Matt Walker on re-entry waivers, or, the silliest risk of the year so far
by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2011 1:04 PM EST
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Matt Walker is on re-entry waivers this afternoon, according to Renaud Lavoie of RDS. Our worst nightmares are all coming true.
On the surface, it's easy to understand why the Flyers would call up Walker: They're on the West Coast and they only have six defensemen. They need another guy as insurance.
But dig a little deeper and you'll see that this is the stupidest risk they could possibly take. It has nothing to do with Walker's status as a not-very-good NHL defenseman, but it has absolutely everything to do with his $1.7 million salary. The fear here isn't that Walker will be back on the NHL roster. The fear is that he'll be claimed on re-entry, and thus, the Flyers will be forced to pay half of his cap hit, against their own cap, for the remainder of his contract.
Walker has two years left on his contract at $1.7 million against the cap per season. Should he be claimed, the Flyers will be forced to pay $850,000 against the cap for the remainder of the current season, as well as next season. Once players come off of long-term injured reserve, that's not a number the Flyers will be able to handle against their cap.
I'd say the chances of Walker getting claimed are about 50/50. At $1.7 million, Walker is essentially untouchable with a ten-foot pole. Nobody will take that chance. But at $850,000, which is about the going rate for a sixth-or-seventh NHL defenseman, you can bet there are teams out there that need the help. The Buffalo Sabres, Anaheim Ducks, Montreal Canadiens and Winnipeg Jets all come to mind, and that's just off the top of my head.
I understand the need for a seventh defenseman. It's really, really important actually, especially when you're all the way across the country. We don't know what other options Paul Holmgren exhausted -- perhaps he tried to work a trade, which would also help explain losing Andreas Nodl on waivers, but couldn't swing anything.
Fine. Even in that situation, though, Walker isn't the smartest call-up. If you're going to risk the chance of paying salary against the cap for players that aren't on your team, you want to make sure that risk is as small as it can be. It'd be one thing if Matt Walker was far and away a better defenseman than the other options at Holmgren's disposal, but Oskars Bartulis is not any worse than Matt Walker. Maybe a little bit. The gap isn't that big.
Meanwhile, Bartulis also has a much more manageable salary. He makes $600,000 against the cap over the next two seasons, so if he were to be claimed on re-entry, the Flyers would only owe $300,000. That's a huge difference as compared to what they'd owe if Walker were to be claimed.
Let's just all hope and pray nobody claims Walker in the next 24 hours. The Flyers have taken yet another very silly risk here, and we'll have to hope it doesn't bite them in the ass.
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If he clears re-entry tomorrow, does he have to go back through waivers again when they inevitably want to send him back down? At full or half price?
He’d have to go back through, yeah. At full price, but the Flyers wouldn’t be on the hook for any of that money, so it’s not nearly as big a problem. And the chances of a team claiming him at $1.7 million isn’t a concern anyway, although I think we’d all prefer that just to get him off our backs.
The problem is the risk of possibly paying half his salary.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
There has to be more to it that we think. I’m sure Holmgren either has assurance no one will pick him up or he already has a deal worked out with the team that will be picking him up
by Nobody's_Got_Moves_Like_Jagr on Dec 1, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions
The former is plausible, but Homer has previously had guys claimed on reentry waivers.
The latter is implausible; once a team picks him up and owns him at half price, what incentive would they have to send him back and work out a trade where they give something up to acquire him at full price?
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I think the implication is that Homer lets a team claim Walker at half price so that he can trade that team something less valuable for a better asset.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 1, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
So…
“We’ll waive him. You claim him. If he falls to you, then we’ll send you Bacashuihua for a third round pick. If someone else claims him…ah, that’ll never happen.”
?
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Yea, it seems pretty unlikely but I think that’s what Nobody’s_Got_Moves_Like_Jagr meant.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 1, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Still seems like an unnecessary risk. How does he know he can take other GMs at their word? How does he know Walker will drop to the team he made a deal with?
I hope you’re right, but I’m pretty darn skeptical.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 1, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to believe the “there’s more to it than we know” argument, but all I can do is look back at Randy Jones. History tends to repeat itself with this organization.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Mmmm Liv.
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by JerseyDriver on Dec 1, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
2nded
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 2, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Nolan Baumgartner was even more useless than Randy Jones.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Nolan Baumgartner wasevenFAR more useless than Randy Jones
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And no, I am not channeling my inner MarioD.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 2, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
That’s how Travis picked the picture for this article; he’s trying to scare potential claimers off.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s why I’d disagree with Travis argument for recalling Bartulis instead of Walker. A seventh defenseman for 300k will certainly get gobbled up, but a slightly less crappy one for 550k more is less likely to.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I guess so. I mean, yeah, you’re right that Bartulis would be claimed. I just see Walker getting claimed too.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ya I guess I should have said “i hope there’s more to it” or maybe he is just so bad no one will take him. I wonder how it would work if a team picked him up and then sent him back to the minors in a couple week
by Nobody's_Got_Moves_Like_Jagr on Dec 1, 2011 1:34 PM EST reply actions
As much as we shit on him, he’s not THAT bad. He’s just HORRIBLE in comparison to his salary.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm …
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 2, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
The way I see it, yes, this is stupid. But Walker has a better chance of getting through waivers than Bartulis. $300,000 for a sixth or seventh defenseman? No team would pass that up.
I didn’t think anyone would pass him up at $600k before the season. They did though, and most teams aren’t like the Flyers in being so tight to the cap that the $300k savings would be significant.
The downside is 1/3 as large. Is he 3x as likely to get claimed? Maybe, I dunno.
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I would say yes, he is three times as likely to be claimed. Walker is arguably worth 850k, but Bartulis is clearly worth at least 300k.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Right, but that’s sort of implied. Some teams might even be willing to spend 300k on an eighth defenseman or for a stop-gap because of injury problems (you know, like the Flyers do). You could make the same argument against this that some people (me) did for Nodl: it is unlikely he’ll be claimed because teams have a lot of cheap depth in their system already and tend to overlook/not scout other teams cheap depth. Nodl DID get claimed; however, his NHL sample size was larger and uniformly valuable than Barty’s.
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Dumb Question
Why not just call up Kessel or any other Dman who wouldn’t have to clear waivers for the trip?
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You simply don’t trust them to play at the NHL level. I don’t think they would have recalled Walker short of a long road trip, where your seventh defenseman is immediately going in the lineup if there’s an injury. Whoever you have in the press box has to be ready to go.
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but even if he’s the 6th defenseman, your still not relying on him to do a whole lot. Just for an example the Islanders were short on defenseman the final 3 games of the year and gave out ATOs to college kids for each game. Two of the three were passable enough to take 10-12 minutes of icetime and not be totally out of place.
I mean for what other reason did they even sign Blake Kessel to a two way deal, except for situations like this? It wasn’t like they were in danger of him signing an NHL contract with anyone else.
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The Islanders had nothing to play for the final 3 games of last season and had no reason NOT to give try-outs to kids they could sign into their system. That’s not a very good analogy.
They signed him to a two-way deal because it’s two years long and he needs to develop. By all accounts, he’s not ready yet. Still, there was a chance that at some point in the next two years he would be ready in at least a fill-in capacity.
Maybe bringing Kessel up or anyone would have been the better move. I think I prefer it, personally. I’m just telling you why it didn’t happen.
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I thought I read last night that Kessel is injured for about a week.
Suboptimal timing to say the least.
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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 1, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Still have Lauridsen.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Per McManus:
Whether he’s claimed or not, this will be a big loss for an already depleted Phantoms defense. Walker had a goal in 10 games with the Phantoms this season and was arguably the club’s No. 1 defenseman.
If Blake Kessel can’t play this weekend, the Phantoms only have five healthy defenseman. Kessel missed the last game with an unspecified injury.
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I thought of Lauridsen as well; #12 d-man on the depth chart.
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Somebody is going to claim him just to stick it to the Flyers. I know it……..
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Not necessarily the case. He could sit in the sky box as a team’s 7th d-man. He doesn’t need to be in the lineup, just on the senior roster.
by Thomas Rzucidlo on Dec 1, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, but I don’t think the Flyers are enough of a direct threat to any one team, or injured enough by this one move, for teams to acquire him just to hurt the Flyers.
If someone thinks adding him at 850k helps their team, they’ll do it. Otherwise, they probably won’t.
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Most? Sure, I agree with you, but it just takes 1 team to claim him.
by Thomas Rzucidlo on Dec 1, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno about that, most teams have seven guys making over $800k.
$850k is reasonable even for the teams with payroll under $55M — the Avs’ 7th highest paid D is $1.1M, the Islanders’ is $635k, the Predators’ is $675k, the Hurricanes’ is $700k, the Stars’ is $1M, the Sens’ is $875k, the Jets’ is $1.15M, the Coyotes’ is $1.75M, and the Panthers’ is $675k.
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Would you like me to separate those between competent and incompetent front offices so you can see the trend?
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Heh.
But it doesn’t matter whether a team would be smart to claim him, only whether they would do it.
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I think I’m just being paranoid here, but whats to stop say, Glen Sather from going to say, The Jets and going “Look, if you fuck the Flyers here on the cap for two years and claim Walker we can consider it a deal ‘for future consideration.’” I mean, Can’t backroom deals be worked out in some political sphere in the NHL? It would certainly build relations between the teams that go in on it. Sort of like you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours. It’s not like the league could prove it.
I’m absolutely sure this shit happens all the time.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
On the plus side: if Walker is claimed, the Flyers are paying him 850k to not wear a Flyers uniform, which I see as protecting the Flyers from themselves
This is a quality move
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 1, 2011 1:42 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
Likely worth it.
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how much over the cap would we be if he is claimed, and pronger and lilja come back after there time on ltir?
A roster of:
Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Jagr, Voracek, Talbot, Simmonds, Schenn, JvR, Couturier, Lappy(LTIR), Shelley, Read, Zolnierczyk, Betts(LTIR), Rinaldo
Timonen, Pronger, Meszaros, Carle, Coburn, Gustafsson, Lilja
Bryzgalov, Bobrovsky
Would be $287k under the spending limit before Walker’s cap penalty, or $563k over it after.
That roster has 14 forwards, so they could send Harry Z down to get back under. But it’s clear that the next time there’s an injury and they need to add a guy for a couple days, they’re stuck again.
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Forces them to waive Shelley??
Pretty please…
by hebrew hammer on Dec 1, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
That would be one solution. Another would be to send Schenn down and call up Harry Z and Wellwood/Marshall (depending on whether the injury was to a forward or defenseman).
Or they could put Carle on waivers to gauge interest.
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Hahaha. No one would be interested in Carle!
by hebrew hammer on Dec 1, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Carle Meme
not sure if interested
let’s gauge their interests
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 1, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or, next time there is an injury, it HAS to be a long-term injury.
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by Eric T. on Dec 1, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s times like these where i wish we did a simulated hockey league
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 1, 2011 1:53 PM EST reply actions
I hope walker gets claimed… i’d rather him sit on our books than sit on our bench.
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by edesjardins37 on Dec 1, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Heh.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hit enter too soon. The Flyers are already out there. They flew out on Tuesday afternoon.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
At $1.7 million, Walker is essentially untouchable with a ten-foot pole. Nobody will take that chance.
C’mon Travis, it’s Christmas season. Nobody would touch Walker at $1.7 million with a thirty-nine-and-a-half-foot pole.
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by Snevik on Dec 1, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The three words that best describe Walker are as follows and I quote “Stink, Stank, Stunk!”.
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by jello44 on Dec 1, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He’s an appalling dump heap overflowing with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable rubbish imaginable, mangled up in tangled up knots.
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by hintzy64 on Dec 1, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The reason why players are not acquired on waivers (including re-entry waivers) so infrequently relative to the amount that bloggers such as myself think they will get used is that most teams already have a full roster. Yeah, teams have injuries, but players pass through waivers every day. Matt Walker at 850k isn’t a bargain. He’s maybe a bottom pairing defenseman. Plus, his salary is more than his cap hit, meaning a team that takes him on will be responsible for a $1 million dollar salary next season. You’d have to be a pretty desperate organization to think that you can’t find better on the free agent market.
I doubt very much that he will be picked up – I’ve been wrong about these things before, but I don’t think Flyer fans have to worry. Holmgren is probably the worst GM around the margins in the NHL, but I think he’ll skate free on this one.
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by Triumph44 on Dec 1, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I’m leaning towards this reasoning. I don’t think there’s a very high likelihood that he will be claimed.
It’s definitely a silly risk, but I’m not convinced the risk is that high. But why waive Nodl? By recalling Walker, you’re admitting a deal wasn’t and isn’t imminent. Did you really need to clear that roster spot prematurely?
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by Snevik on Dec 1, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with both of you.
If the Nodl move wasn’t to clear a roster space, if it was just because they preferred Harry Z as the 14th forward and Nodl gone to Nodl as the 14th forward and Harry Z as the 15th, then that’s just stupid. There’s no way the debatable-but-certainly-minor upgrade at #14 forward was worth giving a useful player away.
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If he waived Nodl because he was considering signing a guy, then that’s stupid.
You waive Nodl after deciding to sign a guy and agreeing to terms with him, not before.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 1, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
heh. yeah
In case you didn’t see the movie or remember the scene. The idea being Homer inexplicably drives into his own “jet wall” when he’s not racing against anyone.
Well..
I admit, I defend Homer a lot.. but this is nuts. Hopefully this happens:
Walker is claimed, Flyers pay 875k for the next 2 years, then demote Shelly to save $300K in Cap space, and play with 22 man roster. I mean, playing shorthanded is better then having Shelley on the ice right? someone can pick up the extra 2 min ice time per game.
I’d actually be quite happy with this scenario.
I just wish Homer would learn a thing or two from these scenarios playing out.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 1, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Paul Holmgren is a stupid ass.
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No, he’s truculent.
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by Chemistry66 on Dec 1, 2011 5:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shelley’s always been truculent.
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Definition: Bad-assery on skates
I know we’re possibly on the hook for 850K, but to get rid of what is widely regarded as a bum, clogging up the roster it is money well spent. Glass half full shit I guess.
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But, but, I thought it “wasn’t our money”, so why do we care if he’s overpaid in Adirondack?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’m looking at it as get rid of bad mojo. We’re eating 850K so obviously I don’t care about the money for nothing.
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I’m still thinking/hoping/praying he won’t get claimed, but if he does then the glass is nowhere near half full.
The pros:
- Reduces their contract total from 49 to 48 so the team could sign two free agents if they wanted to.
- Adds almost $2M to Ed Snider’s pockets by clearing some payroll this year and next.
- Removes the temptation to put Matt Walker on the ice.
The cons:
- Reduces the team’s cap space by $850k this year and next.
- Removes the option to play Walker in the playoffs if there are injuries or the rookie D aren’t up to it.
- The reduced cap space this year would mean that the team no longer has enough cap room to call up a minor leaguer for #7D and has to dump salary or send Schenn back to the AHL.
- The cap cost next year would make it even harder to resign Carle, with $51M committed plus potentially $3.5M in bonuses before resigning or replacing Jagr, Voracek, Carle, and Coburn.
I don’t see how the pros outweigh the cons unless you really care how much profit Ed Snider makes.
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It’s not even Ed Snider’s money anymore, but 4 bullet points to 3 is not really a landslide. The 850K is not chump change but is it really the difference between signing and not resigning higher priced guys? Next year were losing Shelley anyway so there is actually 1.1 that could go to potential contracts as well. And as much as I like having a heavyweight on the roster I doubt the Flyers are going to make that same commitment again to that position.
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And Jagr isn’t finishing this season so he is not going to be in the equation for next.
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Isn’t Coburn’s new contract in that 51 committed for next year already?
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Haha, I copy/pasted that part from something I wrote a couple weeks ago. So yeah, it’s actually 55.5M committed with Jagr, Voracek, and Carle needing to be resigned or replaced.
To your other points: surely as someone who doesn’t rely on stats, you can see that the quality of the bullet points might matter more than the number? I care a lot more about having the money to sign top-6 forwards next year than I do about having the contract space to sign two free agents this year when the team can already sign one if it chooses.
When you say “next year we’re losing Shelley anyway”, is that because you expect him to finally be sent to the AHL or because you didn’t realize his contract runs through next year? And even if he does get waived, the team will still have to replace him, so it’s not $1.1M that’s saved, it’s more like $200k.
As for Jagr, notice that I said “resign or replace”. If they don’t sign him in particular, fine, but they’re going to pay somebody.
And finally, you’ve ignored the point about this year. That 850k dead space means that as soon as there’s a minor injury, the team is back in a hole again, needing to make some sort of move to fill out their roster. I’m personally getting tired of that endless cycle of using up every available penny/roster spot and then having to give players and picks away to fix it.
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I actually thought this was Shelley’s last year. Oh well. And schenn and/or coots should be considered among the top six. So the top six are covered. Briere, hartnell, giroux, jvr, Simmons, then coots, schenn or vorachek.
The merry go round of contracts and waivers is tiring but if your ever gonna get off some sacrifices have to be made and they can’t all be positives benefiting the team. Its what they do after that makes the difference not worrying about what they had to do to get there.
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by MJDII on Dec 2, 2011 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just because I have to say this on every Walker-related thread...
Pat
Fucking
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
OK this is what baffles me
If the plan was that Matt Walker might have to go through re-entry even despite Nodl having to go through regular waivers. Why not put them through at exactly the same time??? Teams can only make one waiver claim at a time, so that means you give teams the choice of Nodl and Walker. I know who I’m taking if I’m a team just wanting to add some depth.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 1, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions
Teams can only make one waiver claim at a time
Is this true? I skimmed the CBA and didn’t see anything that suggested that.
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I think so. I drew the idea from the usual post-preseason waiver overloading – where most teams send down a few players who didn’t make the team at training camp. For some reason I was under the impression that teams could only make one waiver claim at a time. So if there were 30 players on waivers (one guy being sent down from each team) over a 24 hour period, a team couldn’t just try claiming 10 of them that they liked.
But I’m not sure. DragonGirl?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 1, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well, logically, they couldn’t claim more than they have open spots. Since teams have to have at minimum 20 guys on their NHL roster (minimum doesn’t take into account suspended players and injured players, hence NJ only dressing 16), the maximum is three. But I don’t know why they couldn’t claim multiple people on the same day.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that does make sense. I don’t know, I can’t find much on it so unless Dragongirl says otherwise it seems I just made that rule up haha.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 1, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you’re thinking about offer sheets? Or maybe you’re right. I honestly don’t know.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Even still, as soon as one claim is cleared doesn’t that immediately throw the team to the bottom of the waiver wire list list?
Nah, the NHL waiver list is set according to reverse standings, which don’t change at 12:01 p.m. :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
That sucks. My fantasy football league just instituted it this year after our resident asshole complained.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
You guys couldn’t overturn it? Or would that be deemed as collusion. The shit can get tricky esp. if your playing for money.
League voted for it. Can’t do much.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Nice.
But remember that I hate football. So in fantasy football, I keep my head down.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
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