Wednesday Morning Fly By: NHL.com Headline Tomorrow Better Be "Welcome Back JJ"
by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 5:56 AM EST
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...
- In case you missed it, the Flyers' "Energy Line" got owned by Carolina right after the team had pulled to within one. A video breakdown: [SB Nation Philly]
- Jaromir Jagr hopes to play tonight: [CSNPhilly] [Frequent Flyers] [Philly Sports Daily] [Inquirer]
- Matt Read is an early front-runner for the Calder: [NHL.com]
- The Flyers are a tough team to figure out right now: [The Checking Line]
- But the offseason upheaval hasn't slowed down the Flyers or Panthers so far: [Off The Post]
- This article is being linked because of how cliche and short-sighted it is. Ilya Bryzgalov goes six straight games giving up 2 or fewer goals, but as soon as he gives up 4, he is "overwhelmed by the contract and the expectations" and "it is obvious bad stuff is going though the goalie’s brain". Give it up, Jay: [CSNPhilly]
- Ed Snider opened another youth hockey rink in the city: [Daily News]
- Eric Lindros and Bobby Clarke have settled their feud, or at least mutually agreed to move on: [Inquirer]
- Marc-Andre Bourdon became the 474th ECHL player to reach the NHL, but who's counting? [The ECHL]
- Niko Hovinen stopped 21 of 24 shots in a 3-2 loss: [euroflyers]
- Jakub Kovar stopped 30 of 33 shots in a 3-0 loss: [euroflyers]
- Debating heavyweight fighters in the NHL isn't something we've done in awhile. Maybe this point/counterpoint will start that again: [Flyers Faithful]
- The Predators placed Niclas Bergfors on waivers. I'm intrigued, even though the Flyers can't claim him: [On the Forecheck]
- Kyle Turris finally caved to Phoenix's demands, signing for $2.8 million over two years: [Puck Daddy]
- Summarizing the deeper look at AHL translations, using some examples from this season: [Hockey Prospectus]
- Lindros. Primeau. Crosby. They have a lot in common, however uncomfortable that makes you. [The New York Times]
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Turris’ unbelievable holdout not only did himself damage, but Phoenix as well. Their former 3rd overall pick isn’t worth much on the trade market now and his contract is indicative of that fall in value. If Phoenix really needs to trade Turris (I’m sure they want to, but they probably can’t until his play improves), they won’t get nearly what they would’ve even six months ago.
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Wednesday Morning Fly By: NHL.com Headline Tomorrow Better Be “Welcome Back JJ”
I don’t get what you’re trying to imply with this…
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 23, 2011 7:09 AM EST reply actions
We were all bitching about Crosby being all over NHL.com for returning so Geoff is being a dick and “bitching” that tomorrow NHL.com better be all about Jaromir Jagr if he plays tonight.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
1. Jim Jackson had laryngitis, the fourth broadcaster this year to suffer from the dreaded “upper body” injury. The league is looking into measures to better protect broadcasters, such as mandatory tea and honey during intermission or heated neck mufflers for overtime games. There is even a rumor that teams will be forced to anglicize the names of players of Eastern European descent to reduce vocal stress. Some former play-by-play men claim it’s long overdue, others worry that it will remove an essential element of the game. Some were unwilling to be quoted for this article. Others were unable.
2. Further depletion of the defense has forced the Flyers to bring Daigneault out of retirement.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 23, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
3. The team was unable to welcome back Kotter due to cap mismanagement.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 23, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
The Checking Line article expresses my emotions regarding this team
Everything is brand new, and while it doesn’t offer a fantastic end goal that everyone can agree on, it provides a focus on the present.
Each game seems to be isolated from the last. No one can bank on the performance. No one can bank on the lineup. Everything is up in the air, and everyone who follows the team is up there with it.
Maybe the focus on the present is why it’s felt pretty fun throughout (maybe winning’s helped too).
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 23, 2011 7:12 AM EST reply actions
First day of break!
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Read, Rinaldo and Sestito Flyercrushes until his return
::glares:: I have a half day today. Which is crap. Like I’m gonna get my students to do anything.
It's a new season, and I'm damned excited! ecnewman on flyersfaithful.com
I’m supposed to work a full day today. Even my boss doesn’t expect that will actually happen.
Bob.
by The Dark on Nov 23, 2011 8:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Half days and two hour early dismissals are jolly miserable. Two hour delay would be delightful, rather that than have two hours at the end
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Read, Rinaldo and Sestito Flyercrushes until his return
by Cillo stache on Nov 23, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I appreciate stabs
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Read, Rinaldo and Sestito Flyercrushes until his return
by Cillo stache on Nov 23, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Does watching “Big” at work on netflix count as a meeting?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
It depends, did you draft up some toy mock ups while you watched?
Normally I’d be more pissed off, but they were surprisingly successful and productive meetings.
Thats a good idea. No I haven’t.
I may mock up a “Have a Merry Movember” card…
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I finally reach $100 in donations, but when $25 of it is from yourself it’s a little depressing. I’m contemplating going to one of the parties this year, most likely the one in DC if I decide to go to one.
have you tried other routes of fundraising? Up at State they used to have a sorority run Ice Follies, which had Sororities play Sororities and Fraternities play fraternities/other groups of dudes in a game of broomball on the ice. It always ended in shenanigans, with malicious verbal assaults being exchanges (one did called me fat while i was in net. I called him a rather unpleasant name in return), and the kids with cancer was the last thing in mind, yet there was thousands of dollars raised by way of entry money with teams.
Have you thought about potentially having a corporate sponsored hockey tourney one weekend, featuring pub teams from around the area, with proceeds going towards your fundraiser, and your hockey shop guys offering to do jersey work for free as long as the materials are provided by the team themselves?
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, I’ve only done big time fundraising once, and it definitely paid off. Unfortunately it’s extremely time consuming and I really didn’t organize myself for it. I’ve resorted to social media, email, friends etc. I’ve figured out my friends kind of suck. I mean you would think Geoff would have at least thrown a $1 my way for all the times I’ve translated him out of trouble…
/guilt, the best fundraising tactic I have left at my disposal.
What I’ve found is to take nearly illegal things and do them in the name of charity. Gambling? Do it in the name of charity. Drinking? Do it in the name of charity.
Now if they ever had a beerfest of sorts in the name of charity, now that would raise some serious cash
Guilt also works too
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll throw you a nickel.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a one dollar minimum. I’ll give you a nickel when I see you :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Jeeze Detweiler, just cough up the extra 95 cents.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I might actually punch you
You made him a tax-deductible offer he couldn’t refuse.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 23, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I sent $28, both to become the highest contributor and in honor of Giroux.
Anyone gonna go to $44? $68? $88?
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I will try next year Don. I can send you my support ’stache, but unfortunatly I had to put myself about $5,000 more in debt this month. I now owe just about everyone that cares about me money. :(
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
No worries. Honestly I just like getting asked about it in work and raising some awareness about it in general. I don’t care if people donate money or time, it’s just my favorite charity and raising awareness is just as big a part of it as the money.
So anything is appreciated.
Plus my “moustache” drives my future mother in law nuts, so an extra bonus there.
Eric master of chemistry, hockey stats, and fundraising; is there anything that man can’t do…
Also, thank you!
You’re welcome! Actually I was inspired by the annoyance of in-laws moreso than Eric’s challenge, but $41 is $41 either way. And to recognize Holan’s #41 rather than Mez’ #41.
It’s the first 41 that came to my mind outside of Alberts (I assumed you were going for a player not on the current roster). I hadn’t looked at the message you had left yet, Burke was just the first player that popped in to my head.
a bit off topic, but what are the odds of building from scratch that jagr jersey that i want from scratch using your jersey guys? And yes, this is relevant to Movember
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
What jersey guys, the guys I use to letter a jersey? I’ve never had them crest a jersey before. You would still need to find an authentic blank jersey of that style. The cost up from that is honestly not that bad. They are relatively inexpensive, but it’s not expensive work to begin with.
alright
back to original more important topic of fundraising
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Some comedians I work with do charity shows to raise money for various people in need. The group is called Comedians For A Cause. If you’re interested, you can contact them via facebook here.
What are you trying to raise money for, and where is the link?
While I might not be the most popular guy here at BSH, I am a national touring comedian, plus I was on 94WYSP here in Philly for a while. I have a pretty big platform that reaches a good number of people.
It’s almost over \. It a fairly large thing just for the month of November, it’s the reason Giroux and Voraceck look ridiculous; for Prostate and Testicular Cancer. The link to the Movember page is in my signature.
The link you gave me I’ll make use of for some of the larger things I do/help out with so I appreciate the resource.
Yeah, we have a meeting scheduled for 3…when I’m told that they’ve shut down the office at noon every year previous.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I just got home from college. Driving in pouring rain sucks.
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
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by Chemistry66 on Nov 23, 2011 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Has there ever been an analysis done of college players and rookie 'walls' over the league?
I know we have the JVR example handy, and I think Blake Wheeler comes to mind. But when evaluating Read it would be interesting to know how common the wall is and what probability it is that a college player ‘escapes’ the wall. Although I guess if you consider ‘the wall’ to be a physiological process there’s no escaping it…
Essentially I think that’s going to dash his Calder hopes. The Calder is subjective and if he hits a wall at the end of the season he’s probably going to miss out in the face of talents like RNH who are a bit more prepared for the length of the NHL season. I know Bob McKenzie disagrees, but Schenn is (was??) our best chance at the Calder this year. Couturier wouldn’t get the minutes or points because of his majority defensive assignments; the worry with Read is ‘the wall’; but Schenn has the chance to take on decent defensive assignments while putting up points.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 23, 2011 7:22 AM EST reply actions
Women always have trouble with the wall…they can never find the door.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
I beg to differ
If Brzy doesn't do right by Bob I'll kick his $51 million ass across the WFC.
And yes, I'm a female redhead.
It was a Simpsons quote.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
What happened, they don’t like the album?
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Lindros, does anybody know if ye olde NHL shop will allow you to customize blank winter classic jerseys with retired players who are in the alumni game, such as Lindros? Or would it not matter anyway since he retired when he was playing with Dallas?
I heard on the radio this morning that Mitchell & Ness will be making Lindros WC jerseys, if you feel like pony-ing up some coin. Didn’t mention price or anything.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Man, that was an awful interview this morning.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Casey went way beyond creep-level. It was really tough to listen to.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Let the guy you’re interviewing talk more than you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
“Hey Eric, are you friends with Scott Stevens now?”
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t add this as a bullet lest someone yell at me to “let it go!”, but:
Mike Richards scored a goal and an assist last night, giving him 9 goals and 9 assists in 21 games. It was also his 7th goal in his last 7 games.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions
it’s not a given that he’d have the same point totals…
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s obvious. But there was another story today talking about how much production the Flyers got out of their rookies v. how much Leino, Carter, and Richards have scored so far.
What those articles like to gloss over is a) Carter’s injury; and b) How good Richards has been
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
And c) that the team didn’t really have the option to keep Leino, given his salary demands and their cap situation.
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Watching him play last night was exciting and depressing at the same time. It looked like to me he was operating very well within their system, and not trying to do it all himself. That kind of playing may lead to less individual heroics, but he might be able to put up more points in a season on the KIngs than he did here.
Often wrong, but never in doubt.
by A Flyers Phamily on Nov 23, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, people were actually arguing that we were currently better off with what we got in return than Richards?
Perhaps I’m a bit naive today, and this is coming from a person who believes the trade isn’t a winner today, but will be in the future
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Not really, but I’ve seen multiple reporters cite goal and point totals of the new guys and the old guys, conveniently ignoring Carter’s injury and downplaying how each player is actually contributing to their “This clump of guys v. this clump of guys” comparison.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
wait, what?
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
oh nvm, I didn’t see the “but” there
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Just an annoyance of mine.
“Hey, look at this half-assed analysis showing how the Flyers moves last season paid off! Look at those point totals!”
“Guys, they couldn’t afford Leino anyway.”
“Yeah, but look how smart it was to let him walk! And Carter, wow, only 6 points so far?”
“Yeah, he’s missed half the year so far. Don’t want to do points per game?”
“OMG point totals! That’s all I’m saying, stop reading an agenda into it, nerd.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW, i wouldn’t call you a nerd
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Aw, thanks.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not the most STAT driven person, but if I had to watch the game while hearing constantly about stats or watch the game with the Flyers fan who yells shoot constantly while on the PP, i’d rather hear stats.
that, and I don’t like a good chunk of Flyers nation, anyway
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
You and me both, man.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
and so I just drown them out with move references until they get my point on why i don’t care about Philly needing a goalie
Philly had a goalie who won the US Junior Olympics. Must have gotten lost in the system, or replaced by a cat
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Who’s that?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
the fact that you ever attribute logic above everything else in what I say means you don’t get me yet
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I’m talking to Geoff
I’m pretty sure he scans for relevance, which is why most of my comments don’t register on the Geoff-o-meter
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously. The only US goalies I remember is Boucher.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
That’s disappointing
Barrasso and Tim Thomas come to mind
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, none of those played on the Flyers.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Miller too lol
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Shut your face.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Please tell me you get it…
Think Iceland as a hockey power house. Think about a goalie from Philly who was replaced by a “cat”.
Ah. Mighty Ducks reference.
Too abstract for me. Got it now. Thanks.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Relevance
Leslie: I need a few more volunteers. Andy, will you be Iceland?
Andy: The bad guys from Mighty Ducks 2? Don’t think so.
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
That was great.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I love Andy! Hilarious!
I’ll be Germany, they’ve never been the bad guy.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
he’s becoming a more aloof, heartwarming character
love it
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Geoff, do you find it increasingly more difficult to sit at a game and hear some of the insanity come out of people’s mouths? It’s almost to the point where I don’t feel like a “real” fan anymore because I want to physically harm the guy in the Upshall jersey behind me.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Go spend some time at fangraphs. That’ll change you mind. Enough snarky smart asses is just as bad a bunch joe average fans. Either way you’ll end up in a roomful of pricks.
But Fangraphs is awesome!
(never went into the comments)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
haha, I completely do.
I was at the game where Pronger got hurt and I wanted to put the rulebook on the scoreboard to shut people up.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
And god-forbid you correct someone when they are wrong. Then YOU look like the asshole. Well, I guess you are used to that, haha.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
haha, I’m absolutely used to it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I just keep my mouth shut, those people didn’t pay money to have me correct them. They paid money to drink, watch hockey, and yell stupid shit.
I paid money to watch hockey full well knowing I’d have to put up with that stupid shit.
But why do we have to just accept that? I get that people are there to have a good time and everything. They paid their $ and can mostly do what they want. All that I ask is that they think before opening their mouths.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Trying to convince drunkards is a waste of time IMO
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
If I have to go to games to educate people who don’t want to be educated, it’s not worth for me to pay to go to the games. It’s still worth my money to go to games ignoring the shouting or at most yelling back “shut up you idiot”
Agreed. I’ve made myself look like “that guy” with my comments here and that’s not the case. I don’t correct people that say stupid things, just complain to my friends that we have to hear that kinda crap.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I usually scoffed at the people saying the stupid shit before but since I’ve been on this site I’ve had fits of rage where all I see is red. It’s really incredible what people choose to believe.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Same here. Though I don’t really post that much here, I’m always reading and chime in where I can. It has completely changed my way of thinking about the game.
Except it’s taking me what feels like a lifetime to understand Corsi.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I turned on that game right when he scored that goal.
Plus, didn’t he win every face-off that night?
Eat ‘em while they’re good and sour, haters.
His faceoffs have been incredible this season, clearly the hand injury was screwing him up last year, because he has been money at the faceoff circle this year. Not only is he winning a lot of faceoffs, but he is winning key faceoffs at important points in the game.
I’ve been able to catch almost all of the kings games and it really seems like he is put out there for any critical junctures of the game. I’m also paying specific attention to any time he is out in the ice so almost everything he does is most likely going to be magnified lol
by flyersgirl on Nov 23, 2011 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ditto, I’ve seen every Kings game this year except for one. I also attended the game at Staples vs the Stars. It seems clear to me that Murray has been leaning hard on Richards at the circle.
It’s also given me an appreciation of how good Kopitar is — that guy is a horse. Not having seen that many games last year, the Kings analysts keep saying that there’s less pressure on him now that Richards is here, but I have no basis for comparison.
I’ve been a little underwhelmed by the lack of offensive depth, but their defense is really good, especially since they realized that Slava Voynov is ready for prime time.
Definitely agree about kopitar. He’s a fun player to watch. And voynov has faired pretty well to. He definitely does not look out if place at all.
Me and my brother are making the trip out to long island for their game against the islanders in feb. Was the dallas game you went to the game that ended1-0? (Sorry to lazy to look it up myself)
by flyersgirl on Nov 23, 2011 4:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is true
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Samsies.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Gags is playing on the 1st line that has been healthy. Gags doesn’t have to do the heavy lifting on that line — Williams bird dogs, and Kopitar carries the puck a lot. Gags just picks his spots, and does his usual responsible backcheck and defensive positioning.
Richie has had a rotating group of wingers, mostly with Dustin Brown who works hard but can often be in a huge funk, Penner who seems like he was fighting a bunch of injuries and has been flat out horrible at times, Parse and currently the rookie Loktionov. In short he has to hang back frequently to insure that they don’t get beat. What he’s been doing recently is insane, in terms of the importance of the goals and assists he’s getting. The Kings have virtually no scoring from the 3rd and 4th lines.
I don't know if anyone will see this so late, but
With all due respect, I doubt anyone who’s watched all their games this season would agree.
Gizmotus has provided context. Kopi always has fantastic Corsi; now he doesn’t have to deal with the toughs anymore, and got better linemates to boot. Meanwhile Terry Murray has loaded Richards’ line up and given him wingers who are both unused to the shutdown job and frankly a poor fit for it.
But he has hardly been on the ice for any goals against, and he’s scored and assisted on an inordinate amount of game winning and game tying goals. He’s adjusting more and more to his new teammates. But they have finally given him Gagne, so I’m looking forward to that.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Richards is 5th in CorsiRelQoC, which tells me he’s facing second liners, with the 5th highest ozone start. Those aren’t the toughs he’s used to.
Factor in his team-worst -18 CorsiRel, his third-worst ozone finish and his 4th highest on-ice save percentage, and you have a guy headed for a steep regression. I’d be worried.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 28, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Re: second liners. I disagree.
I look at the shift charts after each game. His line has spent the most time against the top lines (Malkin, Kovalchuk, etc) though Kopitar will tend to get the huge centers like Thornton. In this case I find Qualcomp reflecting that more than Corsi Rel QoC after 20 or so games. It is a world where Trent Hunter has 25.5 Corsi Rel.
As a side note: do you have a minimum number of games you like as a sample for Corsi? I like 40 at least.
His possession numbers aren’t where I’d like them to be. But as I said I think he has not been given the right wingers (Brown isn’t working, he’s had a random assortment of Scott Parse, Loktionov was a rookie who shouldn’t even be playing wing, and Penner). He has still been great on special teams, a far greater impact than Gagne.
The Kings as a whole have an on ice save percentage that will go down, it’s true. But if you are surprised by a Behind the Net stat, I would think you would be interested in hearing from people who have seen what the second line has gone through.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
That’s fine. I agree that Corsi RelQoC is volatile at this point, but I still think it’s less volatile than goal scoring, and thus QualComp. Since QualComp is a world where Chris Kelly has a 3.09 +/-/60. I’ll take your word on game-by-game matchups.
My minimum amount of games for Corsi depends what I’m trying to do. 40 games is where I start to talk about big picture, but 20 games is enough for me to talk about what to expect the rest of the year, if for no one other than the outliers.
As far as your last paragraph, I’m absolutely interested in hearing people who have seen him play. I wasn’t trying to disagree with you, so much as explain why we are disappointed/worried so far.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
^By that I mean I’m not defending Qualcomp as something that’s better than Corsi Rel QoC in the short term. I don’t trust either of them in the short term, which is why I look at head to head. It is volatile along with everything else (two weeks ago his Qualcomp was .214 and his raw Corsi about 4.5). But I did notice Qualcomp tracking more closely than Corsi Rel QoC with the assignments - which isn’t to say that’d be true in the long term, or true for every team.
There are also the faceoff reports. Though Stoll is sent out for more defensive draws than ones in the offensive zone, he’s not taking the majority of the crucial matchups.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Nah, I know where to find them. I tracked his, Carter’s, and Nodl’s top-3 opponents last year. Have it in a spreadsheet, but no idea what to do with it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 30, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
As I continued:
I find it shocking that it’s as horrendously horrendous as it is right now.
I understand the context (though posted before any was given from people who watch all their games, but I can gather enough context from the numbers to satisfy most of my curiousity), Geoff offers the reason why I’m concerned and surprised by his numbers. I believe Richards has suffered some from his linemates, and would normally use that as part of the reason, but as Geoff states, it’s not like he is facing the same level tough minutes he has before, so I don’t think it’s enough to explain that god awful number. It’s just so bad that it’s shocking.
I’m impressed with Gagne based on expectation and not just based on Corsi numbers. Don’t read too much in to it other than I expected more out of Richards than I did Gagne this season. Gagne has surpassed expectations, while Richards numbers still puzzle me a bit, and I worry that as the save % lowers his numbers might not look as pretty.
Now that he does not have leadership concerns to worry about, he can finally concentrate on scoring!
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If we hadn’t already had enough spats with the MSM lately, I would’ve enjoyed turning my predict-a-narrative post into a pool where you have to guess the date each article first appears and who writes it.
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Heh, you’re thinking of the coinflip article; I meant this one.
As for the coinflip series, it’s more because there just haven’t been nearly as many predictions lately. In the off-season and pre-season there were a lot of statements about the eventual roster or the players’ production, but in-season the tweets have been more backward looking reports on what happened, which don’t make for interesting article fodder.
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I really think we should change the “Energy Line” to “Two Scrubs and a Couturier”. It seems more accurate.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I don’t like using it unless it’s in a derisive way. Showing how they killed any momentum the Flyers had was a good time to use it derisively, in my opinion.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Understood but being as that, that line sucks 99% of the time, I feel as though it should have a name that bears that out.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I can get behind this.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
If we had baseball stats, I’d suggest “The Peace Line,” because they have no WAR.
Bob.
by The Dark on Nov 23, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Your kind indulgence to start the day...
Over 42 million Americans will be traveling on a trip of more than 50 miles this holiday weekend, 90% by car, 8% by plane, 2% by train/ bus/ watercraft/ other. Some will use more than one of these means. Be sure to check and maintain fluid levels and tire pressure and allow adequate time to account for heavy traffic. I exhort all those who are doing so to drive carefully, attentively, and safely. To paraphrase James Dean, the life you save may be that of a BSH member. Enjoy!
a good chunk of driving for me to do on thanksgiving day. I’m excited
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Fascinating.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just curious, but writers do still have to go to school for their craft or do they really just let anyone who can put words together in the form of a sentence get a job as a “writer”? Some of these articles, and not just those linked here, but just about anywhere you read, the articles are written by people who would in my opinion be looked at as an embarrassment by some of the great writers of history.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
This and editing. It’s like proofreading is a lost art.
If Brzy doesn't do right by Bob I'll kick his $51 million ass across the WFC.
And yes, I'm a female redhead.
All that anyone is concerned with anymore is eyeballs. It doesn’t matter what the quality of the material is — only that it attracts an audience.
As for “schooling” at least for this type of writing, the market for graduates with a fresh degree in journalism is non-existent these days. Craigslist has more or less decimated the primary revenue stream, and in terms of the web, the amount of advertising revenue that can be made by content providers is not nearly enough to sustain the type of salaries that attract the best writers. Over time things will get better, but I think its very telling that of the top content driven web properties, none of them are making money.
Does anyone else think it would be foolish to get a Read winter classic jersey? I kind of want one…
by CSneer on Nov 23, 2011 10:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I was just going through this dilemma yesterday. I can’t decide on who’s jersey to get and Read has been awesome. But it’s mostly a knee-jerk reaction to him being on fire lately. I like to avoid the Girouxs and JVRs when it comes to jerseys cuz I like to have a not-so-common name; have no idea who to get. Schenn?
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Shenanigans? I love that place!
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I will fully admit I’m a hipster when it comes to jerseys alone. But I’m not going to get into a tent and sleep at City Hall or anything.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
they’re gone btw. Nothing to see here
RIP Joey F. You were always up for a game of NHL 2011, no matter how many times I embarrassed you with the one timer. Travel safely. Cheers to a tremendous adversary who was always up for a game of hockey
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Did they? I thought they were in a standoff with the city about moving.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 23, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
A good chunk of them decided to human chain block off the Market Street Bridge during rush hour
I’m surprised a member of the 99% didn’t beat the crap out of them to be honest
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Going for the Read shirsey….safer bet
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Read, Rinaldo and Sestito Flyercrushes until his return
by Cillo stache on Nov 23, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Are they making one? I asked my uncle if they had any Read things at the game and he said no.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
told my dad the other night that i think Read’s going to be my new favorite player. if i had the cash and in an area to get a WC jersey, i’m in the same boat as you.
by hbcivicsi93 on Nov 23, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I want a read jersey but I’m a little scared, to be honest. I’ve been burned before (Prospal) but I don’t know I have a feeling he’s here to stay. Since it’s a WC jersey I don’t think it’s a bad idea, so long as he plays in it.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
So first day of break and nothing much to do, so what’s everyone’s plans so far?
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Read, Rinaldo and Sestito Flyercrushes until his return
Work. Flyers. Muppets.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
And now let’s get things started
Why don’t you get things started
It’s time to get things started
On the most sensational inspirational celebrational Muppetational
This is what we call the Muppet Show
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My son does not want to see the movie. I am absolutely crushed.
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by doubleh on Nov 23, 2011 1:38 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
So? Force him to. That’s your job, no?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I tried that with my daughter last night for the Sigur Ros movie…it wasn’t happening, so it was off to grandma’s she went!
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Haha, right you are, I must have forgotten who I was speaking to last night.
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I can’t begin to describe how jazzed she was when she saw herself up there. I think her face flushed a bright crimson at first, quickly followed in a voice that can only come from a very excited girl “Oh my gosh, that was me!!!!” I won’t be surprised if she puts “Flyers PR spokesperson” on her first job application or resume.
I figured they’d play it before each home game, but my wife wasn’t too sure that would be the case. Now I have concrete evidence!
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Drive to Ottawa, visit my son, drive back. Sleep, have a late family turkey day Friday, sleep more. Watch Flyers on Saturday.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
you wont be watching friday?
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
By family thanksgiving I mean FAMILY thanksgiving. There will likely be at least 30 of us there, so it seems unlikely. I may try to sneak some peeks in, but with my cousin Shane there I am sure if a TV is on it will be playing football. (His UVM club football team almost made national champs, they won everything but they’re very last game.)
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I digress
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Read, Rinaldo and Sestito Flyercrushes until his return
by Cillo stache on Nov 23, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Its your first day of freedom and your spending it digressing?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
tangential
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
So would Homer be looking at Kyle Turris? Homer said you can never have too many centers. To me he sounds relatively cheap for two years, but maybe the more stat-savvy around here can weigh in on his value.
I don’t watch much of him so all I would have to go on is stats, I can’t imagine a need for a center at this point, but you brought up a good counter to that line of thinking already.
He was sheltered a ton last year, 66.1% Ozone start, next closest was 56% and faced the easiest competition on the team. he did have the highest Corsi rel on the team, but you would hope that would be the case with the type of minutes he got. He lead the team in G/60 and Pts/60 at 5 on 5 and luck didn’t appear to play a major role in that at all. He appears to be a better Leino from usage, gets put in easy positions, but actually keeps the play forward more.
Old Business
Just wanted to say that Travis analysis of the Bartulis send-down yesterday was excellent.
However, yesterday I was pretty ripped about it and decided to do a “cannonball dive” into the thread with my interpretation of Homer-as-WIP-fan. Not taking anything away from Travis, because he “showed us the numbers”, but the bones of this problem were already apparent when Homer signed Lilja. In fact, I predicted at the time that the signing would potentially impede our young D’s progress as well as create cap management migraines. I just did not know the extent of this. In addition, several of us (I think including Eric T) were ticked off when later Bartulis was sent down and Walker inexplicably kept. The lack of long-run thinking – and here, I mean like 1 or 2 months in advance, not years in advance – is breath-takingingly omissive and negligent. While I was obviously over the top yesterday, I am beginning to truly believe that Homer really doesn’t care about the relationship between the 4th liners, the 6th/7th defensemen, and the management of the cap. And that’s despite the obvious direct impact this had in the Canes game. He wants talent, and he wants to get the big picture right. Get some talent, get a goalie, get scorers, get some good D, we’re done. That sounds suspiciously like my Homer-as-WIP-fan post yesterday.
I will cringe while waiting for Homer’s next Papelboner.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's reported bloat-signing
Hindsight is 20-20. Homer was probably forced to blow up the team last year. I don’t know anyone with a clue about Hockey who would have predicated how well this Frankenstein’s monster of a team would be playing at this juncture, or the results they’ve gotten.
Let’s not forget that the Walker decision was not made in a vacuum — the word out of camp was that Walker had a great camp. I like Bartulis, but let’s not pretend he’s going to be a top 4 defenseman someday.
Sorry, “hindsight is 20-20” doesn’t fly on a blog where before Walker got sent down we said
and
And if the person has to stay in the NHL, then Walker’s 1.7M cap hit becomes a real anchor on a team that’s measuring its available space in tens of thousands of dollars.
We weren’t quite as direct about it at the start of the year because most of the attention was on the Betts waiving, but Travis did point out before the opener that the difference between Walker and Bartulis would affect the Flyers’ roster options from day one.
This is not a hindsight issue. This is something that was clear even in foresight.
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I guess there’s one piece that is only clear in hindsight, to be fair.
Before the season, it was possible that Walker would be so much better than Bartulis that it was worth putting the team into roster jail to keep Walker up. However, Walker had a multiyear history of not really being any better than Bartulis, so it was not exactly unforeseeable that his successful preseason might not indicate his true talent. Moreover, it’s the team’s job to evaluate their players to answer precisely this sort of question, so they don’t get a “only in hindsight” pass on wildly misevaluating the talent of their own players.
They blew this one. Whether it’s because they couldn’t look a month ahead to think about what they’d do if someone got hurt or because they were dramatically overoptimistic in their evaluation of Walker and decided he was so good that it was worth taking that struggle on, either way they blew it.
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Oops. The “And if the person has to stay in the NHL, then Walker’s 1.7M cap hit becomes a real anchor on a team that’s measuring its available space in tens of thousands of dollars.” part should also be in the block quote above it.
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I still think that, depending on how he’s used, the Lilja signing has a chance of not being THAT bad. If we were to start using Gustafsson as the 6th D and keep Lilja in the press box, I’d be pretty OK with that. We can’t keep talking about how we need to let Gus/Marshall/Bourdon/Bartulis/Lauridsen/whoever else develop and play and get PT, only to turn around and then yell about how they’re not developing because they’re sitting in the press box as the 7th D-man (weren’t there people saying this about Bartulis last year?). Keeping Lilja around as a 7th D guy seems optimal, since he’s not going to develop much either way and by having him up there and not playing we aren’t really impeding the progress and development of anyone.
The problem with this, of course, is that we have no idea whether or not Lavs will keep Lilja up in the press box or trap Gus/other young guy up there.
I root for the All-Hype Team.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Nov 23, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
We can’t keep talking about how we need to let Gus/Marshall/Bourdon/Bartulis/Lauridsen/whoever else develop and play and get PT, only to turn around and then yell about how they’re not developing because they’re sitting in the press box as the 7th D-man
This should say:
We can’t keep talking about how we need to let Gus/Marshall/Bourdon/Bartulis/Lauridsen/whoever else develop and play and get PT, only to turn around and then yell about how they’re keeping down their young guys, when in reality they’d need a 7th D-man anyways and it makes more sense for Lilja to be that guy than it does for one of the young guys so that we can keep developing them.
Crossed my thoughts up for a second there. My bad.
I root for the All-Hype Team.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Nov 23, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree with most of this, except for the inclusion of Bartulis in the list with the other four.
Bartulis had already been groomed for this pressbox #7 role. He’d already filled it. The team was done worrying about getting him ice time for his development. His contract is dirt cheap, perfect for the NHL pressbox role.
Equally importantly, Bartulis was signed for this year and next, and they gave Lilja a two-year deal as well. That makes sense if they saw those two as the #6 and #7 for this year and next, but if they expected Gus or Marshall to make the team at some point then signing Lilja meant the end of Bartulis (since the 35+ contract means Lilja counts against the cap even in the AHL). If Bartulis really just didn’t cut it, then that would also make sense, but I haven’t seen much to suggest that Lilja is substantially better than Bartulis.
So basically, I wish Lilja had gotten a one-year deal and he and Bartulis were in the NHL. Then if Gus or Marshall looked ready for NHL ice time, the lower-performing of Lilja/Bartulis could be sent down to make room for them, and if that didn’t happen then the two vets could be a serviceable #6/7 pair. And in the off-season the team could evaluate whether Gus or Marshall would be ready next year and sign some other veteran #7 if it looked necessary.
In other words, the Lilja signing is fine with me, but having a two-year term on it (with the attendant 35+ rules) seems unnecessarily cramping.
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Yeah, the 35+ contract is rather undesirable. But that’s all fair. I guess that if they’ve decided that Bartulis isn’t getting any better, then there’d have been no harm in keeping him up at #7, though possibly they changed their mind about that (unlikely, but maybe I’m just trying to justify sending Bartulis down instead of Walker).
Being groomed to sit in the press box must be really sad.
I root for the All-Hype Team.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Nov 23, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not that I want to start something, but at this time I would like to say that it has been 182 comments in this post, chronologically, since somebody mentioned Crosby.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 23, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions
File this under "Too Soon":
You just made me feel concussed…
My commenting status may be day-to-day for the next ten months.
Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.
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SPOILER ALERT
Kreider just said that shirts (or at least the Hartnell one) are coming out Friday.
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
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Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
You think the marketing masterminds behind BSH weren’t going to do something for black friday?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
What marketing masterminds?
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Ok…between Ben, Travis and myself we have a mind…that is almost of a master level.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 23, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
The distinct lack of Sir Jeffie of Detwiles in that statement is hilarious.
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Yeah, I thought the same.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody else scrambling to get ready to feed 40 tomorrow?
No, just me? I probably won’t be by the thread tonight but I’ll be with y’all in spirit. Go, Flyers!
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
My mom has all the recipes all printed out in a packet and all the food organized in the fridge. We’re making a few things (read, at least 6 or 7, in my mom’s terms) and going to a family friend’s.
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
The Devils may have found a buyer:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2011/11/22/billionaire-peltz-looking-to-snatch-devils-for-pennies-on-the-dollar/
The kind that will buy cheap, cut the fat and whatnot, them sell a few years later for a profit. It’s not the first time he’s looked into an NHL team:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2011/10/04/nelsen-peltz-looking-into-buying-toronto-maple-leafs/
I enjoyed this quote:
One sports banker, who pegs the value of MLSE at $1.5 billion, says of Peltz: "He is the biggest bottom fisher I have ever met.
From PHT
Amidst Dwayne Roloson’s playing like ass:
Erik Erlendsson of the Tampa Tribune suggested as much today on Twitter. "Amidst all the goaltending talk circulating, and for good reason, if (a big IF) Yzerman makes a move for a goalie it’d be for a [Jonathan] Bernier-type."
By Bernier-type, Erlendsson was talking about a high-quality youngster currently behind an entrenched No. 1 — Cory Schneider in Vancouver, Tuukka Rask in Boston or Josh Harding in Minnesota, for example.
Maybe it’s just because we seem to trade with these guys a lot, but why do I feel like Bob’s name should be on that list?
I root for the All-Hype Team.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Nov 23, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions
Because Josh Harding is 27 years old and shouldn’t be called a “youngster”?
:)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Bee Tee Dubs
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
For people wanting to play pick-up
The thread was updated. We’re looking at December 10th for roller probably. There’s also a poll for people who want to play ice. Pick from Dec. 10 and Dec. 17.
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