A Graphical Look at Bryzgalov's Struggles
Ilya Bryzgalov is struggling again. Whether you use your eyes, look at the numbers, or ask the players, the conclusion is the same.
So last night Down Goes Spezza asked us to give him "something good regarding" Bryzgalov regressing to the mean. I don't know if what you're about to read fulfills his request, but it's how I spent my night after he asked.
All numbers here are from Hockey-Reference.com, since I find their game logs much easier to use.
First, let's just look at how Ilya Bryzgalov has played, on a game-by-game basis, over the last two-plus seasons.
This gives us a baseline for how much his game-by-game performance varies, if nothing else. We see a good number of games dropping below the 85% line, but generally, every game is between 85 and 95%.
Here we take the cumulative save percentage from Bryzgalov's last ten games. While the immediate drop at the start of his Flyers career is blatantly obvious, it bottomed out after he let in four goals on ten shots against Winnipeg. That marked his fifth straight game stopping fewer than 90 percent of shots. He then rattled off six straight above 91.7 percent.
But we also notice a similar, if more jagged, plummet earlier. In January of 2010, Bryzgalov posted a save percentage of 83.3 or lower in four of five games. The very bottom of that spike came on January 28th, 2010. This has certainly happened before with Bryz: He goes on long cold streaks.
In his next two starts, he stopped his next 63 of 65 shots.
The difference is that in Philadelphia, when he bottomed out after the Winnipeg game, he had another stretch of three straight bad games, preventing him from improving his rolling average.
Since Bryzgalov was pulled against the Islanders in November, he has alternated in-game save percentages of 92 or higher with 87.5 or lower. Combine the three-game skid with the consistently inconsistent play, and you have a double-dip in Bryzgalov's numbers.
This raises two questions though.
- Is Ilya Bryzgalov unique in his peaks and valleys?
- What is the likelihood of someone doing what Brzygalov did in Phoenix doing what he has done in Philadelphia?
To answer the first question, I simply looked at Henrik Lundqvist of the Rangers. Why Lundqvist? He's an elite goalie with similar career save percentage numbers and he's playing on a hated rival. Also, I wanted someone who played roughly as much as Bryzgalov while being on a solid, if unspectacular, team.
Here is what we get:
Through 145 games, the two are basically identical. Both have two stretches of terrible play and both have similar peaks and valleys in their good play. Up to this season, the two were indistinguishable. It is certainly true that Bryzgalov is having a really bad start to the season. It is also true that Lundqvist is having a very good start to the season.
Yes, it's only one comparison, but it's hard to say Bryzgalov is unique in having two steep drops in performance. it's also hard to say he's more inconsistent than Lundqvist, despite conventional wisdom disagreeing with that.
It is very easy to over-emphasize the short-term results, making them seem bigger than they are. Bryzgalov really is playing poorly, but the long-term trend is clear: Bryzgalov is in line with the NHL's best goalies. We can look for reasons why he's struggling - the expectations of the contract, the pressure of the media, the new teammates, the new city, the new defensive system, the injuries, his confidence - but those are just excuses to fill a narrative.
This is not the way Bryzgalov, Ed Snider, Paul Holmgren, or Flyers fans wanted his nine-year contract to begin. It is understandable that the poor play, magnified by the large contract, creates panic. But with the contract also comes a new perspective: He's going to be here for nine-years, so twenty-six games isn't enough to judge him on.
To answer question two - the likelihood of this happening after Bryzgalov's last two years in Phoenix - we turn to Eric T.:
Statisticians have a simple method for testing whether the difference between two samples is significant, called a t-test. It measures the probability that you could have gotten a difference that large just by random chance, without a true talent difference.
In this case, it comes out at 7%, which is big enough that a statistician would be hesitant to call this a clear difference, but small enough that a fan should be concerned.
You got that? This is concerning, but stats nerds are hesitant to say this is concerning.
Conclusion
Yes, Ilya Bryzgalov is struggling. Yes, he is struggling in a way he has not in the previous two-plus seasons. Yes, this is concerning.
But the good news is: Bryzgalov is not this bad. He has faced similar adversity before, less than two calendar years ago, and came through it. This year, his double-dip run of poor play has been the result of one bad month.
It is far too early to think this is anything more than an outlier for Bryzgalov. Be concerned, yes. But don't expect this to continue, either.
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Thanks for using Lundqvist. Saves me some effort.
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haha, no problem. I was going to use Kari Lehtonen, but he was hurt in 09-10, so I went to Lundqvist.
I have his 2+ seasons game log with his rolling average in an Excel sheet if you want it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, the results are more interesting anyway. Just don’t delete the file anytime soon.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 28, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’m looking at the rolling save chart as a double-bottom and am humongous bullish.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 28, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions
Just as the offseason clamor was “we need a #1 goaltender,” to the new “ship his ass outta town,” I prefer to remain in wait and see mode. Let’s give him at least a season as goaltenders, just like relief pitchers, are volatile and prone to huge variation.
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Thank you for restoring order back to Flyers fans. If you actually did use Lehtonen as your example people would have been up in arms with the “he isn’t as good as Bryz” argument.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Dec 28, 2011 2:33 PM EST via Android app reply actions
This is something I honestly hadn’t thought about. Which now makes me feel dumb.
Completely true.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see how any1 can say that ass I don’t think. Any team lehtonen has playd for has made the playoffs, wasn’t he thrashers then replaces turco, I see legtonen as good or better than bryz..but my eyes may decieve me and I’m sure one of the stat guys will prove me wrong
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Wow. I have to stop using my phone to comment while at work. That looks atrocious.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 28, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Lehtonen’s a good goalie without the reputation of such. He’s the anti-Fleury.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 28, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
haha, like that a lot.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Glass half full: If were fighting for the top spot in the east with a shakey Bryz, imagine how good we’ll be when he figures it out?
by OrangeNblacK on Dec 28, 2011 2:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That’s what I’ve been saying.
At the very least, it’ll help counteract the team shooting % regression that seems to be happening to everyone not named Giroux and Hartnell.
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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 28, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think we all needed that a bit. Thanks, great post.
I did have one question based on some tweets I saw last night. I saw a couple of people say that Bryz is generally better when he’s facing more shots than he is in games where he doesn’t face a lot of shots and will sometimes go several minutes at a time without facing a shot. Now, this strikes me as something that would be true for a lot of goaltenders/for goaltenders in general, but I checked Bryz’s stats based on that split this year and they’re a bit shocking:
Facing >30 shots: 7-1-0, .934, 2.26
Facing <=30 shots: 7-7-3, .860, 3.38
The splits from last season wasn’t nearly as pronounced and are probably more along the lines of what you’d expect over a full season/a much bigger sample size, but they’re still there:
Facing >30 shots: 19-10-8, .928, 2.59
Facing <=30 shots: 17-10-2, .909, 2.35
The higher GAA for the former category makes complete sense, given that he faced about 36 shots/game in the former category and 25 shots/game in the latter category and that’ll add up over time, but that (a) doesn’t change the fact that his save % was higher in the former, and (b) also just kind of makes the split so far this year even more shocking.
I know it’s probably silly to make a big deal out of something that’s at least in some part attributable to SSS, especially in the scope of this article, but I was wondering: are goalies always better in games where they face more shots, be it because of score effects or any other reason? Did it work out in Phoenix because of Tippett’s system that seems to prevent a lot of high-percentage shots? Just curious.
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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 28, 2011 2:55 PM EST reply actions
This is really interesting, but it is far too much work for me.
If I had to guess, I’d say a large portion of that difference is the result of score effects. Whether it be due to teams taking shots from further out to get a whistle – thus driving the totals up – or from teams not taking shots after an early lead, I’m betting that’s a big portion of the discrepancy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. Was just curious if any sort of work had been done on that. Maybe I’ll take a look. I’d be very surprised if score effects weren’t at least some part of it, but I do think there’s something to the idea that goalies can get in more of a groove if they’re seeing more rubber. Who knows.
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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 28, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
My initial reaction (a guess, not evidence-based) is that this gets the causality mixed up: that in games where Bryzgalov has a high save percentage, his team is likely to win and therefore give up more shots due to score effects.
In other words, I’d posit that the causality chain goes: stop a high percentage —> get a lead —> face lots of shots, rather than face lots of shots —> stop a high percentage —> get a lead.
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I had thought the way it was proposed was get a lead —> face lots of shots —> stop a high percentage.
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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 28, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what Geoff was proposing, I think. But the tweeps you referenced saying “Bryz is generally better when he’s facing more shots” — that implies that facing shots causes stopping more, which likely causes getting a lead.
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Gotcha. Didn’t think much about the exact implication of the tweets, just remember seeing them saying more shots = better for Bryz and thinking “hmm, that’s interesting”.
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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 28, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking that their thinking is more along the lines of less opportunities can lead to lackadaisicalness (yeah apparently it’s a word), similiar to what is said about pitchers who work slowly having an effect on fielders to which there’s a kernel of truth though nothing statistically relevant, more for the Intangibles Bin.
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Very nice. Would it be possible to see the save percentage as a scatter plot? Also, could you pivot that into breakdown showing # games in buckets by std deviation (+/- 1 std dev, 2 dev, etc)?
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Here’s the scatter plot at least:

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
We're supposed to trust our EYES to look at statistics?
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Nice article, though. It’s just frustrating to me that it was so clear that any goalie could go through these stretches before we inked him to that deal, and now of course it’s happening. I should probably stop beating that dead horse though.
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Those three spent so little time as starters, I’m not sure we could learn much from that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent post, Geoff, although I am sure you just wrote this so DGS could inflate your ego even more. ;-)
In seriousness, well done, and very interesting. Although I would be interested to see how Bryz compares to Lehtonen and Vokoun. Lehtonen because he came up here, and Vokoun because of us here, myself included, wanted him in Philadelphia to begin with. Is it reasonable to believe every NHL goalie who gets significant playing time have similar extreme peaks and valleys?
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I can’t say for sure that every goalie will have similar extreme peaks and valleys, but I’m willing to bet it is quite common.
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Very interesting. Thanks Geoff and Eric for all your hard work and providing this perspective.
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Nice write-up. Thank you.
After reading it, I’m glad that we have Bob. Not only is he a fantastic back up goalie (perhaps the best in the league?) but maybe his skills will “push” Bryz to work at finding his game again…
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Very good backup. Don’t think I’d call him the best. Rask and Schneider immediately come to mind, and there are probably a few others.
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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Dec 28, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Graphic as in graphs and stats. I thought there were going to be a lot of candid, uncensored photographs. Oh well.
Just kidding Geoff. Good write up and good work.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
not that I didn’t find the work interesting but it’s 30 some games and the team’s doing well despite that the owner destroyed the core of the team in the off season…this article was unnecessary because people shouldn’t be hand wringing and raising the alarm. Then again my expectations for the season haven’t been high nor will they be high for those people who should read this, actually reading it.
thanks for using the t-test! it bothers me when people use graphs without any analysis.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty simple, even for someone who hasn't study stats at any advanced level like me
For the one-sample t-test
Standard error of the mean (SEM) = s/sqrt(n)
[that is, standard deviation divided by square root of sample size]
t = (sample mean – mean that would be suggested by null hypothesis)/SEM
Then compare that t to a chart for the relevant degrees of freedom
For the two sample t-test
t = (sample 1 mean – sample 2 mean)/SEM
SEM = sqrt(s1^2/n1 + s2^2/n2)
That is:


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by LeepinLizardz on Dec 28, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Would it be possible to compare his numbers to Leighton and Boosh since he seems to be playing at their level?
It’s possible, but you’d have to shrink the sample size since Leighton has played 62 NHL games in seven years. Boucher has played 74 games in three years.
It’s just not the same when you’re comparing a starter getting 60 starts a year to a backup getting 30.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
The worst part is that the people clamoring for Bryz to be ‘traded’ are the same asshats that insisted signing him would automatically bring the Cup to Philly.
That said, his performance shouldn’t make a damn bit of difference given the defense in front of him. Geoff, I believe you actually authored several attempts at showing how a goalie – be he stellar or be he average – didn’t affect team wins that significantly, right?
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Not quite. What I showed was that the Flyers got good goaltending last year, and the difference between top-ten goaltending and top-15 goaltending was minimal.
People thought Bob/Boucher were crap last year. So my article said upgrading from how well Bob/Boucher played last year to the career averages of Bryz/Bob would have no effect on the goals against by the Flyers over the season.
There’s a not-insignificant difference between Tim Thomas and Al Montoya. I don’t think that difference is worth $4 million, but there’s definitely a talent difference between a 0.935 goalie and a 0.920. It’s 29 goals less goals allowed over 1,900 shots, or ~5 wins a year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Right – so 5 extra wins between Thomas and Montoya. 5 wins over an 82 game season is an additional 6%, but we’ll double that and say 5 wins is 5 less losses as well, so 12% (it’s the new math). Is Thomas paid 12% more than Montoya? Is Bryzgalov paid 12% more than Lehtonen?
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it’s not exactly like that. 29 goals is ~10 additional points in the standings. So a team with a goal differential of 0 will have 90-92 points usually. A team with a +29 goal differential would then have 100-102.
But you know as well as anybody that it’s not that simple. Chris Osgood was the definition of league average goalie, but the Red Wings had a positive goal differential despite him. How big of an impact did Dominik Hasek make?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 29, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I know. But knowing doesn’t always stop one from doing things.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
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Of course, leading the pitchfork wielding asshats. Tonight on DNL, he was pushing for Bobs to start on the WC.
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by doubleh on Dec 28, 2011 8:26 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I wonder if Bob got a special mask. Or maybe the airbrush artist could just white-out “Bryz” on his mask and make it say “Bobs” instead.
Awkward.
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by LeepinLizardz on Dec 28, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I support that choice, sans pitchfork. Bobrovsky’s last game against Dallas was some of the best goaltending we’ve had this year. Saved the team for a stretch in the second period but otherwise just a low-drama, high-quality outing. His game before that was the win in Montreal with something like 12 1/2 minutes of PK, 2+ of that 5-on-3. He’s playing better than Bryzgalov and it’s an important four-point game. Bryzgalov has half a season to get out of the woods. Meantime he can give quotes to HBO and talk to TurtlePecker between the benches.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 28, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I just hate the way panatch delivers the info and the “he HAS to play better” platitudes…the Flyers took a risk in paying him all this money, blah, blah, blah. His analysis is lacking to say the least.
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by doubleh on Dec 28, 2011 8:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i didn’t hear it but can imagine.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 28, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
He tweeted during the game last night something along the lines of “Bryz has to make some big saves”. All I could think was “where and when”. You don’t get the opportunity every game, and I’d rather see the guy make every basic save, since those happen all day long.
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by JerseyDriver on Dec 28, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
On DNL today he referred to them as “momentum” saves. Really? /eye roll
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Or another T-shirt, to paraphrase Lavy, “Typical Panotch”.
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by JerseyDriver on Dec 28, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Its still about the defense. They need a replacement for Pronger as soon as possible, which means a big upper tier defenseman.
I agree that it should always be about the defense. The problem is that this team decided it no longer was.
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