Chris Pronger injured; Nodl waived; Schenn back, Lilja to LTIR: Explaining today's moves

by Travis Hughes on Nov 28, 2011 2:45 PM EST in Philadelphia Flyers News

The Philadelphia Flyers did a bunch of stuff today. You can see Paul Holmgren's exact words on all of this right here. Let's recap:

-- Andreas Nodl is on waivers, and Paul Holmgren says it's to "gauge interest" in him from teams around the league. Which doesn't make any sense considering that, generally speaking, you can "gauge interest" in a player without the risk of losing them for absolutely nothing.

It's called a telephone, and I hear everybody has one in their pocket or on their hip these days. NHL general managers, too. Some of them are even called "smartphones" and you can play games on them and everything. Ilya Bryzgalov used one with a cool little compass to help get himself out of the woods.

-- Chris Pronger is out four weeks and is on LTIR, meaning he can't return for 24 calendar days AND 10 games. That puts him out until Friday, December 23 vs. the Rangers at the earliest. If he doesn't go on LTIR until tomorrow, the earliest he could return is Tuesday, December 27 vs. the Lightning. The 27th would be exactly four weeks following his surgery.

-- Andreas Lilja is also on long-term injured reserve.

-- Brayden Schenn is back in Philadelphia. He'll be ready to play on Friday in Anaheim.

-- Kevin Marshall was sent back to Adirondack yesterday, but he's back today in light of the Pronger injury.

-- It looks like Jaromir Jagr will play on Friday, while James van Riemsdyk still isn't skating and is up in the air for the game in Anaheim.

-- Jody Shelley isn't on waivers and still gets paid $1.1 million to do something. I'm not exactly sure what that is, though.

All of this leaves the Flyers with the following: 28 players on the roster, five of whom are not active and on long-term injured reserve. That includes Nodl, who is still on the roster. 15 forwards, six defensemen, two goalies on the active roster, which is right at the 23 man limit.

Without Nodl on the team, should he be claimed or sent to Adirondack, the Flyers will have roughly $5.125 million in room to work with. If Nodl stays, the number drops to $4.28 million. (We'll show our work after the jump.)

Of course, that money isn't permanent savings. It comes back against the cap as soon as guys return of long-term injured reserve, so it's not like the team can just go grab a $5 million defenseman and call it day. What they can do, though, is get a guy to fill in on the blueline somewhere. Let's just hope that guy isn't Matt Walker.

Alright, how'd we get those cap numbers?

The 17 forwards on the roster total $34,375,277 against the salary cap. The nine defensemen on the roster cost $25,350,595 against the cap. Both goalies combine to cost $7,416,667. That's a total of $67,042,539.

You also have to add the $1,402,500 bonus overage from a year ago that the Flyers are paying against the cap this season, which gives you a total of $68,445,039. That's what the Flyers are spending.

Of course, the salary cap is $64,300,000. Take the LTIR exemption -- the cap numbers of Blair Betts, Ian Laperriere, Chris Pronger, Andreas Lilja and Erik Gustafsson combined -- of $8,425,596 and add that to the $64,300,000 cap limit. You get a number of $72,725,596, and that's the spending limit the Flyers have.

So, pretty simple: Subtract the number the Flyers are spending from their spending limit and you get $4,280,557. That's the money the Flyers can spend. That's with Andreas Nodl on the team still, and if he were to go to Adirondack or be picked up, the number would climb to $5,125,557.

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Why the hell would we waive Nodl & not Shelley?

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by The Legend on Nov 28, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions

I’m guessing the Flyers WANT someone to open up a roster spot for them. Teams might take Nodl; teams won’t take Shelley. Maybe they’d like to sign a free agent to a deal?

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by TNBrando on Nov 28, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions

Shelley could go to Adirondack if no one picked him up

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by tmurder on Nov 28, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions

But that would only get rid of his cap hit; it wouldn’t open up a roster spot.

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by TNBrando on Nov 28, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions

It wouldn’t open up a roster spot? How so? Do you mean it wouldn’t open up a contract spot? Because that would be true.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 29, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions

Why the hell would we waive Nodl if Pronger is going on LTIR?

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by Snevik on Nov 28, 2011 2:51 PM EST reply actions

Why, to gauge interest, of course.

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by flyerboom_6 on Nov 28, 2011 2:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions

Thank God this happened after Thanksgiving

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by Philly C on Nov 28, 2011 3:00 PM EST reply actions

I guess the only good thing about all this is that Brayden Schenn is back up in the NHL.

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by Mitchell Green on Nov 28, 2011 3:03 PM EST reply actions

would have rather seen him stay down a few more games so cooter can get more time..with schenn up im willing to bet cooter is forgotten

by reaper1221 on Nov 28, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions

I'll take that bet..

We still lead the league in minor penalties, he will get a decent share of ice. Add in how the boys are dropping like flies and there will be plenty of times to plug him in. Plus Coots has already made the Carter trade look pretty good not to mention Voracek doing the same but with Wayne not playing up to his potential Brayden needs to come and make an impact. I still miss mikey but I’m also excited to see what Schenn can do at this level.

by kckrebs on Nov 28, 2011 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

sorry should have specified, more offensive time(with better teammates), like read gets…seriously better teammates and ice time is what the kid needs not to be relegated to babysitting shelly and bsc for 5 minutes a game and the rest on pk….if he plays d like richards and was a scoring threat in juniors that could translate much like rnh’s has id love to see that

by reaper1221 on Nov 28, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions

i think bourden and marshal have exceeded my expectations, are they pronger, of course not but t in my eyes they are worlds better than lilja and walker. younger faster better positioning….this may be what they needed to show they arnt career ahl defenseman…only problem is gustafson may be useless if they show they are nhl calibre and move past him on the depth chart

by reaper1221 on Nov 28, 2011 3:04 PM EST reply actions

To “gauge interest” ?

Does Homer consult a PR person before he says these things? If not, he should probably consider it.

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by EREX21 on Nov 28, 2011 3:11 PM EST reply actions

Gauge interest=get him off the roster, my opinion.

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by TNBrando on Nov 28, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

Will all do respect I don’t think there would be any GMs jumping for joy about homer calling with a 4th line defensive forward, considering every team should have a similar player(s) already in their system.
Also Travis made the point that he should have called GMs to gauge interest. I don’t much understand that in this circumstance. I mean what’s he supposed to say? Hey I got this 4th line guy that we call up every once in a while to play a strictly defensive role because he can’t do anything around the net. He just got knocked out of a game by Dany Briere and were thinking we need to move him. Interested? I mean are you saying we should call and try to trade him? What in gods name are we gonna get for Nodl?

by kckrebs on Nov 28, 2011 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

You call and see if any other team is interested in our defensive forward who would fit into a third line role on any team instead of placing him on waivers to see if anyone wants him. That way if anyone did want him we could’ve actually got something in return. Now he is free to any team that may want him.

If you wanted to send a player through waivers that nobody would claim because he is useless you tell the guy wearing the number 45 to start packing his bags and head to Glens Falls, New York.

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by Iconious13 on Nov 28, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions

I’m not saying that Nodl will get claimed; I’m saying that’s probably the intent of the Flyers’ FO in waiving him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he passes through waivers, quite frankly.

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by TNBrando on Nov 28, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions

Will all do respect I don’t think there would be any GMs jumping for joy about homer calling with a 4th line defensive forward, considering every team should have a similar player(s) already in their system.

I’m not saying other GM’s should call Homer to ask who is available.

Also Travis made the point that he should have called GMs to gauge interest. I don’t much understand that in this circumstance. I mean what’s he supposed to say? Hey I got this 4th line guy that we call up every once in a while to play a strictly defensive role because he can’t do anything around the net. He just got knocked out of a game by Dany Briere and were thinking we need to move him. Interested? I mean are you saying we should call and try to trade him? What in gods name are we gonna get for Nodl?

A seventh round pick, which is probably less than he is worth is still more than what they run the risk of getting for him now because they put him through waivers.

The fact that he isn’t used as often as he should is not, in my opinion a indicator of his skill level or what he is capable of but rather an obvious sign that the coach has no idea what he is doing. Dressing Shelley, or even Rinaldo over Nodl, or just about anyone who can skate is a disgrace.

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by EREX21 on Nov 28, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions

I never said anything about other GMs calling him to see who’s available. Not really sure where you’re going with that one? I was saying if Homer made 30 phone calls about Nodl that none of them would be desperate enough to give up anything for a player of his calibre especially considering that we are 20 games into the season.
This is the way I see it. If a GM is calling after 20 games trying to get rid of a 4th line defensive forward that hasn’t even played much at all odds are that a) he’s not playing well b) he’s disposable to that organization so c) he’s probably gonna get waived anyways! Why risk giving up a draft pick for a defensive forward with no offensive upside when his chances of getting waived are so high? I’m not saying it hasn’t happened before but if some GM traded anything for Nodl it would just be dowright stupid imo..
I’m by no means a fan a Shelley and I’m still not sure why he’s on the team but I don’t mind Rinaldo. He’s got speed and tenacity and is pound for pound the hardest hitter in the league. Is Nodl a better hockey player, yes but not by a whole lot and considering that they both have totally different skill sets it comes down to what the coach wants. Yes Shelley and Rinaldo can be god damn frustrating to watch sometimes but come on now so is Nodl and his rock hands around the net..

by kckrebs on Nov 28, 2011 4:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

This is probably true. Up against the 50-contract limit, with 15 forwards and 6 defensemen on the current roster, the Flyers don’t have a ton of leverage for unloading a bottom-six player.

However, I can’t let the “rock hands” thing go without pointing out that Nodl’s 8.5% career shooting percentage is better than Rinaldo’s 7.1% in the NHL this year or 5.3% in the AHL last year. Nodl had more NHL goals last year than Rinaldo has ever had at any level (juniors, AHL, NHL).

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by Eric T. on Nov 28, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions

I agree. However I did mention that they are completely different hockey players and different things are expected of them. A couple percentage point difference in shooting does not break my heart, after all it is the 4th line. I also seem to remember nodl being deployed often in the top 6, I think he played with Richy for quite a stretch if I remember right. And yeah I was not too impressed with him in a scoring role. But I’m guessing that may have helped his shooting percent. Rinaldo just simply won’t get that chance nor should he.

by kckrebs on Nov 28, 2011 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Well, if a couple percentage point difference in shooting doesn’t make a difference to you, then you obviously wouldn’t see any difference last year between Nodl (8.5%) and Alex Ovechkin (8.7%).

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by The Dark on Nov 28, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions

Richards and Nodl were not filling a scoring role, let alone in the top-6.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 28, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions

FWIW lesser/similar players (depending on your opinion) have netted 3rd round picks.

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by DLJr on Nov 28, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions

Not that I think he’ll be claimed.

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by DLJr on Nov 28, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions

If a team claims him it’s with the knowledge that he is currently injured. Unlikely that anyone claims any player who subsequently can’t dress for the next game.
Maybe Nodl’s agent requested the waiver, ala Zherdev last year? Otherwise I have a problem w/ Homer’s statement, “to guage interest”. What, if you lose Nodl on waivers, then you know there was interest? Should that happen, how does it help this team? Seems pretty foolish to say such a thing.

by mtitanic on Nov 28, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions

Agreed. Though there seems to be some unwritten rules to what goes on with waiver claims that I clearly don’t understand.

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by DLJr on Nov 28, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions

Maybe Homer’s gambit is to first announce that Nodl is injured, not place him on any official injured list, then waive him and wait for calls from other GM’s asking about him rather than filing a claim. They wouldn’t want to get caught up in a potential “Betts 2.0” mess. I can see this as a potential segue to a larger deal for a d-man or 2 from a Western Conference team. Anaheim is up next in the schedule, so Homer travels w/ the team?

by mtitanic on Nov 28, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, that’s kind of my thought with the injury; he figures no one will claim him, but maybe some people will kick the tires so to speak.

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by DLJr on Nov 28, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions

Didn’t we get a 2013 3rd round draft pick from Minnesota for Darrell Powe just a few months back?

by Thomas Rzucidlo on Nov 28, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions

yes

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by DLJr on Nov 28, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah his name was Darrol Powe not Andreas Nodl

by kckrebs on Nov 28, 2011 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

So only defensive 4th liners named Darrol Powe have value?

I agree the timing of this definitely decreases his value, but Nodl has more value than 0.

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by DLJr on Nov 28, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions

No shit. He brought Powe up for being a player in a similar role, not for having the same name, jackass.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 29, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions

Last year, Andreas Nodl was an average third line NHLer.

Just because he was playing on the fourth line this year does not mean he is a fourth liner.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 28, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions

Dang – stole my thunder again, you bastard.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 29, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions

Sorry, you pair someone being wrong and Nodl (or Carle or Boucher) you know I’ll be there immediately.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 29, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions

Did Carle play for Carolina at some point?

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 29, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions

Nice.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions

Not yet.

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by The Dark on Nov 29, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions

Oh for fucks sake boys, this is when we trade for DSOD.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 28, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions

Now it all makes sense

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by Philly37 on Nov 28, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions

Give him another Winter Classic to play in. We know he’s good for a goal in outdoor games.

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by TNBrando on Nov 28, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions

So if Nodl clears waivers, do we just resign him or send him down to the Phantoms or just leave him as a free agent?

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by Philly37 on Nov 28, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions

After clearing waivers he can be assigned to the Phantoms or continue to play for the Flyers. If teams do not claim him he is not a “free agent,” he stays on the roster until assigned to the Phantoms. If he plays a certain number of games for the Flyers after clearing waivers (I think it’s 10) he would need to clear waivers again to be assigned to the Phantoms.

by hebrew hammer on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions

You’re right that it’s 10 games, but it’s 10 NHL games or 30 days on the NHL roster. So sticking around and being a scratch still counts toward the expiration date of the waivers.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 28, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions

I’m too lazy to work it out myself: Nodl is re-entry-eligible, right? So if he does get sent down, he’s stuck in the depth-crushing hyperplane like Bartulis and Walker?

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by Eric T. on Nov 28, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions

Yep. I was actually just planning to type that part up.

If he clears but is never reassigned to Adirondack (ie he never leaves the NHL roster), we’re fine. But if he clears and gets re-assigned, he goes into re-entry waiver purgatory with the others. If we attempt to call him back up, he would likely be very attractive to other teams at 422k/year for the remainder of this season and next year as well.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 28, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions

/nod

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by Eric T. on Nov 28, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions

He can’t be a free agent, he has a contract. If he clears, they can either send him down or just keep him.

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by Travis Hughes on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions

If Nodl clears waivers, the Flyers can send him to Adirondack or keep him in Philadelphia. If he does not clear waivers, the Flyers just lost an inexpensive, valuable defensive forward for nothing.

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by Justin F. on Nov 28, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions

Really? Waiving Andreas Nodl? Paul Holmgren is such a dumb fuck.

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by Justin F. on Nov 28, 2011 3:21 PM EST reply actions

Can I start a baseless rumor here? Bryan McCabe is still a free agent. Just sayin’.

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by TNBrando on Nov 28, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions

Here’s McCabe’s highlight reel.

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by jello44 on Nov 28, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions

Kim Johnsson's triumphant return? (hes a free agent also)

by reaper1221 on Nov 28, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions

OFF TOPIC

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by jaccoo on Nov 28, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions

hehe. that was good

by blimblam on Nov 28, 2011 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

I initially am upset, but I sort of wonder if Nodl has an injury from the Briere collision and that the Flyers are trying to get rid of him without other teams realizing it. Just a thought.

by fleetflyfan on Nov 28, 2011 3:58 PM EST reply actions

It seems like they would’ve learned in the Betts maneuver that the other team will just send him back when he fails the physical.

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by Eric T. on Nov 28, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions

Was just about to say the same thing. Maybe they are that stubborn? This is Homer we are talking about.

by Thomas Rzucidlo on Nov 28, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions

holmgren……..learn……………..?

by reaper1221 on Nov 28, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions

Because Homer has shown an uncanny ability to learn from his mistakes.

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by EREX21 on Nov 28, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions

Anybody else feel like the masthead will soon need to update the draft pick tracker and organizational depth chart?

by mtitanic on Nov 28, 2011 4:30 PM EST reply actions

I keep reading about Matt Carle getting traded and quite frankly it is killing me…the latest one was him for Ballard. I would hope there would be another piece in that idea but I have no idea.
I might just quit reading, I can’t take it…

by kckrebs on Nov 28, 2011 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Huh?

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by hintzy64 on Nov 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions

I doubt Andreas Nodl will be the next Patrick Sharp.

His offensive upside seems pretty close to zero, he can be a useful 4th liner though.

Maybe they are just trying to free a contract space for some kind of trade, either a dmen (Lilja has been awful lately and now he is on LTIR), or maybe a center who can actually win a draw when it counts.

I would LOVE to grab a Belanger/Malhotra kind of player.

by FireTheWalrus on Nov 28, 2011 5:34 PM EST reply actions

Nodl scored 22 points in 67 games last year.

The average third line winger in the NHL scored 19 points.

His offensive upside is “top-9 forward”, not “pretty close to zero”.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 28, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions

How about his relative offensive upside when compared to a top-9 forward is “pretty close to zero”?

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by hintzy64 on Nov 29, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions

Then I would point to his college numbers and question what “close to zero” really means.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 29, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions

Sure- but Nodl isn’t comparable to Belanger or Malhotra.

Belanger – $1.75m for 3 yrs; 35+ pts/season; 33 yrs old.
Malhotra – $2.5m for 2 yrs; 30+ pts/season; 31 yrs old.
Nodl – $845k for 2 yrs; 20+ pts/season; 24 yrs old.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 29, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions

So I guess my dream of someday seeing an Andreas Nodl goal assisted by Andreas Lilja and Andrej Meszaros took a bit of a hit today.

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by bfrank27 on Nov 28, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions

The crap thing is Nodl was a 2nd round pick who had pretty solid offensive production in juniors. I have no idea how it got to this but it was crappy player management all round I think.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 28, 2011 6:41 PM EST reply actions

FWIW He played college not juniors

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by DLJr on Nov 28, 2011 7:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions

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by mtitanic on Nov 28, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions

Yep that’s what I meant cheers.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 28, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions

Ok, so: the Flyers are trolling for a roster space. They probably wouldn’t bother sending him down if he clears, which there is a pretty good chance of because it’s early enough in the season that teams would rather test their AHL depth than sign a 845k one-way contract for a bottom six role (at best). Still, they extended him in the offseason because they didn’t think Scooter/Schenn/Z would be ready, barely have interest in giving him a chance in the roster when healthy now, and would be equally happy plugging in Wellwood/Holmstrom/whoever when there’s an injury.

I disagree with their assessment, but their position isn’t irrational (even if it does seem unnecessarily wasteful).

This entire situation is independent of the fact that Jody Shelley’s contract/presence on the roster still makes no sense. People should stop talking about Jody Shelley.

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by Snevik on Nov 28, 2011 7:05 PM EST reply actions

Mostly agreed.

With 15 forwards and 6 defensemen, they definitely need to get rid of a F and add a D. One way to do that is to get someone to take Nodl so you get down to 49 contracts and can sign a defenseman or trade a pick for one.

The more traditional way would be to send down the 15th forward (which might be Shelley, Rinaldo, HarryZ, or Nodl, depending on your perspective) and call someone up from the AHL, but with Walker and Bartulis blocked by reentry waivers, that might mean resorting to Oliver Lauridsen, who is tall.

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by Eric T. on Nov 28, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions

I have a very hard time believing people can’t use a very good, young PK’er for 845k.

When will we know if he was claimed?

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 28, 2011 7:23 PM EST reply actions

I think noon tomorrow.

by mtitanic on Nov 28, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions

Every time homer opens his mouth either a lie comes out or dumb shit happens. I’m sorry but a guy doesn’t get a cold and end up with knee surgery. When Pronger missed the Rags game I knew right then it was an injury. I wish this fucktard GM would stop lying and use his brain. Seriously, waiving Nodl over Shelley? WTF???

by Kanayd on Nov 28, 2011 8:01 PM EST reply actions

I don’t really care if they lie. Maybe they were trying to trade for a depth defenseman and didn’t want other teams to know they might be desperate.

Well, I guess I should say I mostly don’t care. I’m a little afraid that the result might be an unnecessarily long stay on LTIR for Pronger. Here’s what I’m looking at:

A player can only be placed on LTIR after a doctor has said that an injury or illness will cause him to miss 24 days and 10 games
The player must then stay there until that injury has caused him to miss 24 days and 10 games

The player doesn’t have to stay on LTIR for 24 days or 10 games; he has to have an injury that causes him to miss 24 days and 10 games. So it doesn’t matter that they didn’t put him on LTIR right away, but the fact that they’ve insisted that he could have played and was only missing games because of the virus means that his 24/10 clock starts with today’s surgery.

Had they instead said from the beginning that he was out because of a lower body injury and a virus, when they said today “yeah, the knee injury is going to keep him out”, they could’ve started the 24/10 clock from the first game missed. Instead, I think the 24/10 clock starts with today’s surgery, since they seem to have said that the injury didn’t keep him out, only the surgery did.

So now I’m annoyed by the thought that he might be ready to go in 18 days but not allowed to play yet. But other than that, I don’t really care what they tell the public about the injuries.

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by Eric T. on Nov 28, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions

What I got Eric was that they were hoping his knee would get better when he was out with the virus but it didn’t. In which case I think they’d have an argument that the knee was keeping him out as well. Not sure, it’ll be interesting to see.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 28, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, but they weren’t up-front about the knee. They hid that until he needed surgery. So unless there is documentation from a doctor that the knee was a problem back then, I’m with Eric, the starting date of the LTIR is later than it should have been.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 29, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions

This is the second time they’ve tried to throw away a good player on a cheap contract because they can’t see 2 days into the future.

We can’t keep doing this.

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by philiafan14364 on Nov 28, 2011 11:55 PM EST reply actions

Upshall, Nodl, Metropolit. That’s at least 3.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 29, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions

Eh, Upshall’s can at least be seen as “he was going to get a big raise, we couldn’t afford him.”

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 29, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions

Not when we had to throw in a pick for that trade.

I have no problem trading him, but the reason it happened and more importantly happened the way it did was because of Paul Holmgren’s lack of foresight.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions

Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you, I just think it can be argued that he was traded due to his pending free agency. I don’t think that wins, but I think it’s a solid argument.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 29, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions

Betts.

I <3 our rookies.

by LeepinLizardz on Nov 29, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions

That's who I was thinking

But I completely forget Metropolit.

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by philiafan14364 on Nov 29, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions

“Gauge interest.” So stupid. It’s like I want to sell my laptop, but I’m not sure if anybody wants it, so I’m going to go to the mall and leave it on a table in the food court and come back tomorrow to see if anybody wanted it.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 29, 2011 10:50 AM EST reply actions