Wednesday Morning Fly By: Remember That Time Chris Pronger Returned To The Lineup?

by Travis Hughes on Nov 9, 2011 6:00 AM EST in Morning Fly By

Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...

Chris Pronger is likely back tonight. [CSN Philly]
Matt Read too. [Daily News]
Why physical play fuels Wayne Simmonds. [Daily News]
Jim Jackson on whether or not this quasi-break in the schedule is good or not for the Flyers. [CSN]
Patrick Burke is the brother of Brendan Burke, and the son of Brian Burke. He's also a Flyers scout, and this story is worth your time. [Leader Post]
Solving the NHL's shootout problem -- it's pretty simple. [SBNation.com]
Heard you were trying to visualize the entire history of NHL realignment: [Puck Daddy]
Why penalty plus-minus is a stat that's completely unheralded. [Backhand Shelf]
Do coaches have any influence on keeping their players out of the penalty box? [Hockey Prospectus]
A point/counterpoint on visors. [Flyers Faithful]

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I like the idea presented in that shootout article. Just makes more sense than a shootout ever has.

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by FlyerFan139 on Nov 9, 2011 6:36 AM EST reply actions

not to be that guy...

Eklund (ugh) reported that Coburn signed a multi-year extension, anybody have more info on this? I remember some outlets (TSN?) reported that he signed an extension in the summer, but that was quickly debunked.

Given only Eklund seems to have written on it, I’ll dismiss it as bullshit until otherwise informed.

by HeffToBeMad on Nov 9, 2011 8:15 AM EST reply actions

Wait, now it just says “Coburn WILL sign an extension.” I chalk that up to the need to make vague predictions to increase the likelihood they will come true. E.g. – The Flyers will win the Stanley Cup. The point here is I didn’t say when, so when they finally do win 20-50 years from now, my prediction will be correct.

by HeffToBeMad on Nov 9, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions

nice to see Couturier in the top 5 penalty +/-

he’s doing it right.

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by edesjardins37 on Nov 9, 2011 8:28 AM EST reply actions

Wait?!The Flyers actually play hockey tonight? Sweet.

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by Mitchell Green on Nov 9, 2011 8:44 AM EST reply actions

Wooo!!! And on Versus :)

/I’m selfish sometimes

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by JLS89 on Nov 9, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions

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by boknows71 on Nov 9, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions

Great article about Patrick Burke and his efforts in the GLBT community. I know that Sean Avery filmed that video last year (or during the summer?) but I wonder if the NHL would partner with MLB and film a whole “It gets better” series? Or do some variation of that series with their teams?

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by JLS89 on Nov 9, 2011 9:15 AM EST reply actions

Thee seem to be some petitions out there to try to get hockey teams to make them; but the Sharks already publicly declined a request to make one (boo). if enough people kept requesting teams to do it one of them might be willing to do it and get the NHL started, but it doesn’t seem like they’re jumping at the chance to do a series of them yet. But it seems to me that every MLB team hasn’t done one yet either, so I guess it’s up to teams for now.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 9, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah… I hope more and more teams start requesting to make a video. It would be a great offseason project since it’s slower, they can film and edit it for the start of the season. It would also be a great marketing tool and can be played for the opening day festivities… just my thoughts tho

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by JLS89 on Nov 9, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions

Today:

Jim Jackson on whether or not this quasi-break in the schedule is good or not for the Flyers. [CSN]

Yesterday:

Jim Jackson’s weekly feature, including whether the Flyers break will help or hurt: [CSNPhilly]

Hmm… :-p

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by hintzy64 on Nov 9, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions

Was it the same cat?

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by Eric T. on Nov 9, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions

It might have been. I'm not sure.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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by hintzy64 on Nov 9, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions

I think I’d be in favor of doing a 7-10 minute 4v4 OT period. If it’s deadlocked after that, call it a tie. I don’t mind ties, personally, but adding a couple minutes to the OT period probably would lower the amount of games that don’t see a winner.

Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!

by Vinny A on Nov 9, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions

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Yeah, I don’t know why the league suddenly started hating on ties. I see nothing wrong with them. I also don’t see a need for the charity point. After all…

You play to win the game!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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by hintzy64 on Nov 9, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions

While I would rather see ties rather than the stupid charity points, especially because the Flyers seem to struggle with the SO, I’m not going to lie, when I see a game going into the SO in gamecenter I always make sure to click over to catch it. They are so incredibly stupid to decide a game on but they are entertaining. I think the league is always looking for that “offensive” selling point and the SO helped create that entertainment value.

by youtastelikeaburger on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions

I personally, am not that entertained by it. In the context of the All-Star skills competition, yes, but not at the end of a game. But that’s just me. I know there are a lot of people (my wife included) who do like when it comes down to that.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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by hintzy64 on Nov 9, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions

I guess the major appeal to me is that you get to see who “wins” a game in the 5 or less minutes it takes for the shootout (strictly from a viewer entertainment standpoint, I don’t actually think we should be declaring winners based off a dunk content). I never want to see the flyers go to the SO because I could watch multiple OT games when they are involved. But I will be damned if I am going to watch a FLA-CAR game that goes into OT.

by youtastelikeaburger on Nov 9, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions

I agree, for the most part. I think shootouts are cool (I feel kind of dirty just saying that), just not when they involve the Flyers.

What3v3r.

by ww2b on Nov 9, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions

It’s mostly the fact that we’re using it to decide the game that bothers me.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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by hintzy64 on Nov 9, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions

Coburn Extension

4 yr/ $18 mil according to Panotch.

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by PraiseMartyMoose on Nov 9, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions

Damn, I guess Carle’s a goner.

by hebrew hammer on Nov 9, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions

I’m still hoping they keep both.

I was expecting them each to get somewhere in the mid-to-high 4’s, maybe over 5 if they hit UFA. So I’m at least content with this signing.

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by Eric T. on Nov 9, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions

Meh, lemme edit that. “At least content” is too weak. I’m happy with it. Not jump-out-of-my-chair thrilled, but it’s good news.

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by Eric T. on Nov 9, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions

Content is a good word. When I read it at first I thought it was 4 at $16, I was pretty excited. But alas, the pains of UFA contracts.

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by DLJr on Nov 9, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions

The signing isn’t bad, but our blue line is starting to get mighty expensive.

by youtastelikeaburger on Nov 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions

It’s actually good, I just got really excited when I misread the number, so I backed off to content. I’d love the team to figure out a way to unload Pronger in the next couple of off seasons, I know I’ll get killed for that, but he is getting older, and that contract is permanently on the books until 2017 unless the Flyers trade him; and I see that window closing fast.

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by DLJr on Nov 9, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions

Then we need to hurry up and win the Cup this year so we can unload him (read: his contract) before it’s too late!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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by hintzy64 on Nov 9, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions

It ain’t on Capgeek, so it doesn’t exist.

Even though …
http://phillysportsdaily.com/flyers/2011/11/09/braydon-coburn-signs-extension-with-flyers-2/

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 9, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions

http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/flyers-talk/post/Coburn-agrees-to-4-year-extension-with-F?blockID=590834&feedID=695

But I take issue with this –

His cap hit is $4.5 million – a very nice bump from his current two-year contract extension that was paying him $1.3 million.

IN what world was he being paid $1.3m? That was his LAST contract, Panotch you idiot.

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by MaximumTalbot on Nov 9, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions

The words “you idiot” are redundant.

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 9, 2011 11:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Could be worse. He could be Carchidi.

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by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 9, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, at least Panotch has some comedic value

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by Chemistry66 on Nov 9, 2011 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

But never as much as FakePantoch.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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by hintzy64 on Nov 9, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions

Gus injury?

The Tweets page is full of stuff on Gustavson, injured? Wha? When? How long? etc Guess I should visit Melter’s page, eh? Too bad there’s much work to be done, damn you work!

/likes being employed though

by Georgia_Flyer on Nov 9, 2011 11:41 AM EST reply actions

*Meltzer

by Georgia_Flyer on Nov 9, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions

I feel like we’ve been talking about penalties drawn vs taken for a while around here, usually when debating Carcillo, but it’s good to see someone else talking about and tracking it as an actual stat. And nice to see Scooter doing well there. :-)

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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by hintzy64 on Nov 9, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions

UGH!

I always hate the first game superstar player return from injury game. I have Lindros flashbacks. Flyers get get beat tonight. Only thing not cementing my prediction is that there was not a 4 day layoff. 4 days and up layoff guarantees a flyers loss.

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by MJDII on Nov 9, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions

Saw you in Franconia yesterday driving on 113…..

I'm kind of a dick.

by Vansteel on Nov 9, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions

I thought the name was familiar. We are renovating a building in souderton. You busy or is the weather change end your season?

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by MJDII on Nov 9, 2011 6:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions

For those in Boston ( I think there are a few), tonight’s prize at Barstool Trivia is 3 pairs to the Flyers-B’s game on St. Patty’s Day… it’s at Game On at 8. I would so go if I was still in the area :)

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by JLS89 on Nov 9, 2011 4:37 PM EST reply actions