Monday Morning Fly By: Needs Some Winter Classic Hype
by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 12, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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- Updates on Claude Giroux, Ilya Bryzgalov, and Chris Pronger: [CSNPhilly] [Inquirer] [delcotimes.com] [Washington Times]
- Sean Couturier won't be loaned to Canada for the World Juniors: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Jaromir Jagr played Santa in a Christmas commercial: [Flyers Faithful]
- The Phantoms lost to Portland 2-1 on Friday: [PostStar.com] Post-game notes and quotes: [Phantoms Forum]
- But they beat Rochester in overtime, 3-2, on Saturday: [PostStar.com]
- Allentown withdrew their eminent domain claim, killing the lawsuit brought by a developer. What does this mean for their arena plan? [Morning Call]
- A fantastic story on prospects, including why they are tough to evaluate and why they need patience. I cannot recommend this enough: [PostStar.com]
- Jakub Kovar stopped all 18 shots in a 5-0 win on Friday: [euroflyers]
- He followed it up by stopping 20 of 23 shots in a 3-2 overtime loss on Sunday: [euroflyers]
- A good story on how hockey players are great people, with little anecdotes about Danny Briere and Matt Calvert going above and beyond: [masslive.com]
- Why us stat nerds aren't surprised that Ville Leino is off to a slow start. Then again, us Flyers fans aren't really either: [Backhand Shelf]
- Revisiting what were claimed to be the best offseason moves from the summer: [Backhand Shelf]
- Arguing that the new playoff format is unfair. With numbers: [Hockey Prospectus]
- Using Mario Lemieux to look at how much a player can influence his teammates' shooting percentages: [Arctic Ice Hockey]
- Use the Toronto Maple Leafs' penalty kill to win the shot quality prize, since they give you a good opportunity: [Arctic Ice Hockey]
- Switzerland became the first country to pick a song for the Eurovision Song Contest 2012 this weekend. If you don't want to listen, just imagine if the singer from The Killers had a stroke that led him to make his hair all lopsided and start a ska band. Worse still, this song beat out BSH favorite Lys Assia. [YouTube]
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I really don't know if I would have rathered Couturier be loaned for World Juniors
On the one hand he’ll get a chance to play against quality junior competition – some of the best young players in the world – on a top line of one of the top teams. He’d get that offensive exposure we’re scared he’ll somehow lose because of the role he’s playing.
On the other hand he’s an NHLer, he’s getting experience in the pro leagues, he’s doing well in the situations he’s been given, and he’s an important part of the team (evidenced by Laviolette’s decision to put him out as the top line center when Giroux went down).
"He’s an integral part of our team," said Peter Laviolette. "I don’t know why we would loan him anywhere. It’s different for a player that’s in or out of the lineup, but Sean’s done a terrific job, a real nice job for us. He’s talented in many ways. It would be tough to fork over a guy like that."
I can see that. But are we making this decision for the short-term benefit of this injury riddled team? or are we making this decision based on Sean Couturier’s development? I would rather we focussed on the latter.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 12, 2011 6:14 AM EST reply actions
Maybe its just me, but I dont see how a player there scored as much as Couturier will suddenly lose his nose for the net? I know NHL goalies are better then junior goalies, but the few times Couturier have not been stuck with a combination of Harry z/rinaldo/shelley he have looked pretty impressive.
by Anders Jensen on Dec 12, 2011 6:39 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not about losing a nose to the net – more that he’s a 19 year old whose talents are still raw and those talents are not being developed at the moment.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 12, 2011 7:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s better that he stays up. He might hit a wall in terms of conditioning near the end of the season, that’s one thing – but as far as offensive development goes, I think his time of dominating the junior circuit is over. You can do things in juniors you simply can’t/shouldn’t do in the NHL. To develop his offensive talent for the NHL game, practicing and playing with NHL players seems the best shot.
He is at best expected to be the 3rd line center of the future. I think developing him as a checker and a PKer is more fine, he is not penciled in on the depth cart to be a 1st center line 30+ goal scorer. And he will get opportunities to play if players get hurt. You don’t develop scoring touch in the NHL. You develop strength and competitiveness. He is not going to forget how to do take a wrist shot.
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I think the big argument is that in his current role on the team, he is not getting the chance to learn what moves just won’t work in the NHL but do in the minors, offensively.
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by Mike B on D on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Just read on Twitter that Couturier wil be stepping into Giroux’s spot until G gets better. Even if it’s just a game or two, how cool is it for Scooter to center the top line with Hartnell and Jagr? Very col. Shows me that Lavy thinks highly of the kid.
I <3 our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Dec 12, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
He had a few great scoring chances against TB the other night. Almost felt bad for him, he did everything and just couldn’t get a goal.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
F him, people didn’t feel bad when that would happen to Nodl. I hate you all.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
by DLJr on Dec 12, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nodl isn’t 19 years old and adorable. Look at Scooter, he’s just a little baby!
I <3 our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Dec 12, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
"HEY YOU GUUUUUUYYYYYSSS!"
/greatmovie
by reaper1221 on Dec 12, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He looks like Sloth and Gloum’s hypothetical love child when he doesn’t have his teeth in.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Touché. He’s still just a little baby.
And I have nothing against Nodl, so don’t be hatin’ on me, man. I just happen to be a fan of Couturier’s.
I <3 our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Dec 12, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I felt bad, but we’re in the minority.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
that’s a healthy amount of hate
I approve
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 12, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Was just waiting for something to jump on today. I’ve been on the fence about being in a shitty mood.
But honestly, I’m mostly kidding. It’s just funny that people will feel bad for one guy and say another guy has hands of stone. Don’t get me wrong, Cooter > Nodl, but the excuses people are willing to make for some players; “well he is getting to the right areas he is just getting unlucky” but then other players “have zero offensive talent” make me laugh.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Or how some goalies flat-out suck while others would be great if they didn’t play for Phoenix…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
DLJr…he chooses his moods…at will
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 12, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
/feels like an innocent bystander
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Hey, no fair, I did! I haven’t even brought myself to change my twitter profile picture yet… I figure you’re just ranting for the sake of ranting, but still.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 12, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I am and joking; more so exaggerating for the sake of making a point. The same criticisms people will throw at a certain player they will twist to make an excuse for a player they like.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I counted one, but I know I was tough on one where I didn’t think he got his stick to the puck when it was in the crease. Zolnierczyk had two!
Tracking the Flyers scoring chances at Broad Street Hockey
Oh crap, was I thinking of New-Z when I said Scooter? Hmm.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
He had one given to him by Jagr on the doorstep and another that went towards the net off his skate but I didn’t count it. Regardless, he looked decent.
Tracking the Flyers scoring chances at Broad Street Hockey
Who had the shot that went off a defenseman’s pants while Garon was out of position?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Cuz that was when I thought “man, he can’t buy a goal tonight”.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
The one I’m thinking of was right at the end of the second when Timonen shot it, Garon saved it and it went of Scooter’s skates towards the net but Garon got his stick back on it. If it was blocked then I didn’t count it.
Tracking the Flyers scoring chances at Broad Street Hockey
He is at best expected to be the 3rd line center of the future.
He was the most prolific point producer in his class. This projection seems a little low, no? Especially when you have people penciling him in “safely” as an “average top-line center.” (IIRC, Pronman).
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by red army line on Dec 12, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, I’d totally missed that in lanci’s comment before. “3rd line center at best” is definitely low.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I considered the source of the comment.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I saw it, I chose to ignore it because addressing how wrong it was, was only going to raise my blood pressure.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Yeah, he’s an 8.5C prospect. Considering an 8 is a first-line talent and a 9 is an elite first-liner, if he’s only a third-liner, something either went horribly wrong or unbelievably right.
Bob.
by The Dark on Dec 12, 2011 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Then why’s he on the 4th line? He’s clearly overrated.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I agree with this. And you don’t spend a top 10 pick on someone you expect be your 3rd line center. There has also been a lot of anguish expressed about his linemates and Laviolette’s deployment and although I get that it might be part of a strategy to bring him in slowly. On the other hand he’s playing PK which to me is a lot of pressure.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 12, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yep I’m hoping lanci meant it in terms of Giroux, Schenn and Couturier will be our three centers with Couturier taking on the more defensive responsibilities. I hope.
And to say Couturier won’t ever be a 30+ goal scorer, considering scouts thought he had an amazing shot in juniors and considering his junior production…I can’t reply to that…
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 12, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Couturier’s on pace for a 14-9-23 season. Not spectacular, but Tyler Seguin was an 11-11-22 as a rookie, and Joe Thornton was a 3-4-7 in 58 games. 5-3-8 in 28 games is actually pretty good for a teenage rookie.
Bob.
Tyler Seguin couldn’t find a consistent roster spot on a very good (eventual Stanley Cup winning) team, which cut off his production. Same deal with Couturier, with the added note that his coach loves putting him out in the defensive zone and on the PK. Most top level prospects come into the league on teams that suck and those teams chuck them out on the top line in the offensive zone and enjoy their production (think Ryan Nugent-Hopkins) – it’s an entirely different sort of development for the player who enters the league on a cup contender.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 12, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but Seguin did play 74 games at 12:13 ATOI. Couturier’s averaging only half a minute more per game, with the PK time included.
That was part of what led me to use Seguin, because he did have a somewhat similar first year – not relied on to be the star, picking up time with the organization in an assisting role, with respectable but not excessive ATOI. A Crosby or a Nugent-Hopkins or even a Skinner didn’t have the same sort of role.
Just for the hell of it, ATOI in their rookie season for guys who entered the league at 18 and are still playing:
Crosby 20:08
Kovalchuk 18:32
Bogosian 18:06
Duchene 17:44
Sbisa 17:29
Nugent-Hopkins 17:16
R O’Reilly 16:46
Skinner 16:44
Bergeron 16:21
T Connolly 16:18
Gagner 15:41
Gaborik 15:26
Stamkos 14:56
J Staal 14:56
Kane 14:00
Nash 13:57
Lecavalier 13:40
Burns 13:29
Horton 13:20
Couturier 12:47
Seguin 12:13
Hartnell 10:54
Bob.
Yep fair enough.
I’d say that Scott Hartnell guy eventually recovered from his 2 goals in 75 games as the #6 overall pick rookie campaign, at least with his current 41 goal pace…
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 12, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
It may simply be a risk versus reward situation. For a team with so many injuries, the risk of injury to Couturier during tournament play outweighs the benefit of him playing at that level of competition especially when he is already playing in the NHL.
If Brzy doesn't do right by Bob I'll kick his $51 million ass across the WFC.
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So just for pure speculation purposes, let’s just say that Pronger feel into the same situation as Lappy…where he never played again, the team could LTIR him every season to clear cap space but doesn’t that money count against the cap the following year?
I was discussing Pronger over the weekend with someone and this came up and since I am not a cap expert and too tired to look it up myself I figured someone far smarter than I could answer it for me.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Wouldn’t it be similar to Rathje?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 12, 2011 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t remember what happened with him. Besides being not very good.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I lived near San Jose in 98/99 when Rathje was with the Sharks. He was outstanding back then. Never did anything flashy, but he was one hell of a stay-at-home D-man. Big, physical d-man who was awesome when it came to positioning.
When the Flyers signed him, I was thrilled. Little did I know, his bones were about to crumble into dust. Damn shame.
If I’m correct, the only issue it causes has to do with the bonus cushion, which doesn’t apply this year. If we are “over the cap” for the next 7 years or whatever is left on Pronger’s deal because he is on LTIR, then the use of the bonus cushion (if it is still around in the new CBA) will lead to a bonus penalty the following year, much like the 1.4M the Flyers are saddled with this year.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Bonus cushion and LTIR are two separate things.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
But they impact one another. If you are over the cap due to using LTIR all year, then any bonuses that would have been applied to that years cap are tacked on as penalties for the next year’s cap.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
If the cap is $65M and a team has $1M in bonuses…
Scenario a: they spend $63.5M on active players, $5M on LTIR players
Scenario b: they spend $64.5M on active players, $5M on LTIR players
Scenario c: they spend $63.5M on active players, no LTIR
Scenario d: they spend $64.5M on active players, no LTIR
Which scenarios result in bonus penalties, and in what amount? If LTIR is irrelevant, then scenarios a and c would mean no penalty and scenarios b and d would mean $500k penalties. If LTIR is relevant, then it may be that scenarios a and b mean $1M penalties and scenario d means a $500k penalty.
I know what I believe, but I don’t know why I believe it, so I’ll let an actual expert answer. :)
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I don’t have a specific section from the CBA to quote at the moment, I can maybe look at lunchtime, but I was thinking the same thing as you Eric. My reasoning is that if the bonus cushion is in use, then bonuses are not being applied to the daily cap and are being withheld from cap numbers until the end of the season. If the team is using the LTIR exemption the entire season, then the bonuses would be forced to carry over to the following season.
I guess that could change if bonuses can be included as being paid in the LTIR exemption.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll try to type up a huge explanation later if I feel better, but you can see CapGeek’s archive from last year and get a better idea of how the calculations worked out in the meantime:
http://www.capgeek.com/archive/team.php?team_id=24&year_id=2010
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by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 12, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
It would be great to know the actual amounts and stipulations of some of these bonuses, but I guess teams keep a tight lid on that.
So the Flyers ended last season with about $79k in actual cap space, but the bonuses put them over the cap, hence the penalty for this year. I guess the difference with Pronger would be that his salary is significantly larger than Lappy’s and would be more likely to be in use throughout the entire year, leaving a potential for 0 cap space at the end of the season.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
The trick is that the LTIR credit is only for the amount that you actually exceed the cap by. So since we were weren’t actually exceeding the cap for the entire year, our final LTIR credit is only for the amount we exceeded the cap by at the end and not the full amount of Lappy’s salary. I don’t think my headache will allow me to make a truly coherent explanation right now, so the CapGeek tracker page is the best resource.
There are a whole lot of variables in this area, though. I feel that at least one of either the LTIR rules or the Performance Bonus rules will somehow be different in the next CBA, if not both.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, don’t overdo it. I understand the way the LTIR exemption works, just not sure how the bonuses are factored into and affect that exemption and the following year. I’m working off the understanding that in a normal year (with a cushion) the bonuses do not apply until the end of the season.
The following example is based on the way the bonuses played out last year, and as you said, likely to change with the new CBA:
For next year, with the players already signed there is $4,561,627 in cap space before applying the bonus cushion, and $8,116,627 after applying the cushion. If Carle is re-signed for the same price as Coburn, and Voracek is re-signed at a $500k increase, and Zolnierczyk for the same salary as this season, the Flyers are still $1,666,627 under this year’s cap (assuming Walker is waived, again). If Pronger is injured and forced to stay on LTIR all season, then Matt Walker likely takes the #7 D-man spot with his $1.7M salary and the Flyers are back into the exemption, where they will likely stay all season, using the LTIR exemption space to bring in short term injury call-ups.
In that situation, or a similar one, they will effectively end the season at the limit of the cap, likely spending even more than that on salary. If every single bonus is also achieved under those circumstances, they could be looking at a maximum bonus overage penalty of $3,555,000.
Obviously the penalty won’t be as severe as the cost of a top 6 forward or a top 4 defensemen each year, but I still do not like the prospects of having to deal with situations like that for 5 years of Pronger on LTIR.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
It comes back on the cap during the offseason, and they put him back on LTIR day one. The money would never count against the cap during the year.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
So is it just money they have to pay him but it never counts against their cap in any season?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
it’s intended to curb your free agent spending during the off-season. that’s the negative I see
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 12, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
To clarify, it always counts, but they’re allowed to spend extra to replace him. But in much the same way it counts in the offseason cap calculation, it also affects the total amount of payroll committed for the following season, which is used when calculating the amount of money available to sign mid-year extensions for other players.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Re: Eurovision Swiss pick
Sinplus = U2 wannabe
If Brzy doesn't do right by Bob I'll kick his $51 million ass across the WFC.
And yes, I'm a female redhead.
so I was looking at a potential 2014 Winter Olympics Men’s USA team
I’m feeling pretty damned good about this team
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 12, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions
Did you happen to look at the potential 2014 Canadian Winter Olympics team?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
nope, because the way the U.S defense and goalies are shaping up, the U.S stands a very good chance to win
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 12, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
The prospects article is really interesting and gives a nice perspective on the players as people. I always enjoy viewing the players as “normal” people. It reminds me of the Shelley story from last season when someone (I want to say Mikefive?) saw him after the game with his family when he had a huge black eye.
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I’m so tempted to get tickets for tomorrow night’s game in DC. I don’t think I have any more school work to do. I’m not used to this feeling. Until I have my degree in-hand, I’m not sure I believe it yet.
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“Voracek” could be a nickname for a body cavity. JVR a filthy acronym.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 12, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
GIROUX UPDATE – Flyers GM Paul Holmgren on Claude Giroux: “Claude is continuing to feel better. He will not travel with the team today and will be seen by our doctor again tomorrow.”
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Well fortunately the game is not until Thursday. But definitely no sense in rushing things.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Flyers play the Caps tomorrow. ;)
So if he is not traveling with the team, I guess we can rule him out against the Caps.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Dec 12, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
They do? How the hell did I miss that? I looked at their schedule earlier and thought I saw the next game on Thursday vs Montreal.
So I guess G isn’t playing tomorrow unless he travels in the AM? Like I said, no sense to rush him.
Also, Sid the Kid is out indefinitely with concussion like symptoms.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Don’t worry, I missed it too until I got an e-mail from the NHL this morning telling me to go buy tickets because the Flyers were coming to DC tomorrow. Since I live down here, Flyers @ Caps are the first two games I look for when the schedule comes out. And I completely forgot it was this week.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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in·con·ceiv·a·ble/ˌinkənˈsēvəbəl/
Adjective:
Not capable of being imagined or grasped mentally; unbelievable: “inconceivable cruelty”.
i keep saying it because i was lambasted for syaing hed be out in less than a month of returning
That would be a joke. And a movie reference. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
He must not be Sicilian.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 13, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
i called him being the next lindros/priemeu when he didnt return in under 6 months….i mean i havn’t done much stat gathering but i havn’t heard many players come back from a 6 month concussion hiatus and have a lengthy career
So…you missed the career of Patrice Bergeron? Paul Kariya?
Yes, concussions have shortened or ended the careers of plenty of players including Lindros, Primeau, Kypreos, Deadmarsh, Beukeboom…but usually they compounded the problem by rushing back to play without being fully healthy. As much as it would suck for this year, it might be best in the long run for Crosby to not come back this season.
Bob.
G not going on road trip?
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inqflyersreport/Couturier-replaces-Giroux-on-Flyers-top-line.html
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Stupid autoplay! I hate articles on philly.com!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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Sorry.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 12, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Not your fault. Unless you’re the philly.com webmaster.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Not the last time I checked … although that would explain why the site is so screwed up.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 13, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
From Philly.com
Simmonds has done more harm for this team than good so far. Get rid of him.
— bushmciworlcomenron
Good times
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
So much for keeping the blood pressure down.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Philly.com is the gift that keeps on giving.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
That guy is a complete troll. Whatever he can possibly say that makes the least sense, he will.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 12, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
The Allentown Situation
We speculated in an earlier thread that the tenant who the city was trying to remove not only had an axe to grind, but possible legal standing to stall the eminent domain. By the actions of the city dropping the eminent domain claim, it appears we were right (ignore any statement by the city, notice what lawyers do, not what they say). While Geoff and I might enjoy turning this into a business law blog (along with Eurovision, of course), the main takeaway for us as Flyers fans is that, given the legal quagmire that is likely to develop, along with a lot of mud-slinging, it appears that it will be several more years before the Phantoms move to Allentown. Enjoy those trips to Glens Falls, everyone.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I like the fans there, so I’ll be pretty happy if the Phantoms stay up there.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
But that new mascot has to go.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Dax? I kind of like him after being at some games. Though put anyone on a 4-wheeler doing spins on the ice and I probably feel the same way.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Has anyone bought tickets to the Alunni game? If so, have you received the tickets yet?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Yes and no. Though I ordered tickets for all 3 events, so I’m not sure if that changes anything, but I haven’t received any of them yet.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
After thought I’m going to let this slide.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Or the lack of knowledge that season ticket holders were forced to buy tickets for all 3 events; it was all or none. Oh extortion, you come in so many forms.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I had to be entered into a lottery to get my WC tickets, I only had to buy the alumni/phantoms games.
Course I’m only partial so…
And I still haven’t gotten my tickets to those games, but I have my WC tickets.
This station is non-operational
IT'S TEBOW TIME!
On the twitterverse
I know a few season ticket holders who refused to by tickets because of it. People have been pretty pissed between that and the handling charges on the tickets.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I think it was about 23 dollars in fees, per ticket. It is a bit ridiculous, but I think it’ll be worth it.
This station is non-operational
IT'S TEBOW TIME!
On the twitterverse
I wouldn’t not get them, but since I got them, I’m now not replacing my stick for hockey which is starting to crack in the toe of the blade. I may be back to a wooden stick sooner rather than later.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Yes. No.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Ok. Cool. Just want to make sure that I get them because I’m super excited. Also they were supposed to be an x-mas present.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Dec 12, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I should clarify, I got mine on stubhub, so they’re not coming from the ticket office. But the estimated delivery date for me is December 28th, which is says is “based on delivery method (FexEx 2 day) and when the seller expects to receive the tickets.” So that makes it sound like they haven’t been sent out yet by the Flyers.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Right on. Thanks, my man.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Dec 12, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ordered mine a month ago and still haven’t received them yet myself.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I e-mailed them to ask and they said there’s no set date. If I haven’t gotten them by the 26th they said to call.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Dec 12, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
So I read something about a fan festival (I assume it’s Winter Classic-inspired) in Philly from 12/31-1/2. It’s free. What’s that all about? Sounds like fun.
I <3 our rookies.
If it is anything like what they had in Boston, it should be a great time. Music, food, pretty much a winter carnival.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Dec 12, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
FLYERROB was banned from BSH for disagreeing with the clique here about Zherdev, apparently. (Per Raw Charge)
I thought it had to do with Hitler comments or something….
I'm kind of a dick.
Not to continue harping on it, but he makes the people here, and Travis, look silly to those that don’t come here often….with these ridiculous defenses of his….
I'm kind of a dick.
Agreed, but then in 2 months he makes everyone here look like saints for putting up with him as long as we did after everyone at the other blog catches on.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
If there were advanced statistics to measure states of consciousness, his online persona would have an outlier gap between how he perceives himself and how he is perceived by others.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 12, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
But look at how many “offensive zone” starts his posts have!
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
by Bud in TN on Dec 12, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
.
I kinda want to go set the record straight, but I know that is a bad idea. They’ll see his true colors soon enough.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
He was warned 3 comments into his membership there. Justin F explained his deal to them, and he retorted by saying the only reason he got banned from here was because he said Zherdev was lazy, and all the “cool, in crowd” here were Zherdev supporters. Hilarious.
I'm kind of a dick.
In fairness, he didn’t say he was banned for saying Zherdev was lazy; he said he was banned for making comments that were unpopular here but true, one example of which was his critique of Zherdev.
My favorite part is contrasting his insistence that his comments were unpopular but true with the actual historic record where the discussion was always “you can’t say what I’m saying is TRUE or FALSE ~~ it is an OPINION”.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Also hilarious: the actual reason he got banned was mostly because every conversation on here became all about him, and it was derailing the productive hockey talk. In his first conversation on Raw Charge, I think he’s made it eminently clear how that works.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
On slow days I do miss him, but not enough to allow him back permanently.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
The guy in charge of Raw Charge is aware of his shenanigans definitely, especially that has not only multiple bans but multiple warnings from other SBN hockey blogs.
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Dec 12, 2011 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I haven’t noticed him on the ice at all this year.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
He only gets active when his wife’s car and a metal pole are involved!
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Guess I’m not part of the cool in-crowd … not that I find that particularly surprising, really.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 12, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Really it was just the “cool, in crowd” pointing out that while people said how great Leino was and said what a lazy, poor defensive, enigma Zherdev was, Zherdev had the better metrics for D play, moving the play forward, etc.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
originally read Hitler as Himmler
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 12, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
So my parents were in town this weekend. They took my kid out for lunch on Saturday.
They suggested going to a hamburger place that’s pretty good. He said no, he wanted a cheesesteak.
They took him to the cheesesteak shop, where he ordered a hamburger and Tastykakes. Hahaha, suckers.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
You know, outside of Philly, it’s pretty easy to get a cheesesteak (YMMV on quality) but VERY difficult to find Tastykakes. Years ago, every once in a while you used to be able to get Tastykakes in the 12-pack in California.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I may drive down from TN. :-))
/jk. I think.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Much easier.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 12, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
There are Steelers and Ravens collectible tins. That’s traitorous, no?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 12, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
at least the Phillies are local. I thought I remembered a Phillies-Tastykake connection when I was a kid, on the radio. I’m trying to remember whether the voice I’m hearing is Kalas or Ashburn or Gene Hart.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 12, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
“Flyers score for a case of TastyKakes …”
That sound familiar?
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 12, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
yes, and “Brian Propp for a case of Tastykakes” many times. Perhaps it’s early onset dementia but I can hear the baseball guys as well. They had a home run inning and someone sponsored it. Maybe it was the Daily News “Daily News Home Run Payoff” was that it? That rings a bell. “Mr. I. Will Felch has won $500 in tonight’s Daily News Home Run Payoff.” Or MAB paints?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 12, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been muling Tastykakes into the midwest for years. There’s a local steak shop whose proprietor asks for such service whenever he needs some.
There are 66 Tastykake items listed on eBay right now. Actual food. 61 are in new condition, five are unspecified.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 12, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
True story: there is a store in Eugene that I used to drive by but never was brave enough to enter whose sign read “Bean Curd Factory Outlet”.
Mmm. Tofu irregulars.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Holy crap, I just looked ahead a little bit and the Montreal and Boston games later this week are both on NHLN. That makes six consecutive games (starting with Buffalo last week) that are televised in my area. I don’t know what to do with myself. (And I’m sure my wife doesn’t know what to do with me either.) I haven’t seen this much Flyers hockey in such a short time span since high school.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
And on the other hand, this means that I will be relegated to watching on a crappy stream since my expensive gamecenter live won’t let me watch :(
This. Thanks for the ripoff, NHL.
I might be able to see the Boston game out though, since it should be on NESN up here.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Boston. And I live in a crappy old loft in Chinatown, so I have no access to cable either.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
That’s unlucky. I’m at school at Tufts and we don’t even get Versus unfortunately. I hate watching Jack Edwards, but it’s better than nothing.
Yea, I have a great place, but the cable issue is the biggest downside. I was pretty lucky with the crappy streams last week though.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and since even Versus is on a premium tier for me, I’m sort of left in the lurch, and of course GCL is useless for me right now. For a lot of personal reasons, I’m pretty legalistic about not using streams. But the NHL should learn from other industries (music, for example) it is not a good idea to frustrate legally-intending citizens.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I’m inclined to agree, but I’m not sure where the line is between how much the NHL can control and how much is run by cable & satellite providers. I’m sure they both have a share of the blame, but there are so many layers involved between the NHL, the TV networks, the providers, and whoever else. For me, Versus is a regular old cable channel, just a few numbers above the Food Network and the Weather Channel. I realize that’s probably due to the fact that I have Comcast, because I also don’t have to pay for a sports tier to have the NHL Network, but I don’t think either Comcast or the NHL intended for it to be put on a premium tier.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 12, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
NHL can control and how much is run by cable & satellite provider
These are the same entity.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Hey, bloglords!
You OK with virtual holiday cookie exchange thread (fanpost or fanshot)? There have been a few requests in my potato chip cookie fanshot post and I have a new baklava recipe I just tried that turned out fan-TAS-tic.
It could be a swinging party. Vansteel and hintzy can bring the wine. LOLz.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I know! I’m sure I’ve gotta bring my own since I can only drink white…
As for that thread doubleh, my opinion doesn’t hold any authority whatsoever, but if you clearly mark it as off-topic it might not be a problem. Or maybe a general purpose holiday off-topic thread, so it can encompass both cookie exchange and general holiday ramblings? Okay that’ll happen anyway, but at least the title could reflect it. Just thinking out loud, though.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Will do. Hey, I like white, too. As long as its fairly dry. Reisling or vouvray?
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
by doubleh on Dec 12, 2011 10:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You do realize dry wines aren't like dry counties - they still have alcohol
/not fond of dry wines
The only red I’ve actually liked was a Sonoma burgundy.
Bob.
When I say dry I mean not too sweet. The sweet ones give me headaches. I hated reds at first; they grow on you, like some of the posters here.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
by doubleh on Dec 12, 2011 10:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Samsies. When I first tried wine, Chardonnay, Merlot, and Cabernet Sauvignon were the only ones I could name, and they were all far too dry. Thought I just didn’t like wine at all. White Zin was the first one I liked. It was my gateway drug. And now I like the dry stuff and think White Zin is too sweet and doesn’t have much flavor/body.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Perhaps a Zinfandel, Shiraz, or Malbec for The Dark.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Zins are hit or miss with me. Haven’t tried Malbec or Shiraz yet.
Bob.
by The Dark on Dec 13, 2011 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
However, a good Sangria will make up for almost anything…
Bob.
by The Dark on Dec 13, 2011 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
:) I’m good with anything that hasn’t been heavily oaked and isn’t syrupy sweet, although dry would be much preferable. Of the two I’d take the vouvray first, but I’d enjoy them both.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 12, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll bring you a nice, dry Riesling or perhaps a VA Chardonnay.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Ooh, or a drier Gewürztraminer.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Ding!
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 13, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
You’re just jealous cuz she loves us more.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
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