Our plans for tomorrow's NHL trade deadline
by Travis Hughes on Feb 27, 2011 6:02 PM EST
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PrintThe Flyers are probably set when it comes to roster moves and trades, but that doesn't mean we won't be here tomorrow as the 3 p.m. NHL trade deadline arrives.
Beginning at 12 p.m., we'll have a live discussion thread here for all the deadline talk. At 2 p.m., I'll join Frank Seravalli from the Daily News for a live deadline chat over at Philly.com, so be sure to get your multiple browser windows ready.
For full deadline coverage, be sure to check out SB Nation's trade deadline hub, featuring all the coverage and analysis from around our 35 hockey blogs. Get yer F5 button ready.
Also, at SBNation.com, we have previews of every team at this deadline, broken down by division: Atlantic, Northeast, Southeast, Pacific, Northwest, Central.
Keep up with all the trade rumors over at SBNation.com as well, and be sure to check in early and often all day tomorrow over at the SBNation.com NHL page, where we'll have all the trades and all the analysis.
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After the thrilling event that was last seasons trade deadline, I can’t WAIT for this one.
Mourning Gagne forever.
haha, sarcasm?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 27, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
David Karp says
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 27, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Keep up with all trade rumors at ?.com.
VERSTEEG never got "called up" to play in the NHL, he called up the NHL and the league jumped at the chance to play hockey with him.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 27, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry to be that guy. I am, in fact, a good editor. ;)
VERSTEEG never got "called up" to play in the NHL, he called up the NHL and the league jumped at the chance to play hockey with him.
Haha, no problem. We just call it “.com” in house so it wasn’t that big of an error.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 27, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
The biggest question of the day will be; how many internets does it cost to procure Versteeg?
Mourning Gagne forever.
You can always have Nick Boynton.
VERSTEEG never got "called up" to play in the NHL, he called up the NHL and the league jumped at the chance to play hockey with him.
The trade deadline, along with the 1st day of free agency, is one of my favorite days of the year. Why the hate?
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Something I just noticed
We don’t have a single homegrown defensive regular. On offense almost every key player we have is homegrown (notable exceptions: The LBH Line). Why is that?
Are the Flyers that bad at drafting and developing defensemen? Or does Homer just figure “That’s why we have Nashville.”
Defending Carter until 2021...
DMen take a long time to develope often past the initial entry level contract. Look at the guys we have acquired Mez, Coburn, and Carle are all young though not drafted here. Factor in that DMen have long careers there is not a lot of roster turnover. And finally draft position NHL ready DMen are usually really high picks top 10 not a lot of late 1st rounders.
by chrislanci on Feb 27, 2011 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with all of that. So are we just really bad at developing defensemen?
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Yea, that would be one way to define being bad at developing…drafting talented players is a part of development. I don’t consider 6/7 guys as a good job developing. If we had developed a few top four type defensemen and then also had some 6/7 guys I would think that we are developing players to their potential. By only having 6/7 guys homegrown I tend to think one of:
1) We’re not good at it
2) We’ve adapted the Red Sox/Yankees approach to pitching: Let the small market teams invest in scouting and development. When they can’t afford their players anymore we can. Essentially, it’s cheaper/more efficient for us to purchase a good from the outside than it is to produce it in house.
And yes, I know our tendency to actually be successful makes drafting high end defensive talent difficult.
Defending Carter until 2021...
I think they’ve drafted well and developed fine, but lacked patience.
From 2000 to 2008, they used first round picks on defensemen four times. All four — Justin Williams, Jeff Woywitka, Joni Pitkanen, and Luca Sbisa became defensive regulars in the NHL. All four were traded away while still young.
“Lacked patience” sounds more pejorative than I mean it. I’m not commenting on whether the trades were right or wrong, but I think they’ve repeatedly viewed a young defenseman as a good trading chip.
Correct.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 27, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
“Patience” was the key word here. The Flyers have a real strong “win now” mentality. As was discussed, defensemen generally take longer to develop.
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The argument that defensemen take longer to develop
That’s like if I said Philadelphia doesn’t do a good job of graduating kids from high school and you were to say “well it takes a while to get through high school.”
Also, it’s not like the FLyers have only been in existence for 5 years. If you want to say defensemen take 3-5 years to develop I agree with you, but I’m pretty sure that we were drafting players in the past 3-5 years, so…
Defending Carter until 2021...
Woywitka was traded after half a season with the Flyers, so I don’t think we have any information about how well they developed him, but they did select NHL-caliber talent.
Pitkanen and Sbisa both became regular defensemen for the Flyers before being traded, so I don’t see any sign that they failed to develop them, only that they were willing to give away a young defenseman in trade (rightly or wrongly).
That’s all the first round picks they’ve used on defensemen. They had no second round picks from 2000 to 2005 or 2008, so it’s just Kevin Marshall (21 years old), Michael Ratchuk (traded after one year on the Phantoms), and Denis Bodrov (playing in the KHL) who we’d have to use to judge their ability to develop second round picks.
Comparing the Flyers to a school system whose students drop out doesn’t seem right to me. If we’re going to use this analogy to judge the first and second round picks, we have two kids who transferred to other school districts in elementary school (one of whom has graduated), two kids who graduated and went to college in another city, and two who are in 8th grade and getting C’s. Is that really a failing school system?
I don’t think I meant to be that deep. I just meant saying they take a while to develop isn’t related to whether we do it well. Perhaps a less touchy analogy would have been more appropriate.
How about…
That’s like if I said a large corporation didn’t do a good job of finding people coming out of college and developing them into leadership, and you were to say “Well it takes a long time to develop someone into a senior leadership position.”
What I meant was that just because it takes a long time, that doesn’t necessarily say anything about whether we do a good job of it.
I’m also not necessarily talking about elite defensive prospects like Doughty, Phaneuf, Myers, Coburn, or really anyone taken in the first 20 picks. I am more referring to what seems to be an inability to develop players in later rounds (3-7) into NHL caliber defensemen. Any professional club should be able to take Drew Doughty or Dion Phaneuf and turn them into an NHL defenseman. That’s all.
I don’t really think we’re bad at it, I think it’s an organizational philosophy regarding prospects in general: The cost benefit of development isn’t worth the effort. We have the revenues to go out and sign these types players. Would it be nice to have a stocked farm system with a ton of cheap talent coming up? Yes, that would be nice. On the other hand, why not use those assets (draft picks, cap space, and prospects) to improve the NHL roster? The Yankees/Red Sox/Phillies do it all the time. Why spend draft picks on pitchers when you can sign the big time free agents? It’s simply not worth the cost and risk.
Defending Carter until 2021...
I think we do have good D Men in the System, more than forwards.
We have Drafted or Aquired:
Marshall
Bourdon
Gustafsson
Syvret
These 4 I think have a Legit Shot at the BIGS some day but D men take longer to develop and I think with our Roster acquiring via Trades – Some Veteran D players like Meszaros, SOD and Carle (Last Season) that it has caused a blockage of flow of D Prospects from the AHL to get a chance to play on the BIGS.
To be honest. I think our Phantoms Defensmen prospects have more talent than the Phantoms Forwards that we have. Mike Testwuide & Eric Wellwood might be the Exceptions to the Norm but the rest are either only going to be Career AHL’ers (Rinaldo Clackson) or are NHL Busts with Baggage (Hamel Legein)
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I’m not so sure Syvret qualifies under legitimate shot at the being a full-timer in the NHL anymore. I think it’s up in the air at this point, but he might be a career up-and-down guy. I could be wrong, but I think his chances to stick permanently at the NHL level might be starting to dwindle. We may not realize it, but he’s several years older than the other 3.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 27, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
you may be right. But I dont know, i may be hanging on to just that sweet goal from the Winter classic but I dont know I think he still has a chance.
Do you know how old Kjell Samuelsson was when he finally made the NHL as an Everyday D player ? he was I think (I am guessing ) 27 or 28 yrs of age.
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Panaccio is reporting that there is a good chance the Flyers could add another forward before the deadline tomorrow and is throwing Marty Reasoner’s name out there. I honestly don’t see the point of adding another forward at this point, unless the price is virtually free.
We’ve got plenty of forwards, and if Zherdev keeps up his play (I recognize that it has only been one game), I really don’t see how he fits. I would have rather added Kovalev for a 6th/7th rounder.
This doesn’t make sense to me either. I don’t think we have any chips left to trade for anyone good enough to contribute.
by IG on Feb 27, 2011 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would take Reasoner as cover/replacement for Betts quite happily. He’d fit cap wise, and plays on the PK. He also plays decent competition and does ok.
I don’t necessarily think the Flyers need him, unless Betts is injured for the rest of the season, but I wouldn’t mind if they acquired him at a reasonable price.
Mourning Gagne forever.
Marty Reasoner???
The Flyers can’t afford to put any more contracts on the team unless they trade or demote somebody.
If they do that, they either demote Zherdev for the rest of the regular season, or they trade someone. Probably Carcillo, swapping one expiring contract for another.
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Demoting a player isn’t enough; they have to trade one or more away. Boynton was contract #50. No mas.
Yep. We have to have just as many going out as we can take in.
Plus, it should be noted that LTIR does not buy you any space on the 50-man reserve list. So if you hypothetically have a bunch of guys on either the NHL or AHL injured list (let’s say Walker, Bartulis, and Lappy) you don’t get to hand out 3 new contracts to replace those injured players, they still count toward the total.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 27, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
The link to the pacific division leads to the central division .
by Phuck The Penguins on Feb 27, 2011 8:54 PM EST reply actions
I really think that Versteeg and Boynton are the only additions that the FLYERS are going to do this year. I think that the Trade Deadline will come and go without any moves for the FLYERS. Maybe something for the AHL Phantoms level but nothing for the FLYERS.
We kinda Struck first this year. & I really do not thing we have any room on the Salary Cap Space to add anyone anymore,… do we?
I dunno I may be wrong at the roster space, BUT .. I am predicting an “all is quiet on the frontier land of FLYER-ville.” for tomorrow.
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We could certainly fit in a guy like Marty Reasoner, especially someone who is a UFA at the end of this year, making less than 2 million. We’d have to either trade Carcillo/Shelley (pleaaaaaase) or dump a contract from the farm team, though.
I wouldn’t mind a smidge more forward depth. Signs point to Z riding the pine more often than not in the playoffs unless his attitude does see a major shift in the last part of the season. And Shelley will be fairly useless by then too. To expect to be fully healthy up front during the whole run is quite optimistic.
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