First place! #HartnellDown helps Flyers to 3-2 win over Penguins
by Travis Hughes on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 PM EST
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PHILADELPHIA -- Tonight's game was supposed to be taken over by Max Talbot and Jaromir Jagr, the two old Penguins who betrayed that fine city and its lovely people. They were supposed to score nine goals a piece, break some faces in and make little kids on the other side of the state cry themselves to sleep.
It didn't happen. Talbot and Jagr both had wonderful games, and Jagr came about a foot from wrapping up the game with an empty net goal at the end. Talbot had his chances, too. But they didn't take over the game, and they didn't make the story about themselves on this night when we all kinda thought they would.
Instead, it was another Flyer -- previously Public Enemy No. 1 in Pittsburgh, now presumably Public Enemy No. 3 -- that left his mark. His name is Scott Fartsmell, or as he's called in Philadelphia, Scott Hartnell. His goal in the second period made the score 3-0, but it turned out to be the game-winner, and man, was it the quintessential Scott Hartnell goal. Crashing the net, falling down on his way in. Perfect.
Better yet? The Flyers are your new leaders in the Eastern Conference after tonight's win. Enjoy that flight to Long Island, Penguins. We'll see you in a few weeks. More after the jump.
-- The Flyers definitely let off the gas pedal in the third period as the Pens tried to get back into it, perhaps the effect of playing the second half of a back to back. Early in the game, though, there was no detecting that. The Flyers were all over Pittsburgh in the first and second periods, and the only reason this game was close was Marc-Andre Fleury.
- Evgeni Malkin sucks. Video evidence:
-- Max Talbot is kind of the man. Talking about Marc-Andre Fleury: "He did the little scream after he does every save. He goes 'woo' and I was always on the right side of that, but it pissed me off tonight."
-- Ilya Bryzgalov looked really, really solid tonight. He seemed to be tracking the puck better than he has, and there didn't seem to be any ill effects of playing the second half of a back-to-back.
-- Was Danny Briere's first period goal the weirdest goal you've ever seen or what?
-- The Flyers killed a 5-on-3 in the first period in which two of their players had broken their sticks, effectively turning the Pittsburgh advantage to a 5-on-1. We'll have to thank Chris Kunitz for that, partially. Put him on your Christmas card list.
Questions with Answers
- How long until the first Crosby Sucks chant tonight, even though he's not even in the building? It took 3 minutes, two seconds of game time.
- How many hat tricks does Jaromir Jagr score? 88.
- How many faces does Max Talbot break? I lost count at 643.
- What's the one thing that happens in the game that we should look forward to seeing on HBO next week? Not from tonight's game, but uh.... this.
Comment of the Night
There once was a guy named Briere
About whom you should probably care
He scored on Fleury
It wasn't bore-y
The Penguins just have no skill there.This new guy who is on the ice
He just took a roll of the dice
His name is Wayne
He rides on the train
He put the puck in the net, quite nice.Our curly haired ginger Hartnell
Whose skills are starting to gel
Fell down on his butt
But then what, oh what...
He scored a goal as he fell.>> Chemistry66
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VICTORY!
:P
"Simba needs to sharpen his claws" - Ilya Bryzgalov, on Scott Hartnell
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Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Flawless Victory?
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Dec 8, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
And quite justified. Congrats on that one – inspired work outta you.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Has there ever been a bad interaction involving Hartsy? He seems by all accounts lovable.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
met him at a bar once, he wasn’t the most personable, wouldn’t sign an autograph. that’s about the worst thing I can say, and I understand
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Maybe if you had boobs like Katy Perry, the result would have been different.
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by doubleh on Dec 9, 2011 12:29 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Is that coming from experience, or just speculation?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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That last link
He seemed to be sniping at the goal. I think it’s really unique and pretty cool, though the effect is lessened because of the team he plays for.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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though the effect is lessened because of the team he plays for
In my opinion the effect is lessened because it’s Artem Anisimov, who hasn’t yet hit 20 goals in his career.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying he won’t ever hit 20 goals – just that he hasn’t done it yet, he’s not on pace to do it this season, and he therefore shouldn’t be celebrating in that way if he doesn’t expect people to not just think he’s a douche.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Almost the only one all night. Seemed like every time the Flyers needed a clear the puck hit someone or something and went right to the Pens.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
So, my one friend who is a Pens fan said that they lost this game because “it was a game for our scrubs”. His words.
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by Legion of Bullies on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 PM EST reply actions
Malkin – scrub.
Staal – scrub.
Fleury – scrub.
Kennedy – scrub.
DePuis – scrub.
Kunitz – scrub.
Orpik – scrub.
Cooke – scrub.
Sullivan – 29 games. scrub.
Neal – 29 games. scrub.
Asham – 28 games. scrub.
Martin – 29 games. scrub.
Adams – 29 games. scrub.
Vitale – 25 games. scrub.
I think scrub is the wrong verb. Whine is the verb.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 8, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
They are missing their best player, we are missing one of ours. We dressed 6 rookies, they dressed the ugliest man on the planet. I fail to see how there is really any difference. Except we won, they didn’t.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
It’s a little different. They were missing their best forward and best defenseman, as well as another pretty good defenseman and two depth players. We were missing Pronger, Schenn and Lilja, which isn’t quite an analog.
But a win is a win is a win.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Former friend?
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Dec 8, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I got the, “Congrats, you beat a team without Crosby” from my pals. I need new friends.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Would they support the team if there was no Crosby?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d more likely support the team if there was NO Crosby … but that’s just me.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Send them flyersfaninchicago’s list. And the Flyers injury list.
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How dare you claim that Pronger is anywhere near comparable to Crosby. How dare you!?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
And add the Flyers are playing 6 or more rookies and kicking your as with them.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Dec 8, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
“It was a game for our scrubs” = “Without Crosby we’re hardly worth shit.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
You should mention that “Team Tank” still had a #1, 2 #2s, and a #5 overall pick against a team that has had two first round picks since 1887.
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I always think the cooler call is to remind them that the only time the Flyers ever had a #1 pick was when they traded for one the year after they won the cup.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_NHL_Entry_Draft
#6
A sortable list for your perusal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philadelphia_Flyers_draft_picks . We’ve only had one #1 pick – Mel Bridgman (1975) – and only one #2 pick – James van Riemsdyk (2007).
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 9, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Right. The pick used on Bridgeman came in a trade w/ Washington; not actually our own pick. The lottery screwed us out of #1 overall in ’07.
Bridgeman. Look at all the others in the ’75 draft we could have had.
Forget Bridgman, at #108 in the sixth round we drafted a kid called Paul Holmgren from University of Minnesota. Imagine how different things would be if we didn’t draft him. It was a pretty good pick in the sixth round though, you get a future all star who’d put up 267 penalty minutes and 30 goals in the same season (1979-80).
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 9, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
We picked the first Soviet ever taken in the amateur draft. Viktor Khatulev, in the ninth round. Looks like doing so kind of screwed him for life.
Interesting that in addition to Bridgeman, we soon thereafter traded for Dean (2nd overall) and LaPointe (5th overall). We didn’t get a lot out of those three.
At age of 20, Khatulev became the first Soviet-born and trained player ever drafted by an NHL team. The Philadelphia Flyers made the historic selection at the 1975 NHL Amateur Draft in the ninth round, 160th overall, even though there was no chance of getting him out of the USSR. Khatulev was also selected by the Cleveland Crusaders in the ninth round, 116th overall, of the 1975 WHA Amateur Draft.
But instead of being allowed to play in North America, he was banned from Soviet hockey for five years in 1975 for fighting, though the suspension was later lifted. He was also not allowed to leave the USSR.
There are rumors that he was banned from playing because he was drafted, in order to prevent other players from thinking about playing in foreign countries and to make American teams forget about getting any Soviet players.
Khatulev himself learned that he had been drafted only in 1978 when he returned to hockey after his suspension was lifted. He also played also 6 games for Team USSR in 1977–1978 in the Izvestia Cup in Moscow.
He turned down an offer to move to Moscow and play for the USSR Central Red Army hockey club, instead preferring to remain in his native Latvia. (It should be mentioned that in Soviet times most of the best players were transferred to the Central Red Army club, and refusing such a transfer resulted in punishment.)
In 1981 Khatulev was banned for life from the Soviet Hockey League for hitting a referee during a fight with another player.
After he was banned for life from the Soviet Hockey League in 1981, Khatulev became a taxi driver. He later worked in a warehouse and struggled with alcoholism. He had also served time in prison for dealing drugs during his playing days.
Khatulev was found dead in the street in mysterious circumstances at age 39 on October 7, 1994.
Wow…
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 9, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
He wasn’t a bad player either, given this:
World Junior Championships – Gold (1974) (Unofficial Tournament)
World Junior Championships Points Leader (1974)
World Junior Championships – Gold (1975) (Unofficial Tournament)
World Junior Championships Best Forward (1975)
World Junior Championships All-Star First Team (1975)
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 9, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
Fleury – #1 overall 2003
Malkin – #2 overall 2004
Staal – #2 overall 2006
OMG we’re missing #1 overall in 2005, what can we do other than roll over and let other teams manhandle our B team!?!?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
wow..honestly i had no idea pens didnt pick out of the top 2 for 4 years straight…guess i didnt pay that much attention…..and only 1 cup in that time frame?
And they lost the lottery in 2004 despite having the worst record. Otherwise it would’ve been Ovechkin – #1 overall 2004.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ovie.
You forgot that they chose at #5 in 2002. They were in the top 5 for 5 straight years.
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The sad thing is that out of the 4 #1-#2s they had, the only ones they indisputably got right were the ones where there was really only one logical pick.
2003 – #1 – Fleury – really nothing to say other than look at the rest of the 1st round (apart from the Rangers’ pick)
2004 – #2 – Malkin – no-brainer
2005 – #1 – Crosby – no-brainer
2006 – #2 – J. Staal – they could’ve taken Jonathan Toews, Nicklas Backstrom or Phil Kessel
If it wasn’t for Crosby and Malkin, their run of picks could’ve ended up like Atlanta’s 4 #1-#2s:
1999 – #1 – Patrik Stefan
2000 – #2 – Dany Heatley
2001 – #1 – Ilya Kovalchuk
2002 – #2 – Kari Lehtonen
Good but no cup.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 9, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
JOrdan Staal….they could have taken CLAUDE FUCKING GIROUX.
Thank god they don’t draft well.
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I dunno … Staal ain’t no slouch either, and at the time they already had a projected top center in Malkin, so drafting a more defensive-oriented guy made perfect sense. Hindsight is always 20-20 … and I am willing to wager that Staal was ranked higher than G at the time by the scouts anyway.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Oh man that 03 draft…man can you imagine if some1 took both jeff carter and mike richards…man how good would that team be right now?
by reaper1221 on Dec 9, 2011 9:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Top team in the East with the leading NHL scorer…
Now if only Richards was still holding it down as our 3rd line center and Bob was still our starting goalie.
Or if we had Patrick Kane instead of JVR. THAT would be something.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 9, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Kane should have been a flyer…however knowing how this team treats high picks(see sean couterier) he probably wouldn’t have been as good
by reaper1221 on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea, probably lucky for him he didn’t get picked up by the Flyers. Never wouldda gotten shirtless in the back of that limo.
by hebrew hammer on Dec 9, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I wish I knew a Pens fan that said that. What a joke.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Anisimov needs to realize that just because 5 goals is more than Jeff Carter currently has, doesn’t mean he’s a good enough sniper to celebrate like that.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 PM EST reply actions
Obviously I follow him more, but if you’ve seen Anisimov in interviews with his awkward broken English and general ‘aww shucks’ attitude, you’d know it’s fairly unreasonable to think he was doing anything malicious.
If he doesn’t turn around and point towards (insert TBL player here), I doubt anything gets made of it. Even in the interviews today he’s basically said “i saw a former Russian teammate do it, I thought it would be fun.”
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by George E. Ays on Dec 9, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
As long as you’re not trying to injure another player, any display of emotion or that has a sense of play is cool, even (especially) if I hate it. Given how much is paid attention to respect and the code, etc. etc., random acts of bush league are good for the game.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 9, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
OK I can take your word for it.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 9, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Jagr LoL
i dunno what jagr was trying to do there trying to roof the puck from center ice on that empty netter and it almost cost us………..but that was such a boss thing to try LoL but he could have got giroux another point lol
BRYZZZZZZZY……thats what we pay u for bud
I was disappointed Giroux couldn’t get a point on the empty netter. He needs to build that gap on Kessel.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
he was robbed on that offsides call. How many times have we seen Malkin or diverboy a step or two past the line, and the linesman swallows the whistle?
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Important
If anybody by any chance caught that clip of Bryz dancing before they showed his highlights and has a video of it, that would be VERY much appreciated.
The Flyers beat the Pens and Leino gets suspended.
I call it “Full of Win Thursday.”
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 PM EST reply actions
and we’re at the top of the Eastern Conference with our top player at the top of the NHL Points Scoring race.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 8, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Former Flyers
I turned on the Wild-Kings game in time to see our old friend Darroll Powe score a goal. Oops Powe Surprise! Ohhhhh!!!
Darroll Powe is making $1,066,666 this year to be an energy guy for the Wild. He has 3 goals.
Meanwhile, Ville Leino is making $4,500,000 to be a scorer for the Sabres. He has 3 goals.
And I say Ah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
And Leino’s gotten himself suspended for one game.
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Dunno how familiar any of you are with the “Pensblog”, but it’s a pretty bad website. Was just surfing their threads from tonight for the lolz, and found this awesome quote concerning being from Philadelphia:
growing up in philthy causes you to be a raging asshole who guzzles cum, and being born to flyers fans doesn’t help.
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by Legion of Bullies on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 PM EST reply actions
a raging asshole who guzzles cum
Which ones of us aren’t?
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I wouldn’t say I guzzle.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I drink it from a tea cup with the pinky raised like a refined gentle woman.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
by doubleh on Dec 9, 2011 12:33 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 9 recs
I lol’d hard. Rec’d.
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Yeah, it’s a lot easier to choke on it if you guzzle it.
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IT'S TEBOW TIME!
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Pittsburgh…classy. There’s a reason they call that city the Pitt.
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Last time I went to the Pitt, I had to decide whether or not to kidnap some baby, something about it being part of a cure for mutated people. It was some scary stuff.
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by jello44 on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eww. Comments like that make me glad for both the City I’ve called home for the last 30+ years (Philly) and the team I have re-adopted as my own after some time apart (FLYERS).
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Pittsburgh is pretty nice now. I have a ton of fun when I go out there to visit my friend who now lives there. Honestly it has some great spots, people are nice, and I always have a great time.
As with Philly, never judge an entire city by a few assholes.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
10 year ago when I had friends in college it wasn’t nearly as nice. They had started to kind of bring the city back, but to see where it is now from where it was then, it’s really impressive.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Had you spent any time in Pittsburgh in the early to mid 70’s your appreciation of the city now would be tenfold. The pollution was terrible.
I feel like that can be said for a lot of places in the US as far a pollution goes. But then again I only know what i read of it, I have no first hand experience being born just outside of that decade.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Don’t get me wrong – I’ve been there as well. All things considered, (to paraphrase WC Fields) I’d rather be in Philly. Yes, the people are more open and pleasant, but that’s just the mid-west influence; everyone between the Appalachians and the Rockies is nicer than your average East Coast denizen.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
That’s fine, I’m just pointing out it’s not this complete suck people make it out to be.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Agreed on that – and as noted by mtitanic, it’s a helluva lot better than it used to be in both cities. It often seems to me that Philly fans are actually more accepting of other fans – hard as that may be to believe – because as with most Philly attitude, once you scratch the obnoxious and callous surface people here are pretty damn nice too.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
A great way to see the city is to put your blades on and skate the Marathon route. It goes through a lot of cool neighborhoods and gives you a sense of the depth of the city.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 9, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Marathon routes aren’t always so great. Part of Philly’s is horrible, at least in the first 13.1; I run a lot faster when I start passing the Cash for Gold stores.
I’ve run parts of the route as a work out while there, it seems decent, Oakland is probably the worst of the route.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Agreed. I did my skate on a late Sunday morning in early summer so it was a bit sleepy.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 9, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
True. I was surprised though by how few people appeared in their game thread last night. Maybe the “bandwagon fans” meme isn’t just a meme. No Crosby=no blog posters?
Steelers game = no blog posters
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Completely OT
I randomly ran into an old thread about Gagne and saw this comment from Todd:
I was thinking about this.
Round 1 vs Devils hero – Carcillo?
Round 2 vs Bruins hero – Gagne
Round 3 vs Habs hero – Mike.
So who’s going to be next on the trading block.
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by ToddtheFox on Jul 2, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up actions
hah
i don’t think we’ll see richards traded any time soon
by Alon on Jul 3, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up actions
Todd have you considered fortune tellng as a job?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 9, 2011 12:51 AM EST reply actions
Also OT
I just saw something about a list of NHLers who weren’t released to play in Canada’s national junior team. Couturier was amongst them. Does this mean the Flyers actually had an option to let Couturier play World Juniors?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 9, 2011 12:57 AM EST reply actions
If he does it’ll be a slap on the wrist, we all know how the nhl views the pitt, so there’s a fat chance anything will come of it…
by PhillyBuckeye12 on Dec 9, 2011 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
If he’d actually made contact, probably, but Giroux ducked at the last second and avoided the punch, so probably not.
I almost wish Malkin had of made contact though just so that there would have been a big dust up and someone like Simmonds could have kicked the living snot out of Malkin. That would have really been the cherry on top of this win!
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by Mitchell Green on Dec 9, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
When Pronger retires, Malkin inherits the Captain Elbows moniker. He’s known for that stuff. Simmonds would not back down from Malkin, but Malkin is a pretty big boy…
by Georgia_Flyer on Dec 9, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, but Malkin is still a pussy. He’d probably try to fight bongos style like Semin. Simmonds would laugh and proceed to mash his already hideous face.
Wait, is it possible that Malkin could actually become uglier than he already is? Gasp!!
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by Mitchell Green on Dec 9, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
That shouldn’t matter though. The end result should be independent of the intent.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
True. And it was an attempted shot to the head. We can only hope Lerch gets at least a fine.
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by Mitchell Green on Dec 9, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be happy with a call to Shero – “If Giroux didn’t have such good reflexes your guy would be sitting for 10 games. Next time he gets three just for trying. And I know you’re not going to complain to me. Imagine your reaction if Pronger did that to Crosby. Have a nice day.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 9, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Kunitz?
Chris Kunitz will never be on my card list, unless the card can open up and punch him in the nose. Hard.
That is all.
Is it wrong that I want the Pen’s to go back to irrelevance just because their fans are so insufferable?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I hope for this everyday of my life. I hope that franchise tanks again and they get moved or something. I so badly want to just point and laugh at them and see their sad little faces. Seriously, I wish the absolute and utter worst on that franchise and especially their fans.
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by Mitchell Green on Dec 9, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
You won’t see their sad faces. Remember Pens fans are Steelers fans. Steelers fans are the Cowboys fans of th AFC. When they’re winning they’re all over the place. As soon as they lose they run and hide.
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Truth.
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by Mitchell Green on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I am a Steelers fan – THAT certainly won’t change. Unless the Iggles suddenly begin to understand that ‘West Coast offense’ … played on the EAST COAST doesn’t make one bit of friggin’ sense!
And yes, there did seem to be an influx of people to watch the Superbowl at the Bishop’s Collar in the years after the ‘One for the Thumb’ Superbowl win. But we all knew who had been there watching when Neil O’Donnell earned every penny the Cowgirls paid him.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
The penguins were probably the most egregious example in the NHL of tanking for picks. Between the secret lottery that gave them Crosby, Rendell stepping in to build their new stadium, and the constant favoritism, it’s pretty easy to hate them. But as much as I hate diverboy and his bandwagon fanbase, it really is better for the NHL that they are filling the building.
Attendance issues in places like Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo were really bad for the NHL. Not every city can be Philly, Detroit, or the Rangers and conistently sell out.
Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.
Please
Between the secret lottery that gave them Crosby
Pelti, I’m not trying to single you out or anything, because you’re not the only one who says this.
Does anyone have proof of this “secret lottery” that “gave” the Penguins Crosby?
If not, it’s not worthy of discussion. Not to be all Twitter-y or whatever, but give me proof of this secret lottery or it didn’t happen.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’m telling you, tin foil stock is up.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
by hintzy64 on Dec 9, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also
I’m curious as to why we have the same discussions on here every time the Flyers and Penguins play. Don’t get me wrong, I hate the Penguins too. But I love the rivalry. I never want to see them go anywhere. I want the team to stay in Pittsburgh. Among other reasons, here’s a particularly good one:
Flyers’ Overall Record vs Pittsburgh: 138 W – 87 L – 30 T ( 926 GF – 780 GA )
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
the playoff series matchups are what..4-2 PHI?
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, it thought there was a lottery for sidney crosby? And the pens won it after picking second the year before…I guess he means what are the chances they get it
by reaper1221 on Dec 9, 2011 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Directly from the Wiki site. Regardlng the lottery.
As a lockout cancelled the games of the 2004–05 NHL season, the draft order was determined by lottery on July 22, 2005. Teams were assigned 1 to 3 balls based on their playoff appearances and first overall draft picks from the past three years. According to the draft order, the selection worked its way up to 30 as usual; then instead of repeating the order as in past years, the draft “snaked” back down to the team with the first pick.
So with 3 balls out of 48 the Pens only had a 6.25% chance the same as 4 other teams of landing the top pick. Due to the lockout that lottery was pretty non traditional. The Flyers had a 2% chance so it was pretty much a crap shoot and Pens got really lucky. Or you can by into the conspiracy theories with a struggling franchise threatening to move etc etc.
Talbot 5 Nodl 0 11/7/2011
As I recall, they just announced the results of the lottery after holding it in a backroom, it had no accountability
The rest of it is obviously speculation, but the fact that he ended up with a bankrupt team that was on the verge of relocating makes that easy
Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.
the penguins have never even had a real pair of balls so giving them three for a lottery pick is suspicious enough.
/gratuitous
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At least the one Pens fan I know grew up in that area and is legitimately not a bandwagoner. He’s a Pirates fan, too. If that doesn’t prove he’s in it for the right reasons, nothing will. (And he couldn’t stand Crosby for his first few whiny seasons either.)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I have a classmate who is a legit Capitals fan. (She is from the DC area.) She’s ten years younger than me but she remembers the Peter Bondra and Olie the Goalie days well, and she hates how they explain plays / penalties on the scoreboard at games now.
This all came up because I wore my “Bandwagon” BSH shirt to school one day.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
He’sathe Pirates fan, too.
Fixed.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
Unrelated to anything on here but my wife just found my Bobrovsky knit cap. It had been missing for a couple of months but she found it just in time for me to walk my cold ass to work. Time is yours
"All hail the Flyers" Jim Jackson.
Last Night....
I wasn’t able to post last night due to getting my tattoo worked on and then between watching Ben win a game on one leg and watching the Pens lose, I was always behind the live games. Lol
Man what a conflicted night for me. ;)
It was nice to see the Flyers come out with some speed especially have played back to backs and I shouldn’t have been surprised that Bryz was in nyet last night.
Anyways, I enjoyed the KP gif’s as usual and as always, GO FLYERS!
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
More KP gifs?!?! How often does this happen?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Usually at least every game when I’m around and it’s stressful.
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I only saw it once or twice last year and it was to distract from a blowout loss. But I’m not in game threads much. (Because the once or twice I was there, it was a blowout loss.)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
YOU DIDN’T TELL ME THERE WERE ZOOEY DESCHANEL PICTURES!!!!!
(Thanks, Dr. Steve!)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
And when I’m around (and sober enough to find them)
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Nice win Brzy came up big in the 2nd and 3rd and the NHL owes Giroux a goal for that horrendous offsides call.
Speaking of Bryzgalov did anyone else catch is little promo video where he is do a Hextall esque banging the pipes with the stick and posing for the video. He is making the silliest face especially compared to all the other videos I have seen where the players try to look all intimidating. I was laughing out loud and had to rewind the game to make sure I wasn’t seeing things. This needs to get on the internet ASAP.
Talbot 5 Nodl 0 11/7/2011
THE CODE lives. Too bad Tampa didn’t do anything when Ovi pulled out this celebration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa9vIQzzg38
Talbot 5 Nodl 0 11/7/2011
HEY GEOFF
14:02 PHI Zac Rinaldo : Interference – 2 min
14:10 PIT PPG – James Neal (15) Snap – ASST: E. Malkin (16) AND M. Niskanen (6)
Should I continue to accumulate evidence that Rinaldo is not improving his ability to help the team???
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Didn’t he draw a penalty on Finley in the Sabres game after leveling Ennis?
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Are you suggesting PF is being biased and only telling one side of the story? I am shocked! :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
one side of the story is being admitted yes. and for the record, buffalo scored on a rinaldo PP too
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Do you think the Flyers PK is worse with Rinaldo penalties versus everyone else’s penalties? That it would actually persist over time.
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i despise the guy, so I’m biased. But putting myself in an objective place, it’s merely coincidence that his PPs have resulted in a goal. I focus on them because I don’t like the guy, but in all reality, he doesn’t really hurt the team
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 9, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
After the stories out of the AHL last year, I really didn’t like him either, wanted him out of the organization entirely, and dreaded ever seeing him play for the Flyers. But I have to admit it’s going far better than I ever would have expected. I am still wary, but curious to see how it unfolds.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
There are a lot of instances where his reputation garners the call unfairly and others where his brain seems to leave his body. But the one thing I do like, is that the guy can freight train people.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Dec 9, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Whether it’s fair or not it makes a guy more of a liability, because you get the rep calls and the real ones. The most likely way this goes away is if he changes at least long enough for the officials to buy it. And if Rinaldo changes his game so he no longer risks the rep calls he’s not doing the kinds of things that arguably provide value to the team.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 9, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I just want to see what you are getting out. While it’s obvious to me, I want it to be obvious to everyone else.
I’m all for biased opinions as long as people don’t try to play them off as objective opinions.
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Go figure.
I’m not trying to take a side here, but you aren’t going to prove much by only tracking the penalties he takes and ignoring anything else he does.
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yup yup, and it’s fun to call him on the omission
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Also
You need to take into account the effect on the other team of knowing a guy on our bench is legitimately fucking crazy. He might take off his skate and try to stab you with it, or he might start knitting with wodden needles just so he can stake Crosby to prove he’s a vampire. You don’t know. Best to stay away from him.
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That would make him the second guy to try and stab some1 with a skate….any body know the first?
by reaper1221 on Dec 9, 2011 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Correct good sir! Have a cookie!
by reaper1221 on Dec 9, 2011 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let's be clear
To take off his skate and stab with it.
Because this happens a little more frequently:
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- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)
Spinning back kick, maybe?
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Hmmm … but for whatever else he brings to the table, I’d rather have Powe. Powe also drew penalties and made big hits, like BSC – but he also played good defensive hockey including PK time.
(Yes, I know, Rinaldo is half as much in cap hit …)
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
This isn’t really a Powe versus Rinaldo debate though. Let’s be honest, if they waived Nodl, they’d probably waive Powe too. I’d rather have both those guys over Rinaldo, but if you are tracking Rinaldo to just track Rinaldo, you have to be fair.
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True. I guess my point really was that the ONLY thing BSC brings to the ice is penalties … which is a bit of an overgeneralization.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 12, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Shocked! Shocked, I say! :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. I am merely accounting (for Geoff’s benefit, since he nuked me about how BSC was ‘getting better at not taking minor penalties’) how in the past two games he has taken two that directly resulted in opponents’ goals. I am actually just busting Geoff’s stones for his small (4 game) sample size in trying to say BSC was improving.
That said, I still don’t think the guy should be on the roster. But that is, as you say, a biased opinion.
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by MaximumTalbot on Dec 9, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve read through about half of these comments cause I’m quickly running out of time this morning… but is there a video of Briere’s goal? I apologize if there is a link in here somewhere and I missed it.
Also, I made a Bryz reference to my friend this morning telling him that “I’m glad he is home and not lost in the woods.”
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Here it is on Youtube, as well.
Actually, you can see all the goals on youtube at Flyers in HD
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by Mitchell Green on Dec 9, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, I hadn’t made it over to nhl.com yet to watch it. That’s a pretty crazy goal. Love that the Pens try to pick a fight after it, too.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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I just hate the video player that NHL.com uses. Youtube is always better.
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by Mitchell Green on Dec 9, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
That was exactly how Briere drew up that play, too.
Bob.
by The Dark on Dec 9, 2011 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shanahan
Has there always been the amount of suspensions every year that we are seeing this year or is it a case of officials trying to be more aware of possible headshots? Also, with the holidays right around the corner is Shanny going to start wearing Christmas hats in his videos?
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Dec 9, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions
Don’t remember this many, and god I hope so
by reaper1221 on Dec 9, 2011 11:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is way ahead of Campbell in terms of man-games suspended and number of suspensions.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
They also like him more because he has already met his fundraising quota for the Players Emergency Assistance Fund this year!
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by Mitchell Green on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Pronger Out Indefinitely
Are you there, God? It’s me, Mikefive. Cap-free buyouts in the NHL plz kthx.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Not with Schenn, obviously.
I think Chris Pronger is pretty much done.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Even if he isn’t, I think a cap free buy out is still a smart move with that contract.
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I’m hoping they will allow it, but I doubt it. If anything I see the new CBA further punishing those type of front loaded for life contracts.
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Quite frankly I don’t want to see them anymore either. But as I said to Eric, I think / hope that each team will get one get-out-of-jail-free card, given the Flyers’ pull with the league. Maybe they’ll do it with extenuating circumstances, like someone needing to retire due to injury. I can’t see them allowing it for a Kovalchuk/Bryzgalov situation.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Lately I’ve been increasingly convincing myself that we shouldn’t get our hopes up about buyouts in the new CBA.
There’s been a trend under this CBA of teams giving large front-loaded deals with stupid little years at the end to lower the cap hit. It’s an obvious attempt to stretch the cap to the verge of circumvention, and the league doesn’t like it.
I think the new CBA is more likely to make those contracts more painful (by charging for dollars actually paid like the NFL, by keeping the contract on the cap no matter what, by reducing the amount by which a contract can decline, or whatever) than to offer teams a get-out-of-jail-free card for the painful back half of these cap-circumventing contracts.
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You’re probably right, but my hope is that they allow each team to have like one or two buyouts, and then structure the CBA so that teams can no longer do the front-loaded contracts anymore.
Remember that in Pronger’s case, Homer thought he was doing a different kind of cap circumvention. He thought he was basically extending Pronger’s contract before he turned 35 so that he wouldn’t have an over-35 contract on his hands… it was not a Bryzgalov/Kovalchuk deal per se. Same end result, though.
I have hopes for at least one buyout per team, considering how much pull the Flyers have with the league (as we saw in the recent realignment decision / talks).
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Kevin Marshall and Marc-Andre Bourdon just had their prayers heard! Welcome to your extended stay in the big league boys.
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by Mitchell Green on Dec 9, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
So he had this mysterious virus that caused headaches and nausea and now “he has struggled with other issues that are concussion-like symptoms,” according to Holmgren per the press release link. Pronger had said last week that concussion testing was negative.
So I’m assuming this is Holmgren not taking into consideration that his words imply Pronger has a concussion, even though they’ve ruled it out, and not that this is some misdiagnosis or screwup on the part of the medical staff.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
So what’s this about Fleury going ‘woo’ after every save? Does he think he’s Ric Flair?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
maybe he pees himself a little.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Dec 9, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s the idea. I kind of love Fleury.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yeah, after last year’s 24/7 I really came to like Fleury and Talbot as personalities if not people.
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