Tuesday Morning Fly By: Take A Moment and Fondly Remember Joffrey Lupul Today
by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 13, 2011 6:00 AM EST
in Morning Fly By
Email
PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...
- Paul Holmgren said Claude Giroux is suffering from whiplash, not a concussion: [CSNPhilly]
- Sean Couturier looks to fill in for Giroux on the top line: [CSNPhilly] [Inquirer] [Philly Sports Daily] [delcotimes.com] [The Checking Line]
- It's a good thing the Flyers are being cautious with Giroux: [The Hockey Guys]
- This is just another injury the Flyers need to deal with: [Philly Sports Daily]
- The Flyers and Capitals have played some intense hockey for a few years now: [CSNPhilly]
- Ed Snider was inducted into the US Hockey Hall of Fame yesterday: [Inquirer] [Phillly Sports Daily]
- What can be done with Johan Backlund? [The Checking Line]
- The Future Flyers Weekly Report starring Brendan Ranford, Ricard Blidstrand, and Shane Harper: [Flyers Faithful]
- Power Rankings this week show that St. Louis needs to be watched: [SB Nation Philly]
- The Kings fired former Flyers head coach Terry Murray and named former Flyers head coach John Stevens the interim head coach: [Puck Daddy]
- John Tortorella is complaining about the 24/7 cameras: [SBNation.com]
- Travis weighs in with a great look at why enforcers need to be removed from the game but not fighting: [SBNation.com]
- Comparing Minnesota Wild head coach Mike Yeo with Tim Tebow shows how improbable it is that both "just win": [Backhand Shelf]
- From Ben: Having been in many a press conference/scrum, the "talk about..."ers are the bane of my existence. I don't know if I would have said "[t]he repeated Kabuki of the group press conference is institutional dehumanization," but he's not far off. [ESPN]
162 comments
|
Add comment
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
what in the hell did I just….read?
Proud provider of the PECO Power Play.
by coheedandtbs on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
I suppose I thought I would get it after reading the “article”
I guess in some way I do
Proud provider of the PECO Power Play.
by coheedandtbs on Dec 13, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
oh please
Dance shoes runs coming from a undesireable veins much like the bloodstream that can pumping systems our team upward by carrying out a gameplay
“Bearded robots drink from Uranium coffee cups on Saturn’s ring.”
-Ginsberg
Maybe he reincarnated? Or was uploaded?
"If it keeps Mike Milbury off TV, then bring on the 1-3-1," Bob McKenzie
by Mike B on D on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
3/4 of internet = carnality ⇒ uploaded
bad wolf is bad—————————————————————————————————————————-bad wolf is wolf
-———————————————————————————————-[I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by
-——————————————————————————————————————madness, starving hysterical naked…
….who ate fire in paint hotels or drank turpentine in
Paradise Alley, death, or purgatoried their
torsos night after night
-—————————————————————————————————with dreams, with drugs, with waking nightmares,
-——————————————————————————————————————alcohol and cock and endless balls…]
-———————————————————————-bad wolf is blue————————————————————————
I played hockey growing up, I never got into any fights because fighting isn’t allowed through college. That said I did take part in an everyone on the ice brawl which was mostly pushing and shoving with some pulling guys off each other. To that end, I always thought that fighting was just a part of the game and it needed to remain that way.
The older I’ve gotten the more I’ve realized that it’s not really a part of the game at all outside of the simple fact that it exists. As Travis nicely points out, most fights occur between enforcers, guys whose one skill has absolutely no impact on the game itself. Sure there are times when a guy who actually has skills get’s in a fight, and heck I would venture to say that those fights probably have more of an impact on the game as it’s either done for a specific reason, and the guys fighting usually bring some skill to the game so them sitting in the box for 5 minutes can be seen as detrimental. I bet this has happened but maybe not, but suppose Talbot get’s in a fight and then right after that someone on the Flyers, probably Briere, commits a stupid stick infraction and draws blood. Now the Flyers are on a 4 minute PK without one of their best PK players. All because he got into a fight. A fight, which technically is against the law everywhere outside the confines of the rink itself.
Ok now that I am off my soap box I will simply end with the inarguable fact that Gary Bettman is an idiot and that I how he would feel if he got punched in the head a few times. There isn’t enough data to make a correlation between CTE and Hockey Players? Ok how about other guys who fight for a living? There are plenty of them with tragic endings as a result of those hits to the head. You don’t need to be Sheldon Cooper, or even his lesser regarded friend Howard Wolowitz to know that punches to the end can and do cause life altering problems long after someone steps away from the game. To say otherwise, either because of a lack of data or arrogance is both ignorant and dangerous.
Get rid of it. If there was never another fight in a hockey game I wouldn’t bat an eye, I bet most of you wouldn’t either.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Dec 13, 2011 7:40 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
How to drop the enforcer
I also like Travis post, and I would be glad to see the enforcers gone. I like the fighting, which is why we really have it. Fans like it. That said, there’s a difference when Coburn, Simmonds, or Hartnell fights, instead of Shelly, etc.
So here’s what I say. Automatic suspensions for fights. After 5 fights in a season, you miss a game. After 6, you miss 2 games. After 7, you miss 5 games. After 8, you miss 10. After 9, you’re done including playoffs. I think that’s fair. That leaves room for the real “tough” guys when things boil over, but it takes out the pro fighters. It doesn’t kill the fan draw of fights. It would be good to have it in the lower leagues too, but maybe not necessary if there is no nhl job for fighters anymore.
Honestly, the way the game is and has been moving is away from fighting. Guys are paid too much money to be getting hurt in a fight or pulled for 5 minutes. Cap space is getting too tight for many teams to squeeze in an enforcer wit no other skills. When the league starts to use the replay more often and more consistently I believe there will be less of a need for players to “enforce the rules” on their own.
It will also help when the league get’s over the “no blood no foul” mentality.
"If it keeps Mike Milbury off TV, then bring on the 1-3-1," Bob McKenzie
You’d think the cap would have eliiminated the role completely. That it hasn’t makes me believe the motives for keeping it around are rooted in sentimentality. The role itself contradicts the amount of skill it takes to play hockey. It makes no sense from a pure sport perspective as these players routinely demonstrate a paucity of the basic athletic attributes required to play the game.
I agree that sentimentality is a likely culprit. Trying to hang on to the way the game used to be 20+ years ago.
As I’ve said many times, there are probably some fans for whom fighting is the main attraction to hockey. I hate to lose any fans, but I don’t think they’re really here for the hockey. There are plenty of other places to watch fighting on TV, it’s even on VS so you don’t have to change the channel. But I think there are a much greater number of people who are turned off by the fighting and therefore won’t watch hockey because of it. I really think reducing and/or eliminating fighting will help grow the sport’s popularity in the long run. But that’s just my opinion, I’ve got nothing to back it up.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I have to agree. It has to be sentimentality. Look how long the Flyers clung to the Bullies persona. Despite it not working, they grasped those glory days for dear life. How many very good teams were held back by Clarke’s love of big, lumbering defensemen?
Slowly I think teams are realizing this. Players are wanting more money, so every dollar needs to count more and more.
"If it keeps Mike Milbury off TV, then bring on the 1-3-1," Bob McKenzie
by Mike B on D on Dec 13, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Not all teams are up against the cap limit, though, and if you can get enforcers more cheaply because they are in less demand and if they bring a certain part of the fanbase to the rink more often they can actually be cost-effective for the franchise. And if such a team has one or two of them it makes it a little harder for other organizations not to match that.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 13, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh sure, just look at Detroit who’s been very competitive forever. Where would they be without their enforcer? Or Toronto last year when all they had were fighters?
Winning brings in more people and sells more merchandise. Who sells more jerseys? Shelley or Crosby? Who fills a stadium faster, Stamkos and Crosby or Laroque and Shelley? Look at Dallas back in the 90’s, everyone likes a winner. That’s why you see Cowboys fans all over the place. And, as has been pointed out time after time, enforcers fight other enforcers. You would never want to see Crosby and Shelley on the ice at the same time. So who does he beat up on, on the odd chance he plays at all?
I’m not against fighting entirely. But the time of the enforcer is over.
"If it keeps Mike Milbury off TV, then bring on the 1-3-1," Bob McKenzie
I agree with all of this. I just think that some teams will be more likely to hold onto the enforcer role longer if they look around the league and see a dozen or so teams doing so, and low-cap teams can make a more entertaining product for a certain aspect of the fanbase by having the enforcer personality, at relatively low cost.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 13, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, but I think the Islanders are going to benefit from having an enforcer more than the Panthers or Blue Ducks will.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 13, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Because of who they play, or who else is on their roster?
And yes, those Mighty Jackets….
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 13, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I haz embarrassed.
Because of the attitudes of their fans.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 13, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
oh that. the “entertainment” portion. yes, of course.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 13, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Get rid of it. If there was never another fight in a hockey game I wouldn’t bat an eye, I bet most of you wouldn’t either.
/applauds
Thank you, sir.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Ill join you in the minority kckrebs, id also venture to guess the majority of the players are in the minority as well.
I have no idea what majority opinion is on this. For all I know, the people who wouldn’t mind eliminating fighting could be the minority.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I would think there would be more people pissed about fighting being banned then there would be fans jumping for joy that they dont have to watch a fight during a 60 minute hockey game. Maybe there are some people that it disgusts so much that they cant watch it because of the chance of a fight happening but I doubt it outweighs the true hockey fans that absolutely love to see a scrap.
The only real example I can make personally (NHL related) would be Derek Boogaards days in Minnesota. The fans were completely nutso about that guy, and it was fricken awesome. That place got louder for a boogeyman fight than anything else. It excites people, and the last thing the NHL needs is to lose anything deemed exciting in the game. Maybe hes an exception considering its the state of hockey or whatever, but I would be ridiculous dissappointed if I never got to see a fight in the NHL again.
Some of us enjoy it. In fact, every time there is a fight, the majority of the stadium is on their feet and cheering. What you think of those types of fans is completely irrelevant. They are needed to keep the NHL alive. Taking the fighting out won’t bring in a whole new breed of fans, but it will definitely make a lot of the current fans lose interest. Don’t be so quick to change the game.
Has the league or a third-party ever tested this idea? If fighting is banned x number of fans would stop watching and x number of people would start watching. Another interesting would be to track fan attitudes about fighting over time. Are fewer people on their feet during a fight than there were 20 years ago? Do more fans say they wouldn’t miss it?
If I were the commissioner or an owner I’d want to have information about this.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 13, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
there are men and they are top men,
top heavy men
/sister philly blog meme stolen’d
/ oldie but goodie’d
For every fan who no longer goes because they banned fighting there is a new fan who is allowed to go because his or her parents are worried about introducing violence to their young child.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Not sure about that, but winning brings in more fans than fighting (see the AHL, for example. Fights every game, but only the marquee winners bring in the fans).
Red Line Station and @RedArmyLine, featuring coverage of the most frustrating team in the NHL
I believe in next year.
by red army line on Dec 13, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I am sure of it. I’ve been told as much. In fact I recently spoke to a guy who said he won’t bring his kid to an AHL game because it’s too violent. He told me this at a Hershey Bears game this past wekeend.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
That’s one fan, not
For every fan who no longer goes because they banned fighting there is a new fan who is allowed to go because his or her parents are worried about introducing violence to their young child.
There were a whole lot of Frank “The Animal” Bialowas jerseys sold, and every game I’ve ever been to (NHL and AHL) had the majority of the fans on their feet during fights. Most hockey fans enjoy the fights. It’s the reason why you can buy DVDs of nothing but hockey fights, and why you have websites devoted to hockey fights. I’m sure “pretty goal scoring & great skater” videos exist, but I’ve never seen one in stores.
Personally, I think the league has already gotten too pussified. Most of your so-called “stars” today would never make it into the NHL 20 years ago. Guys like Lindros would have killed them. They added too many teams, too quickly. The talent pool got too watered down, and now rather than admit it, everyone wants to ruin the game to accomodate the watered down product. I don’t go to games any where near as much as I used to because it is a shell of what it used to be. If they take out the fighting, I’ll never bother watching hockey again.
People who want no fights & high scoring should check out a basketball game. Perhaps that would be more to their liking?
There’s no doubt that a lot of fans like fighting, that a lot of fans stand and cheer when one happens. But how many of them would really stop watching if fighting were removed from the game?
I doubt anyone here can conclusively show whether that number is larger or smaller than the number of people who don’t introduce their kids to the game because of fighting. I wouldn’t be surprised either way.
Small sample size alert: my wife was concerned for this exact reason when I got tickets to take my five-year-old to some Sharks games. We went anyway, so I’m not part of either category, but I’d imagine there are plenty who don’t.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
The talent pool got too watered down
One could argue that the improvement in talent is one of the reasons the enforcer is being marginalized. Players with more skill are filling out the bottom half of the lineups. Post-lockout rule changes that favor mobility are perhaps a greater factor but still..
If they take out the fighting, I’ll never bother watching hockey again.
Given how little fighting there is, why bother watching now? This statement seems to make you a fan of fighting, not hockey.
People who want no fights & high scoring should check out a basketball game.
Here you are completely ignoring the constant level of hitting in the game, during the course of play. I think there is more real hitting in the game than there was 20 years ago. The game is faster and defensemen are less able to grab and hold on the rush or in front of the net. It’s a more intense, violent game now than it was then. Fights often dissipate energy that has collected during play. Hard checking during play increases the tension and energy.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 13, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
One could argue that the improvement in talent is one of the reasons the enforcer is being marginalized. Players with more skill are filling out the bottom half of the lineups. Post-lockout rule changes that favor mobility are perhaps a greater factor but still..
The salary cap is the reason their role in marginalized, and in all honesty, I don’t really care about that. Granted, I loved watching the Dan line wreak havoc, but I don’t need that to enjoy the game. However, if fighting is removed completely, in my opinion, it will just open the door for all the little punks who I don’t want to watch. Guys who dive, guys who take cheap shots, etc.
Here you are completely ignoring the constant level of hitting in the game, during the course of play. I think there is more real hitting in the game than there was 20 years ago. The game is faster and defensemen are less able to grab and hold on the rush or in front of the net. It’s a more intense, violent game now than it was then. Fights often dissipate energy that has collected during play. Hard checking during play increases the tension and energy.
Faster means nothing to me. I actually enjoyed all the clutching & grabbing in the 90’s because watching guys like Lindros & Leclair throw them aside like rag dolls was amazing. As for tension & energy, I go back to my point about high scoring games. The most tension I’ve ever seen in a game was when the Flyers & Pens needed 5 OT periods to score one goal.
I get it, what’s right for me isn’t for everyone, but if they want me to keep ponying up $100 for a ticket, they need to keep the fighting in the game. It doesn’t have to be Shelley, but if they say Hartnell & Simmonds aren’t allowed to fight, then they will be telling me that they don’t want me as a fan.
Believe it or not, I’m not a fan of fighting. I don’t like boxing, UFC or any other sport like that. Hockey is the only thing I watch because it has the right balance for my dollar. If they tip the scales, I’ll stop giving them my dollar.
I actually enjoyed all the clutching & grabbing in the 90’s because watching guys like Lindros & Leclair throw them aside like rag dolls was amazing. As for tension & energy, I go back to my point about high scoring games. The most tension I’ve ever seen in a game was when the Flyers & Pens needed 5 OT periods to score one goal.
I loved watching this too. But what made these teams fun to watch was the physicality they brought. Well that and a ridiculous amount of skill. Not the fighting. Ok, well maybe if you liked the Dan line that much there was some fighting. But not the stars of the team.
truth is, I don’t think this will happen in my lifetime anyway. The shift right now is putting fighting in the context of a hockey game, not the other way around. Like back in the 70’s.
"If it keeps Mike Milbury off TV, then bring on the 1-3-1," Bob McKenzie
I agree with you in that winning brings in more fans but the point I am making is that for the people who only go to the games because of fighting, there are equally as many that will start going because there aren’t. I also thing that probably 1% of hockey fans only go because of the fighting so it’s not like we are talking about thousands of fans on any given night.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
The problem is, you won’t just be turning off the few people who only watch hockey for the fights. (Do those people even exist?) By banning fighting you are making the game less interesting for people who enjoy the game as a whole to appease a minority of people.
Also, when teams are in the basement of the standings, do you know what they do to get bodies in seats? They sign a couple of goons because they know that a team that fights a lot will keep a good amount of fans entertained until prospects mature and the team is competitive again.
Yeah, I think this is more how I’d argue the pro-fighting standpoint.
If fighting were removed, that might add more fans than it cost. But the cost wouldn’t be exclusively in the fans who stopped going altogether; there might also be fans who still go but don’t go as often. Maybe the guy who used to go to ten games will only go to eight. Maybe the guy who used to arrange outings for his group of buddies won’t bother any more.
If lots of fans find the game slightly less interesting, that could easily outweigh a modest number of fans who decide it’s now a good family activity.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
If lots of fans find the game slightly less interesting, that could easily outweigh a modest number of fans who decide it’s now a good family activity.
And seriously, it’s not a family activity. I wouldn’t take my kid to a baseball game either. I’d be worried that he would get hit by a fly ball. For me, a family activity is going to the park, watching tv together, etc. There’s no way in hell I would take my kid to a stadium full of drunken idiots. The shit they’d see & hear in the stands is way worse than two guys punching each other for 30 seconds on the ice.
There’s no way in hell I would take my kid to a stadium full of drunken idiots.
This is funny to me because my dad started taking me to games when I was 5. I went all the time. Nothing against you or him, it is what it is. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Yeah, I’m also taking my five-year-old. But the San Jose stadium is pretty darn civilized.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Every time there is a shootout, people stand and cheer, too. That doesn’t mean it isn’t something we should get out of the game.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I don’t know how old you are, so I have to ask, and it’s not meant to be insulting in any way. Were you watching hockey before shootouts? On the extremely rare occasions that penalty shots were awarded, there wasn’t a single announcer that didn’t refer to it as “The most exciting moment in sports.” The fans used to go crazy. Now it’s not nearly as big of a deal because it happens all the time.
People cheer because a goal is scored and thus closer to winning, but not like they use to. The NHL has been managed so badly that it makes the job the Flyers do of managing the cap look brilliant. You’re comparing apples & oranges.
You shifted the conversation in a strange way. There’s nothing wrong with penalty shots won in the course of play. There’s something wrong with shootouts, which decide a game based on a mini-game. But no one sits down during them because shootouts decide the game. Is standing and cheering a sign that the mechanism itself is beloved? Even if that were the case, should we be making our decisions based on when people stand and cheer? Is anyone ONLY there for shootouts?
“Eliminating” fighting looks like this: game misconduct if you drop the gloves. Maybe suspensions if you instigate. You’ll still have scrums, you’ll still have pushing and shoving. You just won’t have this fighting mini-game. How does this change the game? It makes the overall skill level higher, since a policeman is no longer necessary. Any fans we lose to UFC, so be it. The game is healthy, its players should be too.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
You shifted the conversation in a strange way. There’s nothing wrong with penalty shots won in the course of play.
No? Because I used to think they were a lot more exciting before I started seeing the exact same thing 20 times a year in shootouts. Now, I’m sorry, but for me, to quote B.B. King, “The thrill is gone.” Sure, it’s nice to see them get a goal, but it’s no where near as exciting as it was before.
There’s something wrong with shootouts, which decide a game based on a mini-game. But no one sits down during them because shootouts decide the game. Is standing and cheering a sign that the mechanism itself is beloved?
You just answered your own question. They stand during the shootout because it decides the game. The entire reason you bought tickets is hanging on it.
Even if that were the case, should we be making our decisions based on when people stand and cheer? Is anyone ONLY there for shootouts?
No, we buy the tickets to be entertained. Obviously, winning is the desired result, so if you have to watch an idiotic dog & pony show to determine the winner, you will stand and cheer. Fighting, however, has nothing to do with the end result, yet they all stand & cheer for that as well. Doesn’t that suggest that they enjoy it?
"Eliminating" fighting looks like this: game misconduct if you drop the gloves. Maybe suspensions if you instigate. You’ll still have scrums, you’ll still have pushing and shoving. You just won’t have this fighting mini-game. How does this change the game?
It changes the game because it is one less thing that I find entertaining, thus making the product no longer worth my money. If you don’t feel that way, that’s fine. You can still go to the games. Have a blast. I won’t stop you, but I won’t consider wasting my money on tickets if they water it down any more.
It makes the overall skill level higher, since a policeman is no longer necessary.
No, it makes the skill level of one part of the game higher while making part of the overall entertainment value lower. (in my opinion) It really is an issue of chocolate vs. vanilla. There is no right or wrong here, only opinions. My opinion is that the tickets aren’t worth buying, and the games aren’t worth watching if they take out the fighting. You obviously don’t feel as strongly about it as I do,since you are a fan of the game now, so they should probably just leave it in and get both of our money rather than just yours.
Any fans we lose to UFC, so be it.
That’s a pretty unhealthy way to run a business.
The game is healthy, its players should be too.
Well, we will have to just agree to disagree on that as well because I’m of the opinion that if you are going to make millions of dollars for my entertainment, you do it 100%. If that cuts your life short, so be it. If you don’t want to risk cutting your life short, you are more than welcome to get a shit job that doesn’t pay millions of dollars to play a game like the rest of us do. I don’t give a damn how healthy they are.
Snider....
Oh look, a new picture of Snider that I can use on my dart board, thanks!
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
I think bettman knows the damage fighting does and admits it behind closed doors. It’s also apparent that the media would run with this if Bettman acknowledged anything
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 13, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions
Haha, I seriously thought nobody even noticed my article from the end of camp about Backlund needing re-entry waivers, but there it is linked in the TCL article :)
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
See! You should write more. :)
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, okay, I will; just as soon as I finish making pizzelles to ship to family all over the country, 8 more batches of fudge, and get my tree put up….
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 13, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Pizzelles are the best. I used to go to Reading Terminal just to get them.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Ooh. My wife hasn’t made any pizzelles yet this year. I’ll have to get on her about that. (Or just do it myself, but that’s crazy talk.)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
That’s the one thing I miss from the old days of living with my parents. My mom makes the best pizzelles I’ve ever had.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I’ve never had a homemade pizzelle in my whole entire life.
/sadwalk
//trollingforapityshipment
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Actually, since I still have your shipment of Flyers swag to send, maybe I can ship some pizzelles your way. I’ll be visiting my parents tonight, so if they have any I’ll snag some to ship to you.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
That’d be awesome.
Now…not to be ungrateful about Don’s kind offer…but is there anyone who wants to send me some who can get them in the mail before they’re six months old?
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Hey, could you make that 9 more batches of fudge?
/smiles sweetly
//hopeful eyes
I <3 our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
You have to use your superpowers every once in a while just to remind us and keep us in iine.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
John Tortorella is complaining about the 24/7 cameras
That asshole complains about everything, get used to it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Truth. I will say that his complain wasn’t as bad as I was expecting it to be.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
But I got you to click on it?
BOOM!
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I was going to call you out and say you embellished a bit but I figured it was by design.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I can sorta understand why he’s complaining, but then again, he needs to get over it…
/I could rant since I’m not in a good mood today, but I won’t
www.southpawcurve.blogspot.com - check out my baseball blog!!
today's word is
A – sshole
R – atings
E – quation
= [assholic behavior / you never truly escape high school]
= ratings
NSFW
you know who wouldn’t complain… Pete Debore
"Its the letter D"
by Rory B. Bellows on Dec 13, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I just had to order a $12k Penguins suite. I need a shower. /shudders
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I have to do a lot of events all over the country. Bah.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
your job actually sounds pretty cool
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 13, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Holy Shit!
ESPN’s Hockey Today podcast has Buccigross on today. As it’s not Lebrun or Burnside, they actually talk about the Flyers. Not only that, but they interview Carle and they talk about #Hartnelldown.
Awesome.
Broad Street Hockey's Reigning Trivia Champion
#HartnellDown is too mainstream now, I can’t like it anymore.
/hipster’d
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I wish hipsters were less mainstream. As in, I wish they were in some side stream in a forest where I would never have to hear about them again.
/that’s right Geoffie.
Broad Street Hockey's Reigning Trivia Champion
Hahaha, now I’m imagining the paradox that will happen when hipsters discover that being a hipster is too popular. Get your popcorn ready.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Also talk about Giroux and grilled cheese
by RogueConvict on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Paul Holmgren said Claude Giroux is suffering from whiplash, not a concussion
Seriously Homer?
Its all about the []_[]
#FirePaulHolmgren
by philiafan14364 on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 AM EST reply actions
All this talk about Giroux makes me wonder why there hasn’t been any suspension forthcoming for Simmonds for what, at least to me, was clearly a dangerous shot to the head of a defenseless player.
This wouldn’t have happened if the Flyers played Shelley – his mere presence would’ve intimidated Simmonds, so he wouldn’t have kneed Giroux in the head.
Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life
by TNBrando on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The game tonight will help me get through my day. Maybe if I eat a grilled cheese, G will recover faster?!
www.southpawcurve.blogspot.com - check out my baseball blog!!
DEC – 13
11:31 a.m.
Flyers GM Paul Holmgren updates the status of Claude Giroux:
“Claude reported not feeling very good today. Over the past few days, his symptoms have gradually gotten worse. He will be out indefinitely with a concussion”
If I’m a GM, I’m asking for a detailed medical history of every player on my team and potential free agents. I’m then staying away from players with numerous concussions, or paying those with a history of concussions less.
This is madness
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 13, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions
has G ever had a concussion before? did crosby ever have a concussion before?
by hbcivicsi93 on Dec 13, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think when Perry elbowed him in the head he had one.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
January ’09, according to his injury history.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds about right, I’m going off of memory, did he miss 2 games, or maybe 2 weeks? I think it was 2 games, or maybe that was Perry’s suspension.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Two weeks, 5 games: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.cgi?5703&showAllMoves=1
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 13, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
And you wonder how many players from the 70s’ brains are scrambled.
Recall that the recent autopsy on the former player (who was that, I forget) showed brain damage.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Boogard
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Dec 13, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, him, but I thought someone else too. Maybe not.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Perhaps you’re thinking of Rick Martin, who was certainly not an enforcer? He did have a frightening bad head injury, though.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 13, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
A precedent is being set. A clean bill of health on an average hockey player is a safer investment that a very talented player with a history of concussions
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 13, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
But G didn’t have much of a history before this, and while I can only see Pronger’s injury history back as far as 00-01, he doesn’t have a concussion listed before this one. Gagne had only been diagnosed with one minor one in ’02 prior to signing his 5 year extension in 2006 before getting rocked so badly in 2007-08, as groin injuries had only been his real problem spot. Crosby was obviously pretty healthy before this.
I think we should worry more about not signing players to contracts of insane length, because concussions can happen to anybody at any time. Besides, trying to find a player who has absolutely never had one, even if it was as a kid and might never have been officially diagnosed, probably eliminates the majority of the players in the league.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 13, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I wonder how many guys have had them and just never disclosed the information because they wanted to play or were afraid they wouldn’t make/stay with the team?
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I’m sure a lot of people have had one and never even knew. I thought for years that I got my first concussion playing hockey at 14, when I actually got it in a car accident when I was 6.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
So G officially has a concussion now?
Well, this is why I don’t like to listen to a word Homer says anymore
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Dec 13, 2011 11:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This is clearly to me the most annoying part of the whole debacle. The injury to G was an accident. The doublespeak to the media was not.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
you haven’t seen shit yet. Wait until the playoffs, and games actually matter
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 13, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
It’s frustrating. If they know concussed players can feel better before they feel worse, then don’t completely rule out a concussion when speaking to the press/fans. Say something like “Claude is feeling better today, but we have not completely ruled out a concussion. It will take a few more days of monitoring before we can make that statement.”
Of course, that would require logic.
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Dec 13, 2011 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree. Although I figure the public has to reach a point where they’re willing to give the team more leeway in keeping the players off the ice without complaint, but I think we might be getting close to that point now. The average person who buys tickets might not react well to the idea of sitting the star player for 3 days after they hit their head and just waiting to see if symptoms arise when there could be nothing wrong, because they’ve paid good money to see them play.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’d almost rather them say nothing than say “He is better. It’s not a concussion.” *The next day * “Whoops it is a concussion”
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Dec 13, 2011 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It would also require the media to listen beyond “Claude is feeling better today…” Anyone think Pantoch has that much of an attention span?
Bob.
by The Dark on Dec 13, 2011 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And he used the word indefinitely.
This is getting ridiculous.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Dec 13, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
That means they’ll force him back into the line up in a few weeks.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 13, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think it is past being ridiculous and is bordering on downright irresponsible. What is so bad about saying, “We aren’t sure yet if it is a concussion. We will take the necessary precautions and go through the motions of testing for one?” Who the hell cares if you tip your hand to injuries?
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Dec 13, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
That would require Holmgren being logical and having common sense.
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Dec 13, 2011 12:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
HAHA I saw that we pretty much said the same thing at the same time. Who owes who a soda?
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Dec 13, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Paul Holmgren owes both of us.
Though that would also require he learn math.
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can't link on mobile, but per Panotch...
RT @tpanotchCSN #flyer players were not aware of announcement about Giroux until informed by media
If true, wow. Really, Homer?
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Dec 13, 2011 12:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So with G out, will he go in IR? If he does will they call someone up?
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
IR (NOT LTIR) is for 7 days. One would think that the Flyers would want to take at least that long as a precaution.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Arturs Kulda on waivers per MacKenzie. Flyers FO: you know what to do.
Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life
He’s from Leipzig? Sweet!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I desperately need a Latvian.
SB Nation Tennis -- Fuzzy yellow balls.
Broad Street Hockey.
by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 13, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
"Nasty, brutish and short"
Life in the state of nature. Life as an enforcer.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 13, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
try telling a whale that size doesn’t matter
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 13, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Something to say? Choose one of these options to log in.
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Broad Street Hockey
Related FanShots on Broad Street Hockey
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
SBNation.com Recent Stories
In Association With
Latest Puck Daddy - NHL from Yahoo! Sports
- Watch Ilya Kovalchuk’s Game 6 goal for Devils, a.k.a. power-play porn (VIDEO)
- Devils look to eliminate Rangers in Game 6; Hal Gill’s broken tibia (Playoff Puck Previews)
- Conan O’Brien joins long list of LA media that don’t really know what’s going on with the Kings
- For Los Angeles Kings, when does rest become rust for Stanley Cup Final?
- Dominik Hasek wants NHL return; Tortorella on Game 6; Nash to Boston? (Puck Headlines)
Latest stories and headlines from NHL.com
- Hard-skating Cataractes upset set defending champ Saint John 7-4 at Memorial Cup
- Toronto Marlies advance to Calder Cup Finals
- Toronto Marlies dump Oklahoma City to advance to the Calder Cup final
- Scotty Bowman receives Order of Canada
- Simon Gagne enjoying LA Kings' success, returns to practice after concussion absence
