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Oh no! It’s still Monday!? What sick time loop is this!? Why can’t I get stuck on a Saturday? Nooooooo!!!!!

LeClair > Any Non-Flyer > Lindros > Any Non-Flyer
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by Henry al-Sirat on Nov 8, 2011 7:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I feel dumb, so very dumb.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Hehehe, captured in the url forever. :-p

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed. Can’t get rid of that.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Why is that? I’m pretty sure I can change them on my wordpress blog. But I’m also a much smaller operation than SBNation.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t know. I can change it prior to posting, but oh well. I don’t deserve to have my mistakes erased from history.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

You go to box, feel shame.

Bob.

by The Dark on Nov 8, 2011 8:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

always relevant

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

and then you are free…

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by lcd24 on Nov 8, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

And I thought I was leaving for England today! Ha! Good morning, Geoff

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by BHMB on Nov 8, 2011 7:18 AM EST reply actions  

Have fun. Only been there once, London mostly and I loved it. I hope to get back some day to take in a Man City game live.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 8, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Small world. Been many, many times. Strange to think that there’s someone out there who thinks of it as a destination. Like me and the Flyers, I suppose. I’m hoping that they come out here and play in our nice Arena one day, in the early season Euro games. More likely you’ll catch City-Union in a Pre Season game over there.

Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.

by McGonigle on Nov 8, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

London is one of my favorite European cities… I’ve been there a few times and would go back in a second.

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by JLS89 on Nov 8, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I studied abroad in London and loved it. Want to go back :(

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Way to really put yourself out there and study abroad in an English speaking country!

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by DLJr on Nov 8, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Not everyone can be as cultured as you Don.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 8, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

No, but everyone can give Geoff shit like me; try it, it’s a great way to salvage a bad week.

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by DLJr on Nov 8, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll remember that later in the week when I really need a pick me up at the expense of someone else.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 8, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay, we both know study abroad for 85% of white college kids is “Drink in another country for 4 months.”

Why learn a language just to be too drunk to speak it?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha… I couldn’t speak Danish when I was sober, let alone, when I was drinking…

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by JLS89 on Nov 8, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Danish is easy, if you are raised here, one of the toughest to learn if not :)

by Anders Jensen on Nov 8, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Jai skell genne hav ein ol.

Only line of Danish I remember from 4 years ago and I’m sure I butchered the spelling and pronunciation. How close was I Anders?

by hebrew hammer on Nov 8, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Close and still very far :) Its.

Jeg vil gerne have en øl

by Anders Jensen on Nov 8, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah ok, thanks. I guess at one point I had learned the numbers up to 100 too, but I still couldn’t pronounce them properly. Especially “fyrre.”

Every time I tried to use that phrase to order a beer the response was always something in English like, “So, you want a beer?”

by hebrew hammer on Nov 8, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was a bit sad when I went to Germany. I tried so hard to ask people questions in German, but they invariably answered in English.

Interestingly enough, when I was in Croatia, there were several times we were in a store or restaurant and I’d talk to an employee in Croatian or English, and they’d always respond in German. Even if I continued in English/Croatian after their initial question/response. They get a lot of German tourists there, so I guess that’s where they thought I was from. Luckily, I knew more German than Croatian, so I did fine.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s pretty wild that they defaulted to German even if you tried Croatian in Croatia. I tried so hard to pick up a few things everywhere I went, but most of Europe is so fluent in English they just default to that when they realize it’s easier for you.

by hebrew hammer on Nov 8, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s why I’m convinced they thought I was German. They were probably trying to accommodate me, they just didn’t realize my native language was English. They see way more Germans and Italians there than Americans.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, I guess that makes sense. One of my friends who I met in Denmark spent a lot of time in Croatia, said it was really really beautiful there. It was a bit too far out of my way, but I would love to go there someday.

by hebrew hammer on Nov 8, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It was gorgeous there. And in Slovenia. The variety of landscapes is incredible for such a small country. I completely fell in love with the place. I can’t recommend it enough.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s exactly what my friend said too. I guess I’ll have to add it to my neverending list.

by hebrew hammer on Nov 8, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a list like that too. The problem is it never gets any shorter. I go somewhere and love it so much that I want to go back. I need to start going places that suck, so I can take them off my list.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea my last trip was only to the West Coast, but my sister moved out there this summer, so I’m headed back to visit her, when I really should be saving up for Macchu Picchu (which is probably at the top).

by hebrew hammer on Nov 8, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, and the social and cultural mix of languages and religions and ethnicities is also fascinating in the former Yugoslavia. My favorite place in Europe.

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 8, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I also liked that it was all little towns and villages instead of big cities. Even the “big cities” didn’t feel that big. The atmosphere in Ljubljana was fantastic. And the little villages out in the countryside just feel so cozy and relaxed.

And their society, as a whole, might like ice cream as much as my wife and I do. I felt so at home.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a German-Croatian connection that dates back to the Second World War and plays into the ethnic rivalry between the Croats and Serbs, who were aligned with the Soviet Russians. That history was dug up during the Yugoslav Wars in the 1990s.

Until recently very few Americans had ever been to any of the former Yugoslav states, though there has been a British tourist presence. But German has been the second language, for tourism and other trade.

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 8, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, that area was under the rule of the Austro-Hungarian Empire until the end of the First World War, so there is a heavy German influence due to that as well.

In their cuisine alone (yes, I always think about food), you could see the strong influences from German, Italian, and Slavic culture. They’re really a mix of all three.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Danish pronouncing isnt easy, when most vocals sound like easy other depending on the word.

by Anders Jensen on Nov 8, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

In case you weren’t aware or want a laugh: Stuff White People Like #72 Study Abroad

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t aware of that article and I laughed… thanks!

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by JLS89 on Nov 8, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

haha any time. That site is great.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I have the first book.

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I’m in that odd 15%, I was still “straight edge” when I did my study abroad. But this does explain a lot about you, well that and the link you provided.

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by DLJr on Nov 8, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

haha, I’m an open book, Don.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Some of the chapters are terrifying.

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by DLJr on Nov 8, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I just skipped to the end and I have one question. What were the scuba masks and midgets for?

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by boknows71 on Nov 8, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Alcohol was involved. That’s all I remember.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m in the same group, pretty much, but I studied abroad in Mexico City and various parts of Spain (so it was mostly about protecting myself, lol).

"It seems weird but I drink. I drink when I work out. I literally hate working out. My friends ask me if I want to go hiking up Runyon Canyon in Los Angeles and I’m like, ‘Why? I have the new Kinect. Why would you want to go outside? Why would you like to climb up a mountain?’ I really do drink when I work out. I have to trick myself into thinking I’m doing something fun. I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet. Not that the Greeks or Italians score high in the ‘liberated men’ categories either – but they were at least not grabby as those Spaniards.

Never had a problem in Mexico actually. Probably because I never travelled much there with female companions.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 8, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Despite having a great time, I really regret going to an English-speaking country. I think college counselor should try and push against dumb kids who don’t realize the value of second-language fluency in the job market.

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by Snevik on Nov 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I developed a mean Scottish accent when drunk. Does that count?

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by Snevik on Nov 8, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I never got to study abroad, but that seems to be true of all but 1 person I know who did. Well, that doesn’t count Don, so I guess he’s the second. But when I was younger, my aunt who had lived all over Europe during her time as a military wife, drilled into me that if you visit a non English speaking country, there were only a few phrases you needed to learn: hello, please, thank you, help, to ask where the bathroom is, and (most importantly) how to order a beer.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 8, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Dos cervezas, por favor!

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay, it’s a little scary that we both did that.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

But in two different languages. Impressive, I’d say!

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll add two more...

Dva piva, prosim! (Slovenian)
Dva piva, molim! (Croatian)

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh, it’s just the BSH mind meld showing up again. It’s not that unusual….

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 8, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Zwei dunkel bier, bitte!

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

When ordering beer in foreign countries I point at the tap. Works every time.

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by boknows71 on Nov 8, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve only ever had to deal with French, and bière (which I’ve seen spelled bièr, too) isn’t really that hard to remember.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 8, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

This will lead to Danny Beer jokes.

Bob.

by The Dark on Nov 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Namabiiru wo kudasai!

Mourning Hartnell's hair

by Toomin on Nov 8, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno… My Japanese generally got better after a few drinks.

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by Toomin on Nov 8, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Racialist.

I'm kind of a dick.

by Vansteel on Nov 8, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I visited London when I studied abroad. I want to go back to Copenhagen too!

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by JLS89 on Nov 8, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Copenhagen is also an awsome city :)

by Anders Jensen on Nov 8, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

As did I. Lived in Kensington on St. Albans Grove. I could walk anywhere in London and I loved that city. Have fun man.

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by Henry al-Sirat on Nov 8, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I lived right off the Gloucester Road stop. Right at the lower left corner of the circle line. Having three different lines at your stop is fantastic.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup, I was like 5 blocks from there. Halfway up Gloucester Rd between the tube station and Kensington Rd, so the west of Gloucester Rd.

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by Henry al-Sirat on Nov 8, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s right behind where I lived in Emperor’s Gate. I would run down Gloucester to Hyde Park and back. Crazy.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

So the question becomes, who was there first? I call 2005….

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by Henry al-Sirat on Nov 8, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Spring 2007. You win.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Went to London twice and loved it. My bro-in-law and his wife just went there for their honeymoon and seeing their pictures made me want to go back even more.

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by LeepinLizardz on Nov 8, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Richter might not be as good as the narrative suggests, but he’s still a hero in his hometown of Flourtown, PA! :)

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by btowl1818 on Nov 8, 2011 7:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

On Richter

I never, never, never understood why Clarke et al never went after Richter. This annoyed me greatly especially at one point when he was a free agent, the Flyers needed a goalie (of course, this is always true), and they passed on him.

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by Bud in TN on Nov 8, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? The article above just showed how he was barely above league average.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well he didn’t know that back then. Your stats hindsight is 20/20, Jeffie!

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This, also.

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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009

by Bud in TN on Nov 8, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood. But overpaying in the 1990s was irrelevant in a non-salary-cap era.

The fanbase would have stopped wanting a goalie, and the Flyers would have “settled” for Richter, and built everything around him. That’s pretty much what’s happened with Bryz, except the problem is there IS a salary cap and overpaying doesn’t work.

Plus, you recall I am always in the “sports biz” club and that would have been a marketing coup.

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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009

by Bud in TN on Nov 8, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, but I’m saying, based on the evidence, it’s a good thing that they didn’t get Richter. He would have been worse than Vanbiesbrouck, since his abilities were inflated by their home scorer.

The team would have wanted a new goalie in a year, the Flyers would have been built around him, then collapse since he isn’t a foundation. It has nothing to do with money, it’s that he wasn’t very good.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Richter would have been worse than Vanbiesbrouck,

I always felt that way.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 8, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The team would have wanted a new goalie in a year, the Flyers would have been built around him, then collapse since he isn’t a foundation. It has nothing to do with money, it’s that he wasn’t very good.

Wait, are we talking about 1997 or "future history of 2013"?

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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
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by Bud in TN on Nov 8, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The Eagles game had me depressed. The workload I have for this week has me even more depressed. Seriously. I almost want to begin student teaching just for something different at this point. I’m sick of doing research papers.

Also, it’s Tuesday Morning, Geoffie, not Monday Morning.

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by Justin F. on Nov 8, 2011 7:38 AM EST reply actions  

Actually it could be Monday Morning. I got hit in the face with a volleyball in gym class yesterday and with my workload all the days and hours have been running together. It could be Monday. I may not be the best person to ask. I really don’t know.

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by Justin F. on Nov 8, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Pusillanimous

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly I don’t even get mad or upset about them anymore. I’m done investing any emotions in that team while Reid still run’s the show. It’s certainly not all his fault, but a big part of it is.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 8, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

hiring castillo is all i fault him for at this point

by Rhayes on Nov 8, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s the Eagles. They were bad when my parents were growing up, they’re laughable while I have been growing up. I really expect nothing on a yearly basis, and I’m pleasantly surprised at how clueless this city is when it comes to football

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

They have the talent to be playing much better than they are—but stupid mistakes and questionable playcalling seem to be the hallmarks of this season to date. Also, the Bears are their Houston Astros as it were.

That being said, the city isn’t so much clueless as filled with eternal negatively-tinged hopes every year that this will be the year. It’s so anti-Philly.

"It seems weird but I drink. I drink when I work out. I literally hate working out. My friends ask me if I want to go hiking up Runyon Canyon in Los Angeles and I’m like, ‘Why? I have the new Kinect. Why would you want to go outside? Why would you like to climb up a mountain?’ I really do drink when I work out. I have to trick myself into thinking I’m doing something fun. I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I only say clueless because of the things I see at BGN, which I believe to be a correct representation of the Eagles fan base.

When I see very little criticism of Vick when his inadequacies are glaring as a QB, I grow suspect of Eagles’ fans intelligence

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I don’t really read BGN and I don’t think it’s a complete representation of the fanbase. Some of us would like to maintain our sanity. Every QB has inadequacies; Lord knows McNabb did. Vick makes some questionable decisions with the ball and last night could have had at least one big 1st down with his legs but stutter stepped. There’s no reason Briggs should ever catch him.

But Vick is not the only problem; so basing your entire opinion of Eagles fans on one area is suspect.

"It seems weird but I drink. I drink when I work out. I literally hate working out. My friends ask me if I want to go hiking up Runyon Canyon in Los Angeles and I’m like, ‘Why? I have the new Kinect. Why would you want to go outside? Why would you like to climb up a mountain?’ I really do drink when I work out. I have to trick myself into thinking I’m doing something fun. I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

True, but when nobody addresses that issue when they are skeptical of everyone else on the team (save for a view), my suspicions of their intelligence are spot on. They lack subjectivity

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but I think part of that is bourn out of the inability to do anything about it. Vick is the QB; he’s not going anywhere and there’s no real viable backup alternative. I just want him to play better.

I’m not as kneejerk as some; they are a young team and I expected ups and downs. What I didn’t expect were so many fundamental mistakes, careless ball handling, lack of tackling ability. That’s the stuff I find infuriating.

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

truthiness

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

What part of what I am saying is bullshit?

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

none

I would’ve said truth, but I believe truth is so bland. So I use truthiness

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

which i now realize is synonymous with dogmatic, so I guess I’ll choose another word

Veracity

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, bad luck. The Eagles are like the Phillies, and every team that has beaten them has been equitable to the St. Louis Cardinals in the 2011 Playoffs.

Much like in other sports, there is no known or quantifiable “clutch” skill in winning “close” football games, with close in this instance being defined as games where the final point separation is 7 points or less. In general, any given team will win about half of these games. The Eagles have had 4 games this season where the final point separation has been 7 points or less. They are 1-4 in those games. On the other side of the coin, the Giants are 4-0 in those games.

I’ll say it here because if I say it at BGN I will be flamed by the overwhelming amount of idiots there, the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles are a good football team that have been unbelievably unlucky. The Eagles are tied for last in the NFC East despite having the best point differential in that division.

There is hope for the Eagles. They have an easy schedule ahead, the Giants have a brutal schedule ahead. The Eagles meet the Giants one more time. The bad news is the Cowboys also have an easy schedule. The good news is the Eagles also face the Cowboys one more time.

Is there enough time for the luck to even itself out and the Eagles to win the NFC East? I think it is doubtful at this point just because of what little time there is left and the leaps the Eagles will have to make both in the standings and in terms of luck, but the Eagles true talent level is not that of a 3-5 team, rather more likely a 4-4 team or a 5-3 team.

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by Justin F. on Nov 8, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

last nights interception vick threw, was maybe the 2nd or 3rd that was his fought. Others were all tipped and ripped out/dropped by his Recievers. The percentage of tipped balls caught is usually low, but all of them were in the beginning of the year. However, last night the defense was horrible. Couldn’t even stop them on 3rd and 16. thats something to be worried about.

by Rhayes on Nov 8, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

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by Mitchell Green on Nov 8, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Max Talbot eats paste?

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by Cillo stache on Nov 8, 2011 7:52 AM EST reply actions  

Don’t knock it until you try it.

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by EREX21 on Nov 8, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t you?

Besides, those Quebecois are some odd people. Nothing would surprise me.

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I’m Quebecois, well second generation (but it’s the more embraced side of our family when referring to heritage)

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by Cillo stache on Nov 8, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that reinforces his point. :-p

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

;P ouch

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by Cillo stache on Nov 8, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You know you set yourself up for that, right?

:-D

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

that I did, only in foresight I see it now. Gosh.

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by Cillo stache on Nov 8, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Only the pastiest

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by boknows71 on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Tastes like burning!

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I was also a little confused when I saw “Monday morning” on Twitter and checked here to see if it was a typo or if in my half awake state I couldn’t read (not like I’m much better now cause I haven’t had my coffee yet)!… Happy Tuesday everyone!!

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by JLS89 on Nov 8, 2011 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

Scary stuff with Paille. Didn’t know Parros took a shot to the face this weekend, too. Geez.

Also, Geoff corrected the day of the week, but do you mean “eight years” instead of “eights year”?

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

Worst. Fly By. Ever.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I was watching that game last night when my wife came in just at that moment when Paille went down. After he was helped to the locker room and they zoomed in on his bloody helmet, she looked like she was gonna puke.

by mtitanic on Nov 8, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a Faces of Death fan I assume?

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by boknows71 on Nov 8, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

hah! Required viewing when I was a teenager, often with alcohol

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by btowl1818 on Nov 8, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true.

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by boknows71 on Nov 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

No. As a clinical social worker whose career is devoted to overcoming/ preventing domestic violence, she sees more than her fair share of the horrendous cruelty humans perpetrate in ever increasing creativity upon their fellow humans. Some of the things she’s told me are incredible. But she is squeamish when it comes to the sight of blood, whereas for me, not so much. Her reaction the first time I was successful at deer hunting made for an interesting evening.

by mtitanic on Nov 8, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s amazing how the interview process hasn’t changed over the years, and maybe players don’t want to speak to the media and answer the same questions every night. Personally, I think that would be a little repetitive and boring after a while. It goes back to what we were talking about during the whole Bryz incident and reporters need to ask more in depth questions.

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by JLS89 on Nov 8, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

Does it concern anyone that we’re 27th in the league in the faceoff department?

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by Philly C on Nov 8, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

It concerns me that people haven’t seen this mentioned repeatedly already and are still asking the question.

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by DLJr on Nov 8, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’s backhand is extremely potent today

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

You should see me in meetings this week, it hasn’t been pretty.

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by DLJr on Nov 8, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

are you leaving the front-handed dribbler that painfully dies out right as your opponent rushes to save it?

I call it the tear-drop

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m doing what I can

by Derek F on Nov 8, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

27th is better than 30th, where we were recently, so it’s progress!
/sigh

by Derek F on Nov 8, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

And now the non-snarky answer:

It doesn’t concern most of us because a high-team faceoff percentage doesn’t correlate strongly to winning. Here’s a discussion we had last week, and here’s one of the articles I linked to there that shows faceoffs aren’t very important.

Some care, and there are obviously situations where you want to win them (on the PK, final minute of the game, etc.) but mostly, it isn’t a big problem.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

For what it’s worth, the second one is a mostly useless analysis IMO. You should be trying to correlate FO% to shots allowed on the PK and shots attempted on the PP, not conversion %. Even 5 on 5, plot it against Corsi, Fenwick or shot differential, not goal differential. And if you are using it as a single variable to predict points, obviously it’s not going to correlate strongly as there are other factors that correlate more strongly. The question should be does faceoff % correlate to those other factors or improve a multivariate model for points. And the first link again concentrates on goals and % and if you are going to link to articles discussing better ways to view PP and PK success, you should rethink these analysis. Maybe it doesn’t tell you anything different, but I’m not sold on either being particularly conclusive of anything meaningful, especially the second link.

But hey, just my 2 pennies. FWIW, I don’t think face offs are a huge deal in terms of the overall picture, but it’s a decision the FO seemed to go with that frustrates me in general, especially since the team also gave up superior talent that went along with face off ability.

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by DLJr on Nov 8, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

These are all really good suggestions. But I don’t do those sorts of things, so this is what has been done :)

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah I know, I’m just pointing out as to why I don’t buy in to any of that as particularly meaningful just yet. I wanted to throw out a flip side for people who may just glaze over those links and take them as fact.

They are good starts, just not what I would use to draw meaningful conclusions from just yet. But in general, I view faceoffs as a nit pick, but I also enjoy picking nits.

Also if I haven’t sent Eric the Flyers swag by Friday morning, make me send it before we get on the road.

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by DLJr on Nov 8, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Hawerchuk did an article where he looked at the shot rate in the seconds following a PP faceoff win or loss, and integrated the curve to get the net value of a faceoff win. I’ll dig it up later, if I remember.

by Eric T. on Nov 8, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds kinda like strike-outs. Averaged out over the season they aren’t brutal but on a game to game basis, depending on the game state, they can be costly.

by j reed on Nov 8, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, I think that’s a good analogy. So long as we agree that a strikeout with 1 out and the tying run on 3rd still isn’t a big reason why a game turns out the way it does.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

O/T

But R.I.P. Joe Frazier.

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

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by j reed on Nov 8, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

OFF TOPIC

Please – today is election day! Go VOTE!!! (Early and often is my sceme.)

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 8, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Hence no school for me

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by Cillo stache on Nov 8, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And why it was easy to get around and park in Trenton today as well.

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by JerseyDriver on Nov 8, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Video/picture in the Paille story are horrifying, where the fuck was Staios aiming with that slapshot? the 17th row? Jesus what an idiot, hope Paille’s career isn’t over, his face has to be mangled.

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by DannyMcG on Nov 8, 2011 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

New DGB today. It’s painful for Flyers fans.

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by The Dark on Nov 8, 2011 10:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

It always is.

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That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 8, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Comes with the territory

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? I thought it was pretty tame; am I just becoming that desensitized?

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 8, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I think most of their shit is lame. If I wanted to listen to the same rehashed jokes over and over again, I’d listen to Dane Cook

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He sucks.

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Therein lies the crux of my analogy

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I was picking up what you were putting down, man.

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

In time, I will get the hang of this

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Which part is even relevant to Flyers fans? Richards? Leino? Those seem pretty straightforward.

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by Snevik on Nov 8, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably not a big deal, but just in case anybody who cares forgot, tickets for the Phantoms game at CBP went on sale this morning. I didn’t see it mentioned yesterday so I figured I’d throw it out there.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 8, 2011 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

I just took a look on stubhub. Cheapest WC tix are $500. Le sigh. But alumni game tix can be had for under $50. So that’s not too bad.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

The Phantoms games tickets are cheap, they only run from $10 – $50. So if I end up deciding to drop a couple hundred bucks on stubhub to go to WC, the fact that I already bought $20 Phantoms tickets isn’t really cost prohibitive.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 8, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I bought alumni game tix as my compromise. I’ll still be able to “experience” some of the festivities without going broke. LOL.

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that’s what I’m going to end up doing too. Also nice that the alumni game is on the weekend. Though even if I don’t physically attend the WC, I might take a vacation day on the 2nd to watch it. :-p

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I might get the 2nd off anyway….I’ll have to check.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

You might, we don’t get a lot of holidays at my job but we’re definitely off the 2nd.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 8, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Well we’re supposed to have 6 days off (plus a weekend) so that we’re closed from the 25th through the 1st. But it’s unclear what happens when both holidays are on the weekend. Last year people kept pointing out that we were only getting 5 business days off because of that, so they finally decided to give us Monday the 3rd as a holiday. But they didn’t announce it until sometime in December. I imagine the same thing will happen this year. I’ll start pestering them now.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I did.
I think I am more excited to see the alumi game anyway.

by ShannonB on Nov 8, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I might be going to the alumni game too, a friend of ours is tentatively planning to go and take us. But I bought the tickets to the Phantoms game while I still had control over where the seats were… cold or not, I have no problem going to two out of the 3 events. It’s not like I’m going to have the opportunity again.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 8, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I plan on inviting the boys over for the Winter Classic, opening up the windows in the house and buying expensive beer and ordering the food, possibly complete with some post WC NHL 2012 gameage

We all have our compromises

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 8, 2011 12:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The real reason bloggers hate interviews :

Because they require actual work. Meeting somewhere at a specific time to interview someone is a much bigger pain in the ass then finally working on why corsi is a relevant stat, after the 4th beer of the night at 11pm.

I hate when so called "advanced’ stats are pushed as the real driving factor behind games, and the human element is derided.

by BannedStreetBully on Nov 8, 2011 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve never heard a “journalist” say they like doing interviews, either.

Also, I’ve never seen the human element derided here—have seen it other places—but when it’s the main focus of any article, it limits the game. I see nothing wrong with wanting to education oneself if more information is available. Just buying the same crap that’s pushed out to us article after article—which, many times is the result of lazy journalism (or their inability to get anything out of their subjects, to be fair)—gets old after a while.

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I know three journalists personally, and whereas one works in a field where interviews don’t exactly apply; (She’s working for NatGeo in deep Africa), the other two (A husband and wife team who cover the Olympics) love interviews.

Small sample size, but it’s what I know.

I have seen the human element put down as being untruthful, either by bias or lies, at stats held up as always being true. It’s not the majority that feel this way, but a vocal minority.

Further, while I respect that effort is put out when we get our stats articles, it’s hard to disagree that any idiot who passed high school math couldn’t do the same. We appreciate the effort.

by BannedStreetBully on Nov 8, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Meh, it’s a slow day.

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by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Also thought about obvious troll is obvious, but, you know.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 8, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

lol
What makes this funnier, for me, is that I recently ran in a race that was part obstacle course and zombie-infested. One of the guys I was running with did the whole thing in a suit.

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by btowl1818 on Nov 8, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

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by j reed on Nov 8, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it’s selective perception talking, but you seem to keep making comments lately hating on the stuff that the masthead posts, and complaining about bloggers in general. I can’t help but wonder, if you have such a problem with the content and writers of sports blogs, why are you here?

Second,

I hate when so called "advanced’ stats are pushed as the real driving factor behind games, and the human element is derided.
Do you mean here or at some other site? I honestly don’t think that is the case here. Yeah, there’s lots of analysis and talk about stats, but if there’s been one overarching theme, it’s that Holmgren doesn’t understand the CBA stats aren’t perfect, eyes aren’t perfect, we need both to get insight into the game.

Third, I don’t see where that article talks about hating interviews. It doesn’t complain about being forced to do them. It’s also not pushing advanced stats or deriding the human element. It’s reflecting upon the frequent lack of useful information in the questions and their responses. Which isn’t surprising, really. You don’t want to give away anything that could hurt you or your team, so you learn to say a lot without really saying anything. But that doesn’t mean that the interviews are or aren’t enjoyable. And I’m sure how much a journalist enjoys an interview depends very much on the interviewer, the interviewee, and the situation. In the case of your friends covering the Olympics, I can certainly imagine that meeting and talking to athletes from all over the world could be a lot of fun. But maybe some people wouldn’t feel that way. Same with interviewing hockey players after games.

So I guess my point is, I don’t get what you’re complaining about.

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by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, there’s lots of analysis and talk about stats, but if there’s been one overarching theme, it’s that Holmgren doesn’t understand the CBA stats aren’t perfect, eyes aren’t perfect, we need both to get insight into the game.

True and hilarious. Oh man, can’t stop laughing.

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by KreiderDesigns on Nov 8, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Seconded.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 8, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Selective Perception.

Travis articles I usually dig.

Geoff’s a much bigger asshole here then he is in person. So am I, so it doesn’t bother me.

Eric is hard to hate on. He’s probably the big driving force convincing me that advanced stats are worth looking into.

I agree that the feel is that stats and eyes aren’t perfect. However, the push tends to be that Stats don’t lie, they can only be misread, and that players are too emotional to tell a true story.

by BannedStreetBully on Nov 8, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d like you to help me to decide whether to continue reading your comments on this subject. It’s just one question, with three parts.

Are you interested in having a serious discussion about the role of bloggers in a new world of an infinite number of virtual printing presses; are you interested in making a case against people partial to statistical analysis, and attaching that to the blogging phenomenon; or are you interested in a general personal attack, with some content as a focus point for that attack?

I’d appreciate some guidance.

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 8, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Not really. In broad terms, the reason I like blogs is that they’re free to do as they please, free of things that might constrain writers working under a more traditional format.

2. Yes. Advanced Stats have their biggest following amongst bloggers. Most print news articles rarely mention them, if at all.

3. No. I like most of the folks on here.

by BannedStreetBully on Nov 8, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Meeting somewhere at a specific time to interview someone is a much bigger pain in the ass then finally working on why corsi is a relevant stat, after the 4th beer of the night at 11pm.

So this desire to avoid work is limited only to those bloggers who are interested in advanced stats? If it’s more general, I suppose you can have it both ways. You can enjoy the results of freedom of constraint and also deride bloggers for their work ethic.

Thanks for answering.

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 8, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The desire to avoid work is why most bloggers come home from their day work and do more work on their blogs.

Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."

by Snevik on Nov 8, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. It’s a lot easier to hide a shitty work ethic in a day job at a large company (including large media outlets). You don’t work hard on your blog and it dies in plain sight.

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 8, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It’s the constraints of having to deal with an actual schedule, I think, that the problem occurs. Pronger isn’t going to wait by the phone all day hoping for a call.

by BannedStreetBully on Nov 8, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You said that bloggers hated interviews because they were “actual work” and that it was a pain in the ass to arrange and follow through with a meeting at a specific time (as opposed to the statistical work performed in a state of at least mild drunkeness at the midnight hour – at least you didn’t say anything about it being done in mom’s basement).

If you were just throwing out some sarcasm for humor and emphasis then never mind. Everyone does that and to get all worked up in response is stupid. But it seems like you’re serious about the point.

I haven’t spent much time at other Flyers-related blogs, but what I have seen elsewhere, and certainly here beyond any reasonable argument, is commitment and a willingness to work hard.

…And an ability to follow a schedule. The morning Fly By comes out in the morning. The game threads are up before the game. The recaps are timely. News events in the Flyers world show up in posts fairly quickly. The content offered here goes far beyond statistical wonkery.

Numbers are a part of the content here (although there is a lot more than statistical wonkery). I tend to treat all the stats with at most a reluctant curiosity and prefer my narrative-based study of the game. I also don’t agree with the editorial slant of the WSJ but it still might be the best newspaper in the country.

I just don’t see any connection between laziness on one hand and either a preference for crunching numbers or a desire to build and maintain a blog. As @snevik pointed out, au contraire.

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 8, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

addendum…

even if there’s some confusion at this site about the difference between Monday and Tuesday….

/s

by flyersfaninchicago on Nov 8, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Carchidi makes me facepalm.

Paterno tells reporter he’s “disappointed” news conference canceled. Yeah, and @MRichie18 wishes he could spend more time w media. #Flyers

"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 8, 2011 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Dear Philadelphia Newspapers Management

Please fire Sam Carchidi

Thanks

Everyone

GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009

by Bud in TN on Nov 8, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a bit misleading, Scott Paterno is the one who said he was disappointed.

Also, way to be an asshat, Sam. If Richie truly hated talking to you as much as you claim he did, there’s a good reason for it. And it stares you in the mirror every morning.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad research. He is now MRichie10.

Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."

by Snevik on Nov 8, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

He’d know that if he didn’t spend so much time at practice.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well who knows, maybe the reinvented MRichie10 doesn’t mind spending time with the media now that he doesn’t have to spend it with Sam….

Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 8, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Gold, Jerry. Gold.

Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."

by Snevik on Nov 8, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Carchidi is such a insufferable twat.

First off, it was Paterno’s son who said Joe was disappointed. And I would bet my life savings that it is true. Joe is not one to run away from anyone and I am sure he would have much rather addressed the media than have the PSU President, noted coward Graham Spanier cancel it last minute.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 8, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Blue Jackets Watch

Given the commotion over Andy Reid right now, even though since 2000 he has been in multiple playoff games and conference championship games, imagine the outrage if the Flyers had looked like the Blue Jackets during the last decade!

Oh wait, I forgot, I was a Phillies fans during several Decades of Despair. :-((

Seriously, are the BJs just going to ignore the fact that the cancer is now raging through 30% of their body? I mean, they just blew off Ken HItchcock and let him go to their chief rivals, probably just to save $1.3 million? What? Has Nationwide signed that contract for the arena yet?

GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009

by Bud in TN on Nov 8, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

At least Panotch is good for a laugh sometimes

Pronger changed shirts to do his interview today; shirt he came back with said: Go Screw Yourself

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 8, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

BREAKING NEWS

Danny Briere looks like Johnny Weir.

(sorry about size)

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Nov 8, 2011 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

a male olympian figure skater, so I imagine so

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Nov 8, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure if serious.

Also, he is not gay.

by mtitanic on Nov 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He is. Came out pretty recently.

"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell

Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66

Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates

by Chemistry66 on Nov 8, 2011 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Let me rephrase: I would not use the adjective “gay” to describe him.

by mtitanic on Nov 8, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That adjective is not nearly flamboyant enough to describe him.

Bob.

by The Dark on Nov 8, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He makes Liberace look Amish.

by mtitanic on Nov 9, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

No. He looks like McCartney. He’s insufferable with the stick penalties, but if you permit me to use my woman card for a moment, he isn’t bad to look at.

Johnny Weir, OTOH, is not cute.

"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He ain’t doing it for you, ladies.

Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."

by Snevik on Nov 8, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He’ll do anything for a Klondike Bar.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Nov 8, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

So I’ve heard…

"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Nov 8, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  


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