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Phantoms Point Projections at the Half

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With our fearless leader returning from the All-Star Game, things have been slow around here. So why don't we check in on the Phantoms rookies and how they are doing compared to their preseason projections

If you recall (or if you clicked the link above), before the season I used Gabe Desjardins' AHL Equivalencies to try and get a feel for what the Phantoms would look like this year. Specifically, I looked at those making their AHL debut.

Then, we looked at their projections at the quarter pole, which yielded some pretty sad results. But things have looked up since then! The Phantoms have won 12 games since December 7th, compared to only 3 games before December 7th. So... Good for them!

Anyway, jump to see how the Phantoms' rookies are living up to their expectations 49 games in.

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Player GP G A Pts G A Pts
Luke Pither 44 19.8 31.9 51.8 14.9 11.2 26.1
Erik Gustafsson 45 3.8 36.6 40.4 7.29 43.7 51
Shane Harper 20 20.6 18.6 39.2 4.1 8.2 12.3
Mike Testwuide 45 26.3 12.5 38.8 7.29 23.7 31
Eric Wellwood 42 17.6 21.0 38.6 19.5 13.7 33.2
Andrew Rowe 42 22.0 14.2 36.3 13.7 7.81 21.5
Ben Holmstrom 49 10.4 16.2 26.6 13.4 18.4 31.8
Zac Rinaldo 41 6.2 9.2 15.4 4 8 12

All the way on the left you see how many games that player has played so far this year. The first set of G, A, Pts are the projections, and the second set are the player's current stats extrapolated to 82 games. Yes, there's no way Shane Harper plays even 55 games this season, let alone a full 82 like his 39.2 point projection is based on, but that's never been what we aim for. Instead, this shows you the point per game ratio and how that looks over the course of 82 games.

Lastly, this isn't about singling them out as deserving of blame or underperforming, but rather to look at how these guys are producing in their first year as professionals compared to what we were expecting in the beginning of the season. 

Luke Pither

Pither was the one player I was most excited for prior to the season, and while he had a very disappointing start to the year, he had trouble adjusting to the pro game. After being called out and put in the coaches' doghouses, Pither came out and earned the role I penciled him in at the beginning of the season: First-line center.

As a result, 11 of Pither's 14 points have come in his last 26 games. Hopefully he continues to improve as the season goes on. He is extremely unlikely to reach his preseason projection (he needs 38 points in 33 games), but it would be nice if he could get 21 points in his final 33 to show that he's on pace with his points-per-game projection.

Erik Gustafsson

Gustafsson quite clearly is the standout star among the Phantoms rookies. He is still outscoring his projections by over 10.5 points, and he's tied for the team-lead in points. He only has 3 assists in his last 15 games, and yet he's still on a 51 point per 82 game pace. That, obviously, is ridiculous.

It's safe to say Gustafsson has jumped over Marc-Andre Bourdon and Kevin Marshall as the team's premier defensive prospect.

Shane Harper

Unfortunately, Harper just hasn't caught on in the AHL. He's only played 20 games and only scored 3 points, which just isn't good enough, even on a terrible team like the Phantoms. The good news? He has 21 points in 20 games down in the ECHL, as well as a plus-10 rating. He's clearly one of Greenville's best players, but he just isn't producing in Adirondack.

Not sure what else to say except wait for next year. He clearly has skill, it's just a matter of it translating.

Mike Testwuide

Ah, the darling of the summer. What's remarkable is that he's performing slightly worse than expected, which wasn't that great to begin with. But this is exactly what we feared during camp: all that hype for a player who would have a good, but not great, year.

He has as many points as Eric Wellwood (the new darling) in three additional games, but what is surprising is that Testwuide is racking up assists rather than goals. For a power forward, you want to see him slamming in rebounds rather than creating rebounds, but since we can't watch the games, this is all guesswork. Regardless, Testwuide is on a 31 point pace, which isn't bad at all.

Eric Wellwood

Ah, Eric Wellwood. Every Flyers fan's favorite Phantom. As said above, he's the new Testwuide. So much hype yet a disproportionate amount of production. He's a good player, certainly, and we were fans of his from the beginning (read the preseason projection post), but everyone needs to take a breath and give him time.

He has 17 points in 42 games, or a lower points-per-game mark than Denis Hamel, Stefan Legein, Jon Kalinski, Michael Ryan, Erik Gustafsson, and Danny Syvret. Yes, the Phantoms are bad, and yes almost all of those players are AHL veterans, but Wellwood is not ready yet. He is a very good player, performing really well for his age and experience, but he's still learning the game. Don't rush him into an NHL job. He'll get there on his own.

Andrew Rowe

Rowe was someone who impressed at Rookie Camp, but he's currently stuck on the fourth line in Adirondack, fighting to stay in the lineup. He has two goals in his last three games, but before that, he only registered 1 assist in 15 games. He's well below his projections, but he was projected as the 5th highest-scoring forward and he still is.

Going forward, he will have to step his game up.

Ben Holmstrom

Holmstrom is someone the organization is high on. He's constantly talked about as a future Flyer, someone in the mold of Blair Betts. He's a penalty-killing center who is good at faceoffs, and he's surprisingly outperforming his projections by over 5 points.

He's currently on the second line with Michael Ryan and Stefan Legein, so he's come a long way since the summer. A pleasant surprise, indeed.

Zac Rinaldo

When he isn't suspended, Rinaldo finds himself on the third-line with Mike Testwsuide and Jon Kalinski, He only has 2 assists in his last 32 games, which is actually not far from what was expected. He was only projected to score 15.4 points over 82 games and he's on pace for 12.

Not surprisingly, he has 176 penalty minutes, which puts him on pace to reach 350 this year. That's nearly 4.3 penalty minutes per game. Forgive us if he's not a player we're excited for. A penalty machine who (not surprisingly) doesn't register points. But hey, he's a Flyers-type of player. Don't be surprised if he replaces Dan Carcillo, since he's only a $544,444 cap hit.

Conclusion

As a whole, the Phantoms rookies are underperforming their projections. The good news, though, is that most players are either exceeding them (Gustafsson and Holmstrom) or only slightly below (Testwuide, Wellwood, and Rinaldo). Further, Luke Pither is rebounding nicely, despite still being far below expectations.

But the fact is, when you rely on signing undrafted players and 6th picks (as both Rinaldo and Wellwood are), you aren't going to have a lot of talent. The Flyers found a good player in Gustafsson, but it isn't surprising that almost everybody else is struggling and/or not producing. And next year, when the Flyers could absolutely use young, cheap talent to fill out their roster, they - not surprisingly - don't have many options. But they did do a good job of signing AHL role players, so give them credit for finding Gustafsson, Pither, and Holmstrom.

As a side note, the AHLEquivalencies Gabe Desjardins helped me work out are doing a pretty good job so far of predicting what these players will do.

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Geoff,

Great article! I was all set to be disappointed in the results, but they’re not as bad as I feared. On a somewhat different note, what do you think of the pro potential of the Flyers 2010 draftees? My hunch is McGinn and Ranford look like good picks, but Chaput has disappointed. Agreed?

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by TNBrando on Feb 1, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks. The results weren’t nearly as bad as I expected either. But that’s probably due to low expectations. There was going to be a miss like Harper, and Pither was bound to disappoint due to the high expectations on a crappy team, but overall, they’re not doing terribly.

As far as the 2010 draft class, I don’t know much at all, actually. Most of the information on those guys I get from Flyer Faithful’s North American Prospect Weekly Report. McGinn and Ranford look good, but it is far too soon to tell if they have an NHL future. I haven’t seen much from Chaput, but he’s over the point-per-game mark for the first time in his career, so at least he’s improving.

The question then becomes: Is he improving enough to offset the expected improvement due to age? His numbers when he was drafted weren’t particularly impressive, so if the Flyers used a 3rd round pick on him, they must like something about him beyond the point totals.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for putting this up, good read during this hellish class I’m sitting in.

Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Feb 1, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

Post Directed at anyone who has watched the Phantoms

I watched the third period against the Penguins in the WFC, so I don’t have much watching under my belt this year so I have some questions for anyone who has.
First off, what are the lines… Here’s what I’ve been able to make out from this:
Line 1: ?- Pither- ?
Line 2: Ryan- Holmstrum- Legin
Line 3: Testwuide- Kalinsky- Rinaldo
Line 4: ? – Rowe- ?
Defensive Pairings?

Secondly:

It’s safe to say Gustafsson has jumped over Marc-Andre Bourdon and Kevin Marshall as the team’s premier defensive prospect.

From an offensive standpoint, sure. Anyone can see that. But look at us over the next few years, we really won’t need offense on the blue-line assuming four of these five stay Kimmo, Prongs, Carle, Mez and Coby. On a third line, I’d rather have a defensive guy than a scoring blue-liner. That said, if Gusty is THAT far ahead of former second and third rounders, is that more of a knock on them, or a credit to Gusty. Where do these guys legitimately project for us? Hockeyfutures is okay in projections, but they are so dated its ridiculous.

Wellwood vs. Testwuide: The “darling” competition. Wellwood came in and played well with Mike Richards and Andreas Nodl in his brief showing, what did Testwuide do? Have a good fall? I understand Wellwood is a third liner at best right now and doesn’t have a great ceiling, but he’s got a great track record of playing with elite players (was on Taylor Hall’s line in Windsor) and he’s done all that’s asked. If he can come into his own as a less physical Scotty Upshall, I’d be happy with that progression over the next few years. Scottie has never had a 20 goal season (his last one would have if not for injuries and this one should be), but I see lots of Upshall (except for the physicality) in Wellwoods game- just a guy who happens to be in the right spot at the right times and makes the smart plays.

by OrangeNblacK on Feb 1, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

I get my lines from Tim McManus. Last time he updated them, they were:

1: Hamel – Pither – Moore
2: Ryan – Holmstrom – Legein
3: Testwuide – Kalinski – Rinaldo
4: J.P. Testwuide – Bordson – Rowe

You have a very good point about the Flyers defensive needs, but Gustafsson has been compared to Kimmo Timonen, both by Matt Carle and Eric Wellwood. I said the same thing during Rookie Camp. In other words, he’s an offensive defenseman, but that’s because he has intelligence and vision, like Carle and Timonen. In fact, I think he’s the most likely one to get to the Flyers because Coburn is slowly becoming – if he isn’t already – a defensive defenseman.

Gustafsson isn’t ready for the NHL yet – he still has to work on positioning, strength, and intelligence – but he has a legitimate chance to come into camp next year and take the #6 job from Bartulis, Walker, and anybody else they sign. As far as the Marshall/Bourdon talk goes, I really don’t know much about Marshall’s performance this year. Bourdon was impressive during preseason, then quite disappointing during the season, then he started to turn it around, and he immediately went down with a concussion. Both were projected to be 3-5 defensemen in the NHL, but at least one of the three won’t be in the organization at the end of next year.

I like your comparison of Wellwood to Upshall actually. At first I didn’t, but it grew on me. Here’s the thing about Wellwood: 95% of Flyers fans have seen him play, at most, 4 professional games. Everyone is talking about him, and it pisses me off. But regardless, I think you have him pegged pretty well. A less physical Upshall.

Oh, and for anybody high on Wellwood, look at his numbers in Juniors last year. Fifth on his team in scoring, where only one person was older than him. There’s a legitimate reason he was a 6th round pick. There were 171 players taken before him.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Geoff – good read. A couple items to add. Gus is certainly the best prospect from an offensive D and PP point perspective. However, Marshall is by far the best defensive D man on the team. He has really stepped up his game the last 6 weeks. He plays his game simple and with grit – I think his game translates to the NHL level sooner than Gus at this point but certainly won’t produce the offensive numbers from the back line that Gus would.

Also, with regard to the lines – I would say that the 3rd and 4th are interchangeable. Lastly, Renaldo has such a reputation, he can’t even make a good, clean hard check without getting two minutes from the ref or run by the opponents enforcer. For that reason, he looses shifts as he has taken marginal / untimely penalties.

Thanks for the coverage on the Phantoms.

by Adkmac on Feb 1, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate the comment on Marshall. He’s someone I’m not that high on, but a lot of people seem to be. I hadn’t heard anything about him lately, so it’s good to hear he’s playing well.

I get the feeling that Rinaldo is being penalized for his reputation, and while I’m sure that’s ridiculously frustrating, I… don’t care. haha, that sounds awful, but when you draft that player, you know that’s going to happen. Is it unfair? Sure. But he earned that reputation, so he’s going to have to get rid of it. And that most recent suspension is not how you get rid of your reputation. I guess what I’m saying is: He may be getting penalized for clean hits, but he’s still a dirty player that hasn’t proven he no longer deserves that reputation.

And thank you for your input on the Phantoms. Like I’ve said before, all my knowledge at this point comes from numbers, Tim McManus, and you. So, thanks.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Wellwood reminds me of Darren Helm: fast, defensively responsible, great on the penalty kill, but pretty much limited offensive finish. However, like Darren Helm, he will be a guy who comes thru with some clutch scoring in the playoffs. Look at his playoff point totals and memorial cup totals. The guy has some success there for being a defensive specialist.

by psuhockey on Feb 1, 2011 6:56 PM EST reply actions  

He had a good 08-09 playoffs, but his 09-10 playoff numbers suggest his “clutchiosity” is more reputation than truth.

And no, I don’t believe there is such a thing as “clutch”.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But look at his numbers!

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Feb 3, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

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