Are the Flyers looking to trade Dan Carcillo or Jody Shelley?
by Travis Hughes on Feb 18, 2011 2:08 PM EST
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From the Columbus Dispatch this morning:
Rumors from Philadelphia suggest that the Flyers are trying to trade one of their tough guys, Jody Shelley or Daniel Carcillo.
Though the Blue Jackets would be reluctant to commit more than $2 million to Shelley, it makes for an interesting discussion given his enormous popularity during his six seasons with the team. If Shelley were to put 300 or 400 fans a night in those empty seats in Nationwide Arena, he might make it worthwhile financially in addition to what he adds on the ice.
Interesting take, there, from the Columbus perspective. I wouldn't necessarily mind it. It's not a secret that one of those guys is dead weight every single night now, especially after the addition of Kris Versteeg and even with Peter Laviolette's insistence on benching Nikolay Zherdev.
You have to worry about injuries in the playoffs and needing to fill those holes that would be left by trading away some of the depth, but then again, there's always Eric Wellwood if push really came to shove. If you can get something for Carcillo, who seems like he'll be gone in July anyway, shouldn't you at least give it a shot?
The same goes for Jody Shelley. If you can get something in return for a guy that's certainly replaceable in the lineup, while perhaps clearing cap space at the same time, why don't you try? I guess there is something to be said for the chemistry thing, but still. It's at least worth exploring the options.
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In an ideal world we would ditch them both and Kaberle wouldn’t be going to Boston for less than he’s worth but trading Shelley would be nice so we could acquire another player before the deadline.
by ryanitus on Feb 18, 2011 2:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He is a rental, and they got Boston 2nd best prospect. I don’t think that was a bad haul fro Kaberle at all.
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That’s true I forgot his contracts up after the season so you are right.
by ryanitus on Feb 18, 2011 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kaberle did nothing for Toronto now or in the future. Them getting what they did for him made sense.
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True but I think the additions of Kaberle and especially Rich Peverley are great, Peverley is the type of player who does it all, in my mind he would of been a great guy to have in a Flyers jersey and in my mind they and the Lightning will be our biggest competition now and in the playoffs. As much as I hate to give the Bruins credit for anything they made two great trades today without losing much, Wheeler has talent but I don’t see him being the game changer he was thought to be when he was drafted so high by Phoenix.
Besides play very well for a team that never paired him with talent? Check out the Toronto fan reactions, he was a lone bright spot during a very dark period.
Besides play very well for a team that never paired him with talent? Check out the Toronto fan reactions, he was a lone bright spot during a very dark period.
None of which helps them win games, so like I said, he did nothing for Toronto.
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Thats like saying Richards doesn’t help us because we haven’t won the cup, you can be a successful player just because your stuck on a losing team, besides he wasn’t always without talent, there was a good chunk of time where they had this guy named Mats Sundin, and don’t forget Bryan McCabe, Ed Belfour, and Gary Roberts. He had talent around him up until Sundin’s last season in Toronto.
Eh, they haven’t had much since the lockout, really. They have minorly under-achieved, but for the most part, they’ve just had the wrong players.
True but they have no defined leader nothing really to build around in the future, in their case you can’t constantly ship players for just picks or prospects sometimes you have to hold on or get a young guy in return, they got Luca Caputi last year and he’s under achieved as well as he’s spent most of the year in the AHL, they have a great defenseman in Dion Phaneuf but for some reason he has lost his offensive talents which is really what made him such a threat, he’s still a tough physical defender, but they definitely need more from him. Gustavsson has been a fail so far as well due to his health and others haven’t panned out either, Versteeg didn’t fit, they shouldn’t of dealt Stalberg either the man has great scoring ability he’s just buried on a deep Chicago team.
Thats like saying Richards doesn’t help us because we haven’t won the cup,
It’s nothing like that at all.
Thanks for the history lesson, I am well aware of who has played for the Leafs.
Here’s a history lesson for you, I said…that Kaberle did nothing for the Leafs now and in the future. I said nothing about the past.
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So Toronto finally traded Kaberle after 2 seasons of trade deadline and offseason rumors. I’m glad this means there will never be a Kaberle to Flyers rumor again.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Feb 18, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
“there’s always Eric Wellwood.”
Ugh. I guess it’s to be expected when he’s the only forward in the system with even a “good” chance to make the NHL.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 2:22 PM EST reply actions
Stop hating, just give in.
Haha, no but I agree.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 18, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think I’m going to support Lanci’s meme. Hail Mike Testwuide.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Rinaldo is just another tough guy we don’t need, like Wellwood and Testwuides potential though.
by ryanitus on Feb 18, 2011 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rinaldo is probably going to be in teh NHL next year. The Flyers love him.
Testwuide? His potential isn’t very high. Neither is Wellwood’s, to be honest.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
"there’s always Eric Wellwood."
Ugh. I guess it’s to be expected when he’s the only forward in the system with even a "good" chance to make the NHL.
Rinaldo is probably going to be in teh NHL next year. The Flyers love him.
Flip-flopper.
Touche.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
In respect to Geoff, Rinaldo only will be making the playoffs because he fits the gallbladder like use to the Flyers organization, not because he is a functional part of the team.
Wellwood would be more like a pinky finger.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
playoffs = team. whoops
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks. I would have said that, if it wouldn’t have been construed as “Geoff once again cannot be wrong.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I welcome your thanks as long as Rinaldo is now referenced to as “Gallbladder” and Wellwood as “Pinky”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eh, I’ve been calling Rinaldo “Happy Gilmore” for a while now. I like that better.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
If only one could persuade Rinaldo to stop playing hockey. Where is Chubbs when you need him?
Oh yeah, on Arrested Development
“You gonna eat that?”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
No they aren’t high but still I’d put those two in the lineup over Rinaldo any day, I don’t have much respect for players who spend more time in the penalty box each game than on the ice, they are a waste of salary and a waste of roster space. Carcillo I like because he can be a tough guy and has some offensive abilities then you have the guys like Riley Cote, Zac Rinaldo, and Jody Shelley who offer nothing but fists and penalty minutes, something the most penalized team in the league does not need.
I bet Rinaldo gets something like a 20 game suspension in his first season on the NHL roster a la Downie.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Feb 18, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
The full quote was “there’s always Eric Wellwood if push really came to shove”.
Which seems like an interesting way to put it in an article about trading Carcillo or Shelley. Wouldn’t Rinaldo be more the guy we’d want if push came to shove?
Thank you. You exposed Travis’ lazy writing.
hahaha I keeeed. I keeed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to see Rinaldo in the playoffs, just to scare people. Not sure Lavi could afford the impending fines though.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
enforcers don’t scare people. you know what scares people? the scoreboard
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Rinaldo isn’t an enforcer. He’s an ear biting maniac. Everyone loses games. Not everyone gets permanent scars.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and so you hope that Rinaldo will scare a guy like Crosby into not scoring?
Falso. Crosby will skate around him, score, laugh at him, and continue on with his day
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Which player is best? FALSE. Goals are better then players.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
last time i checked in a single game the team with the most goals wins
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Pulling a Dwight AND a Madden? Impressive.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
If your theory about enforcers were correct then the Toronto Maple Leafs would at least be making the playoffs.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ooooh, I like that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Believe it or not after being a Stat Monkey for a day or 2 it changes your view on hockey, from being just an observer to an active participant.
For me anyway
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
He could pull a Happy Gilmore and stab him with his skate.
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that’s also a choice, but it wouldnt look good for the flyers having the charge of aggravated assault levied against one of their players
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Either works for me at this point. Shelley’s services are at the end of their lifespan for this season. I would like to keep him for next regular season but you can get a heavyweight on the open market. Carcillo has been a waste in my opinion from the minute we sent Upshall and a 2nd round pick to save 300K. WTF was that about. Carcillo would obviously be better depth player for the playoffs over Shelley who won’t see the ice until Septeber.
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Shelley has no use when the playoffs start, NONE!!!!! His contract is hard to trade, not impossible but will hurt us on what we get back.
Carcillo could be a serviceable for a game a round if needed. His contract is perfect to trade.
I want Z on this team, whether scratched or in the lineup come the playoffs.
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carcillo+zerdev+shelley in a 3 team deal for umberger and upshall. boom. party like its 2008.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Feb 18, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions
RJ is premier. Upshall is a bust, even with the increased playing time he’s recieved.
Zherdev to the Devs could be interesting though.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
How do you consider Upshall a bust?
In 49 games last year, he was scoring 2.70 pts/60, 15th best in the league. This year, he’s down to 2.05, 4th most on his team.
Did you expect him to be a superstar? That’s the only way I see him as a bust.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Considering where he went? Yeah, He’s a bust. There’s so much slack on that team, that it’s got an Islanders-like effect, where a player with a handfull of talent and a modest amount of speed is going to have all the puck-time he can handle. It inflates the numbers artificially.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
put him with Giroux and Carter and then we’ll see. Zerdev is more skilled, but Upshall might be a better fit being a team player and the fact that he might actually se playing time under lavy unlike zerdev
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Feb 18, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, so players who go to places where they are given an opportunity to succeed are considered busts, regardless of whether they succeeded?
This then means that Ville Leino, Patrick Sharp, and many, many others are busts as well.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think your painting my argument unfairly.
It’s not that he fits in better, it’s that he’s a big fish in a little pond, as opposed to a little fish in a big pond.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Again, wouldn’t that be more impressive?
If Upshall is the big fish in Phoenix, he should be getting tougher opposition. But either way, how you can call a guy a bust despite him producing is beyond me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
ill tell you whats impressive. he destroyed a new jersey devil and then called him a (rhymes with hussy). his jersey should have been bronzed and placed in the Flyers HOF
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Feb 18, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, It wouldn’t.
If the puck is on your stick for a minute a game, you’re not going to do as much with it in that one minute as you would if you had it for five.
I don’t get how you think otherwise.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
If the puck is on your stick for a minute a game, you’re not going to do as much with it in that one minute as you would if you had it for five.
I don’t get the argument here. Sure, you’ll have a greater sum total. But he’s more properly judge by rate of production, which is independent of time spent on the ice.
What does this have to do with:
Upshall is a bust, even with the increased playing time he’s recieved.
Saying something obvious like “I can do more with the $5 than $1” doesn’t prove that he’s a bust. It doesn’t really prove anything.
Instead, you’ve called him a bust and not backed it up with any reasoning.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
If you’re going to ignore facts, go fucking nuts man.
I dont know how you call him anything other then a bust considering he’s done nothing more then most other half-skilled players would in the same situation.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 19, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
haha, what facts? You haven’t backed up your contention with any facts whatsoever.
He’s leading his team in goals/60 and 4th on his team in Pts/60.
Last year, he was 1st on his team in goals/60 and 2nd in Pts/60.
Man, what a bust.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 19, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
When you realize enforcers are an ancient artifact, you free your mind
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions
yea, did you see the box scores recently?
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by MJDII on Feb 18, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pdaddy, you can’t be serious. A few isolated events and they confirm 2 million dollars in salary?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you’re fucking with me lol
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I understand the stance. But I think a young guy like Rinaldo can be called up and sent down saving the team money here and there. the enforcer doesn’t need to be a mainstay on the team
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, so because of a few outliers, he makes a good point? That’s the absolute dumbest damn thing I’ve heard in awhile.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Im guessing you mute Coatsey’s Corner?
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Coatesy is flash and no substance. He’s around simply because he cracks jokes
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Funny guy, but hockey education isn’t his strong suit
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Drinkin’ beers, telling stories and jokes is so lay off the man. He mad Clarke laugh which was hard to do so thatis why he is aroun for life.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
This has nothing to do with Shelley…
But I feel like Coatsey brings down everyone’s hockey IQ. Not to say he doesn’t know the game, but more so the stuff he talks about, his bits and delivery, and the poor job he does explaining anything hockey related that happens to be serious just seems to make people less intelligent.
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I’ve met you a few times now, but It’s still not enough to know you
So I’ll just go ahead and assume you don’t follow my and Vansteel’s approach to hockey games; that of getting piss drunk for every one.
Only under these conditions can you reach Coatsey’s level of communication.. And then the man is a fucking genius.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think so at least. He’s funny, goofy, and a drunk. All good qualities.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t stand him at all, and can’t wait for the day he leaves the broadcast.
He also is a total a-hole…at least the couple times I’ve had the brief chance of interacting with him.
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Now it’s out there. He ain’t into hipster dudes so he is an ahole. When are the tee times starting.
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You and I have had different experiences.
Regardless of who he is as a person, he makes my ears bleed during telecasts, which is enough for me to hate him.
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I feel I lost a lot of respect for you right now. I’m gonna need some time before I can talk to you again.
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I don’t see the Flyers trying to trade Carcillo or Shelley just to get rid of them. There would have to be another player coming the other way, forcing them to open up a roster spot or create some cap space. I have no doubt that Homer’s still burning up the phone lines calling other GMs, though.
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Not just the best hockey movie… it’s the best sports movie and best comedy of all times. Just genius on so many levels. Also was written by a woman ;)
Come deadline time, teams are content to find one-dimensional players if they fill a perceived need. A team looking to add grit entering the playoffs – always a nice asset when you face an opponent for up to seven games in a row – will see Carcillo as a positive rental. It’s quite clear he won’t be resigned here, so he’s available now. Shelley really doesn’t have a playoff upside, so Carcillo is more marketable. As much as Zherdev doesn’t fit within Laviolette’s system and loafs with a questionable attitude, a team looking for a scoring boost could take a gamble on him. I see him going for a conditional draft pick. His only value to the Flyers is injury depth in the playoffs, but since Laviolette’s teeth clench every time he hits the ice, that may be unlikely.
I’d much rather they get rid of Nodl and Shelley.
Nodl plays half assed most games, and we’ve already got the Premier model of half-assed with Carter.
Shelley is a slow goon. We need a fast goon. Just the way it is.
Chico I want to see stay. Fast scrapper, draws penalties.
Zherdev I want to see stay as well, but… YEah. Not gonna happen.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 2:49 PM EST reply actions
So you want Nodl out because you think he plays half assed, but you want Zherdev to stay…
Maybe you think Zherdev plays completely assed?
Zherdev doesn’t play half assed, he plays (seemingly) like he thinks he’s a superstar, Cherrypicking, expecting puck possession, etc.
It’s a flaw, to be sure, but He’s been trying his ass off with what little ice time he gets.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
with what little ice time he gets
This is completely overblown. He’s logged 586 minutes of ice time. More than Shelley and Carcillo combined. Not far behind Nodl.
He got benched late in a game once or twice and it turned into this huge “the poor guy can’t get any ice time” meme that just isn’t true. It’s not the 900+ minutes the top 6 have gotten, but it’s not so little either.
When last I saw the stats, Zherdev was 2nd amongst Flyers for goals per minute.So it’s not a matter of getting more ice time then others, it’s that he’s playing well, and if you put on the blinders and look only at his numbers, he deserves far more ice time.
Besides, You can’t rationally make the same arguments about ice time when comparing a goal scorer to situational players like Chico and Shelley.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that he deserves more ice time than he’s gotten. But “with what little ice time he gets” doesn’t sound like you’re saying he deserves more, it sounds like you’re saying he’s hardly getting any.
If what you mean is “he gets a fair amount of ice time, but should be playing in every game and maybe getting another minute or so”, then I agree.
When compared to Nodl, He seemingly deserves to stick around more. He tries, he produces. Nodl, not so much.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Meh, the only thing more overblown than “Zherdev isn’t getting any ice time” is “Zherdev has been stuck with the fourth line when he does play”.
Here’s his list of most frequent linemates:
Carter (41.2%)
Giroux (39.0%)
Richards (32.4%)
JVR (30.4%)
Nodl (21.6%)
Powe (8.6%)
Betts (7.5%)
Shelley (6.7%)
Hartnell (5.9%)
Briere (4.2%)
Leino (1.5%)
Carcillo (1.0%)
Cry me a river, his most common linemates are Carter, Giroux, and Richards.
I mean only that he shouldn’t be playing on the fourth line ever. So, your sentence would read that "he gets a fair amount of ice time, but should be playing in every game with quality linemates and maybe getting another minute or so"
Seriously Austrians and there work ethic, they are just the worst.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
SO are you just lumping ALL Austrians in a General statement in questioning their Work Ethic ?
Generalization at its finest
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no, you done did it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
By half-assed players, I think of Lupul or Semin, not Carter or Nodl. I really don’t even get where thats coming from.
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I get Carter because his stride makes him appear lazy, even though that’s not the case. I also am willing to listen to people who say he doesn’t use his size as effectively and consistently as he could. But all that aside, Carter has had a fantastic season IMO.
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Rumors from Philadelphia suggest that the Flyers are trying to trade one of their tough guys, Jody Shelley or Daniel Carcillo.
Did they cite a source? Or should we assume this is speculation turned into rumor?
i think it’s purely speculation but the elation this site has for such speculation makes it rumor
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
This article looks like bullshit. Between the Mr. Rogers pastel-painting and this a paragraph:
The Flyers also are reportedly trying to trade forward Nikolay Zherdev, a former Blue Jackets first-round pick who is an enigma everywhere he plays. Coach Peter Laviolette is said to be so fed up with him that when Ville Leino suffered a lower body injury this week, he planned to put Shelley in his place instead of Zherdev. Leino subsequently was cleared to play.
He can’t even be bothered to do basic research? Get fucked, lazy reporter.
Not to mention that he couldn’t be bothered to look up a synonym for enigma when describing Zherdev.
quandary?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I googled shelley carcillo trade…
Looked through the first 100 hits, the only two that suggested the Flyers were looking to trade one of those two were his article and a reposting of his article on another site.
Seems pretty clear he’s turning speculation into rumor just like B/R. Let’s write a 1000-word post haranguing him for it.
That sounds like a lot of work. Let’s tell him to get fucked, instead.
by Snevik on Feb 18, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what happened the last time B/R made speculation and it became true.
lol I know it’s total bullcrap, but if this was true and we were able to unload Shelley I’d be happy (I don’t care about Carcillo, we can keep him or lose him in the offseason). But getting rid of 2 years of Shelley would be fine by me.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Feb 18, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t we just give Shelley away? I mean, lets not let things like 7th round picks get in the way of moving this deal forward.
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It’s what Tampa Bay did with Walker.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well, they at least got Gagne. I’d be more then happy to just get noting in return from Shelley going far away.
Although, If Jody Shelley is reasoning to get more fans in their seats, then they really don’t deserve a pro hockey team.
Samesis
Depends. If its people coming to oggle his wife, then maybe.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
But that was kind of my point. We gave Gagne away, and still had to take Walker. Not really seeing how we give Shelley away.
by BroadStreetBully on Feb 18, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Carcillo Hate?
I may be in the minority, but I don’t have a huge problem with Danny Carcillo or his game. Our tremendous depth of talent keeps him out of the lineup some nights, but I find his contributions valuable.
He’s really toned down the chippiness in his game since we acquired him, and I think half of his PIMs are for infractions called on his reputation more then his actions. Carcillo’s definitely not the talent that Zherdev is, but he’s better without the puck. And he may not be quite the heavyweight that Shelley is, but he’s a much better all around skater and player.
Look, I’m not saying that Car-Bomb is an asset to protect and keep in the lineup every game, but sometimes I think he’s a much more valuable player than a lot of other Flyer fans. He is, at the very worst, an excellent pest, and there’s a place for those guys on a hockey team.
I agree I think that he has definatly Improved and Matured and grown in the last year.
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I think Carcillo is a mush better player on a top line with stars then he is on the 4th line with checkers. Case in point, last year compared to this year. If he is gonna be stuck on the bottom line, I’d rather just see him go and actually be good for some team.
Samesis
I remember he had that one sick goal against (I think) Toronto in the regular season last year. He also had a big goal in the early playoff rounds, if I’m not mistaken…
I love carcillo, but hes too good for the 4th line, thats why his numbers are so bad this year is all I’m saying. I’d rather him go somewhere and actually be a good player next year then burn n the 4th line.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 18, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
You really have a thing for goons don’t you?
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Carcillo is gone after this year anyway so if they can get something for him great, if not, whatever.
Same can be said for Z. I am honestly shocked he hasn’t been traded yet. Either teams are really scared of the various reports of him being lazy, or the Flyers are somehow trying to or expecting to get a good haul in return for a guy they are willing to be a healthy scratch.
As for Shelley, if they can get out from under his ridiculous contract then amen. I would take a 7th round pick for him and call it a day.
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You could make a case for sending a 7th round pick the other way, a la the Upshall trade.
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I say who cares about a 7th pick for next year …Keep Carcillo,keep Zherdev, waive Shelley and go for it. I think Powe Carcillo and Betts makes up a great 4rth Line. This is repetition from myself and others, but man what’s wrong with having 3 scoring lines? I wish Zherdev would play with Giroux and Carter. You have the best 2 way line in the league with Richards JVR and now Versteeg, you have Briere, hartnell and leino matching up 2nd lines (for those who say this line can’t play defence, last years playoffs they spent the entire time in the oppositions end, that’s good defence in my opinion) and you have a 3rd line that is more talented than almost any 1st line in the league playing against 3rd lines…That is crazy depth…Why not Nodl? Cause Nodl is not gifted offensively and Zherdev is…You cannot line match, because there are 3 lines that can be # 1 lines, with a great energy line…Everytime I see the starting line-ups I cringe…Like many others I think Laviolette is a great coach, but I think he is icing an inferior product. Play your best players already.
FWIW, I don’t believe the Flyers are shopping Shelley at all. Not for a second.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions
Nor do I. But it would be nice.
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Carcillo, yes. Shelley, no.
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Who’d want him? He does very little for a high price tag. He was one of Homers worst decisions. For every great deal he’s made he’s also made a bad trade as well.
As was said above, he’s a pest. And people HATE playing against him. That kind of guy draws penalties like shit draws flies. He skates well, he’s physical, and can score the occasional goal. There are teams out there that would pick him up.
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I would be fine with the Flyers paying someone to get rid of Shelley. Like our 5th round pick this year + Shelley for a 7th round pick this year.
The fact that he adds nothing to this team combine with the fact that he has 2 years and 2 million left on his contract, to me, gives him negative value.
If we could clear that 1.1 mil off the books next year, it would go a long way towards resigning Leino.
Agreed. Depth is great in the playoffs, but Shelley only fits on one line. I would rather have Zherdev in the pressbox than Jody Shelley. Move him now if there is a taker, dump the salary and clear the cap space. The roster is set, with Zherdev and Wellwood there to fill in gaps if we need them.
by 35undefeated on Feb 18, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
A brave new world.
Wow I wake up and its a whole new world….Boston has made some excellent moves.
And
more trade speculaton. I think we would all be happy with Shelly if he was being paid what he deserves. A can of tuna a game. Unfortunately he makes more than I ever will. In a life time.
I think Carcillo has more fans in Flyerdom to have him stay. Both would see little playoff time but thats fine. Reg season is enough.
I don’t know why Nodls name is being thrown around-for 3rd-4th line he is the shit.
So if there is a buyer for Shells-let em go.
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Why all the hate? The so called “goons” help sell tickets to games. Contrary to some opinions on this board, its the goons that make this game great. I used to look forward to games with potential “goonage”. Lets face it, it wouldn’t be hockey without the Carcillo’s and Shelly"s,. The would rename it FHL, Fairies Hockey League. I guess if you never played the game, you will never understand.
Not a huge fan of Shelley but guys like carcillo havent had jobs in the nhl and skated in playoff games just because they “sell tickets.” Carcillo is valuable to this team in a playoff situation- more so than Eric Wellwood. hes got some skill and can fight a little bit. Shelley cant really fight and only scores against the flyers which doesnt help us much.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 18, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
geoff I though we had something special! How could you?!?
I"m telling mom
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Carcillo's my lover
Bobrovsky's my savior
Hockeys my life
by Cillo stache on Feb 19, 2011 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
A) Carcillo isn’t a goon.
B) Fairies Hockey League? That’s terrible.
C) “if you never played the game, you will never understand.” Ugh. Troll.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 19, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Played the game my whole life, since I was 5, I’m now 30, and I can’t stand goons in hockey in today’s game.
Maybe a goon hit me too hard in the head and I have no clue what I’m talking about anymore…that must be it.
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Is this the right room for an argument?
You should follow the KHL and the Chekhov Vityaz, rather than the NHL. It would suit you more. Actually, just go watch MMA. It’s hockey and goons, without the hockey.
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