Tuesday Morning Fly By: Some Things You Can't Unsee
by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 29, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...
- Tim McManus shared a video of the Phantoms lip syncing to "We Built This City", but Wyshynski wrote a post about it: [Puck Daddy]
- Wondering how the Flyers will deal without Chris Pronger: [CSNPhilly]
- A blurb in the Edmonton Journal reported that, on top of shopping him last season, the Flyers tried to trade James van Riemsdyk to Minnesota for Josh Harding a few years back: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Future Flyers weekly report, starring Tom Sestito, Brayden Schenn, and Shane Harper: [Flyers Faithful]
- The Rangers unveiled their Winter Classic jerseys: [SBNation.com] [icethetics] [NHL.com]
- Max Pacioretty was suspended three games for his hit on Kris Letang, but the video explanation is definitely worth watching for anyone who thinks hitting is going to be taken out of the game: [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Dale Hunter was hired to replace Bruce Boudreau in Washington: [SBNation.com] Is that a smart move? [SBNation.com]
- Kirk Muller was hired to replace Paul Maurice in Carolina: [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Using the CSN Philly broadcast to explain why special teams play should not be judged merely on results: [Driving Play]
- Who will be this year's Dallas Stars and Colorado Avalanche - teams that go from atop the standings to missing the playoffs - based on numerical warning signs: [Backhand Shelf]
- Off-topic, but the afterword to a post explaining how the Phillies never ripped off Ed Wade is not only worth reading, it is worth memorizing: [The Good Phight]
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We find out if Nodl passed through waivers at12:00 today. You’d have to think another move is forthcoming no matter what happens to Nodl.
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Couturier stats for your Tuesday morning
So firstly we’re looking at 4 on 5 situations with all forwards who’ve played over 10 games. Sorted it by TOI/60 so that I get the top 30 PKers in the league based on the time they spend on the PK.
The result is here
Out of that group, Couturier has the second best Corsi Rel on the PK. First place? Jordan Staal. So he’s already playing at a league leading level in driving play forward while on the PK.
Next thing is looking at 5 on 5 situations and sorting by GAON/60 (goals against while player is on ice per 60 minutes). Notice that Couturier is 8th in the entire freaking league with 0.93. Now how to make that more impressive? Look at GAOFF/60 so the goals against the team while player is off the ice. Unlike all but one of the players ahead of him on that list, Couturier has a GAOFF/60 of > 3. So while he’s off the ice >3 goals are being scored/60, while he’s on, <1 goals are being scored per 60. He also has the highest Corsi Rel in that Top 8 and BY FAR has the lowest zone start with 31.7% (only 2 of the 7 ahead of him are less than 50% zone start, with a couple of them at 70+).
I thought I’d get that off my chest and let you guys know. Coz I’m happy.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 6:41 AM EST reply actions
One has to wonder what he could do in 5vs5 situations if he wasnt paired with Rinaldo and Shelley
by Anders Jensen on Nov 29, 2011 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
What is his 4-on-5 SA/60? And what is his 5-on-5 save percentage?
I find it interesting that you don’t mention his unsustainably high on-ice save percentage when showing how few goals have been scored with him on the ice, let alone how weak his opposition is.
Has Couturier played well? Yes. But you’re cherry-picking stats.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 29, 2011 7:54 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Way to piss in my Couturier brand cornflakes, Geoff!
I <3 our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Nov 29, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
…but is Couturiers competition weaker than his terrible linemates?
And in terms of 4 on 5 is his highest % with Talbot? Is this is true is it driving up his effectiveness?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I would sure as help hope an Couturier could our perform Shelly and Rinaldo. The one thing I am seeing based on PoL’s post here is that Couturier is succeeded were Betts couldn’t last season in carrying the 4th line and not being drug down but his weak line mates.
Talbot 5 Nodl 0 11/7/2011
That was the question I was asking… not if Coots is better than Shelly….
but is the competition her is facing as a 4th liner better than Shelly/Rinaldo/Talbot/Nodl/whoever the hell ends up on 4th line duties.
IE, its no great accomplishment if Coots is beating out some 4th line scrub thats slower than Shelly.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
He is not just beating them out he is destroying them so that is good sign and last season Betts failed to do the exact same thing Couturier is doing now. It is a good sign for an 18 year old.
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Geoff, tempering our expectations since 06’
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking last night that if the Flyers had sent Scooter back to juniors, the team would have an extra roster spot (so they wouldn’t have needed to waive Nodl), Holmstrom would be up with the Flyers handling Scooter’s time on the PK and at even strength and Scooter would be playing 20+ minutes in the Q. Not saying that would be the best scenario, but that would probably be the scenario playing out right now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 29, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hey I’m new to this alright. I’ll learn.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
And isn’t it a credit to him if his SA/60 is low on 4-on-5??
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh got that wrong. Don’t worry, thought SA/60 was shots against, not saves against. As I said, I’m learning. Can you explain how I should use that in the analysis of Corsi though? That’s an honest question, not having a go at you here.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Shorthanded shots against is a pretty good show of how effective they are as a penalty killer. I’m not sure how reliable Corsi is outside of ES.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yep but behindthenet.ca says that SA/60 is ‘saves against per 60’ not shots against? Bit confused with that. I can see how shots against per 60 would be a pretty good show of his effectiveness as a penalty killer though yep.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t know why Gabe did that, either, but GAON/60 is right there, so it’s not that hard to see the comparisons.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yep GAON/60 would’ve been relevant. And it does temper Couturier’s stats a little. Jordan Staal is on 1.99 while Couturier’s on 6.35. That’s a pretty big difference.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, he broke it out into the Corsi components (goals+saves+blocked shots+missed shots). I’d be willing to bet, though, that Fenwick is better here, since I’d say blocking shots on PK is likely to be a skill.
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Hmm so how should I be using all the different components individually? Say (to make things simple) we’re comparing Couturier and Talbot on the PK. Talbot’s Corsi is far lower. However Couturier has fewer blocked shots for, fewer missed shots against, fewer saves against and more goals against…
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
It’s tough on BtN because he does everything per 60, and you’re really only looking at how effective he is at preventing shots from getting through to the net. I don’t know about others, and I could easily be wrong, but I’d be more curious in his Fenwick Against (goals, shots, misses), since including blocked shots would count negatively on something he’s doing well.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Can we Fenwick against on the interwebs anywhere?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 30, 2011 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
*Can we see Fenwick against, was what I meant
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 30, 2011 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
For 5-on-5, it’s here. For 4-on-5, you’d have to do the math using BtN’s spreadsheets.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 30, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
And wtf out of the 7 players ahead of him on GAON/60 (remembering that I was saying this is his GAON/60 and this is why it’s even better than it looks compared to the 7 players ahead of him) his save % is the lowest out of all (and there are no players in the Top 30 of that list who have anything resembling a sustainable save %). Dude if you’re going to shut me down please don’t rely on people not actually double checking your comments.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
~ Lowhand slap. Nice.
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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 29, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
His 5-on-5 Sv% is .963, highest of any Flyers with more than three games. Did you not switch back from 4 v 5?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yep I switched back to 5 on 5 but I was comparing him to the league leaders in that category (GAON/60) – not the Flyers. I’ve linked the exact chart I was looking at when making my comment above. And his 5-on-5 sv% is lower than the 7 people ahead of him on that chart. If I was comparing him to Giroux or something and saying he’s better than Giroux defensively then sure that sv% is important. But I was comparing him to other people who have low GAON/60.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
But they are all still getting lucky. 963 at ES is unsustainable. It doesn’t help that other players in that category are getting lucky, too.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yep they are all getting lucky. My point was this in this conversation of league leaders at GAON/60 we’re still looking at a (not-quite, but getting there) level playing field in terms of save %.
It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out. One thing to note is that these guys have ‘banked’ an unsustainably high save %. It’s not necessary that their save % will, from hereon in, be lower than the average goaltender’s save %. It will probably, from hereon in, be equal to the average goaltender’s save %. That doesn’t really mean much but just a note for whenever we say unsustainably high.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
If you’re going to call him on anything, it should be ShotsAgainst/60 at 4 v 5. Only Schenn has a lower rate among forwards, and he only played four games.
I’m not even sure Geoff checked the stats, to be honest. He was just pointing out things that would provide context to your stats, if you didn’t want them to be viewed as cherry-picked.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
My main issue with Geoff’s comment was:
I find it interesting that you don’t mention his unsustainably high on-ice save percentage when showing how few goals have been scored with him on the ice, let alone how weak his opposition is.
I read that as implying that I’d deliberately left those things off to prove a point, which was 100% not the case. A look at my linked charts show I hadn’t even opened up the shooting %s. I’m new to these and don’t automatically know every single number to look at.
One thing he could’ve correctly called me out for was confirmation bias. I had a feeling that Couturier’s PK stats in particular would be impressive, so I went looking for stats that would confirm that and found them. Perhaps if I’d gone in looking to prove Couturier wasn’t so good at the PK I’d have focussed on different stats. That would have been a valid comment to make.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 29, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
So now when I ask questions, it’s shutting you down? As you can see, I was on my phone. That’s also why I didn’t give the answer myself.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 29, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t interpret it as a question – more as a challenge. Rubbed off the wrong way. Based on the replies to your comment, sounded like a lot of people didn’t bother double checking but assumed that his SAON/60 and save % refuted my earlier argument. Anyway, forget it.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 30, 2011 6:12 AM EST up reply actions
Ahh got that wrong. Don’t worry, thought SA/60 was shots against, not saves against. As I said, I’m learning. Can you explain how I should use that in the analysis of Corsi though? That’s an honest question, not having a go at you here.
I think you likely figured this out during the conversation but I think its mostly used to bring context into the situations. You could have a middling CORSI score but if the goalie behind you is putting up astronomical numbers when your on the ice it will seriously deflate you’re GAON/60 even if its not your defensive play that is leading to these results.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Yep ended up picking that up.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 30, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Then my apologies. It’s not what I intended.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 30, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
No worries.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Nov 30, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
That Phantoms video made my day yesterday. I with Flyers TV did more things like that.
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I’m trying to see what Mike Quick’s career ESS is compared to league average
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I don’t think there’s anywhere to find it online without doing some work. Eric data-dumped a table of it some time last year.
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If search weren’t broken, it would be a lot easier to find this.
That’s the goalies’ career numbers through the end of last season, and you can look up this year’s numbers (or any individual year) on NHL.com.
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Did anyone read Jim Jackson’s article on CSN Philly about 5 Flyers rivalry’s. If not it’s pretty good
Anywhere there was a blurb on there that made me laugh, I also had no idea what he was talking about:
The animosity between the Flyers and Lightning is beginning to perk up again. These two clubs have a little history to build upon. They experienced two ferociously competitive playoff series, with each team claiming victory once. They even, once upon a time, came close to blows in the parking lot, gang style, outside of the St. Pete Times Forum.
Can anyone fill me in on what he is talking about? Maybe I knew but forgot.
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We beat the Lightning in 6 games in the 95-96 Conference Quarterfinals, and lost to them in 7 games in the 03-04 Conference Finals. Both series got pretty ugly, as I remember.
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I think he’s talking about that last sentence.
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I know, but his question didn’t say that. So I explained the rest of the blurb. I’m a helper! :-)
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Correct. I was talking about the supposed almost brawl.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
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Well there I can’t help you, sorry. :-p
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OR THIS
April 8, 1998 — The Flyers out-scored Tampa Bay 5-0 in the third period en route to a 6-1 road win. John LeClair (2-0-2) scored twice and Mike Sillinger (1-1-2) had two points. In the third period explosion that came in a span of 11:05, five different Flyers scored and Paul Coffey, Alexandre Daigle and Sillinger each picked up two points. Philly outshot TB 37-16 including 14-3 in the last period. Sean Burke picked up the win by making 15 saves. The Flyers last three goals all came via the PP and was was 3-for-9 in the game compared to Tampa Bay’s 0-for-3. Andrei Nazarov was ejected after he cut Daniel Lacroix during a brawl which also involved the Lightning’s Sandy McCarthy and Darcy Tucker with 6:31 to play and which led to five misconducts and 69 PIMs, 27 to Philadelphia and 42 to Tampa Bay ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaEZ-jVr9vk ). According to media reports, Eric Lindros, who did not play, and other Flyers confronted Nazarov in the parking lot outside the arena following the game due to what was perceived as a sucker punch by Nazarov against Daniel Lacroix who received 48 stitches around his left eye and missed the next four games. Said Lindros “What he did was gutless, the incident won’t be forgotten.” Kjell Samuelsson, however, interceded and separated the pair. Nazarov commented “There were six of them, and I thought they might try to jump me. They could have. It would have been one against six. I told them to save it for the ice. If you want me, come and get me on the ice.” Luke Richardson fought Enrico Ciccone in the game’s final minute ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rsgyavnXpU ).
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions
Looked for a Todd parker quote from boogie nights:
“That shit’s jammin’, man”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I prefer “Don’t dance on Sundays”.
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niceeee
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
CSN reporting that Kimmo Timmonen is worried about injuries. Hmm…we knew that 2 days ago. Thank you Teemu! Love me my BSH scoops.
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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 29, 2011 10:27 AM EST reply actions
Seconded. High five, Teemu!
I <3 our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I’m afraid to ask this… but which video is better? The Phantoms video, the mascot’s video or the wonderful Eurovision finds by Ben?!
Also, at around 2:56 in the “We Built this City” video, the facial expressions are priceless!
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The effort level in the Phantoms’ vid is commendable, but the casting left something (Wolf) to be desired.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 29, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I need to ask everyone a question, because I’d like everyone’s input
What exactly does Kimmo Timonen do on this team that would support the amount of money he makes a year?
If Pronger was in and Timmo was out, do you think the defensive woes would be as bad as they are, better, or worse?
Why doesn’t he make our powerplay better, or play point on the powerplay?
Maybe it’s because I don’t pay attention to the stats, or perhaps i’m just biased because I’ve never thought Timonen was worth the money, but I really don’t understand what makes him so valuable.
I’m probably wrong in this case, but I’d really like to see an argument into what he brings to the team and what makes him so valuable
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 10:38 AM EST reply actions
He plays against the hardest competition of any of our regular D-men at ES and keeps the team from falling apart when the other high-paid, injury-prone stud D-man goes out with a viral/face/knee/back issue.
Also, he’s getting paid that much this year as windfall from being worth that money and probably more when he signed the contract.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I’m completely curious to see what would happen if Kimonen was out for 6 weeks and how pronger handled it, or rather how the defense would handle it
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
The defense would handle it better than if Pronger were out, but I’d suspect worse than if Coburn or Carle were missing. It’s tough for me to tell with all the issues in D zone coverage right now to what extent Carle and Coburn are knocking on the door for the position of second best.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
First do me a favor and look at what year he signed his contract, and what other contracts were given out that year (Gomez, Drury, Briere, Shouray, Schneider, Hannan, etc.)
Also, you aren’t putting any value in that he actual plays in the games (80, 77, 82, 82 in the regular season since being here).
We can go off from there if you like, but those are a couple of simple things to get you started.
should i restrict the contract search to defenseman during that offseason?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Comparatively speaking, he’s outperforming the other players who received contracts in his range.
Out of context though, the contract still looks like a monster. Then again, it’s probably silly to take things out of context
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
He was never going to perform to that contract IMO, the fact there were other horrendous contract given out around then makes it ok IMO. He gets consistently tough assignments, performs pretty well from a possession metric POV, but I haven’t looked in to anything on the PK yet or his point production. I’m hoping Eric will take it at that point as I don’t have the time to deep dive it currently and he has his own data base.
well no this is good enough for me. I didn’t need an in-depth as much as a summary with key points.
you’re relieved
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
He’s currently 10th(T) in the league in Assists. Hes currently 16th(T) in the league in +/-. He’s currently 16th(T) in the league in Blocked shots.
He not only plays the hardest competition on the team but he’s mentored Coburn into being able to do the same.
He plays the Pivot/Point on the PP and has generated 6 PPP’s this season.
In his 5 years with the Flyers he has only missed 7 games in the regular season.
He has consistently been one of the teams leaders in TOI and plays on both the PK and the PP.
Theres a start for you.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Well about that toughest competition thing…
In 07/08 he played the 4th toughest, Coburn played the 2nd toughest and performed better in terms of CorsiRel with harder zone starts.
in 08/09 He did play the toughest comp but had a very unspectacular CorsiRel, Coburn played the 3rd toughest and sparkled in CorsiRel with tougher zone starts
in 09/10 he and Coburn were asked to cover up the glaring holes at the #5 and 6 Dman guys. He played the 3rd hardest comp and was 4th in CorsiRel. Coburn got the 5th hardest, but again outperformed on CorsiRel with harder zone starts; though I’d probably give the edge to Timonen that year.
In 10/11 when he played mostly with Coburn, he faced the toughest competition and had the 2nd highest CorsiRel.
I haven’t looked at points yet or BZS, but Coburn doesn’t appear to have leaned on Timonen during his development as much as has been suggested. Basically 10/11 was his best year IMO in terms of the non traditional stats, and he played it mostly with Coburn.
'Nuff said...
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Why he is so valuable is exactly the point of you not noticing his game. Pronger may be the Filet, but Timmo is the asparagus, Lyonnaise potatoes, creamed spinach, mushroom & onions and the wedge salad. None of these things should be overlooked
Commenter formerly known as M from Pdaddy, but still just Call Me "M"!
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Breaking:
I think Homer is going to announce I’ve been traded to Tampa Bay for a defenseman.
At least, that’s one possible explanation for why “Tampa Bay Lightning” just followed me on Twitter.
Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.
- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)
Is it a verified account? I’ve been followed by fake famous accounts before and I was so excited…until I checked their tweets :(
I <3 our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Nov 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not official. The description says something like by the fans for the fans.
Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.
- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)
Haha. Okay. Shame, though. Because being traded to Tampa wouldn’t be half-bad. I hear the weather’s nice this time of year :)
I <3 our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Nov 29, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
The weather is nice here right now. I was sweating as I walked to the car this morning.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 29, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I sweat thinking about walking to the car.
#fatpeopleproblems
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
#FireRoseman
@boknows71
i sweat while eating…
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Tampa Bay follows everybody on twitter. I got followed by them before, then a few days later, they dropped me like a hot potato.
Anyone have a good site for Sabres gear (not sweaters, just shirts etc.)?
I don’t feel like joining DBTB to post this. I figured BSH’s are savvy enough. Needs to ship to NC.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
#FireRoseman
@boknows71
Are you looking for something creative, like Kreider’s? Or just standard Saber’s gear?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Standard. No other teams have a “Kreider”.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
#FireRoseman
@boknows71
Hey kreider, that sounds like an untapped resource. just sayin’
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I’m trying to branch out with my own site Odd Man Rush apparel but I don’t have the ideas for the other teams. Plus my best one, the Skinner t-shirt, was nixed for copyright issues. Haha. Still working on them though.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Also, no offense to Kreider because, well, <3 to you man, but Nucks Misconduct has some nice gear too.
http://nucksmisconduct.spreadshirt.com/
I really find the child in me wanting the GI Joe Sedin Twins T.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Um….dude…you do know that I do those, right?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I did but wanted you to point it out. More effective.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
#FireRoseman
@boknows71
Oh ok. Right on.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 29, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
there’s money to be made with Buffalo fans
Specifically, any jokes around “His foot was in the crease”
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Haha. #FuckBrettHullsToe
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 29, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Admiral Ahkbar’s wearing devils colors with across the chest
“It’s a trapppppp”
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Put a call out to UBI
Commenter formerly known as M from Pdaddy, but still just Call Me "M"!
DISCLAIMER: Information written above may not be entirely factual nor provable with the use of complex statistics. But it may induce thought, humor and possibly laughter.
Per DNF Flyers:
The Flyers are holding a team meeting right now.
Hope they’re picking secret santa people and that JVR gets Hartsy!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 29, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions
Adnreas Nodl will now be wearing Red, Black and White. Carolina picked him up.
Someone comfort Don.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Nov 29, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions
I want to wish terrible and evil things upon Homer but I am not that kind of person. But I really, really want to.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Jani Pitkanen has always been one of my favorite defenseman
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Joni!
I tried to see if there was a Pitkanen shirt in the RBC Center when I was in Raleigh, but no go.
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
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Definition: Bad-assery on skates
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I miss Richards, mainly because he’s super awesome but also because i have a shirt with his name on it (trust me its not cheap or easy to get NHL shirts over here).
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