Claude Giroux won't travel to Washington
by Travis Hughes on Dec 12, 2011 3:03 PM EST
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The Philadelphia Flyers are boarding a train to Washington D.C. this afternoon. Claude Giroux won't be with them. After taking that knee to the head from Wayne Simmonds on Saturday night, Giroux didn't practice and will miss Tuesday night's game at Verizon Center. Paul Holmgren announced the news after practice today.
Sucks. We're all fearing the worst here with a possible concussion, but let's just hope they're keeping him out as a precaution. As we know from Sidney Crosby's case, these head injuries can be weird and it's right to be extra cautious when treating them. Sometimes symptoms don't pop up right away, either, so it's important that the team does their due diligence in tending to Giroux.
Missing a game or two or even three right now is worth it in the long run. The Flyers can get by without him for a few games. And hey, this gets Sean Couturier off the fourth-line, and we'll finally be able to see what he can in an offensive role. Things aren't all bad. Get well soon, G.
In other news, Ilya Bryzgalov is fine and will more than likely play on Tuesday night.
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Get well soon. Remember that Crosby is more the exception than norm
by ThatsGoodKoolAid on Dec 12, 2011 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Things aren’t all bad.
That fourth line will be all bad, unless they bump Talbot down to clean up after Shelley and Rinaldo.
They will properly only play 3 lines most of the game and the 4th line will play like 4 minutes.
Why dont put Bob in net and let Bryz be 100% ready?
by Anders Jensen on Dec 12, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, you’re probably right. Too bad we don’t have a cheap dependable 4th line player who could push the play forward, while our offensively minded players rest.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
One is injuried, the other was giving away for free the Hurricanes and the 3rd is playing for the Wilds.
by Anders Jensen on Dec 12, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot about Betts! Though I guess we tried to give him away too…
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Worst is a line of Nodl-Betts-Powe would be a very very very good 4th line
by Anders Jensen on Dec 12, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
True. Maybe we should call up Sestito to make tomorrow night’s fourth line absolutely worthless, since that seems to be Homer’s intentions.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Sestito would have to serve a 2 game suspension first :)
by Anders Jensen on Dec 12, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
That would qualify as ‘worthless’, no?
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 12, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Our league leading MVP running stud center is out and you guys are worried about the 4th line, silly geese.
by kckrebs on Dec 12, 2011 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well so many people keep saying that anyone (including their dogs) could fill in and put up great numbers on that top line with Jagr and …. oh shit.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I’m mildly intersted to see if Hartnell manages to do anything useful in G’s absence. Jagr, I know, will be degraded somewhat but still good – Floppa I’m not so sure about at all.
And my dog is rather talented on ice, thank you.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 12, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Im not worried about the 4th line, its more amused about how good it could have been.
by Anders Jensen on Dec 12, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
And then people would claim “those guys suck, why else would they be stuck on the 4th line?” It never ends.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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True, most people dont know how good Powe+Betts was on the 4th line and how good Nodl was on the 3rd line was Richard.
by Anders Jensen on Dec 12, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I guess some are amused easier than others…
by kckrebs on Dec 12, 2011 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s crazy the depth the Flyers have, because even with Schenn and Giroux out, I feel like this team is competitive, but that fourth line gives me a reason to worry. Tomorrow’s game should be interesting.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Who is on the capitals 4th line? Hendricks, Beagle and Eakin come to mind but anyone know who they’ve consistantly put out in a 4th line role? And how much they’ve played? Been productive?
by kckrebs on Dec 12, 2011 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re right in that regard. I didn’t recognize the name of any of the fourth liners in the Pens game the other day and I would be surprised how many fourth liners around the league, who aren’t former Flyers, that I could name or recognize.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I really wasn’t intending to be right necessarily. I was honestly just wondering who they will, for the most part, be lined up against. A Hendricks Rinaldo go could be pretty exciting. Especially when you think of how awesome Hendricks black eye was on hbo last year. Hopefully we can see Rinaldo give him another one?
by kckrebs on Dec 12, 2011 5:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gotcha. I thought maybe you were reminding me that fourth line isn’t as important as we pretend sometimes. So while I think I know what could be best for the Flyers’ fourth line, around the league I’m still very clueless.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 12, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hendricks is injured… doubt he’ll be in Tuesday. If you’re looking to pick a fight you probably want to chirp big lumberjack John Erskine. (Beagle still out too with concussion from the Asham fight)
(The caps fourth line will probably be Eakin – Perrault – Knuble)
We don’t understand it, either.
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by red army line on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Knuble, Jeff Halpern (who’ve both been great), Mathieu Perreault, Jay Beagle (out, concussion), Matt Hendricks (recently hurt).
Expect to see
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Semin
Eakin-Johansson-Brouwer
Chimera-Laich-Ward
Perreault-Halpern-Knuble
Our fourth line has actually, I’d say, been the most impressive one. They’re killing it in scoring chances in soft minutes with hard zonestarts (well, some of them). 3rd line is getting outchanced but has been outscoring so far, top line hasn’t really gotten it going (hopefully these last couple of games weren’t a fluke), and Eakin’s been good, but Johansson and Brouwer are doing too much passenger stuff and not enough driving.
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by red army line on Dec 13, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you very much. I can’t believe knuble is on the 4th line, that doesn’t bode well for us. But whatever throw the kids into the fire see if they get burned. I’m honestly a lot more worried about Ovi, he’s been a flyer killer, something like 37pts in 23 games. Yikes, and backstrom has been looking good of late too. Should be an interesting game though. But I’d really like to see bryz get a break for the bob, Probably not gonna happen though.
by kckrebs on Dec 13, 2011 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I donno, The Harry Z, Scoots, Rinaldo line is pretty damn good. They do a lot more then last years 4th line(Powe, Betts, Shelley) on both offensive and defensive sides.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
I think they’re also asked to do more, because we no longer have two lines of heavy lifters. It’s arguable whether the overall talent level of the team increased, decreased, or stayed roughly equal, but the top-tier players (Giroux’s breakout notwithstanding) are not quite as elite overall as the combination of Richards and Carter and young Giroux.
Bob.
Wouldn’t that comparison simply come down to Zolnierczyk v. Powe? And how does Z do a lot more than Powe?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 13, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t it Nodl-Betts-Powe (hypothetical 4th line) vs. Zolnierczyk-Couturier-Rinaldo (2011-12 4th line) vs. Powe-Betts-Shelley (2010-11 4th line)?
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 13, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
So what your saying is that Roo might have a booboo (all Frenchmen play the same) and Bryzys booboo is alright?
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The Flyers’ FO says he’s getting better and he’s staying home as a precaution. Which probably means he’s getting his head amputated tomorrow.
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No we already learned that when they say a player got a knee virus it means they got a concussion, so consussion must mean he is getting his spleen removed.
by Anders Jensen on Dec 12, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i am fully terrified :( giroux would be the sure front runner to win the art ross but this injury will hit his chances :(
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It’s eluded us for far too long!
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by hintzy64 on Dec 12, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Fantastic screenname.
I have on my office wall two of the photo mosaic posters the Flyers gave away before games back in like 99-00 or something like that. One of them has the signatures of all the captains at the bottom and the mosaic makes a Flyers logo. Aside from the Stanley Cup, two other trophies are pictured in the mosaic: the Lady Byng and the Presidents’ Trophy. Neither of which we’ve ever won. And the Presidents’ Trophy is upside-down.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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Never got the Calder for top rookie either.
Could THIS be the year?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Maybe if RNH goes missing for a few months…
I root for the All-Hype Team.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 12, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
[in best mob voice] I’d feel terrible if anything…unfortunate…were to happen to him.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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At least for tomorrow, I’d rather he sit whether there is actually something wrong or not just because rest is better no matter what. If he played, I feel like he’d still be doing a lot of heavy lifting and I don’t want to watch that and worry. I’m freaking out a little though, I’m not going to lie. At least I didn’t have to see the hit that caused it, since I wasn’t home Saturday night, I’d probably be even more worried if I had.
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My fantasy team is literally falling apart. Visnovsky, Reimer, Pronger, Staal and now Crosby and G spot too. With the possibility of Bryz nursing something or other. Its rather amazing I’m still middle of the pack.
by kckrebs on Dec 12, 2011 3:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yet another game Eden will find an excuse to miss.
Bob.
by The Dark on Dec 12, 2011 4:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Its a real shame to see Crosby’s career turn into Lindros’s life more and more. Nobody deserves that, and now I’ve seen two guys that could have been better then Gretzky have their careers shut down for long periods. I’m not gonna worry about Giroux cause concussion safe still in the minority of injuries, and most players DO come back(sans maybe the fighters). So I’, still gonna be positive about G until proven wrong.
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Both Lindros and Crosby were/are excellent hockey players – among the best in the world. That said, neither Lindros nor Crosby could have been better than Gretzky. I don’t know if we’ll see anyone with his vision for quite some time. Crosby comes close, but he’s no Gretzky.
Take it from someone who is old enough to witness and appreciate the special talent that Wayne Gretzky was.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I usually put Orr as tops in the history of the game too. The guy revolutionized his position. I mean there’s no arguing with Gretz’ talent or vision but Orr was ridiculously special in his own right. Think of what his career numbers would be if not for his knees.
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by KreiderDesigns on Dec 12, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
If Orr’s knees held up all these discussions would start with “Who’s the second greatest hockey player ever?”
Watch everyone else’s highlights and they look like they’re the best player on the ice. Watch Orr’s and it looks like he got dropped into the play from 20 years in the future.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 12, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
I never saw him play firsthand, because I wasn’t born yet. But he is listed as the greatest skater of all time.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
And since Orr wasn’t in the discussion earlier (it was Lindros and Crosby, both of whom were going to be “better than Gretzky”), I didn’t mention him.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I was just agreeing with mtitanic saying that I’m not old and I see him as the greatest ever as well.
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by KreiderDesigns on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
As Kreider notes, in terms of being someone bringing a new style to the game, you could count Lindros ahead of Crosby – but in terms of talent, I would switch the rankings. I’d also feel you were being horribly remiss in not including Super Mario Lemieux in any list of the greats, especially since he was better than either Lindros or Crosby. And the parallel (while not exact) with injuries forcing breaks in a career … well, few can equal Lemieux coming back from Hodgkins.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 13, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Ehh, Lindros was jaw-droppingly good, wasn’t he? As I recall when Ovechkin was good and putting his name in the top-5 of every scoring list, Lemieux, Lindros (pre-concussion), Gretzky, Bossy, and Selanne (early on and now) were the only guys ahead of him.
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by red army line on Dec 13, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think you’re looking at PPG:
In his first seven seasons with the Penguins, Crosby scored 572 points in 415 games for 1.378 PPG.
In his first seven seasons with the Flyers, Lindros scored 600 points in 431 games for 1.392 PPG.
Over their first seven years, Greztky, Lemieux, and Bossy were better. That’s the list, as far as I can tell.
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Thank you for mentioning Bossy, him orr and clarke are my favorite players that I wasn’t able to actually watch during their actual careers. Bossy was a BOSS!
by kckrebs on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Although it obviously blows weiners that Giroux is hurt, i’m excited to see what Couturier can do on the first line. He had some bad luck on Saturday night with scoring chances that he couldn’t cash in on but he clearly showed a serious nose for the puck and a great offensive mind. He’s going to score tomorrow night. Bet it.
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by edesjardins37 on Dec 12, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Terry Murray didn’t have a pure enough Philadelphia-West pedigree.
/If one of their goalies gets hurt, watch them go after Esche or Cechmanek.
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it’s that locker room cancer Richards again. /s
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 12, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Richards is going to be a beast for the rest of the year.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I think they’re considering hiring someone new. Stevens is just an interim right now.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 12, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Per Panotch:
Flyers think Giroux has whiplash.
GM Paul Holmgren just said that it’s not headaches that are bothering Giroux but “whiplash” effect in his neck
I guess we’ll take what he says at face value, but if that’s so and it means no concussion, it’s a bit of a relief. I think…
I root for the All-Hype Team.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 12, 2011 7:50 PM EST reply actions
Maybe I’m a skeptic, but I’m not sure that actually means there’s no concussion. It would be really nice if it does though.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 12, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Could be minor, could be major if he indeed has whiplash. The motion his head made was similar enough to what happens when you get rear-ended.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I think it’s at least a possibility, even if they don’t always happen together.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think I saw that ~90% of concussions are from initial impact, ~10% from whiplash, at least in hockey.
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by red army line on Dec 13, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll admit I’m nothing close to a doctor and am just basing this off of general optimism that seemed to be coming in regards to the results. Reimer and Miller are the only two guys I can think of that have had “whiplash” so far this year and they’re both back, so who knows…
I root for the All-Hype Team.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 12, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
MIN goalie Josh Harding currently has whiplash and has missed a few games. He was clobbered pretty good. If I recall correctly, he hit his head on his own goalpost when someone ran into him.
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by LeepinLizardz on Dec 13, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, I know I have my fair share of moments where I act like a know-it-all, but sometimes I hate being right…
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More #Flyers Holmgren: “(Giroux) will be out indefinitely with a concussion.”
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by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 13, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
There appear to have been no headaches from the minute the injury happened up till now (if we believe Homer) – given that I’m breathing a little easier.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 12, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
At the very least it is better than a confirmed flat out severe concussion. Even if he could still have one. I’m skeptical too, but this certainly isn’t the worst thing that could have happened. and it seems reasonable enough.
Then again a knee virus….
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by Ed Van Chimp on Dec 12, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
So prongers knee virus turned into a concussion and now girouxs concussion has turned to whiplash? Tomorrow the concussion will turn into staph infection I’m guessing..
by kckrebs on Dec 12, 2011 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Flyers never said Giroux had concussion-like symptoms; that’s just what everyone’s afraid of.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 12, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Green got hit in the head with a puck and ended up with an ankle injury, so I guess stuff travels.
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by red army line on Dec 13, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Flyers think Giroux has whiplash.
Well then Lavy should stop working him so hard!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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Well then Lavy should stopworking himhitting him so hard in the back of the head while making a point on the bench!
FTFY
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by JerseyDriver on Dec 13, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
What is Schenn’s status? I always assumed that if you were injured, you didn’t travel with the team. Harry Z posted a pic on Twitter tonight of Schenn and Rinaldo on the bus in DC.
by lava96 on Dec 12, 2011 8:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Schenn is on injured reserve. Beyond that, I haven’t heard anything.
I <3 our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Dec 13, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
As much as this sucks……
I really want to see the 24/7 episode of this.
by AlaskaFlyersFan on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 AM EST reply actions
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We take all the flyers coaching staff and fire them, we steal Mike Richards and have Simmonds infiltrate and then take out Giroux… yes the King’s plan to destroy the Flyers is working perfectly…
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