Thursday Morning Fly By: Flavor of the Month
by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 22, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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PROGRAMMING NOTE: Please try to keep all discussion of the second episode of 24/7 in the thread for it, not here, to prevent spoilage. We'll have our reviews of it up later today.
- Recaps: [BSH] [Defending Big D] [CSNPhilly] [Inquirer] [Philly Sports Daily] [delcotimes.com] [Flyers Faithful] [The Checking Line]
- Anthony SanFilippo got a South Philly native, in Dallas on business, credentials to last night's game. In return, Rob wrote this recap: [In the Room]
- Steve Ott and Peter Laviolette had a little tiff last night: [SBNation.com] [CSNPhilly] [Puck Daddy] [Broad Street Bull]
- So James van Riemsdyk is struggling: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Peter Luukko is excited to skate on the ice at Citizens Bank: [CSNPhilly]
- Remember when Martin Havlat hurt himself on a line change? He's going to miss 6-8 weeks because of that: [Puck Daddy]
- Former Predators assistant coach Brent Peterson underwent Deep Brain Stimulation to help fight his Parkinson's Disease. Watch the must-see video on how effective the treatment was: [On the Forecheck]
- Veteran goalies are struggling this year. Yes that includes Ilya Bryzgalov: [Hockey Prospectus]
- Combining power play percentage and penalty kill percentage to see how many goals teams are getting on special teams: [The Copper & Blue]
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So you title the Fly by “Flavor of the month” and ask that we not provide 24/7 spoilers, seems counter intuitive, no?
What can't Giroux do?
Look I'm a big JVR supporter
But 0 goals and 2 assists in 9 games has got me worried.
Prior to then he had 16 points in 19 games, so he was having a quietly productive start to the season, but something obviously changed. He could be simply slumping; but could he have an underlying injury somewhere? He just isn’t showing that speed or strength that we know he’s capable of. It’s a shame because he’s a beast when he’s on his game.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 22, 2011 6:45 AM EST reply actions
Unfortunately
I think this JVR. It’s always going to be hot and cold.
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Did someone say Katy Perry?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Dec 22, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Flavor of the month? What?
I heart our rookies.
"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"
by LeepinLizardz on Dec 22, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yes and no.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 22, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
no GIF?
WTF
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by MJDII on Dec 22, 2011 2:51 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Honestly, I keep forgetting JvR is still on the team. At least he isn’t making himself noticeable with stupid penalties or defensive gaffes…
/glass half full
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by LeepinLizardz on Dec 22, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
He makes himself quite noticeable on the PP point, every time he gets the puck, the other team has an odd man rush the other way
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
I’ve stated on multiple earlier threads that JvR on the point does not make sense to me. Honestly, I think he, Simmonds and Hartnell should alternate in front of the net on the PP. This would also up JvR’s goal totals, incidentally.
If the above is correct, then I’d also prefer a Talbot/Voracek/JvR line as well, with Read alongside Briere and Simmonds.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
And on the flip side I’ve always been a bit tougher on JVR than some, I don’t know what it is, just something about him that frustrates the crap out of me. Everyone goes through hot and cold streaks but it just seems like with JVR when he’s cold it’s like he isn’t even there. That was why I was so annoyed when they gave him a contract extension this past off season, this team seemed to think that in the playoffs he turned a corner. I was still a bit skeptical but certainly glad to see him come into his own. I hope he really can get it going sooner rather than later, if he does, this team can be even more dangerous offensively.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
BSH should do a scapegoat poll, or maybe it would be a tough love poll. Which Flyer do you tend to look at the most critically or who you blame the most when the team is not playing well? Most fans have one. I would be curious who would come out first.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 22, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Interestingly, my wife gave me a book about Flyers history, and this morning I was randomly thumbing through it and landed on the blurb about the Flyers losing the first pick in the 2007 draft to Chicago. They ended up with Patrick Kane and we got JVR. I’ve got nothing against JVR and when he comes alive, he can be very effective, but I wonder what the team would have been like if the Flyers had won the draft lottery that year.
"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont
Even next year, when JVR’s salary increases more than it should, he will still make $2M less than Kane. Small consolation, but it’s something.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 22, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I think we’d be pissed, because I think the Flyers still would’ve taken JVR.
by mantis toboggan on Dec 22, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe, the 2007 draft was/is becoming one of the worst ever. Remember Espisito was supposed to be the #1 pick like, a month before the draft, and he fell to #20. Then there was that Russian player Cherponav(spelling?), he was the #2 guy most of the way, ended up falling to #17(then died in a game, against Jags team no less). In fact, the #1 ranked skater the night before the draft was Turris(who is who I really wanted the Flyers to draft). Kane wasn’t even supposed to go #1, so yes, Flyers could have VERY easily taken JVR #1.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
the 2007 draft was/is becoming one of the worst ever
What does that say about the Flyers, who rely heavily on three players from that draft (JvR, Voracek, and Simmonds) and have a fourth (Marshall) fill in on occasion?
@BSH_EricT
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Well, Considering Marshall was our top prospect at one point(shudders), and Voracek was considered a bust for Columbus(like everyone else they draft), Simmonds is probably the only guy of the 4 that exceeded his expectations thus far.
Side note – I really Love Voracek here.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
My comment wasn’t that it was a bad draft for the Flyers, its two things:
A) The draft really, REALLY sucked across the NHL
B) The Flyers may have taken JVR with the #1 overall pick regardless.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
Ha although I guess they’ve gone from relying heavily on players from the deepest draft ever to relying heavily on players from one of the weekest.
by mantis toboggan on Dec 22, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and the only star player out of that draft has been Patrick Kane. Couture, McDonaugh, Alzner and Simmonds are all nice players but they aren’t standouts. I’m still holding out hope that Voracek can become at least a 70 point guy, but even then I can’t think of a weaker draft in the past 10 years.
by mantis toboggan on Dec 22, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
04 was pretty ugly outside ovi and malkin. There were some gems found at the later part of the 1st round like mike green, corey schneider and travis zajac but man were there some brutal picks towards the middle.
by kckrebs on Dec 22, 2011 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree. Malkin is also ugly.
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I own a malkins ugly t shirt so I’m with you there. You might be right tho, cam barker was excellent at 3rd overall…
by kckrebs on Dec 22, 2011 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For me, I’m wondering if he ever completely healed from that upper body injury he had after Thanksgiving.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 22, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
He could be battling injury. He really hasn’t seemed himself lately. He was awesome in the preseason and early on so I’m more willing to blame his struggles on this than label him as an inconsistent player.
by mantis toboggan on Dec 22, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
This may be true. It also may be true that he hasn’t found a line to work with. Note that even with all the injuries, some players have been “set” with others for quite a while. The Giroux line (obviously), Briere with Simmonds, Talbot with Voracek. Read and JvR have been roaming between lines due to injuries of others. If JvR has had some nagging minor injuries and he is not sure who his linemates will be, that could easily cause some confusion and lack of production.
As long as his injuries aren’t too serious, I say again, put him in front of the net, in Phil Esposito/Knuble/Hartnell style (and Simmonds is starting to look mighty fine in that role too). And, ideally, with Talbot and Voracek.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
A few commentators have said JVR looks slow this year, which means it’s probably a foot injury.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Steve Ott is a douche! If laviolette was a player I could see the respect angle, but he is a guy in a suit trying to get off the ice in an unfamiliar setting. To try and intimidate him in that scenario is uncalled for and he should take a lesson on respect. And gamesmanship means little to me. Pulling a chickenshit move like not accepting a fight request after running your mouth al night to gain a power play is the biggest horseshit move and there is NO honor in it.
On the game itself, it was a fantastic effort for the Flyers to go against Dallas and come away with an uncontested win. That is such a trap game on the road with the Rangers coming up and the holiday coming up. This team is in such a zone right now and they are having fun and playing for each other which is the chemistry part of the sport you can’t just create. I hope it lasts.
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which is the chemistry part of the sport you can’t just create
Or was that Paul Holmgren’s plan all along when he made the Richards and Carter trades??
In seriousness though, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was part of the reasoning in Holmgren’s mind, even if that’s a pretty intangible reason to trade your captain and top scorer.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 22, 2011 6:52 AM EST up reply actions
This chemistry and locker room attitude thing is exactly why he made the trades. I know there is no way to measure these things with stats so several people will kill me all day about this but you can see disjointed chemistry pretty easily. It takes balls to nip it in the butt and trade all those stats away for the unknown. This could just as easily been a mess but looking at last years team and thinking there was going to be different results from that core is crazy. I loved mike and respected Carter’s skills but those guys are not good team guys apparently.
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you can see disjointed chemistry pretty easily
Geoff’s not gonna like that.
thinking there was going to be different results from that core is crazy
Nor that.
I still don’t know. I think we could’ve won the cup with a Richards and Carter core. I think we could win the cup with this core. I do wonder why there’s such a positive aura about this team (Geoff’s gonna get me on that) compared to last years; given we had similar records. This one just seems more fun
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 22, 2011 7:22 AM EST up reply actions
I will join you in treading dangerously into the realm of the unmeasurables…
By this time last year I felt I was watching Laviolette’s team. Almost all the guys looked like they were following the same instructions on how to play and on good nights they were a dominant machine, wearing down the opposition with three solid lines, one of which usually picked up the points because they had the other team’s easy pickings. Meanwhile in our end O’Donnell was still playing well so our defense was ridiculous, but most importantly it looked like a coach’s system at work.
This year it’s a bit of a free-for-all. The offense is more creative, it seems more top-heavy with Giroux and Jagr, our team defense gets leaky, we score three, we give up three. It’s settled down some in the last couple of weeks, but still feels different from last year. So I wonder if part of it isn’t just the personnel change but that Laviolette is less insistent on tight control, and if so how much of that is to evaluate the new lineup and how much is because the team play dropped off in the second half last year.
Seeing the coach in practice and comparing it to last year could be instructive but nobody around here goes to practice so who knows.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 22, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
but those guys are not good team guys apparently.
Yes, Mike Richards was a horrible team player in the playoffs in 2010.
I think the players are young and having fun and very focused on hockey. Evidence by the 24/7 Mic Mac dance party at the end of the game. Reminds me of Kennan teams in the 80’s. Tough coach who is hard on his players but team is too young to rebel and they all by in to the system. Everybody knows their role and is willing to accept it. Jesus Jacub Vorachek has become a very effective PKer who would have predicted that one.
Talbot 5 Nodl 0 11/7/2011
I think youth, and more specifically very talented youth, does indeed have something to do with this. I mean, in many ways, a whole lot of players, Jagr included with the young guys, are playing well beyond expectations now (and Bryz is too, if you include philosophizing as the main expectation :-(( ).
The Carter trade, Voracek, Scooter and cap space for Bryz, is proving to be awesome, wildly beyond expectations. The Richards trade is still under review, at best. But that’s the one that is the curious one, in any case. I suspect we may never know all of the reasons why that trade was made.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
What does this even mean? There was a divide in the room and it had been talked about in past seasons as well. Just because they failed at accomplishing the ultimate goal in 2010 again doesn’t justify anything.
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by MJDII on Dec 22, 2011 9:13 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I love how you can speak so confidently on an issue you know nothing about.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 22, 2011 11:07 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It’s a useful skill to have.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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got me through a lot of high school classes I wasn’t paying attention in lol
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 22, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Damn right it is! And if you don’t believe me, just ask me.
by kckrebs on Dec 22, 2011 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, gotta admit, I have this skill too
/yes, most of your professors did too
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
by Bud in TN on Dec 22, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s all about how you do it that makes it special.
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by MJDII on Dec 22, 2011 3:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
What don’t I know? Did I miss the parade? And that locker room has been under scrutiny since they were giving away guys like Upshall and Lupul. There commitment and focus was not new last season. They are damn good players so winning is not all that surprising they are better then most other players. This doesn’t and hadn’t added up to a cup, but they did manage to get two coaches fired.
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This chemistry and locker room attitude thing is exactly why he made the trades.
you can see disjointed chemistry pretty easily
those guys are not good team guys apparently.
There was a divide in the room
There commitment and focus was not new last season.
Unless you are Paul Holmgren, there no way you know any of that.
Further, that “core” won 29 playoff games in the four years since becoming “the core”. In the same four years, Vancouver won 27 playoff games, Chicago 28, Detroit 43, Pittsburgh 40, Boston 33. It’s fine if you think any season without a Stanley Cup is a failure, but to use that line of thinking to say the team’s leadership needs to be gutted is a stretch. Should the Sedin’s be traded since they haven’t won a Cup yet?
they did manage to get two coaches fired.
Ken Hitchcock was fired 8 games into the 2006-07 season. This, somehow, speaks to Carter and Richards, second year players on a team that finished last in the NHL. And yet:
“I think the change needed to be done,” Flyers captain Peter Forsberg said.
So again, if you want to say Richards and Carter got Hitchcock fired, fine. It’s not true, but fine. If you want to say a season without a Cup is a failure, fine. But the Flyers’ core won more playoff games than Vancouver or Chicago did and won exactly one game per year less than the Bruins.
It’s not at all crazy to expect that core could win a Stanley Cup when it has been the most successful playoff team of the last 4 years who has yet to win a Stanley Cup.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 22, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
They finished last in the NHL and missed the playoffs under Stevens, not Hitchcock if I recall. How do you know its NOT true that Richards and Carter in their second year, would have been third if not for the lockout, lobbied for a soft players coach and friend Stevens. How do you know???? It seemed suspicious to me. Wait till Richards gets a load of Sutter.
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How do you know its NOT true that Richards and Carter in their second year, would have been third if not for the lockout, lobbied for a soft players coach and friend Stevens. How do you know????
Because Richards and Carter did not have enough power in a locker room filled with Peter Forsberg, Simon Gagne, Derian Hatcher, Sami Kapanen, Mike Knuble, Joni Pitkanen, Petr Nedved, and Mike Rathje. Also because Ed Snider made the decision to fire Hitchcock, someone I’m sure you agree won’t listen to some whiny little brat baby say “this coach is too mean”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 23, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
I laughed out loud when you noted Rathje. That was hysterical. And the biggest leader of that group would be hatcher andhe won a cup with Ith so I am sure he didn’t have any issues. Richards was being touted as the next Clarke and the future of the team, stop selling his pull short.
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Do you think JVR could push out Lavy right now?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
There not even comparable in stature or relevance to the organization.
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JVR has had more success than Richards did at that point, been here longer, is signed for longer, is actually one of the longest tenured Flyers on the team (only Coburn, Hartnell, Briere, Timonen, and Giroux have been around longer), and was the second highest draft pick this franchise has ever had.
You’re right, the two aren’t comparable.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
JVR won a Calder cup in a year when there was no NHL? JVR has been touted as the next Bob Clark? Being the second highest draft pick in franchise history is like being the tallest midget in the circus.
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I’m confused as to what you’re arguing. No, JVR and Richie have not had identical paths, but JVR has a longer Flyers tenure than Richie had, tons of expectations, and a younger locker room. Yet, you seem to think there’s no chance he could do anything to push out a coach while assuming Richie was instrumental in getting rid of Hitchcock?
There’s nothing super-unique about being compared to an ex-great and winning minor league trophies that give you power in an organization. They both are young players with an amount of pull that is probably outweighed by veteran voices.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
If there would have been a season Richards and Carter would have played that season
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And the biggest leader of that group would be hatcher andhe won a cup with Ith so I am sure he didn’t have any issues.
It’s worth noting that Hatcher was stripped of the C just prior to the 2006-07 season in favor of Peter Forsberg. So a) the team and/or Hitch disagrees that he was the biggest leader of the group; and b) That seems like a pretty good reason to have an issue with your coach.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 23, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
You must not have been a fan when Lupul and Upshall played here and were unceremoniously shown he door. Same core!
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For Chris Pronger…..
And a total mismanagement of the Salary Cap…..
Try again
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by Ed Van Chimp on Dec 22, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Basically got the team to the doorstep and ran out of gas, but Carter still could not finish. Oh well,
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Wait, so 2 players is enough to create “a divide”?
Please share this webcam in the Flyers’ locker room that is clearly giving you all this insight into their “chemistry”. I’d be fucking delighted to know all the inside information that indicated that Lupul and Upshall were not traded to obtain a HOF d-man and because there was not enough cap space to call up replacement players. Go ahead. Share the link to the web-cam. Please. Do so.
You asked when in the past was locker room chemistry questioned. I answered with that as an example of how far back off the ice bullshit went back.
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And your example is a load of shit, try again. You don’t know a single goddamn thing that goes on behind those doors, stop fucking pretending like you do.
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woah
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Come on Lupul was a throw in with a highly projected prospect and 2 fort round friggin picks. And you saved a whopping 100k in the swap for that idiot carcillo. Hardly a cap space windfall.
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And it means that through the playoffs in 2010 and through 2/3 of last season, there didn’t seem to be a problem with “chemistry” and “bad team players”.
You’re buying into this manufactured narrative that Richards and Carter were locker room cancers and treating it as gospel. Maybe it was true, but for most of last season it didn’t show on the ice.
Read above. Winning is not surprising when they are more talented players so tha is not definitive of off ice issues.
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Spare me grammar and spelling bullshit. Talk hockey or move on.
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Talk hockey or move on.
Same to you. You’re not talking hockey, you’re talking nothing but locker room rumors. Yes, rumors. You don’t know. You weren’t there. And it’s off-ice bullshit, which is not hockey.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
So hockey rumors are not hockey. Ok. Either way spare me the friggin spelling and grammar. It’s in unnecessary.
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by MJDII on Dec 23, 2011 1:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
No, making up claims that people got traded because they couldn’t get along behind closed doors when you have nothing to back that up is not hockey.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
It was pretty well documented the team wanted to change the party boy culture of the locker room. Wasn’t it.
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Sure, but in this case “documented” means that the media speculated and wrote about it. Hell, you writing about it now technically counts as it being documented. Did the front office itself say this?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
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Did the front office tell you they were shopping Carter.
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What does that have to do with anything? This is tin-foil hat nonsense, AND you’re moving the goalposts. This started out with you claiming locker room problems, and you have no fucking proof. None. Not even a little bit. It’s all speculation on the part of the fans and the media. So get over it.
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Since you keep coming back I am assuming you can’t get over it either. Why do you think all media is speculation? They get paid and have a job to do and it’s not make shit up,for fun.
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And.......
What the carter comment means is the front office is neither honest nor forth coming about ANYTHING.
Good talk Hintzy
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What bothers me is blaming players for things when you have no clue. Those rumors follow them. It can effect their careers. Some of the things people say may be true, but a lot of it is made up by fans who dislike a player for some reason. Take the Carter/Hartnell’s wife rumor, for example. We have no idea if that’s true, but that’s a reputation that’s going to follow him if people keep bringing it up, even jokingly.
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Out of curiousity
What was last year’s team’s record at this point. I recall them being pretty good and having fun. It’s easy to have fun when you’re winning games. FWIW I think having Pronger away from the team helps with the whole having fun part of it as well. I view him as a pretty big locker room cancer if there is anyone not willing to bend to his will.
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After last night’s game they are one point behind last year’s team, according to a quick tally I made yesterday.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 22, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Amen. I appreciate the tables being turned on Pronger in Pronger vs. Richards for once.
by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 22, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
interesting
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 22, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
that’s not to say that Pronger is a bad captain or has leadership inadequacies, it’s just calling Pronger’s leadership what it is
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Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I’m partial to this speculation A guy who’s always testing everyone and needs to be alpha and has to make everyone else omega. Richards a quieter guy who takes things to heart and considers others.
Or, put another way, I would have hated Pronger in high school. Richards would have been ok.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 22, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I obviously have nothing to prove it, just always the impression I got. It’s something I said to Geoff when all the locker room narratives were written and it’s something I said to my dad when he was traded here. Doesn’t mean it’s right at all, just what I have guessed at and speculated about.
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That is the other side of the recent locker room dynamics. Figured Geoff was going to bring up this counter argument. I would say there is something to this if Pronger wasn’t a winner everywhere he has been.
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Pronger didn’t win in Hartford. Or St. Louis. Or Edmonton. Or Philadelphia.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 22, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
anaheim?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
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That’s the only place he won, correct.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 23, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
He has never missed the playoffs on any team but his rookie seaon in Hartford. And I would say he got this team over the hump into the finals. Your the one considering success isn’t a cup so Pronger has to be on your list of most successful players, right.
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He has never missed the playoffs on any team but his rookie seaon in Hartford.
This is true of Richards and Carter as well.
And I would say he got this team over the hump into the finals.
And I would say it was Michael Leighton and his 3 shutouts in the Conference Finals who got this team over the hump.
Just kidding, no I wouldn’t. How about Peter Laviolette and his timeout in Boston that got this team over the hump? How about Danny Briere’s 9 goals and 18 points in the middle 11 games of the playoffs, finishing off Montreal, beating Boston, and jumping out to a 2-0 lead against Montreal?
I could go on and on, but Chris Pronger wasn’t enough to keep that team from needing a shootout to even make the playoffs. He wasn’t the one who scored the OT winner against Boston in Game 4 to keep them alive, he wasn’t the one who settled his team down in Game 7 after falling behind 3-0, he wasn’t the one to turn the momentum in Game 5 of the ECF with a shorthanded goal to tie the game.
Your the one considering success isn’t a cup so Pronger has to be on your list of most successful players, right.
Sorry, you’re the one saying anything except a Cup isn’t good enough. Just getting to the playoffs, and winning in the playoffs, isn’t enough for you:
What don’t I know? Did I miss the parade?
This doesn’t and hadn’t added up to a cup,
I consider Pronger a very successful player. But had he not won in Anaheim, I doubt you would.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 23, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t Richards win every where but the Flyers?
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by DLJr on Dec 24, 2011 1:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He did.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 24, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I would think that would debunk the whole Pronger is a winner therefore good locker room guy because Richards has been a winner too.
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by DLJr on Dec 24, 2011 4:07 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think it debunks his entire comment:
That is the other side of the recent locker room dynamics. Figured Geoff was going to bring up this counter argument. I would say there is something to this if Pronger wasn’t a winner everywhere he has been.
Because really, the fact that someone is a “winner” doesn’t mean he automatically gets along with everyone in the locker room. Even if we concede there was a problem in the locker room, why couldn’t it simply be: “Pronger and Richards’ personalities and leadership styles did not mesh. Both were winners everywhere they went, but the two of them didn’t work together.”?
The constant need to assign blame, assigning blame to who you want to blame, then formulating bullshit reasons for why you’re right after the fact… it infuriates me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 24, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Pronged and Richards not working together is kind of my position. I assign blame solely based on chronological reasons, which is rather arbitrary. Though I always thought Pronger was the wrong personality for the core that was here, I felt his skill, and the skill of the team overall, would trump any “locker room”, or whatever you want to call them, issues.
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by DLJr on Dec 24, 2011 10:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
And let’s not forget: Richards captained that team to a best-of-three for the Stanley Cup, where Pronger proceeded to be on the ice for 6 Blackhawks goals and in the penalty box for their 7th.
They may not have worked together long-term, but they worked together to get the team to Game 6 of the Finals. So they largely – if not entirely – did trump any "locker room" issues.
Unless somehow it was Mike Richards’ who made Pronger play like shit in Game 5. Or Mike Richards’ attitude which allowed Patrick Kane to score in Game 6.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 25, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
He hasn’t won everywhere he’s been, quite the opposite actually. Also, I think certain types of leaders do better with certain types of locker rooms. I don’t think Pronger was a good fit with the existing core in this locker room when he was traded for and he is just as much to blame as anyone else IMO. It’s not to say Pronger isn’t a successful leader or can’t be, but I view him as a detriment if you don’t have a locker room will to get in line behind him and give in to his whims; or if he has another, more reserved, all world Dman to counter his harsh personality.
Again, just my opinion, but what you brought up doesn’t counter it well.
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Are you saying Kimmo and Scott Niedermayer are dissimilar? I don’t know, but I imagined they were quite similar.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 23, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
To Pronger, no I honestly don’t. It wasn’t Kimmo’s team when Pronger was brought here. Also, Neidermeyer is on another level than Timonen IMO, and Timonen has been my favorite Dmen in the league for years, dating back to when he was on the Preds. But more importantly I don’t really feel Pronger viewed him in the same light as Neidermayer.
Just my opinion, and there is no way to prove it, but IMO there isn’t many similarities between those to players as far as the situation and bringing in a personality such as Pronger’s.
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Fair enough. I have no idea either, just thought “old, veteran, quiet, leader” and said “similar!”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 23, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Pronger being on this team I think helped Coburn and Mez a lot. But him being away, I feel, makes them step into his role, which is much more helpful.
I know a lot of people here think it’s a bullshit idea, but it’s what I believe.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Pulling a chickenshit move like not accepting a fight request after running your mouth al night to gain a power play is the biggest horseshit move and there is NO honor in it.
I don’t know about the mouth-running, but honestly, I thought the hit that Bourdon didn’t like was completely clean and it was fair for Ott to say “screw you, that hit was clean, suck it up and take it.” It’s one thing to expect a guy to fight after an iffy hit, but The Code doesn’t (or shouldn’t) say that they have to fight every time they check someone.
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This.
If Ott did go after Giroux then maybe the whole team spends the rest of the game looking for excuses for payback but otherwise, no. And apparently now we can count on the coach for rough retribution.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 22, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t be this with Eric. He doesn’t need the back up
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by MJDII on Dec 22, 2011 2:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
We Bay Area Flyers fans need to stick together. Earthquakes and all that.
Also thumbs meh to the Cheese Steak Shop on University in Berkeley. Good roll, meat chopped too fine. No Cheez Whiz WTF? And skimpy on the good stuff. Tastykakes, though.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 22, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
We’re 3000 miles from Philly. They have Amoroso’s and Tastykakes; I’m not going to complain. Especially when they’re about two miles from my house.
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Never settle! I told them to add Cheez Whiz to the menu and sent an e-mail to corporate. PIcketing is next.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 22, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
bullshit
He was yapping and running around. He should have dropped for the sake of his own team. It was a borderline charge.
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by MJDII on Dec 22, 2011 2:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
To each his own, I guess. That’s not the kind of hit I would want to see removed from the game, either by the refs or by enforcers. That just looks like a clean, hard check to me.
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It was along the line of hunting and a message hit. Answer the bell!
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Thought about this more and I now look at it like this, BULLSHIT, no matter what you interpret Bourdon took exception and he isn’t a pussy so I got his back. Ott is a sheriff on that team and an agitator. Sorry but maybe when you play that role and have played the game not worrying about your oppositions well being you don’t always get the benefit of a legal check as a reason to not answer the bell.
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That video of Peterson is absolutely incredible. I watched it yesterday and I don’t know how exactly I expected it to end but I wasn’t expecting what I saw. It’s so amazing what we can do.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
So awesome I'm not going to resize it.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
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O.o
Cool.
I heart our rookies.
"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"
by LeepinLizardz on Dec 22, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I’m 27 and it hurts lacing up my skates, this guy’s like a 100, I can’t even fathom how he is doing what he is about to do. God bless Bernie.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
That is flat out freakin’ incredible. It is awesome to see Hintzy’s dad suiting up again. I particularly love the good ole leather mitts.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 22, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Love the fact that he’s wearing his glove and blocker from the old days.
"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont
In the dictionary, that picture is next to the word “badass”
Bob.
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It’s like he’s in a cathedral getting ready for a coronation. That winter low-angle lighting (I’m assuming that’s from a window).
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 22, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
I’m glad I’m by myself, because I just started crying.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
BERNIE....BERNIE.....BERNIE....BERNIE.....
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links for last night’s 24/7…who gots em?
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 22, 2011 9:51 AM EST reply actions
user 247hbo has them up on youtube. I’m watching now.
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fantastic
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 22, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
hey Don, where is part 4, do you know?
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 22, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry just had a meeting on my last day of work before we get off for a week and a half and it turns out I have to work the entire break, wahoo. So I haven’t watched anything past 2.
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ah well, lacking parts 3 and 4 doesn’t really suck. I also get to work during break too, although they gave us off the 26th, 2nd, and I’m taking off the 27th
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 22, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Bets part of my job is that we don’t get those random holidays throughout the year, but they get collected for the Christamas/New Year break. So we have a very HS-esc break and it’s typically phenomenal. Great Birthday present this year.
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but not this year, because you found out that you have to work?
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 22, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah hence my sarcasm in my last sentence. (birthday is on Saturday)
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it’s really hard to pick these things up when my head feels like a bowling ball and i got a funeral home visit in 20 mins
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 22, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
OT, but I have decided that I will now only respond to JackCampbell pictorially. I don’t know how long he’ll try to keep up the trolling around here before he gets bored and moves on, but I’m going to have a little fun with it while I can.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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We’re trying to get him on radio.
by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 22, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My responses won’t translate well in that media.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Au contraire. Great recent advances have been made in communicating .gifs on radio.
by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 22, 2011 10:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have Kat and Chem been made aware of this?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Or, I should say...
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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JVReemer21: Good luck to <strong>Jack1Campbell and the rest of the US world junior teamI wonder if the US World Junior Team sucks too? I hope not. We need another JackCampbell update.
Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
"Some might give head coach Dave Tippett and general manager Don Maloney plenty of credit for guiding the Coyotes to two straight playoff berths amid franchise foibles – and they deserve much of it – but Bryzgalov was far and away the team’s most valuable player." - NBC Sports
by Flyers_Section_121 on Dec 22, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions
Amnesty - New CBA
I just read the article on ESPN regarding top “amnesty candidates” if the NHL lets teams out of one bad contract each as per the CBA rumors: http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/blog//name/custancecraig/id/7379256/roberto-luongo-alex-ovechkin-top-amnesty-candidates-nhl
..who do you guys think the Flyers should drop if this really happens? I don’t think Pronger (if his concussion is career-ending and assuming the LTIR cap rule remains the same). I’d be interested to hear everyone’s thoughts. I apologize if this was previously discussed and I missed it.
If Pronger’s concussion is career-ending, the team should absolutely use the amnesty clause on him. Remember the $1.4 million in cap penalties this year due to the bonuses earned last year? That’s what happens when you end the year on LTIR. And the Flyers will end the next 5 years on LTIR with Pronger there.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 22, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Correct. I was going off his assumptions:
if his concussion is career-ending and assuming the LTIR cap rule remains the same
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 22, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I guess there are too many unknown variables to even make predictions…especially with the Pronger situation. If they use his cap space and go out and get a defenseman then that throws another variable into the equation; depending on the cap hit.
by IG on Dec 22, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
If Pronger’s concussion is career-ending,
Agreed. However, if Pronger turns out to be OK and leads the Flyers into the Stanley Cup Final, then I think the Universe has a different humongous contract it would like us to consider.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
If there’s an amnesty rule, and if Pronger’s injury is career-ending, and if the LTIR rule remains the same, then I’m not sure the Flyers would let anyone go. If Pronger can be buried, the worst contracts would be Bryzgalov and Briere, but I’m not sure Briere would be released because the Flyers focus more on production than cap efficiency, and unless Bryzgalov finishes the year as the backup I don’t see them being ready to bail on his contract so soon.
But I’m not assuming much about the new CBA at this point.
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Another possible concussion:
Blackhawks LW Dan Carcillo sat out his fourth game with upper-body injury and was placed on IR on Wednesday……believed to have post-concussion symptoms.
If Jeff Carter and Ville Leino get concussions, then we need to get the EPA out to the WFC to check on the water.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Then they should probably come check the water at the practice facility too…
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by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 22, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not to be picky, but EPA doesn’t do that. PWD does (every day, in fact) and occassionally DEP makes a random sampling.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Correction – at the practice facility in NJ … no one checks it.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I was just playing along with his joke, but hinting at the fact that two water systems they have totally different sources. One from a river and one from underground, I believe.
I’m sure somebody checks Voorhees’ water system, I’m just not sure if it’s the township or the county.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 23, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I know. Just a running joke here at work; everyone makes fun of ‘Schyullkill Punch’ but it’s some of the best and cleanest municipal water in the country.
(Actually, Philly water comes from both rivers, depending on where in the city you are.)
I believe in Voorhees is it NJ American Water, overseen (nominally) by NJDEP.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I was surprised by the level of acrimony between the two teams last night, or at least my perceptionof it. So I perused Defending Big D’s gamethread and there did seem to be some bitterness that I didn’t know existed. Maybe it’s just a Dallas-Philly thing overall since we so rarely play them.
You arent doing anyone any favors posting here right now
Three guesses who this poster was responding to.
Why would ANYONE need THREE guesses? I didn’t defend THIS COUNTRY to waste more than ONE GUESS.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Dec 22, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nice work.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 22, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone hates the Flyers. It’s a perk of being a Flyers fan.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 22, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Deryk Engelland gets 3 games, won’t play against us next Thursday.
The solar system is so humongous big.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 22, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions
OT: I’m trying to set “How the Grinch Stole Christmas” to the tune of “Devil Went Down to Georgia.” It’s friggin HARD.
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Wow. If you’re that bored, I could sure use some help here in the office! (I gotta spend $30 million in construction contracts before next May!)
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 22, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta spend $30 million in construction contracts before next May
Whose money?
I'm kind of a dick.
Everyone’s. Federal funds.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
so on completely uneeded projects i assume..knowing our gov
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
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Depends on how unneeded you feel sewers or water mains are … if you shit in the woods and drink from a stream, then yeah – they’re not needed.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Who needs infrastructure? Live Free and Die of Dysentery.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 23, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
The other thing that people don’t understand is that $30 million is barely ‘real’ money when it comes to infrastructure spending. That will buy about 10 blocks worth of water/sewer work in the city. That’s it.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Candidates:
Bryzgalov Humongous Big Hadron Collider
Holmgren Center for Advanced Addition and Subtraction
Flyers Institute for Patellar Viral Concussion Research
Locker-Room Cancer Cure Foundation
Practice Facility Temporary Housing for Blog Media
Advanced Statistics Temple (with Moat for Eye Attacks)
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 22, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Bryz v. Bob
Bob deserved to book a SO against Dallas, and he deserves the start against the Rangers. Unless Mr. Universe starts properly flexing his pecs, and soon, someone is going to figure out that Bob is the true No. 1. And on 24/7, I didn’t see someone who struggles with language barriers — I saw someone eating his Cheerios without even a hint of a smile or a grin about the humongous things happening at the table. With a translator available, I’d like to hear what Bob has to say about shootouts. Two rubles say it would be I’m just here to play hockey, so give me a chance to stop those mofo’s.
“Flavor Of The Month.” Appreciate the (SPOILER ALERT!) 24/7 reference, but you really should have gone with “Flyers Suck!!!” just for the sake of being all ironic and shit.
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Can I just say that the restaurant El Vez in Philly is amazing?
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The guac is so delish there. I like the roasted corn as well. Good stuff.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I’ll go for the guac, outside of that it’s over priced for what you get. Way better options less than a block away; atmosphere included.
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LOVE IT!
From the guacamole to the churro, great stuff.
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Meh. Overpriced, overpopular. You get better Mexican food at some of the authentic places around the city. And for barely a quarter of the price.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Like instead of going to Los Caballeros at Morris and Passyunk (another ‘popular’ Mexican place), walk across the street to El Zarape. Prices are half, and the food is twice as good.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Part of restaurant experiences are atmosphere. The atmosphere there is nice and if you don’t particularly like Mexican food (like me), it’s fine. I’m really there for the tequila bar.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I’m more of a gourmand than a social creature – I go to restaurants for the FOOD. If I want atmosphere, I go outside.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no atmosphere outside in the city. You need to go to the country for that. LOL. I’m a gourmand, too; I’m just saying it’s got pretty good Mexican food and also nice atmosphere. It’s as hyped as any Starr Restaurant, but I also believe that most of his restaurants are hyped for a reason. They’re all decent to pretty damn good.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
decent to pretty damn good
True – but at some the prices aren’t justified by the food (the ‘decent’ ones). Hey – the man makes tons of money marketing ‘atmosphere’, but I’m not one of those patrons. Personal preference.
Heck, I wasn’t even crazy about Distrito – and I think Jose Garces is a great chef.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think there is no comparison to the more authentic restaurants in the city like xochtl(?), but the whole atmosphere is part of the experience.
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“Atmosphere” is something you find in a real restaurant. The best in the city used to be Deux Chiminees. Stephen Starr restaurants go in for the ‘image’ atmosphere of see and be seen. My personal preference is the more insular ‘atmosphere’ of quiet and elegant dining; Four Seasons, Mr. Martino’s, etc.
To each their own – but to me, the food is of absolute and primary importance. If it isn’t worth the money, I don’t come back, regardless of ‘atmosphere’.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Mr. Martino’s love it!
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Bingo. And the emphasis there is most certainly the food and not the decor! And as for ‘see and be seen’ … usually there’s no one there, and you can’t see in the damn place from the street anyway! But the food is positively excellent, the service is attentive without being cloying, and usually the owner/chef comes to ask how your dinner was. THAT is my kinda place.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 23, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Could be a gender thing. When I’m alone it’s food first, wine second. I can create a micro-climate at the table so screw the atmosphere. When I take my girlfriend to dinner I spend most of my time looking at pictures of the place and e-mailing the women I know asking about atmosphere.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 23, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
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