pay for Center Ice, like new people to talk about the game, like going to an out of town bar and not being told they don’t put hockey games on the TV if other sports are on…
You can be close minded, you can have a bad attitude, and you can be a snob about it; I don’t care. All of this crap has gotten off my point that you never came back and address, so let me move us back to the start.
Most people that wish Crosby would get hurt again aren’t fans of the sport; with the added note, that they may be a fan of the sport but haven’t evolved enough to be able to properly handle anger and frustration involved from watching sports.
your analogy wasnt pertinent because i was talking about action not color or team.you want a high performing car buy an 86 honda and drop a gsr motor in it , doesnt make it a good car.(thats the analogy of crosby b4 the car talk makes your head explode hey im gonna be the bigger guy and not throw insults around you do as you see fit but im not the one saying any one who doesnt agree with me that crosby is one of the best and is the best thing for the sport is close minded and a snob is a bit of a close minded way to think, the game shouldnt need a golden boy propped up by bettman to grow. the problem with this formula is god forbid what happens when?if sidny does go the way of lindros or priemeu and has a career ending concusion…there goes all the bandwagon fans, its like a fan bubble. i dont think the nhl needs crosby nor these"new fans" who only can talk about him. thats my opinion, you have yours just because they are different doesnt make them wrong..or snobbish and closeminded
That’s fine, but that was never my point, my point was that people who hope Crosby gets hurt aren’t real fans. You clearly have a problem with the way the NHL market itself, so do I, but I don’t place that blame on Crosby, but why don’t you stick to address my main point that you coimmented on rather than continuing the tangent.the game shouldnt need a golden boy propped up by bettman to grow.
Sorry the analogy is over your head, it’s between superficial and pertinent; you brought up cars so I rolled with it to focus on what is superficial versus what is pertinent.
Sorry, but:
ahh what he brings to this sport…like bandwagon fans , the same people who enjoy shootouts.That is you being close minded and snobbish. You want to say I generalize, if that isn’t a ridiculously close minded and snobbish generalization of what fans Crosby can attract to the sport than I don’t know what is. You also give them no credit to grow as fans. If Crosby gets them interested in the sport, and they grow as fans from there, that’s a plus.
its not over my head at all it wasnt the right analogy at least not for what i was actually saying actions arnt superficial. wow he can skate shoot and score…so can alot of other players and they do it with less whining and diving..i have no reason to give fans who simply joined to root for crosby credit. how many crosby fans besides a handful arnt from pittsburg didnt want a seat in the arena b4 he came then he comes are the biggest fans evar!!!!!…its a joke the guy has zero class and i dont take him seriously…to answer your question on people who want hime hurt arnt real fans..i disagree there…they may be bad people for wishing pain on someone but just because your a bad person doesnt mean your not a fan of hockey
So generalizing about people who want Crosby to get hurt again is bad, but generalizing about people who like Crosby is just fine, got it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
how many crosby fans besides a handful arnt from pittsburg didnt want a seat in the arena b4 he came then he comes are the biggest fans evar!!!!!
I’d address this, but I can’t decipher what you are saying…
I’m sure Crosby has attracted fans to the sport that don’t live in Pittsburgh, and I’m sure there are people more educated in marketing than I that can show why they heavily market certain players and teams (I’m sure there is a reason the Flyers are playing in a 2nd WC already).
Bullshit, whatever. Still a double standard.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
seeing as i can only speak for my self my exp while in penguin country and talking hockey any one my age (22) they cant name very many players not named lemiux and jagr from b4 crosby…same deal with capitals fans and ovechkin
So you can only speak to one city regarding Crosby (and just your personal experience), which isn’t even my main focus of attracting new fans to the sport. I’m talking country/world wide, not Pittsburgh centric.
Also, you’re small experience works as a joke to give people shit and may relate to internet trolls, but is hardly representative of their fanbase as a whole.
We have a pretty big difference of opinion as to what qualifies as substance.
well seing as its his teams city i would make my opinion where the most fans would be wouldnt I… how many crosby fans are there in lets say dayton ohio or iowa or some town where there wouldnt be a good sample size
The handful of fans you have exchanges with isn’t a big sample size either, and then you are generalizing from there. But when I say things are positive for the game, I don’t mean for a particular city, I mean the entire NHL. Having marketable, highly skilled, high profile players helps draw in fans to a sport in general. Put any skilled and successful team out in Pittsburgh and the fans would go, replace Crosby and Malkin with the Sedins; maybe you now bitch about them, who knows. Either way Crosby is probably still more marketable, at least in the North American market for hockey as a whole, and I would still be saying that’s a good thing. I don’t care about Pittsburgh, I care about the sport as a whole, and if Crosby helps to sell the sport I love, then I’m happy about it.
well ive helped draw this way off topic and i apologize..im sorry i just cant respect nor care about the guy nor would i put him up with the best yet…hes not the only one..i felt the same way about jagr up until i heard interviews recently where he didnt have as big an ego like he did b4 he left for russia
That’s fine, you are totally entitled to have that opinion of a player, I’m not trying to say like him. I just like to point out that these opinions are often fueled more so by the uniform a player wears than who the player is.
But the thing with Jagr is a good example, why are you seeing now that he has less of an ego? Maybe he was like that when in NY but you never sought out or read anything about him as a person or his attitude. But now he is in Orange and Black and you look for things to find endearing about him. Just one of those things I find fascinating. Don’t get me wrong I hate Crosby every time he laces up against a team I’m cheering for, but hell if I didn’t watch highlights of him last night and go damn, fucking lottery pick, if only the Flyers won that lottery that guy is amazing.
actions arnt superficial
In fairness you provided his chirp to Richards and the Media and Marketing focusing on him as your reasons not to like him; those are superficial, not meaningfu, actions
However, if you want to say you don’t take him seriously because he whines, dives, chirps, or has done something dirty, that’s fine, but then you must not take at least 50% of NHL players seriously. However, I’m guessing you you probably don’t use the same set of standards because he is the enemy, and is incapable of growing past the things he did the first couple years he was in the league.
i said his trash talk then his action of running from richards when he had a chance to back it up…his constant diving and whining were taken into account but since his name is synonomous(sic) with that i figured it was given
Yeah Crosby is definitely the only player to ever chirp someone, (still waiting on the quote from you) and not back it up. That literally happens ever game on the ice.
His constant diving and whining are only synonymous with people who still have the image of him when he first came in to the league burned in their brain. Whatever, I get it, it sucked, I complained as much as anyone, but I can also recognize the change in the way he carries himself on the ice.
It’s okay, you have Crosby standards fueled by a rivalry, and then separate standards for everyone else. Embrace it, I’m just pointing out the inherent flaw in the logic; but being a fan of a team involves disregarding logic at times.
And I’m just pointing out his hypocrisy and double standard.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW61P5D6Mgo
wasnt super long ago and he had been in the leauge what 4 years and it was in the finals….his refusal to shake hands as the winner also irks the hell out of me and makes me not respect nor care wether he plays or not
Psst, my point is you have a double standard. I know Crosby does shit that pisses people off because it pisses me off to; I just recognize that it happens with other players as well.
looking at your links the first one i remember saying wow what a disgrace this is the scf, the second i missed but that was a huge embellishment event though it was obvious highsticking, he didnt need to embellish for any1 to now that stick was high
Yeah, it’s just players do that a lot. Pronger embelished a hit he felt was high to the head against the Coyotes late in the 3rd. He went to the ice grabbed his head, saw there was no call, skated over to the ref as the play was moving forward and yapped at him for 10 seconds. That was both diving and whining.
I guess my point is, you’ll probably hate a majority of the league if you don’t let some stuff go, and maybe you do, who knows. But then that’s not you picking out Crosby and having a double standard, it’s just you hating stuff that irks you and holding it against everyone that does it; which is a majority of the league. But then at that point, I wonder why you watch.
Not sure if there is video, I was at the game, it happen at the end of the ice I sit at, and it was behind the play.
More over, the fact that you want to judge him based on this one play is more to what I don’t understand. If you are going to dislike players that ever do this type of stuff, you are going to dislike most of the league, which at some point you have to ask yourself, why do I watch them play?
FWIW I thought the hit was high too, but Pronger went down to draw attention to it, popped right back up, then skated over tot he ref to “talk” while play was going on.
well he shouldnt have and my judgement is he was being exactly what he speaks out about, if it happens on a regular basis then yeah i lose respect for him
You keep complaining about Crosby doing things that other players also do. Do you hate them all?
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I would argue that Crosby shows respect for the sport on a regular basis outside of his first couple of season, and that incidents like you linked to are more rare than not. But I don’t see 82+ Pens games a year, maybe 20 or so, so i can’t speak to that with any proof, just guessing from what i see.
Not at all, I’m trying to recall. What made me notice was how he spoke to officials at games, it changed. He went from acting like a kid (and that’s not even meant as an insult, it’s not like 18 is far removed from being a kid) to handling the situation more like an adult; having a conversation rather than just screaming. I want to say it was during his 3rd season.
That said, he isn’t without fault since then, but I don’t see him as any worse than the average NHL player with that type of stuff. In fact I think I’ve come to appreciate the amount of pest that is in his game at his skill level.
Honestly, and this sounds like I’m being funny but I fucking hate his face. I respect him as a player and I know he’s one of the best out there but I hate his goddamned face.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
No. I was thinking about this yesterday. I don’t wish the guy gets hurt. I wish that he forgets how to play so well. Also, I’d love to see him crushed, open ice, shoulder to chest, I mean just get nailed completely legally and get up with nothing worse than some soreness the next day.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well yeah, that’s totally fine.
Though I don’t want to see his skill go away, then what’s the point of him. He’s entertaining because of his skill set, and he is also entertaining because he provides this city with a bad guy they can bitch about. I prefer to focus on the skill, but I still mutter curses every time he lights up the Flyers.
If he was in Columbus, I don’t think anybody would care.
My non-sequitor two cents.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
If he was in Columbus, he would suck.
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by LeepinLizardz on Nov 22, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I think there’s plenty of people to hate for actual reasons. I just hate Crosby for bad ones and I don’t care. I don’t care to ever watch Penguins games if they aren’t playing the Flyers so I’m not entertained. Yeah, I would probably like him if he were say in Colorado or Anaheim or Vancouver or even in …Ok I can’t think of an East team that I would still root for him on…maybe NYI. But he’s not and won’t ever be probably so fuck him and his stupid face.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 22, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
His taint punching incident was what made me hate him. A candy-ass maneuver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wqR17KrLKw
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M there is also a big genetic factor you are ignoring here in this. Given Eric’s brother career was also ended by concussions I don’t you can simply compare Lindros to Crosby in terms of recovery from these issues. Concussions aside Lindros also missed an entire playoff with a blowout knee as well then the collapsed lung and wrist injury while with Toronto and more concussions while in New York. As great as the big E was he was extremely injury prone.
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Genetics aside if they would have approached any of his concusions in the way they have dealt with crosbys I’m sure it would have made a difference. There have been reports and stories about him seeing double and vomiting only to be called a sissy and sent immediately back into the games. That’s just friggin wrong. When he collapsed the lung they said well take an ice bath at the hotel and you should feel better tomorrow. The flyers screwed the dude after rebuilding they’re failing franchise on his back.
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by MJDII on Nov 22, 2011 12:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gustafsson was placed on long-term injury, while forward Harry Zolnierczyk was assigned to Trenton. Those two moves freed up $1.8 million in salary cap space to allow for Marshall and Bourdon to join the roster.
Bourdon’s cap hit is $875,000, while Marshal’s is $845,833.
"We’re just parking Harry there for a little while," Holmgren said. "It’s due to our roster numbers and not our cap."
Hmm was it necessary to put Gus on LTIR? Can’t be bothered doing the cap numbers right now so if it was necessary just say so and I’ll accept it.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 22, 2011 6:18 AM EST reply actions
Their bonus penalty next year is shaping up to be a whopper.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Joke?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I thought so from you, but had to be sure.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Random Question: How many draft picks must become legitimate NHLers in order for that individual draft to be considered a success?
by OrangeNblacK on Nov 22, 2011 6:58 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
5
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by MJDII on Nov 22, 2011 8:48 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
4.7289
Or, what M said.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Where does that number come from? Isn’t that too simplistic? Doesn’t quality change things a bit? Like the Caps in 2004, they got Ovechkin, Green, and Schultz. Regardless of whether they got another 2 players, I’d consider that a success just based on how important those players have been to the team.
Please, call me F&B.
Rob, thats not about Crosby on what seems to be Sidney-Day, thus I am confused.
(sarcasm aside you bring up valid points.)
My question is this: your talking 5 picks total, not 5 picks per team, right?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Yeah, it seems like getting 5 eventual NHLers every year isn’t successful, its astranomical. Where 5 for the whole draft seems low, so I don’t know how to read it if people were being serious.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Maybe the clue is Geoffs sarcasm font? :P
by Anders Jensen on Nov 22, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
That, plus the ridiculous decimals were an attempt to joke about a magic formula I created.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I just thought since you both came in right about 5 there might have been some previous article I missed.
Please, call me F&B.
I was being totally sarcastic by the way.
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by MJDII on Nov 22, 2011 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would be 7.30
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
What’s a draft?
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I don’t know what the stats say but the Flyers simply got outworked last night.
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Not outworked, outclassed.
Flyers dressed 5 rookies, two of which played their first-ever NHL games on little rest.
Flyers dressed Shelley and Rinaldo for 6 shifts/ 4:14 TOI and 7 shifts/ 3:33 TOI, respectively. Couturier had 11 shifts/ 6:44 TOI. Essentially these three played 1/4 of one period leaving the other 3 lines to pick up the rest. That’s a pretty short bench.
Flyers dressed the #7, #8, #9 D-men and they played 14-16 minutes each. They probably got as much as they could expect from Marshall and Bourdon, but Lilja seemed fortunate to be playing against a team vying for last in the conference. In a footrace between Lilja and Shelley I’m not sure who to pick. Both of them really need to be gone.
Bryz’ .871 SV& last night was, well, unhelpful. I guess asking him to make two more saves is too much.
In short, one cannot make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. This will likely be a rough week.
im still asking my self why scooter was on the fourth line in stead of nodle AND jody shelley was on the ice down 2 goals in the 3rd
Would you have Nodl playing center on that line?
I would think Talbot would be the one to drop to the fourth line if Couturier moved up.
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Some people just can’t resist getting in a zinger at Philly…..how often do you actually see anything like this at the WFC?
I'm kind of a dick.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 22, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but i died when i read this
from Paul Bissonnette’s twitter
Lady walks up to me while I’m at dinner tonight and says “my condolences for your loss tomorrow.” Now that’s a sports town haha. #Philly
pretty much describes the Philly fan bases
The article on the video coach was really neat. Thanks for linking it (I don’t read philly.com otherwise so I wouldn’t have seen it). I wonder if it was Patterson’s idea to play the trap that way in Tampa Bay?
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No problem. That’s a good example of why I like Seravalli so much. He writes stories nobody else writes, getting away from the monotony of “how can I write about quotes every other beat writer has?”
As far as Tampa Bay game… I don’t know. I’m sure he and Laviolette talked about it at least.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Frankie ’Valli is the bestest.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 22, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I just give him a ton of respect for being unique in a crowded field of drones.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
If any of you have a print copy of today’s NYT, you might be able to spot a familiar name in there…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 22, 2011 11:44 AM EST reply actions
I can only get the online and I see a lot of familiar names. I’ll at least need a hint.
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Rhymes with Wen Zothenberg.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 22, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
So wait, you’ve been running the tennis blog there since August? Have you mentioned that here before?
Is this your first time in print?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
He must have mentioned it because M kept asking for hot tennis player of the week pictures around here.
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That’s because he’s been running SBN Tennis for a while.
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I think it’s my first time in their print, but honestly I’m not sure because it’s so small that I could have missed something before. But yeah, I’ve been writing for them since August, haven’t done much tennis stuff for SBN since.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 22, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
He's mainstream!
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by boknows71 on Nov 22, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lys Assia?
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by Chemistry66 on Nov 22, 2011 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is it Paul Krugman’s day in the Op-Ed pages?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Keynesian economics! Old School!
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's reported bloat-signing
Haha, yeah, I much prefer proven economic theories like…um…trickle-down economics?
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so OT but staal has been said to be playing terrible, along with ovechkin datsyuk…statistically like corsi ,or what u stat guys use, are they horrible this year or is it percieved?
Staal: 2nd/12 of forwards on his team in Corsi Rel (Team is far better with him on the ice than off as far as possession goes), plays the toughest competition with the 3rd easiest zone starts. Everyone on the team outside of Skinner’s line is having shit luck shooting, and he is getting very unlucky with Sv% as well.
Datsyuk: Leads his team in Corsi rel, faces the 4th toughest comp on his team witht he 5th highest zone starts. He is having horrible luck both with shooting and save %.
Ovechkin: His competition and zone starts are middle of the road. He is 3rd on the team in Corsi Rel and is getting absolutely horrible luck shooting and save % behind him.
So yeah most of it seems to be luck driven.
by DLJr on Nov 22, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To put it more simply, they’ve all played against 2nd liners or better, they aren’t being sheltered (at least significantly), and they are all the best (within top 3) players on their teams at winning the shots directed at the net battle. The issues seem to be from points, and if you look at their team’s on ice shooting % and save %, they are getting really unlucky.
by DLJr on Nov 22, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks ive heard so much about how staal and ovechkin being bad now i was pretty sure it was just unlucky ness though
I’m still waiting for someone to say the magic words.
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by Cillo stache on Nov 22, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
There isn’t enough stat talk today. Though maybe someone will say watch the games since I answered the Staal/Datsyuk/OV question.
No, all we’re getting is Crosby talk. ugh.
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.
Which I just realized was a great opportunity to reference the “Joy Boner” from the Daily Show last week, but now it’s too late, I’ve missed my chance…
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#Flyers have activated (F) Brayden Schenn from IR & loaned him & (D) Kevin Marshall to ADK & recalled Harry Zolnierczyk from Trenton (ECHL)
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IT'S TEBOW TIME!
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But not Bourdon? Fascinating.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well, he looked like he played the better of the two last night. I’m sure it’s just until either Coburn or Pronger gets back and they call Schenn up.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yeah, I agree too. The only thing I have is that Bourdon is a better partner for Lilja than Marshall. Definitely don’t want two slow-footed defenders with weak stick skills on the same pairing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Marshall is far from being slow, his closing speed and angles I thought were particularly impressive, though his hands could definitely use work. I thought the only bad thing outside of his dependence on his partner to move the puck up ice is that he seemed to get indecisive a couple of times, and then got beat, those were the only “slow footed” moments I noticed, and that’s not being slow footed, that’s a lack of confidence IMO. Bourdon on the other hand seemed to constantly misplay his angles, but moved the puck with a lot more confidence.
I agree with the fit with Lilja however, need a guy that isn’t going to look up ice, second guess himself, and throw it to his partner.
Are you saying we need to start a campaign to improve Marshall’s confidence? Is that all he’s lacking?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Stop trivializing. No, I think those types of mistakes are things you’ll see less of as he gets more opportunities at this level.
Did you even bother to read my entire comment? Use your eyes to read Detweiler:
Is that all he’s lacking?
…though his hands could definitely use work. I thought the only bad thing outside of his dependence on his partner to move the puck up ice…I could go on about some other things, but they are unrealistic as it doesn’t seem to fit the type of player he is.
I just find it funny that you thought Bourdon to be the better skater of the two. To my eyes, not only does he make himself slower by not using his body and playing angles effectively, he is also visibly slower and shows less balance.
I make one joke about two guys only 5 people care about, and you get all Detweiler-y on me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Games are going to take so much longer now, given that we have to standing-O every opposing player that ever played through injury.
Fucking hockey has turned into ass fucking.
I'm kind of a dick.
Serious question: You realize the Penguins played in Pittsburgh last night?
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