Thursday Morning Fly By: Yes, You Will Read a Caps Site Today
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- The East beat the West in the AHL All-Star Game, and there's a great anecdote about Erik Gustafsson meeting a fan in the locker room: [PostStar.com]
- You could win front-row tickets, if you buy an autographed hat from Danny Briere's charity: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Very interesting article as Bobby Clarke says he wants someone to wear his #16 again. How do you feel? [Philly Sports Daily]
- The article on Glens Falls in the AHL, including technology, attendance, and their future: [PostStar.com]
- Denis Bodrov registered an assist on his team's only goal yesterday, a 5-1 loss: [euroflyers]
- Andrei Popov was named to Team Russia for the Prime Euro Ice Hockey Challenge Tournament. No idea what that is, but Team Russia! Woooo: [euroflyers]
- The Rangers are starting to get healthy again: [NHL.com]
- Mike Smith was waived by the Lightning: [Raw Charge]
- It's time for the Panthers to start winning or start packing for another city: [NHL.com]
- Audio of Evgeni Nabokov meeting with Gary Bettman: [Down Goes Brown]
- A truly fantastic article that needs to be read. It revolves around whether Alex Semin is streaky or not, but the larger question is: A 14.5% shooter who takes 3 shots a night, just how likely will they be seen as "consistent" by fans? Great work: [Russian Machine Never Breaks]
- Lastly, Stephen Whyno does good work. Unfortunately, he's just dead wrong in his "Case for Jody Shelley to be in Flyers Lineup" story. Look for a point, counterpoint later today: [Philly Sports Daily]
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Does anybody think that somebody is going to claim Mike Smith? I really dont think that there is a team in need of a backup goalie anywhere. But I could be wrong.
I highly doubt it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
better question
is Mike Smith even a backup goalie?
"[Weber] shoots like MacInnis, hits like Stevens." - Jeff Marek
I am convinced that athletes for certain sports have certain “names.” Do you know what I mean?
Pekka Rinne? Claude Giroux? Great hockey names.
Pedro Feliz? Ryan Howard? Great baseball names.
Dwayne Wade? Evan Turner? Great basketball names.
Aaron Rodgers? D’Brickashaw Ferguson? Great football names.
“Mike Smith” is just about the most generic name you can get. And this is coming from someone named Mike.
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Is Detroit still looking desperately for a goalie? There were playing an AHL journeyman when Howard went down. They lost Nabokov…
by NickFotiu4HOF on Feb 3, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Although once the crown jewel in the Brad Richards trade touted as the a solid starting goaltender for the future has been hampered by concussions and inconsistency. He is probably done in the NHL.
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I really hope he’s not done. I wish he could get another shot with some team because yes, I believe he can be a solid NHL goaltender. When/If he finds his game, that is.
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Hey for the sake of the guy’s career me to, but this was talked about on Marek’s HNIC radio show and this was the consensus. It’s a shame.
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It is sad. He just cleared waivers.
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Yeah, I was surprised by this. Just two years ago, he put up awesome numbers for me in my fantasy league, with the exception of wins. He played great, TB just never scored goals back then.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Ah… I wouldn’t put it on TB not scoring for him. He tried to play through a concussion last year. Ever since then he could never find his game and be consistent.
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Preds-centric game preview here, which includes a Q&A with Travis.
"[Weber] shoots like MacInnis, hits like Stevens." - Jeff Marek
What the hell would Travis have to say that would interest us? We hear his samsies schtick everyday around here.
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Yeah, seriously. Dude’s an asshole.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Well, when you say things like this, why would we listen to you?
Bob doesn’t need to be Brodeur or Hasek.
You should have said Brodeur circa 2003 or something like that, cause Brodeur circa 2010/11 is trash.
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You’re right. I clearly wasn’t thinking.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, well let me clarify even more on my own work.
You should have said nothingBrodeur circa 2003 or something like that,cause Brodeurcirca 2010/11is trash.
You never say something positive about a division rival! EVER!
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Haha, I know. Should have thrown the /sarcarsm tag on it.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Along these lines though, Travis, what ever happened to the “Five questions” thing you used to ask with the other SBN blogs before game? Lack of interest, or did it just die off?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
It just died off, but we brought it back today!
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
It may be total coincidence that the team looked out of sorts after the break, and I fully expected the winding down of Shelley in the line up as the playoffs neared, but Shelley is liked by the players and has a place in this line up. Cutting him cold turkey will have an adverse affect on the team. All year I have defended his ROLE in the line up and this has been an almost flawless year of hockey, so having that role has absolutely not hurt the team. Archaic or not, guys like having a heavyweight on the bench, whether or not it deters bad behavior can be argued ad nauseum. Guys don’t like change in the routine and personell, so I would bet money if you polled the team they would prefer Shelley dress.
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The thing is, Steve’s argument for Shelley is flawed. And arguing to take out Nodl so Carcillo AND Shelley can play is ridiculous.
As we agreed earlier this year, only one of Shelley/Carcillo should be in this lineup. We can argue over who that should be, but to say that both should play is ridiculous.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
The better hockey player should be in the lineup, and Carcillo’s the better hockey player, yes? Easy decision.
"[Weber] shoots like MacInnis, hits like Stevens." - Jeff Marek
haha, that’s what I say.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Carcillo is not better on a defense centric 4th line with Powe and Betts and since that is where Shelly plays I think Shelly should stay. Ideally I think all would rather see Nodl there over Shelly but Carcillo isn’t any better up front in Nodl’s place on the Richie line.
This will be addressed at the deadline. Nodl is regressing back towards his nickname NO GOAL and as failed to cash in on A+ prime scoring opportunities game after game. Danny is getting mixed in on Richards RW now especially in games where the Flyers are behind. I like Nodl but I think it is a 3rd liner at best and this team doesn’t have a 3rd line it has 3 #2’s at worse and Nodl just doesn’t fit there. He should be moved down to the Betts line in the playoffs and get someone in here who is a scoring threat around the net.
Ugh. I’m pretty sure Don called this in the beginning of the year. You’re all about Nodl when he’s scoring, and even admitting you were wrong, but now that he isn’t scoring, you shit on him again.
Andreas Nodl is not here to score! Why do people not realize that he is on the Flyers THIRD line. Yes, the Flyers have a third line. And they’re doing a phenomenal job at shutting down the oppositions’ best, allowing Briere – and thus, the Flyers – to succeed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I did indeed say Chris would go back to this when Nodl wasn’t putting the puck in the net. Sometimes a spade is indeed a spade
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I wouldn’t be frustrated if he didn’t get the chances but the blown opportunities game after game is killing me. I keep saying how the hell did he miss that and then oh never mind it is Nodl. The Richards Gagne Knuble line also played against the top lines and generated a lot of offensive.
I complained about Carcillo and Asham and Powe being used with Richards as well. We can get someone who can finish who can also play responsible 2-way hockey. Because Richards is a terrific playmaker and his wingers gets scoring chances especially does around the net.
I don’t care, I just knew it would happen. You have every right to complain if you feel you should. I’m fine with moving Nodl to the 4th line as long as you can find a better option. But again, I think you ignoring what Nodl is asked to do, and what that line is asked to do.
Side Note: The fact is, Richards has had the chance to play with talent, and it hasn’t worked outside of having Gagne to his left (which I wanted this year over Nodl, I actually hope Nodl would get traded to a team that would give him a real shot). Also, there is something to be said about getting to the right spots to have those opportunities.
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Hmmm… This made me wonder. I don’t know if anybody already did it or not but can anyone compare Richie’s numbers when he had Gagne here and when he played without him? I’m just curious. Not trying to prove here anything… As I said, just curious.
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As I said, just
curioustrying to stir the pot.
Fixed.
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I know during Gagne’s amazing bounce-back season (08-09?), Richards had his best offensive year. But outside of that (even with Gagne), he hasn’t been an offensive player.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
So basically, we have unrealistic offensive expectations of Richards?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
At 5-on-5, yes. He’ll get his 70-80 points, but most of that will be on the PP.
People don’t understand what he does. He’s not a 5-on-5 offensive forward by any stretch of the imagination.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Despite all that Richard is having his best 5 on 5 point production season. 60% of his points scored 5 on 5 and is on pace for another 75 point season without Gagne.
Knuble meant more to Richie than Gagne 08-09 was Knuble’s last year here. That big body creating traffic helps Richie gives him room to work and a screen to shoot through. That is why JVR is working up there. Creating screens and traffic.
Guys like Knuble and Hartnell for that matter mean more to players because of there willingness to stay at home in the crease and swab the deck. Knuble would be a help to anyone, but I agree.
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But Hartnell also can’t handle that top line competition it is hard thing to replace. Guys who can play smart against the best in the world and still finish offensively. Richards Gagne and Knuble were all like that. You can’t have enough of those guys on a team.
But on that team though the top two centers were Richards & Carter. Not anymore. Briere has to play center as I have been saying and has been proved and Giroux should still be playing that #2 Center position. Fucking Carter!
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Fucking Carter!
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Haha, it looks like it.
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Richards Gagne and Knuble were all like that. You can’t have enough of those guys on a team.
You wanted that trade though, didn’t you?
Nevermind, don’t answer.
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I’m hurt.
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But you benefitted regardless. So you should be ecstatic. What is more appealing to you. Gagne in a Lightning sweater or a Flyers Sweater? Or Gagne in no sweater?(beat you to it)
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Bahaha... niceee.
I got to see the last option not so long ago. Fantastic. Uhm… anyway… If everything was totally up to me, Simon would still be a Flyer. He would be a Flyer for the rest of his life.
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But I think Knuble’s role of being the big body creating traffic in front only really works if the other two guys on the line can work well together to use the rest of the space. Knuble makes the pair of them better, but you can’t remove Gagne from that equation.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think Gagne was more important to Richie from a defensive hockey smarts two-way responsible way. And Even as Gagne offense slipped that remained true and why they always had good chemistry.
Then I don’t understand why you think Knuble meant more to Richards than Gagne did on that line. You can say they were both important, or equally important, but I can’t see how Knuble was more important.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
But Gagne only played 58 games the following year, so your conclusion is not entirely correct. You are judging a year with 79 games with Knuble and Gagne, to a year with 58 games just with Gagne. You can’t make a conclusion on Knuble’s importance based on that information.
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Wait:
Despite all that Richard is having his best 5 on 5 point production season.
But clearly, Nodl isn’t cutting it. He must be upgraded because he sucks and is dragging Richards down.
60% of his points scored 5 on 5
He’s also 0.91 points/60 higher than last year, where he was 7th out of 13 forwards. This year, he’s… 6th out of 12 forwards.
Just how is he an offensive center when he’s in the middle of the pack?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Despite all that Richard is having his best 5 on 5 point production season.But clearly, Nodl isn’t cutting it. He must be upgraded because he sucks and is dragging Richards down.
Along those lines, I want to point out that Richards’ G/60 (0.91) isn’t all that different from past years — 0.83 last year, 0.91 in ‘08. What’s up this year are his assists, which…I dunno, maybe it’s just me, but when I see a player’s assists go up, I don’t think “jeez, his new linemates are dragging him down.”
I’m sure you already know this, but for other people:
This blockquote was me being utterly and entirely sarcastic.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely agree with that. He just always seems to be in the middel of the pack amongst Flyers forwards. I just can’t get onto behindthenet, to see if that’s always the case.
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I feel like we just had this conversation.
He was above average/near the top in 07-08. That was the only year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know where to go to see the actual combined ice time of Gagne and Richards. I think people over sell those two as line mates. Gagne missed 20 or so games and then took 20 or so games to get his head out of his ass, but Richie still had a good year???
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In 08-09, Gagne played 79 games, so you must be mixing up which year Geoff was referring to.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
What Jen said.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Gags had his head in his own ass? That’s new to me.
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I would love to actually see the two of you in a bar and what you would actually do in that situation. I think it would almost be like the first time you actually see Mickey at Disney when you are 7. A 6 foot mouse scares the hell out you.
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two of you
Me and…?
And omg, 6 foot mouse… that sounds scary :D
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You and Simon. You would probably freeze up, maybe not but it would be very interesting. With no school what are your days consisting of? Do you work?
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If I ever met Gagne in a bar,
the closest to my likely reaction is this .gif:
And after staring like that for some time… God knows what would happen.
My days? Since I’m still somewhat sick I wake up late and just hang around because there’s also a flu epidemy over here so I can’t even go out. Which is driving me nuts a bit. And I don’t have a job but when it’s needed I help in my dad’s company.
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Nice mustache.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Tell Geoff to run a WOWY analysis…he’ll do it for you.
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haha, I’m doing that right now.
Go here for 09-10: http://timeonice.com/playershots0910.php?team=PHI&first=20001&last=21230&shawn=18
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s a better and easier to understand WOWY. It will take awhile to load, and it’s from 09-10, but here’s what it says:
When Richie and Gags were together, they were 21 goals up, 21 goals down. A 0.530 Fenwick and a 0.520 Corsi.
Without Gags, Richie was 20 goals up, 19 goals down. A 0.530 Fenwick and a 0.518 Corsi.
I’m pretty sure in 09-10, Gagne didn’t help Richie, but Richie helped Gags.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’d buy that. Gagne didn’t have a great year.
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I KNOW!
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Game 4 against Boston?
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Correct.
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I was at that game… he scored that goal at “my” end of the ice.
Waiting for the Kat Jealousy Meter to rise…
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Sadly, I was at the other end.
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You weren’t in 124?
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Yeah, I was, that goal was at the other end wasn’t it?
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Nope. Our end.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Wow Don… just wow… I can’t even… wow…
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In fairness, I’m just outside of the blueline, in the nuetral zone, so nothing happens at my end. But I could swear that celebration happened at the other end. The again, I may be thinking of Giroux against the Hawks, but I thought both were down there. My memory sucks with stuff like that, hence why I like stats, and Mike’s is far better, but he could be wrong, like maybe a 1% chance of him being wrong.
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My dear… I could never forget things like that, haha.
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What end did it happen on then, closer to the Flyers bench or Bruins bench.
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Flyers.
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Ok, I was wrong then. Apologies. But I also don’t care haha…sorry.
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Haha, it’s okay. I remember only Gagne moments. Not the team moments.
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So doesn’t that make you a Gagne fan and not a team fan?
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
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I always thought that it was like: Lightning, Flyers then Gagne. I was wrong. I can no longer lie to myself… Gagne took over the first place long ago.
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I remember other things. Like every moment of game 6 versus the Bolts, and where I was for everything. Last years playoffs were a blur because I just didn’t think it was possible.
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I was so nervous during Game 82 and that whole series against Boston, it’s all a blur. But I enjoyed the NJD and Montreal series.
I liked the Finals during and immediately after Game 4. By midway through Game 5, not so much.
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Both of those goals were at “our” end (as was “Carcillo! Carcillo!”) although I was not there for the Giroux goal. I was at Game 4 of the SCF.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
I was in Florida for a wedding for Carcillo. It’s the only one I missed.
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I was in Florida for a wedding for Carcillo
Did Carcillo clone himself and get married in Florida while playing that game in Philly? Or did you go to a wedding down there in his stead?
I love parsing. It’s the closest I come to messing with people.
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Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Speaking of Carbomb…where the hell is Cillo?
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Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
I meant in general, I haven’t seen her around here much lately. Or am I totally wrong on that?
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Let me rephrase, Gagne didn’t have a great regular season…that better.
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Ehhhhh… okay, I’ll give you that.
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Maybe that Talent Zherdev in particular couldn’t play against the top level competetion that Richards line is asked to play against. Mainly because he is too irresponsible with the puck and back checking etc.
Same could be said for Giroux but mostly likely he didn’t work out because Giroux and Richards are both playmakers 1st or like to hold on to the puck or the chemistry just wasn’t right or their wasn’t enough time. Or Giroux just worked better playing at Center or playing at Carter.
There a plenty of other reasons why besides Richards being overrated offensively 5 on 5.
Yeah, let’s ignore those other stats. Also, don’t look at his % of points on 5 on 5 versus special teams to tell me how good he is 5 on 5. Instead, use something meaningful, like his 5 on 5 points per 60. After all, you would expect his % of 5 on 5 points of his total to go up if the PP is struggling, wouldn’t you.
Please use the right stas for your argument. If you do, and you paint the picture you’re trying to sell, I’ll buy it. Until then, the stats tell me you are wrong.
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For his career he averages 50% of his points at ES. This year he is getting 60% of his points at ES and Richards is on pace for a simliar 75 point total. Hence his ES P/60 must be higher. Factor in less ES time per game this season compared to the last 2 years down. Than is much higher as shown below.
ES points / 60
2010: 2.36
2009: 1.45
2008. 1.94
2007: 2.21
Again, % of points is telling me nothing, because it’s dependent on how well he does on the PP as well.
I need these numbers in context, where does he place amongst other forwards on the team. If I don’t have where he places amongst the other forwards I don’t know how he performs in conext. For instance, his 1.94 may be more impressive in 2008 than his 2010 2.36. If he is constantly in the middle of the pack for the Flyers forwards (like the 2.36 this year is 6/12), than the point stands, he isn’t a dominate 5 on 5 player.
I can’t access Gabe’s site, so you have to do the homework.
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Factoring in qualcomp which he has pretty much always lead the team in since 2007 never been lower then second only behind Gagne in 2008-09 (0.109 vs. 0.114) I think the fact that he is been top 5 1/2 in P/60 is pretty damn good.
But Carter has typically been are most production 5 on 5 player something I was saying the either offseason when everyone was bitching to trade the guy.
That 2.36 is mid way on our team. But this team is dominate 5 on 5.
League wide Richards ranks 32nd amongst forwards with more than 40 games played.
So if Richards isn’t as dominate 5 on 5 as we thought neither are the following guys who have a worse 5 on 5 P/60
Getzlaf
Sharp
Ovi
Franzen
Bobby Ryan
First: Mike Richards is one of the best players in the League. The only two people typically mentioned on your list are Ryan Getzlaf and Alex Ovechkin. But Ovechkin isn’t a two-way player.
Second: Where did those guys rank on their teams?
Getzlaf was 1st on his team in QualComp, 1st on his team in P/60, and 4th worst in Zone Starts.
He is just as dominant as we thought. Comparing him to Richards based on their scoring doesn’t work when the Ducks aren’t a strong offensive team.
None of those proves, though, that Mike Richards deserves a scoring winger because he’s an offensive player. It proves that Mike Richards is one of the best players in the League.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t the one who wanted to use Pts/60 as a metric on 5 on 5 offensive prowess. I was just trying to put that 32nd in the league rank in prospective. All those guys are really good. The fact that 5 of the top 30 guys in the Pts/60 category is pretty amazing.
But Getzlaf does have pretty damn good linemates.
I’m not saying don’t use Pts/60. I’m saying look at them in the context of their teams. Richards’ Pts/60 don’t translate to Anaheim, because Anaheim doesn’t score as much.
You did a good analysis. I just think you showed Richards as a really, really, really good player. I don’t think you showed Richards as a player deserving of an offensive role on this team.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
We will have to let the deadline due the talking.
Something that caught my eye.
Tanguay is leading his team in qualcomp and 2nd with Pts/60 with 2.38 higher than Richards he could be a huge addition.
I like Tanguay.
But I disagree that whatever the Flyers do will answer the argument. Even if they keep Nodl on the 3rd line, that doesn’t prove my point. What proves my point is the last 3 years.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Your point that Richards line isn’t an offensive line and isn’t expected to score or looked to to produce points.
If at the deadline the organization makes a deal to improve the scoring capability of the Richards line IMO that deal pretty much disproves your definition of that line’s role on this team.
How? How can you prove that it isn’t just a depth move? You can’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think the fact that he is been top 5 1/2 in P/60 is pretty damn good.
Yes, this is why Mike Richards is one of the best players in the league.
League wide Richards ranks 32nd amongst forwards with more than 40 games played.
Yes, this is why Mike Richards is one of the best players in the league.
This isn’t why Mike Richards is an offensive player requiring offensive wingers.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I never said offensive just more offensive than Nodl.
Aaron Asham is more offensive no pun intended than Nodl based on Pt/60 with a 2.04 last year and that isn’t saying much.
Then I fail to see your point.
Richards is doing what he always does this year, with Nodl and JVR. You even said he’s having a great season.
Yet you’re shitting on Nodl because… he’s not dragging Richards down?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think Richards can put up even better numbers with better wingers. I would like Richards to have a little more finish on his line-mates. That is all. Nothing against Nodl I don’t consider any line with Richards who is one of the best players in the league a exclusive shutdown line and I want my best player to have a little more help.
Nodl is the weakest link. Good Bye. But in the grand scheme of weakness it is not that big compared to other issues we had to overcome in recent years.
And that’s perfectly fine.
But this all started with “Andreas Nodl is regressing to NO GOAL”. Which is infuriating because his job isn’t to score.
If you want more scoring out of Richards’ line, why not jump up and down on JVR, who’s scoring 0.04 Pts/60 more than Nodl? JVR is the one who’s supposed to score, but you chose to focus on the guy who’s supposed to play defense and say he’s the weak. He’s doing his job. JVR isn’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
As of late though JVR is scoring. Early the season everyone was bitching on him now its Nodl’s turn. What is fair is fair.
JVR has 6 pts in the 11 games twice that of Nodl in 2011.
How is that fair??
NODL ISN’T A SCORER.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Aren’t you frustrated yet? I would be hours ago.
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I know Nodl isn’t a scorer and I don’t want him on a line with my best player and other players who are scorers.
I don’t hold the opinion that the Richards line isn’t supposed to score and all scoring by that line is just gravy. As you should know by now THAT IS NOT A FACT THAT IS YOUR OPINION ON DEFINING THAT LINE ROLE.
GIven your opinion on that lines role than Nodl is fine with my opinion that the Richards line is still a scoring line have a player like Nodl who can’t even put the back in an empty net over the last 3 months of the season on that line is something that can be addressed at the deadline.
THAT IS NOT A FACT THAT IS YOUR OPINION ON DEFINING THAT LINE ROLE
Except that it’s supported by zone starts and qualcomp.
Mourning Gagne forever.
What is the zone start percentage of a true shutdown line.
Richards has a offensive zone start at 45%.
Other centers with similar numbers.
Getzlaf is at 44.5%
Crosby is at 47%
Eric Staal is at 49%
Marleau at 46%
Zetterberg 47%
Bergeron 43.0%
Are those numbers of players who aren’t expected to score. Zone start percentage has nothing to do with what a line is expected to do offensively.
Shutdown who aren’t expected to score are
Betts 29.4%
Madden 33.4%
Malhotra 24.4%
Pahlsson 36.8%
Offensive only guys
H Sedin 70%
Gomez 56.1%
Toews 56.3%
Malkin 54.7%
Briere 55%
Two way players are expected to score and should score that what makes them special. 45% means nothing in what is expected offensively. Richards gets the starts because he can play good defense not because he sucks at offense.
45% means nothing in what is expected offensively.
I’m glad it took you that entire comment to realize this fact.
You know why it means nothing? Because you have no context.
And Blair Betts and John Madden, are not, in any stretch of the imagination, “shut down players”. They are fourth line players who are deployed against 3rd and 4th line talent.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
How do you put the back in the net?
Like this?
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You’re “opinion” that the RIchards’ line is a scoring line is severely outweighed by facts, like his linemates’ scoring rates.
1.80 pts/60 for his LW, 1.76 for his RW.
My “opinion” has concrete evidence that proves your “opinion” is incorrect. My “opinion” is supported by how the coaches use that line.
Your “opinion” is based on… Mike Richards. Not reality.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I would like Nodl to return to his early season scoring pace that is not that much to ask it is about 1pt every other game same as JVR. Given the players he is playing with that shouldn’t be too hard.
Over that last 3 months he is at 1 pt every 3.25 games good for 8 pts in 26 games.
Really? You want him to return to a 25% shooting percentage?
Who’s surprised that you would hold him to an unsustainable standard?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Nodl’s luck has run out and he is regressign the NO GOAL 0% over the last 3 months as I have said in the beginning.
Yes, Andreas Nodl has a true talent of 0% shooting.
And yes, you have proven your hypocrisy and lack of understanding by flip flopping on Nodl, without the least bit of context.
As Nodl’s scoring has gone down, his defensive assignments have gotten tougher. Gee, I wonder if they are related.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
In terms of context I am guessing the center who is 3rd on the his team in offensive zone starts must be a shutdown scorer who is NOT expected to score goals.
Your robotic like ability to no tunderstand the human emotion humor or that the nickname NO GOAL should only be taken in jest because of the wonderful alliteration it has with his name. To inform NO GOAL that doesn’t mean Nodl’s cieling is zero goals and with his career 10 goals he has far exceeded what to be expected. Maybe that is why you are so pleased with him.
I have nothing against Nodl I just don’t want him playing with Richie. I don’t want Powe up there or Carcillo or Asham all things I am complained about in the past this is nothing personal with Nodl.
Sorry I left this. I didn’t have access to a computer out in Arizona once I left work. You said everything I would have said regarding this matter and picked up perfectly where I left off. Thank you Geoff, and sorry for sticking you with this one.
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I am willing to give Nodl more of a shot at the winger position over Carcillo. His upside is greater and skills are definitely superior. Nodl could become Upshall if he gets his confidence and consistency regulated. He is still basically a rookie and needs time. Hell we have waited for JVR to become something and he is starting, why not wait for Nodl. Plus it keeps DLJr somewhat docile in some cases. And that helps the morale around here a great deal.
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Haha. I’m fine with moving Nodl to the 4th line if they make a trade for an upgrade without trading any rostered players.
In the offseason, I also was for keeping Gagne, and playing Nodl on the 4th line, or trading him to a team where he would get a shot to be a top 9 forward. But for some reason, no one remembers these things.
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No I am actually on board with Nodl staying on the 3rd and getting over the recent yips. He hasn’t been utterly deplorable at all. He might be worth the investment. I would like to get Richards’ take on how he sees his play and development. Not that he would give it honestly, but if Richards’ would say, “hey leave him we can work this out and get the job done” it would go a long way.
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I like him there a lot, especially in that lines role. The Flyers are incredibly deep, and Richards is in that 3rd line role because of how deep the etam is at center. It’s not like the Flyers are having horrible issues scoring, and need a 3rd line that will be the next HBL line. To me, Chris is just being greedy.
All that said, if a trade happens, and they have an upgrade to Nodl (without trading Nodl or Zherdev), Im fine with the switch.
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I have to respectfully disagree on the basis that Shelley and Carcillo aren’t in competition for the same position and have utterly different skill sets. Carcillo is a useless, underperforming energy/crashing pest. His act is old and his energy is wasted with his inability to control his emotions. He is not a heavyweight fighter and his presence is not looked upon in the same way by the other members of the team. The Carcillo abomination is over and I don’t need to see him in the line up again. Especially since I, being wrong on my original opinion, feel Nodl is much more efficient as a third line winger then Carcillo. Nodl just needs to get his confidence and consistency regulated a little more and he will have earned his spot on the team.
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Personally, I think the instigator rule has ended the time of the Heavyweights from the NHL. I can understand that he’s a locker room guy and the intangibles, but his role on the team is very limited. Carcillo has more skill than Shelley, true. But you’re right that he needs to rein himself in more emotionally and until he can do that consistently, he becomes a liability. I don’t care about him not being a heavyweight, because he is enough of a pest that he can goad those guys into stupid penalties. When he plays with a cool head.
Nodl is a 3rd line guy right now, whether that changes or not we’ll have to see. But he’s also ON a 3rd line right now. And doing a fine job of it. He’s in the right spots and playing with some talent. I see no need to move him around.
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They should trade Carcillo. he might need a new scene. It looked like at one point when he was really effective last year Berube was always standing behind him talking to him and containing that energy but I haven’t seen that in some time. He just seems lost on this team and once guys don’t know what they are expected to do or what their role is they fall fast.
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This Carcillo thing reminds me of Downie. He was terrible, dirty and annoying while on the Flyers yet he changed significantly during his years with the Lightning. In the last Philly/Tampa game… Carcillo tried to get into fight with Downie but he just skated away and gave him a “bitch please” face. Few years ago, he would’ve jumped on Carcillo and would’ve fought. I believe Carcillo has the same potential as Downie, he just needs to calm himself down… just like Downie did.
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Carcillo isn’t a dirty player though. Downie was an outright scum bag when he first got into the NHL. Carcillo may be an agitator, and someone who needs to get their head on straight but he isn’t nor was he ever really close to Downie in terms or recklessness.
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Like I just said, I think a lot of Downie’s resurgence has to do with: a) A prominent role in the Lightning’s top-6; b) A knowledge that he won’t be taken out of the lineup if he has a quiet game; c) Maturation; and d) The trust/patience of the organization.
When Carcillo was receiving praise last year, he had all of those things. This year, when everybody hates him, he has none of those things.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Agree. That’s why I’m not totally on the ‘Carcillo haters’ band-wagon.
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I know. I’m on that one. Enjoying the ride.
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You’re driving a bus I’m not on and trailing a wagon I jumped off.
Sad, really.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
You premature evacuator you.
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haha, Carter is carrying almost as rough a load as Richards, and while he’s doing it with Claude instead of Nodl (Don’t happy about that), he’s doing what I love watching Richards do. So I’m getting off of Carter.
Yes, I tried to put as much innuendo in there as possible.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I obviously hate him for different (irrational) reasons than his current game.
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Are you taking out your Homer anger on Carter?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much.
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I’ll allow it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I am really glad you added that last sentence in there because as I was reading it I just kept thinking to myself, this can’t be coincidence.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
In theory I agree other then Downie truly has legitimate talent. Downie has a pedigree. Getting rid of Downey will be a haunting reminder for this team for years to come. Carcillo is on his second team and I think he has tried to play legitimate hockey this year but two things have presented themselves. One he is not that good and two he is easily frustrated and can not control his emotions. I just feel his experiment is getting dangerously near the end.
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Carle is pretty damn good. But I really liked Downie too he is great against top competition as evidence by his role to shutdown the top USA line in the WJC. And he also skills to complement star players. I would have loved to see him play with Richie. And Downie hates to lose a mentality that is beloved in Philly. Downie = Hextall as a winger.
People forget he was a first rounder. And that was on merit. They don’t put you on WJC teams in Canda if you don’t have what it takes to cut the mustard. If anything I believe in coming to Philly he lost touch with what his job/potential really was. That doesn’t say much for playing in this organization.
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I think a lot of it has to do with him sitting in the press box for so long, then finally getting into games knowing he only has 2 games (the length of Shelley’s suspension) to make his mark and try to stay in the lineup.
When you cage a short fuse, then let him out with the knowledge that he has to make an impression, you get an unhinged player on the ice. Is this an excuse for Carcillo? No, but it’s an expected outcome of their handling of him. It’s not good for the team or the player.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
How is Carcillo a better hockey player? Let me rephrase the question: how is Carcillo a better hockey player than Shelley in the roles that they are expected to play on the ice and in the locker room?
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by Nico97 on Feb 3, 2011 1:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A) “Better hockey player” doesn’t include off-ice, or “locker room” qualities;
B) Carcillo can actually score, play defense, and draw penalties. Shelley can… fight.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Off ice leadership in the locker room doesn’t factor in whether one player is more valuable to a team than another? That’s a novel concept.
How many goals does Carcillo have? His role now is a goal scorer?
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by Nico97 on Feb 3, 2011 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So you just change the argument from “better hockey player” to “more valuable to the team”? That’s a novel concept.
When did I say Carcillo’s role was as a goal scorer? Never. I said he can score, evidenced by his 0.84 goals per 60 minutes of ice time this year (yes, small sample) and his 0.79 goals per 60 last year (ahead of van Riemsdyk, Leino, Giroux, and Hartnell).
But no, look at how many goals total he has scored this year (still more than Shelley!) despite playing in only 2/3 the amount of games Shelley has.
When you want to dispute the notion that Carcillo is a better hockey player – which is what the original comment was – get back to me. When you want to change the question and put words in my mouth, don’t respond.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Geoff, have I recently told you I love you?? 
Laperriere is my hero
Carcillo's my lover
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haha, you actually haven’t. Because you’ve been away for far too long.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Come on...
Leave this to professionals.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously man! That’s mah thang.
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
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Pretty much. Yeah. Problem?
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Sharing is nice? Okay thennn… I’m calling Gags that he can come over for the wedding.
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Wait, wait, wait...
Seriously????
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
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Oh my goodness… what are YOU going to do with him??
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
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O.o Give me details.
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Do we really need to share him? I’m getting scared.
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Actually, I’ll respond as many times as I like and in any manner I choose. if you have a problem with that, feel free to cancel my account…it’s your blog in the great U.S. of A.
Dodging the issues and employing sarcastic rhetoric won’t make your 2 assertions any stronger. Your first assertion has no basis in fact. Dismissing what happens off-ice and claiming to understand a team completely is naive, in my view. My point is, Shelley’s presence in the locker room is about as big and as valuable as his presence on the ice. And where do you think the magic on the ice is born? A large percentage of hockey is what happens before and after the buzzer. I think Shelley can provide better leadership in this regard.
Shelley’s role is to….fight. The supposed qualities you assert for Carcillo (by the way, goalies can score goals too) are outweighed by the lack of discipline he exhibits on the ice. I don’t think he’s a particularly great fighter and I’m not quite sure what extraordinary defensive work you are referring to. Caricillo is mostly laughed at by opposing teams; for Shelley, they step aside.
Anyhow, I have to get ready for the game. Maybe Carcillo will score, play defense, and draw a penalty tonight?
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Seriously? Are you using this as an actual argument? Dodging the issues and employing “I’m an American and have a right to say what I want under the 1st Amendment!” rhetoric won’t make your response any more relevant to the original conversation! You’re quite welcome to say it, and we’re quite welcome to tell you you’re not talking about the same thing…
(P.S. – you’re not)
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Particularly since the first amendment only applies to government restriction on free speech. A private entity has the right to limit speech however they so choose on their property.
Bob.
Bob.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Steve wasn’t advocating a permanent benching of Nodl but right now Nodl is not getting it done. To stay consistent with how the coaching stay treated Zherdev and JVR when they weren’t going well and few games on the bench might be what the kid needs.
Nodl stats 2011 – 13 GP 3pts +2
Carcillo stats 2011 – 7 GP 2pts +1 and about 1/2 the TOI / G
So in ~1/4 (1/2 the #GP and 1/2 TOI/G) of the amount of TOI since the new year Carcillo has 1 less point than Nodl.
NODL’S ROLE IS NOT TO SCORE!!!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
EXCEPT WHEN HE’S PLAYING THE ISLANDERS!
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Geoff was shouting because he kept making the same point to Chris.
I’m just making a “LOUD NOISES!” joke.
Plus, it’s true. Nodl has scored in every game against the Isles this year. That means he’s good for three more goals at least.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
No fair! EVERYONE scores on the Islanders!
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by Chemistry66 on Feb 3, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
When did it become a “creeping on Mike Richards” conversation? Those are the only ones Pierre wants in on.
Bob.
Did anyone see SNL this past week with the “Creeper” song? All I thought of when I saw it was this place.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Yep. Is it sad that I thought of this place?
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Not at all. It’s a testament to the awesomeness of “here.”
When Boosh has a bad game / rough night, I always think, “Poor Geoff.”
When the Phillies got Cliff Lee back, I thought, “Heather and J Reed have got to be thrilled!”
When the Flyers play the Lightning I wonder how Kat is handling her emotions.
And whenever Meszaros screws up I think of Don.
There are more examples I could mention, but the long and short of it is that you’re not the only one who thinks of “here.”
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Whenever I see a hipster, I think of Don.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Excuse Me!
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
haha, lovely.
This cannot be from Out Cold, can it?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
My comment above only shows what I watch. Bahaha… I’m not ashamed.
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I don’t know what POTC is. “People of the Church”?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, you two jumped on that fast.
I only saw that once. Maybe I should support Keira more.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
She’s nothing special. But we all know your affinity for chicks who look like they haven’t eaten in a year.
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Knightley, Portman, Stiles, McAdams, Lilly?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Evangeline Lily?
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Yeah. I can never think of a 5th.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Eli Lilly?
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Houston Street.
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Street Road in Bensalem?
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Houston Texas?
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Ranger Roy
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Paul Ranger
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Night Ranger
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Motorin’!
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
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Hey hey hey! New man-crush in your sig today!
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Someone on The Cannon said I should add it.
And is that “absolute ceiling” a quote from MarioD?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. Early last season he said that Powe’s work in 2008-09 represented his “absolute ceiling.”
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
haha, I’m pretty sure I got into an argument over that.
And at the end of the year, he changed his tune. And I called him out on it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha, the best part is that he linked the story he wrote about Matt Calvert right before the STANLEY CUP FINALS.
Hahahaha, I can’t get over that.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to do it before Game 5 against Montreal.
You and Ben talked me out of it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I know we did. It was the playoffs, haha.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Pirates of the Caribeban?
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Powe’s Oft-Thunderous Checks.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
I don’t know. He’s been quiet, except when they interviewed him on WIP after the first period of that lousy game against the Devils a few weeks back.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Richards RW should generate some offense or he should be playing with Richards. And if his role isn’t to score tell Richie so he stops giving him wide open shots from the slot that he can either shoot wide or hit the goalie in the logo.
Richards RW getting close to 15 minutes per game should have more than 30 points in the season.
But you are ignoring player roles. If Lavy is asking Nodl to go out and be solid defensively and make smart plays, then he isn’t disppoint in his role. Lavy asks JVR to create scoring chances (or so it seems), so it’s a different role. Zherdev has been asked to be more responsible with the puck (or so it seems), again different role. Players aren’t all graded on goal scoring, they are graded by the coach on what they are asked to do for the team. If Nodl is doing what is asked of him, Lavy isn’t going to go away from him.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
I know that I don’t need him to score 40 goals or even 30 but with those chances he is getting he should have broken 10 goals by now. He hasn’t scored a goal since New Years Eve. And scored 6 of his 9 goals in October and Number.
Again, you are ignoring the lines role, and the point. If you won’t at least recognize that, there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
That is your OPINION on what you think that line’s role is. When the trade goes down to improve the scoring on Richards wing as has been speculated what then.
Tell Travis to ask LAVY to define that line’s role or ask Richards. Because that is not fact until some flat it says it I going to disagree. I think the Richards line is out there to score. They play the same aggressive style the D-Men pinch in the same way when they are on the ice there is not difference.
Wow, Chris is back to ignoring stats.
Yay!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Bob.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I already said:
I’m fine with moving Nodl to the 4th line if they make a trade for an upgrade without trading any rostered players.and
All that said, if a trade happens, and they have an upgrade to Nodl (without trading Nodl or Zherdev), Im fine with the switch.
But what the matchups and the line’s make up currently are telling me (these are facts mind you), is that they are a shutdown line firts and foremost. That’s what I am interpreting from the facts I’m looking at.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
You are hanging on to the idea that Richards line is out there to accomplish more then shutting down opposition.
Get past it, try some deep meditation:
woosah, woosah,
Richards is a shut down third line center and 5 on 5 is out there for defense first. He will get his points and ice time on special teams where he is most dangerous.
woosah, woosah
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Haha well played.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
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Thank you, M.
I’m done trying to explain to people that Nodl is not judged by point totals.
And oh, by the way, Nodl is scoring 1.76 points per 60. JVR is at 1.80.
JVR sucks! Drop him to the fourth line! He shouldn’t be playing with Richards! Bring in a LW because JVR isn’t cutting it!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
say what?
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Not sure it beats killing them, but it is more legal.
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Our PP sucks this year and Richards has been scoring the majority of his points 28 our of 47 at 5 on 5. The highest ES scoring percentage in his career.
11 ES goals versus only 3 PP goals as well.
Why was Zherdev spotted up there with Richards and Giroux at times as well if they are the shutdown 3rd line or even Danny B. Richards job like all the other lines is the generate offense.
Richards since he is the MAN gets to tougher assignment of having to do that against the opponents top lines.
Richards is a two way player. Two as in offense + defense = 2 The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Richards job like all the other lines is the generate offense.
You are clearly ignoring the make up of the line and the lines he faces. Just because a line sprimary job is to stop the opponents best lines doesn’t mean said line can not score goals.
If you wanted 3 clear number 2 lines, you should have kept Gagne, and not traded for/signed Meszaors, Shelley, and Walker. Oh well.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
If you wanted 3 clear number 2 lines, you should have kept Gagne, and not traded for/signed Meszaors, Shelley, and Walker. Oh well.
Ooooh, so true.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
But of course he has given me shit for this all year, but now he is asking for it. It makes me want to kill cute animals.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
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1) Guerin was brought in here to try fill that role he didn’t make it.
2) They tried Zherdev and Giroux.
Didn’t work.
Nodl worked best and was scoring 6 goals in the 1st 14 GP. Of the season.
Don’t act like Nodl was penciled in with Richards from the offseason to make a shutdown line. Nodl outplayed both Guerin and Carcillo and earned his spot and was scoring at a decent clip to start the season. That is why he is up there not because of his defense.
That is why he is up there not because of his defense.
But… he proved that he was worth a longer look on the team this season BECAUSE of his defense. Because that’s what he did in the regular season and playoffs last year.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
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They tried Zherdev and Giroux.
Didn’t work.
Does that tell you that maybe Richards offensively isn’t as good as you claim he is at 5 on 5. Something we have been saying, and you are ignoring.
That is why he is up there not because of his defense.
And Nodl earned his look because of his defense, not his offense. Guerin failed before Nodl scored a regular season goal. And Carcillo doesn’t bring solid D or O to the table.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
...
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Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, here we go.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
What? I didn’t say anything :(
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Picture’s worth a million words.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, okay, okay. I won’t do that again…
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Haha, no please do. I’m just saying that your GIFs are what make the threads explode every day. There’s nothing wrong with that.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Explosion for to make other threads?
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
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by mikefive on Feb 3, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Brilliant.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting choice of verb there, Travis.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I do try my best.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet! I finally have your permission! Awesome.
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Blame Holmgren.
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You know the only top-9 forwards getting worse zone starts than Richards? Carter and… Nodl.
Funny, Richards/Nodl getting tough zone starts? Geez, that’s two-thirds of the line right there. Who’s facing the toughest competition on the team? Richards. Who are the top three among the top-9 in toughest competition? Richards, Carter, and… Nodl.
It’s almost… almost like Mike Richards and Andreas Nodl are given the toughest assignments in the most difficult of areas on the ice. But clearly, their job is to score. Because they’re given such opportunity to do so. And I know they had this opportunity because someone was “spotted up there” who I don’t think is very good at defense.
And since every single forward who steps on the ice is supposed to generate offense – no team plays defense against Crosby, they’re supposed to score on him – he’s not doing his job.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I just rec’d this. It amused me.
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You really think Nodl has anything to do with those zone starts besides the fact he plays with Richards. Very little. Nodl is the effect not the cause of the zone start. Whoever plays with Richards is going to have bad zone starts. Carter is the best faceoff guy on the team as well he will be taking key D-Zone starts and is often out along Richards as a backup center in case someone gets tossed.
Wouldn’t you think Lavy would only put Nodl in those situations if he was good at it? Nodl gets those starts because he’s trusted to do well there. It’d be stupid to say “crap, it’s a key D-Zone start, let’s put Richie out there, and some other crappy guy.” So I say bullshit to your “effect not the cause” argument. He wouldn’t be paired with Richards if there was someone better suited to filling that role.
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by hintzy64 on Feb 3, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very well said.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
A) What Hintzy said.
B) You really think Nodl has nothing to do with his zone starts? That’s naive on a whole level. He wouldn’t be with Richards, thus getting bad zone starts, if he didn’t earn them.
C) Nodl has more defensive zone draws than Richards. So even if we accept your “Nodl doesn’t do anything to earn defensive zone draws, he just gets them because of Richards” statement, it’s still wrong because Nodl gets a higher percentage of defensive draws than Richards. Clearly, there’s another reason he gets them if he’s getting them even without Richards.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry man I lost the message there completely.
Our PP has sucked for years, it might be do to the fact that a guy who sat in the penalty box for his NHL career is running ti??? The Pens PP sucks… it makes no sense.
Spotted has more to do with the competition, line changes and face off location then anything else. Also how the other lines are doing to try and spark something.
The two wat thing escaped me, sorry.
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Our PP has sucked for years, it might be do to the fact that a guy who sat in the penalty box for his NHL career is running it?
I honestly believe this is a major factor in why the PP consistently underachieves.
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PP was 4th in the league last year and top 5 the two years prior so that is completely untrue. This year something is different.
I have to do some research on that because it seems for years the PP has consistently let us down when we needed it, almost like Carter having the most GWG on the team and when I researched it he is the best scorer when he has a 2 goal lead and then ends up with the GWG when the game is over.
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Or that we werel ucky those two years, maybe a little unlucky this year, and the true talent is somewhere between. Though the system looks horrible to me from my experience, which Berube obviously trumps, but it’s still my opinion of the way they run their PP.
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Point shot is not working. Too many misses they only hit the net when there is little traffic and easy save is made. Richards to point is my fix.
And Meszaros to the point was your fix before the season. Something more is wrong than just the point shot. They move the puck slowly and deliberating and don’t force the PK unit to get out of their lanes or lose their shape. To me that is the huge problem. The point shot not getting through is a result of that issue to me. Fix the first, the point shot will come regardless if it’s Meszaros, Richards, or Betts (obviosuly a joek) back there.
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I didn’t read the article yet, and I wanted to bring this up in the racap of last game but I was so pissed off I forgot and it seemed pointless. Yes we agree either Shelley or Carcillo, not over Nodl or JVR or Zherdev. I believe the guys like having Shelley in the room and on the bench.
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Haven’t expressed it in a while, but Geoff, Travis and the entire staff at BSH do such a great job of making this site a success. I’ve enjoyed following the Flyers more than ever since discovering BSH. Hoping to celebrate with all of the diehard fans here in June. In the meantime, just wanted to thank everyone at BSH for their tremendous work.
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agreed
Not a Flyers fan but I check the site regularly.
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I’d like to know how a “lifelong Tennessean” ended up a Philly fan…
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Very long story short – I’ve lived in Memphis all of my life. My father was a printing salesman and, since he knew I was a huge sports fan, was able to get free sports programs from a number of his vendors/customers. He got me media guides from the 76ers and Flyers. I had no interest in the 76ers guide (even though it had Dr. J on the cover) but the Flyers guide fascinated me. Mind you, not only did I know nothing about the Flyers, I knew nothing about the sport of ice hockey. But that illustration of Pelle Lindbergh on the cover the year after he won the Vezina piqued my interest. I’ve since been a Flyers’ fan, growing more in intensity as I learn more about them, and remain a student of the game.
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Ah, so before the creation of the Preds. I suppose you get a pass. :)
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Road trip!
We should prepare for a few guests in the second period thread tonight, FYI. The OtF folks like to invade the other site. Welcome them like you’d welcome a Pens fan in the last row of section 218 (or something).
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That’s harsh.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
ouch
Be warned, though, our game thread crew has been operating at Japers’ Rink levels of busy during road games the past few months. You can’t stop us, you can only hope to contain us…or something.
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I think you’re underestimating us. /evil laugh
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
What is it you want from me?
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To drive the invading barbarian hordes of Nashville insane when they come onto our board tonight. I figure alternating rounds of “Bob,” “Moist Nipple Panties,” and gifs should keep them suitably off balance.
Bob.
I’ll throw my “Bob” gif at them. That should do.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, I gotta say Chris. It’s hilarious that you have 3,545 comments on OtF, but 15,842 comments on Japers’ Rink. That’s awesome.
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Ha, yeah. That place is much, much busier during the day, and one of the best places on the ’net to talk hockey, so you kind of get roped into discussions and stuck there.
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by Chris Burton on Feb 3, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Ha….And I didn’t mean that in any bad way, really. I’ve come to like what he brings to the table. He’s intense. And everything bounces right off that dude.
But I’d love to see their reaction if he started popping up over there.
I'm kind of a dick.
I had similar thoughts about how long he would last during the one and only appearance over at ILWT.
Considering the people he’s banned, yeah. I remember over the summer, during the CBA/Ilya Kovaluck battle, he banned Quisp from Jewels from the Crown for a pretty benign comment that disagreed with him
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I enjoyed following that whole debacle between those two. Good stuff. I still think it would be great if Trav and him switched spots for a day.
I'm kind of a dick.
It’s okay though, I’m pretty sure Travis can un-do it later.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
One at a time… ugh.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I know this is off-topic, kind of, but I just watched Ovechkin’s hip check on Subban from Tuesday. Was absolutely hilarious.
The face wash afterwards made it all the better. And Subban punching Ovi and being the only one sent to the box was the cherry on that sundae.
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I think the icing on the cake was that after all that, while Subban was on his way to the box, Knuble made sure to skate by him and give him an additional punch/shove. If the Caps were smart, #22 would wear the C.
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Amazing. Absolutely amazing. That’s why I love Ovie.
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It’s time for the Panthers to start winning or start packing for another city: [NHL.com]
I totally took this as “if they don’t start winning, they’re moving to another city.” AND it was on NHL.com?! Yeah, I should’ve known better.
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haha, I phrased it awkwardly.
But they lost last night, so… expect Tallon to blow the team up despite having a solid foundation.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
solid foundation
What is that foundation exactly. 3 second line forwards and over paid oft injured has been defensmen and an aging goalie.
Weiss, Frolik, Booth, Higgins, Santorelli, Ellerby, Kulikov, Wideman, Markstrom…
Oh, and the team wins the battle at 5-on-5, they have a great PK unit.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Numbers
How badass would it be if towards the end of the season, the Flyers changed their numbers to duplcate some of the retired ones from the Broad Street Bullies for the playoffs?
Richards in 16? C’monnnnnn
That’d be SO fucking sweet.
I don’t think I can get behind that, even if Clarke, Barber, and Parent approved it. I don’t want to see that in the playoffs.
If it was like a weird one-off exhibition game where all the players wore a bullies-era number for some kind of theme, maybe I could deal. But the playoffs? Nope.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah good idea for a nostaglia night to have the new players who resemble the old players wear the numbers. List
Richards 16
Shelley 8
Who would wear 6, Andre’ “Moose” DuPont????
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Mike Richards is more Dave Poulin than Bob Clarke.
One of these days, I’ll post my article re: the similarities between this team and the mid-1980s Flyers.
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Carter gets MacLeish… 19.
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Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Not consistent enough. If Danny was playing this well at a wing position he would be Macleish. We havent had a MacLeish since maybe……..MacLeish?
Whoo is Barber, man that is a hard one there.
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By the way, what MacLeish and Carter have in common is that they are both so naturally talented that it seems as if they’re both floating around out there at times.
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CARTER WITH #12????
OVER MY DEAD BODY!
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Bullies-era number 12 though, hon. Honoring Gary Dornhoefer isn’t necessarily a slight of Gagne.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I know… but still. I would kill puppies if I ever saw Carter wearing that number. Only thinking of it makes me cringe.
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Claude = Clarke??
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 3, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, the comparisons are really accurate. Clarke gets lumped in with the bullies and the fact he was truly offensively gifted and lock down puck handler.
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He was also a mean mofo. I don’t see Claude having his mean streak. Honestly I think Briere draws a better comparison, unfaltering as it may be to Clarke. Smaller, immensely talented and dirty with the stick.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 3, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Briere’s defensive liabilities ruin that comparison, I think.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeha, I’ll give you that.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 3, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
He really wasn’t a mean mofo. He had a take no prisoners win at all costs personality during a time in the league which played out like the wild wild west. Clarke was mean more for self preservation. Stars like Giroux don;t have to play that way to survive these days.
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According to the docu, the other guys called him “the Don”. The younger kids were afraid of him. I think he had a mean streak to be sure.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Actually he was really one of the kindest, most caring people you would ever meet. Really. He was a natural born leader by nature and he took no shit, wanted to win at all costs, he never left you wondering what he was thinking and made you feel you were in his fox hole and things were getting taken care of. Guys just followed him and he didn’t disappoint as a leader. One day at the class of 23 rink after practice there were a bunch of kids hanging at the exit and a couple of the guys were moaning about it and trying to slip out the side. Clarke made it known that everyone was leaving through the main door and that crowd was leaving satisfied, Period.
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And M was one of the those kids and moment that will forever be etched in the deepest recesses of his memory, a small moment in time that has forever shaped him into the Flyers fan that his this very day.
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Both are on the smaller side but incredibly smart, both are strong on the puck, Clarke was creative for his day by playing behind the net at a time when that wasn’t common, both are gritty and incredibly tough when it counts… do I need to keep going?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
You lost me at gritty and tough. I don’t see G breaking an ankle of an opponent with a slash. Yeah he can hold his own in the corners and come out with a puck but I just don’t see it. Maybe my view of Clarke is wrong because I’ve only actually see maybe two dozen games that he’s played but I just don’t see it being too accurate.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 3, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a different era, though, a Clarke-type mean streak isn’t going to work too well in today’s NHL. G is tough in the sense that he’s not going to get intimidated, he doesn’t back down and he’s not going to give up.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I still don’t see it, but I’ll drop the argument and agree to disagree.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 3, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Please….not again.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 3, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Man was I hot that night. I waited and got so pumped for a lightning beat down my ears were smoking during that game. And it was apparent from the opening puck drop.
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Haha. All good, happens to the best of us. I was super pissed during the season-opener and we won that game.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 3, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
But remember the 2 minutes he killed off behind the net last year in the playoffs. He is way more tenacious then given credit for. Hell the other night he looked across the face off dot and said we are fighting. It was out of self preservation rather intensity.
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Oh I remember that shift well, I’m not denying he’s a beast I just think Clarke was a lot meaner and a dirtier player.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 3, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
OFF TOPIC
I didn’t read the Tampa post game thread but was there any discussion about JVR being used point on the Power Play and what is everyone’s feelings about that?
Personally I think anyone is better than Coburn is shot for the point is good for one thing and that is scuffing the glass behind the net.
Seconded. Additionally I believe such number retirements should be reserved for those who get their name engraved on the Cup with us, with all due respect to Mark Howe and others. Speaking of which, I wonder why the Flyers don’t designate the #2 for a goalie on a permanent basis. Would be rather unique.
But what if a goalie had an attachment to a different number?
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Consistency Article
Geoff, thanks for that link. That was an absolutely phenominal look at scorers and how consistency isn’t what we perceive it to be.
Everyone should check it out.
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Questions
With the discussion revolving around shooting percentage and luck should we stop complaining about guys like Carter who take tons of shots? Especially since shot quality doesn’t matter all shots are than equal.
And finally would a player be more “consistent” with a 10% shooting percentage who took 5 shots per night?
That’s definitely something I took out of it. Though I will say I never complained about Carter being streaky, just about people wanting to credit him with GWG, because I view that stat as meaningless at it doesn’t consider in game scenario. I view Carter as streaky like every other goal scorer, and this just shows there is consistency in that perceived streakiness.
I may try to recreate that study with Carter if I have time. Or maybe Huck, Geoff, or Todd could
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I try to only use GWG to counter the Carter only scores meaningless goals argument similar to Ryan Howard only hits meaningless Homer Runs ie when the game is already 8-0 or whatever.
If you lead the team in GWG he certainly doesn’t only score meaningless pad the stats type goals.
I think you just ignored my whole point of in game scenarios…but that’s fine.
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Hahahahahaha… I know what you meant. It’s like… Gagne scored 5th goal to make it 5-0. In those cases I’m always like “Oh, oh… I wouldn’t mind if Atlanta scored 4 goals, that would give Gags a GWG.” But yeah… in the game scenario the 5th goal to make it five nothing… well it’s not that big of a deal.
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Eh, if you’re up 5-0 and the other team scores 4 en route to a final score of 5-4, I’d say all 5 of those goals were important to the winning team. Without any one of them, you’re headed to overtime.
There’s tons of debate to be had over this, but in my book, every goal is important because you don’t know what the other team is going to do until it’s over.
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Right. But people see GWG and assign a measure of “clutchosity” to it without factoring in that it isn’t so much clutch to score the 5th goal in a 5-0 game that eventually becomes the GWG.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Fine Carter has scored 11 goals in his career while while leading by 3 or more goals and 9 when trailing 3 or more goals.
That is 20 out of 168 good for 12% of his career scoring considering meaningless if you consider behind and ahead by 3 or more goals meaningless.
If the stats you want all the time were easier to tally I would use them but it is not easy to rank players on the team by goal by situation.
As for the article, maybe I’m just having a slow morning but what do the X and Y plots on this chart correspond to
The x axis are 10-game moving average periods, so point 1 are games 1 through 10, point 2 2-11, etc.
Y axis is Goals per game averages.
Hope this helps and apologies you had to endure a Caps article but I appreciate the support.
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Especially since shot quality doesn’t matter all shots are than equal.
I think you misunderstand the claim. There are definitely good shots and bad shots. What’s never been demonstrated is that a team’s system, style, or coaching can result in a team-wide impact on shot quality. When a team’s shooting percentage spikes well above the norm (as Washington’s did last year or the Flyers’ did this year), people tend to want to attribute it to a new system, but it tends to prove to be a statistical aberration that doesn’t last.
And having a guy shot a higher volume at lower percentage won’t change his perceived consistency much:
Comparing a 25-goal scorer who has 3 shots at 10% to one who has 6 shots at 5%:
The 3-shot guy has 72.9% chance of 0 goals, 24.3% chance of 1 goal, 2.7% chance of 2 goals, 0.1% chance of 3 goals.
The 6-shot guy has 73.5% chance of 0 goals, 23.2% chance of 1 goal, 3.1% chance of 2 goals, 0.2% chance of 3 goals.
Almost no difference at all. The differences get a little larger if we take someone who scores more:
Comparing a 49-goal scorer who has 3 shots at 20% to one who has 6 shots at 10%:The 3-shot guy has 51.2% chance of 0 goals, 38.4% chance of 1 goal, 9.6% chance of 2 goals, 0.8% chance of 3 goals.
The 6-shot guy has 53.1% chance of 0 goals, 35.4% chance of 1 goal, 9.8% chance of 2 goals, 1.5% chance of 3 goals.
So over the course of his average 49-goal season, the 6-shot guy has an extra 1-2 0-goal games, 2-3 fewer 1-goal games, and one extra multi-goal game. Even with these extreme numbers, there still isn’t much difference.
by Eric T. on Feb 3, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec’d for amazingness.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I wasn’t really impressed by it. DiPietro is so damned fragile that him going down like a sack of rocks like that wasn’t shocking.
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Still great to see. I hate the Pens, but I can’t stand DiPietro either. He definitely took a shot at Cooke as he was skating by.
I'm kind of a dick.
Oh I can’t stand him either. Pronger holding him like he was a child is still a highlight for me this season. Its just the punch that was thrown sucked. Brent basically hit him with his forearm not his fist. If it was a quality punch I probably would’ve enjoyed it more.
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Yep, and I didn’t think things could get any more embarrasing for that team…but there you go.
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Is this the right room for an argument?
Although DiPietro had a good quote when asked about the KO: "He has really long arms.’
I'm kind of a dick.
Haha, ok, that’s a win there.
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yeah, hilarious but at the same time sad.
DP and the isles suck. BTW, another piece of evidence that Matt Cooke is a POS. Why are you running into the goalie with 20 seconds left in a 3-0 game against a crappy team? He’s total garbage!
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by Matt 'Puckhead' on Feb 3, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Watch the video again. I hate to defend Cooke, but he was just skating by. DiPietro clocked him while he was 5 feet out of the crease.
I'm kind of a dick.
Van you are the man with these interesting clips who you get your own daily thread. But can you please provide links.
Yes I am lazy.
OT But interesting
3) At least three NHL teams have expressed interest in goaltender Ray Emery.
Sources have confirmed both the Anaheim Ducks and Philadelphia Flyers are in the mix as two of the three teams, however neither team is at a point where they’re prepared to make an offer to sign the unrestricted free agent. Although, the expectation is teams will make their move on Emery within the next 48 hours.
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Interesting. I recall a few weeks back when the story of Emery’s comeback initially surfaced, the Flyers management were asked about it and they said “not interested”. I’ll certainly be curious to see if a team signs him and then what they end up doing with him. I know he’s been working with a conditioning coach, but he hasn’t played in a year, so I wonder who will sign him without seeing what he can do on his surgically repaired hips.
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I’m assuming wherever he signs he’ll be in the AHL for the most part barring serious injury to the team’s goalie tandem. I also wouldn’t put it past the Flyers to treat Razor like we did Boosh back in his Phantoms days and let him showcase himself for other teams and let him go as soon as another team offers him an NHL contract.
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OT
A terrible no-goal call from last night’s Wings/ Sens game:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Video-Most-terrible-call-of-the-night-in-Red-Wi?urn=nhl-316185
Reminds me of the Gagne no-goal call in Pittsburgh, only worse.
Wow. Sens were screwed. I see the similarity with Gagne no-goal call in Pittsburgh but those were different situations. In this game the puck was just way over the goal line and the refs totally messed up, imo. While in Gagne’s case that was just one dude not sending a proper video to Toronto.
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I just got my lunch delivered and it is a fantastic pizza steak with fired onions and mushrooms. Wow.
Well I said it was Off-Topic!
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Mmmmm, I’m going to lunch right now. This may sway my decision.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
There is a shit load of cheese on this bad boy.
Yeah Baby! I love being in Philly area.
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Damn it man, now I want a cheesesteak too! Still haven’t found a place up here in Bristol that makes a good one though.
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I’m in Conshy and there are at least two good places for quality steaks. Lots of meat, good rolls.
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I used to live out there. I used to go to Mastracola’s / Lenny’s for hoagies occasionally. They were good.
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I had sushi for lunch.
The ginger was orange. It made me think of the Flyers. Which made me happy.
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by Chemistry66 on Feb 3, 2011 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I interjected lunch into a lunch thread.:P
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by Chemistry66 on Feb 3, 2011 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And apparently a plate of sushi is more interesting to the group then a nice cheesesteak.
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I start interesting conversations when running between classes haha.
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by Chemistry66 on Feb 3, 2011 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I haven’t had sushi in a long time. Too long.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Couldn’t disagree more. It’s not something I would eat every day, but sometimes it is the best thing ever.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
I agree entirely.
mmm, Baked Philadelphia Roll at Ooka is amazing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Is a philadelphia roll the cooked crab and cream cheese? Asked for one one day and got raw salmon and cream cheese.
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The one I get is definitely raw salmon and cream cheese, but they have it as spicy cream cheese (it’s not very spicy) and it’s amazing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
It’s supposed to be salmon and cream cheese, preferably smoked salmon. Like lox and cream cheese, basically.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it is smoked salmon. I don’t know, I just know I always get it and I always drool over it before entering sushi euphoria.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
The lox + cream cheese angle is how I got my Jewish fiance to start eating sushi. It was my gateway strategy, now he loves all sushi.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, gateway drugs.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you should get him a huge plate and convince him to finally get off his ass and make an honest women out of you. Not that this is my business but we need another generation of DG’s running around.
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Just because we’re still saving up the money to pay for the wedding ceremony doesn’t mean I’m not already an honest woman. For goodness sakes, we’ve lived together for years, the ceremony is a formality at this point. But no, we do not need anymore DGs running around yet, the world isn’t ready for any more of me than already exists.
by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 3, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Never been.
Hikaru in Manayunk is actually good, at least it used to be. So is Blue Fin in Plymouth Meeting. Then, there’s Morimoto, too…
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
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Not a fan of baked or tempura sushi at all.
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Sad. I get it every time I go to a sushi place.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Tempura is not a Japanese creation. It has to do with olde-tyme interactions between the Portuguese and Japanese.
I like tempura sometimes, but I’m a straight sushi guy myself.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Moving on to my second course of the Philadelphia diet I am on these days.
Cheesesteaks and Tastykakes, yeah baby! Moving in on a coconut Junior.
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Tastykakes mmmm. I has the cream filled coffee cake ones yesterday.
Wow my phone autocorrect recognizes Tastykakes within just the “tas”.
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by Chemistry66 on Feb 3, 2011 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What is your third act going to be? A soft pretzel or water ice?
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Today we discuss “The Philadelphia Diet,” An Epicurean Narrative In Four Acts.
Act One: Cheesesteaks
Act Two: Soft Pretzels
Act Three: Tastykakes and Wooder Ice
Act Four: High Triglycerides
/iraglass
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
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Totally off and on topic: I love This American Life. That probably makes me a hipster.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 3, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Third act was the nap I just awoke from after passing out from lunch. And by the way we have to keep all of this on the DL. If my wife catches wind of the Philly diet there will be hell to pay.
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OT
Apparently, Philadelphia is the moonshine capital of the world. (probably more U.S., I’d gather)
Awesome!
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
I now resolve to get up 3 hours earlier everyday so I don’t miss 450 comments and join the thread when no one is posting.
Mourning Gagne forever.
Samsies. Only in my case, it was going to class that set me back.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I thought you liked the 6 am posting?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Todd, where were you the other night. Your name came up a couple of times and there was an erroneous comment about you being in trouble from the Australian disasters.
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Haha, that went well above NZ. We had a cyclone here but it was no real problem.
For the record, I was in the field collecting plant samples.
Mourning Gagne forever.
As I plant biologist, people expect that I will use my training to grow weed or delicious cherry tomatoes.
Mourning Gagne forever.
Do both. Use the tomatoes to make a great pizza sauce to put the weed on.
/I had no idea you were a plant biologist.
I'm kind of a dick.
Hey: Columbus may be having a fire sale, as per Darren Dreger:
Sources around the league consider the Columbus Blue Jackets to be among those most eager and perhaps, closest to making a significant deal.
Blue Jackets general manager Scott Howson doesn’t speak publicly about trade negotiations and won’t comment on speculation a few of his key players may be in play.
However, Columbus goaltender Steve Mason (the 2009 NHL rookie of the year), young forward Jakub Voracek (selected seventh overall in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft) and 28-year-old defenceman Rostislav Klesla – the Blue Jackets’ first ever draft pick (4th overall in 2000) are believed to be drawing trade interest.
The Blue Jackets’ needs are many, although a top line centre and high quality defenceman are said to be on Howson’s wish list.
Funny. But I think I floated a Carter + Goalie for Mason, Filitov, and Calvert deal in the summer. Gee, if I’d have known to swap Voracek in for Mason and Bourdon for “Goalie”, I would have.
Holy hell would I love Jake Voracek.
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We all know he’s just an excuse to justify trading for Matt Calvert. You might as well go ahead and admit it.
Bob.
I wish it were true, but I don’t see Columbus giving him up.
But to acquire a #7 overall pick? Yes please! I’d trade Wellwood + Bourdon for him, but that’s probably not enough. Pither?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, next paragraph down is the Emery blurb.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
In the offseason? Certainly.
Kid just needs coaching. He has a tremendous amount of talent, he stays healthy, he’s always had at least a 0.900 save percentage (yes, low bar to set) since he was 16/17…
If the Flyers didn’t have Bob – a project in his own right – I’d be screaming to steal Mason away.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
From a project perspective, I guess I could get behind it. He had a terrible season in 2009-2010 and I think that just put me off him. The fact that Mathieu Garon is playing to his career average behind the same defense for the past two seasons and Mason has been worse also sways me.
I’m also sure the Blue Jackets have a goalie coach (I think the Avalanche are the only team without one), so why hasn’t he improved from last season?
Mourning Gagne forever.
Your first paragraph: Completely understandable.
Your second paragraph: Yeah, they have a coach. But there’s no other explanation for a kid going from great prospect, great minor league career, Calder Trophy, to… craptacular goalie. Maybe he doesn’t respond to the coaching style, but there’s clearly a problem with coaching and/or learning.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 3, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
The Jackets goaltending coach has been working with Mason since he joined the Knights.
I’m not sure what to make of that.
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