Friday Morning Fly By: What Can We Argue About Today?
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 6:30 AM EST
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Recaps of last night's win: [BSH] [CSNPhilly] [On the Forecheck] [The700level.com] [Philly Sports Daily] [Flyers Faithful] [Flyer Files] [Daily News] [Inquirer] [delcotimes.com]
- Last night was Bobby Clarke night, so you can go to our story, which features video and a transcript [BSH] and/or go to these stories: [CSNPhilly] [NHL.com] [Philly Sports Daily] [delcotimes.com] [Daily News], this video: [Philly.com] or this transcript: [Flyer Files]
- Now, a pretty fantastic article on Bobby Clarke and the Broad Street Bullies' lasting impact that was posted earlier: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Sergei Bobrovsky had a nice bounceback game last night: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Regarding Ray Emery: "The fact is, while I was told Emery is not a priority, I believe Dreger's report and think there is definite interest." [In the Room]
- Calling the Briere line the "Costa Rica" line in Finland: [via euroflyers]
- Some notes prior to today's Phantoms game, including the tidbit that they've been quite good since Paterson was named head coach. Like, really good: [PostStar.com]
- Eric Wellwood is likely to return for the Phantoms today: [PSPhantoms]
- Joonas Lehtivuori was a plus-1 in 20 minutes of ice time yesterday: [euroflyers]
- Jakub Kovar was named the reserve goalie for Team Czech in the LG Games. Sounds like they don't want to break his starting streak: [euroflyers]
- Another installment of Five Questions, this time "What moves do the Flyers need to make, if any, at the deadline?" and guess who gets shit on? Yup. Andreas Nodl [Flyers Faithful]
- So something silly happened Wednesday night. The Flyers have somebody named James vanGirouxdyk: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Show On the Forecheck some love today, not only for a great time last night, but for a great article (that was seen in rather large amounts on other sites yesterday) researching suspension data. You'll be shocked to find out that there's some bias towards Original 6 teams, and some bias against the Flyers: [On the Forecheck]
- Dallas and Boston started their game last night with 3 fights in 4 seconds, and 2 goals in 80 seconds: [Puck Daddy]
- Later, Daniel Paille laid a suspendable hit on Raymond Sawada: [Puck Daddy]
- Also in that game, Flyers favorite Adam Burish "got his teeth knocked in". s/t to reader Robert: [YouTube]
- Former-Flyer Freddy Meyer collapsed on the ice last night, in another scary moment for the Thrashers: [Puck Daddy]
- A timely piece coming out regarding Zone Starts and Finishes over the last four years, attempting to come up with an Expected Zone Shift. Great, great work: [Behind The Net]
- A prime example of stats haters not getting, and why they're wrong. With all the discussion we have on here regarding stats and the people who don't like them, these are the links you should read: [Behind the Net]
- A hockey fan's guide to the Super Bowl: [Down Goes Brown]
- Happy Birthday I'dRatherBeInPhilly! (See, I do pay attention) Don't get greedy now.
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James vanGirouxdyk….Hilarious!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
It was going to be my new handle on SB but I couldn’t figure out how to change it.
Good stuff.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
At the top, click on your name, then edit profile.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that works. I see no option to change my name.
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Change your screen name? No, for that you have to email Travis.
I thought he meant his tagline. Maybe it’s early and I’m not awake yet…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
He said handle, which I assume meant his name.
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Yeah. After you said it, that made a lot more sense. haha. Oops
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t have your coffee yet?
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Now I did. Then? No.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I’m such a hypocrite. I went through college never drinking the stuff and I always said I never would because I saw what happened to my father on Saturdays if he hasn’t had his coffee…his hands get shaky…well a few years into the working world and I’m a coffee whore just like everyone else. It saddens me to a degree. Though I honestly don’t think I need it for the caffeine. Not sure that caffeine actually works on me. Energy drinks like Monster or Red Bull or 5 hour energy do nothing.
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Yes, my name.
Thanks.
Does the Godfather (Travis) make you kiss his pinkie ring as well for these kinds of “favors”?
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
I have not witnessed this myself…the doors were shut before I could get a good glance but I have been told from some pretty reliable folks that the kissing of the ring is indeed part of the process.
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I would but then it would be so confusing and Geoff would never give me a birthday mention.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
Know what?
We need to create a Google doc with everyone’s birthday. This is getting ridiculous.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
April 23.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
I can’t open Google Docs at work. So if either of you wish to jump on that, please do.
And how creepy is it that I’m April 24th? We should name it “doubleGeofffive Week”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I hope someone gets on the Google Doc.
I don’t want to have to keep track of 80 Facebook friends.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Travis was the only one who could change your handle?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 4, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t even do that. You have to send a request to support@sbnation.com and they’ll take care of it for you.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 4, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
That third fight in the Boston game was awesome. McQuaid destroyed the Star.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
I would never mess with anyone named “McQuaid.” It sounds too much like “McBain,” and it also makes me think of Dennis Quaid flying his little spaceship in Inner Space.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
I think Total Recall when he McQuaid for reasons I don’t quite understand.
The Randy Quaid flying his jet in Independence is also pretty strong.
Because Ahhnold played a construction worker named “Doug Quaid.”
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Didn’t Chuck Norris play a McQuaid once?
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Feb 4, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Still don’t get the anti-Nodl rage that continues to spread among some of the Flyer faithful. It’s like complaining, “Powe doesn’t score enough goals so sit him.” Nevermind that he hits everything that moves, skates well, plays all three forward positions up and down the lineup and is crucial to the penalty kill. But it’s right to say he doesn’t score a lot of goals.
Maybe the Flyers don’t need a sniper to go along with Nodl-Richards as much as another defensive forward, like Mike Grier or Chris Clark?
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Thank you. I agree.
I think they need JVR to start scoring, and while there’s no problem acquiring another scoring winger, to say they need that as an upgrade on Nodl is ignoring the reason Nodl is on Richards’ wing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, as we discussed yesterday, Nodl is where he is for a reason. That line scores goals, but it is not our “scoring line”. LBH/HBL/2.5/Redemption/etc and ZCG (like that?) are our scoring lines.
Honestly, I’d rather stick with what we’ve got and not mess with the chemistry. Unless you guys can convince me that something is broken and there’s a clear way to fix it. Any suggestions? Have at it!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
That’s why I like the idea of adding a player like Clark or Grier. If I’m correct, the Flyers have room for one more player on their roster since waiving Walker. A draft pick should be enough compensation for either player. Worse case scenario — Lavy banishes the new acquisition to the pressbox and sticks with the starting lineup he’s got. But should a spot in the lineup open up because of poor play or injury, it would be nice to have some insurance in the form of a proven veteran.
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Fair enough, having a veteran to fill an injury/benching situation could be worthwhile.
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I have a bring John Madden to Philly campaign going…if you want to call it that…Reasoning?
1) Great face off guy that could compensate for Betts’ struggles
2) Awesome Penalty Killer even at his age and still a top notch SMART defensive player
3) Cheap Rental
4) Knows what it takes to win the Stanley Cup (2 with the Devils / 1 with Hawks)
5) Him winning a cup on the Flyers to Devils fans would be like Brindamour going to the Devils instead of the Canes and winning a cup to us…but this reason could bring on bad karma so I take it back…sort of
The only questions I have are can he play wing if he has to and is Minnesota going to hang on to him for their playoff run?
by IG on Feb 4, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Madden can play wing, I’m sure, but I doubt Minnesota’s going to trade him if there’s a chance they’ll make the playoffs. I agree with your reasoning about him being a very valuable player.
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Their February schedule is no cake walk (with the exception of a few games, of course)…so there’s a chance they could be dealing by the end of the month…we’ll see.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/schedule/_/name/min/minnesota-wild
by IG on Feb 4, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
My thing is: I’d rather acquire a scoring winger as depth. The Flyers have plenty of guys who can play that role (Nodl, Powe, Carcillo, Kalinski, Holmstrom) if needed. But if they lose a scoring winger, they don’t really have any of those.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I am not sure you can trade for a scoring depth guy at the deadline and just sit him on the bench waiting for one of the other guys to go down. This scoring depth guy is likely to start and if so likely to play in Nodl’s spot with Nodl going down to the 4th line. Which is what I have been saying.
Ville Leino?
And once again, if you do what you want, you are transforming the entire makeup of the team. You would be changing EVERYTHING on offense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Then you trade Carcillo, given the organ-eye-zation’s hard-on for Shelley.
I’d rather Shelley be the one to go, but that’s not happening.
So you have this in the playoffs:
HBL
Cartouxdev
JVRichie + Il Signiore Due-Via
PowNotts
Cody Shelley Sittin’ in da Box
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Carcillo is on a one year contract I believe, who wants him for half a year?
Just asking.
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But do they need a scoring winger for depth when they have Z?
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Now that Z is entrenched in the top-9, I don’t think they have depth. Their depth is Nodl, Powe, Carcillo, Shelley, Wellwood, Kalinski, and Legein.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. I guess I have problems considering Z a top 9 forward, he certainly should be but with Lavy’s use of him it’s hard to really see him entrenched in anything except Lavy’s dog house. But you are absolutely right, with Z in the top 9 their scoring depth is, well non existent.
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I agree with this. It’s hard to see him out of the doghouse, but when’s hte last time he was on the 4th line? It’s been awhile. Because of that, I don’t think there is any scoring depth.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Geoff not to go over this again but it is possible to find a player just as defensively responsible as Nodl who has more offensive upside. It is not like Nodl is this Defensive wonderkin of the likes we have never seen. He is good at but there a plenty of guys just as good or only marginaly worse who have more experience and offensive upside. Not that many availble at the deadline but there is possibilities.
I am not advocating putting a Zherdev sniper type up there. I am for making that line into a better two way line by adding another two way player. There is such a thing. Nodl is not a two way player.
I certainly don’t want another defensive forward if you wanted to do that you could put Powe up there and run Zherdev on the 4th line again with Carcillo and Betts.
I considered Chris Clark and two way player based on his previous 30 goal seasons in an earlier post but from what I have heard those days are long behind him.
We need a 20 goal scorer who is defensively responsible not a 40 goal guy who doesn’t back check. There are guys like that to be had at the deadline.
Tanguay is a possibility
Brunette I don’t think is horrible at D hard to tell from the stats but he is a vet 34 pts in 45 playoff games.
I wouldn’t trade Nodl for this piece either.
The only other option at the deadline would be get more PP help. I would move Zherdev to accomplish this if that was the move to be made. But I rather continue to feed are 5 on 5 strength and get Shelly replaced for the playoffs with Nodl.
Tanguay is a possibility
No, he’s not. The Flames are one point out of a playoff spot. They’re going to be buyers at the deadline, not sellers.
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If the Flamers were to tank down the stretch, I’d love it if the Flyers got Glencross. But you’re right, the Flames won’t start trading unless they start losing again.
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I love Glengarry Glencross. Flyers fans would love him too if he played here. But I severely doubt that they’re going to ditch him, whether or not they make the playoffs.
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by mikefive on Feb 4, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
They just won 6 in a row and have played two games more than a few of those teams ahead of them. Unlikely they can maintain that pace. More time is needed.
They are also 2 points out of 14th place.
Tanguay’s contract is up as well so they can get something for a guy who probably won’t be around next year anyway.
We need a 20 goal scorer who is defensively responsible not a 40 goal guy who doesn’t back check. There are guys like that to be had at the deadline.
20 goal scorer. On the third line. Hm… Completely possible. Not at all a luxury.
Yup, we NEED at least 7 20 goal guys. This is ridiculous.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I guess NEED is a strong word but we have the money and that is only area I think we can use an improvement.
I don’t like standing pat at the deadline something even really minor should be done just to juice the room up.
A Mark Recchi type acquisition. Too bad he isn’t available this year like every other deadline.
Powe is on the 4th line, the non-scoring line. A 3rd line of Richards and JVR shouldn’t be assembled just for the hell of it. They need be resemble some type of scoring line too, albeit with a little more defensive responsibility. Nodl provides some of that, but his offensive game just isn’t there. He’s a 4th line winger right now. If he’s going to continue playing on the 3rd line and contribute absolutely nothing offensively, he’s useless to the 3rd line. BUT HE HITS PEOPLE SOMETIMES! Great, so does, Carcillo.
If the argument is Nodl is physical and can kill a penalty, put him on the 4th line. He’s dragging down the 3rd unit. He shouldn’t be traded or beheaded, but he’s just not talented enough to play with those other guys right now. It’s that simple.
You have no idea what the 3rd line does.
Can we merge two arguments here? If everyone is saying we should trust Holmgren and Laviolette because they know more about hockey than we do, and since they play Shelley, he must have a purpose, why do people immediately turn around and say Holmgren and Laviolette are wrong about their third line? Nodl has been with Richards nearly the entire year for a reason.
And it isn’t because of his offensive upside.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
It is because the other RW Leino plays with Hartnell and Briere and Zherdev is a turnover machine who gets murder against the competition Richards faces.
That leaves Nodl or Powe and who has more offensive upside of those two. NODL.
Right. Because there’s Claude Giroux and Jeff Carter are entrenched together.
Continue ignoring the role of the 3rd line. Continue ignoring that through all the lineup shuffling, the one constant has been Richards/Nodl. JVR and Zherdev have switched. Giroux has dropped down. Powe has come up. Carter has spotted.
But Richards and Nodl stay together. And yet everybody thinks is because the coaches are handcuffed. They’re not. It’s just something you don’t want to admit.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t Geoff it wasn’t Nodl and Richie from day one.
It was Richie Carcillo.
Then Richie Powe
Even Richie Carter that got M going crazy Carter doesn’t fit blah blah blah. Then and Richie Giroux and Richie Zherdev now then finally Richie Nodl and that stuck because Nodl was scoring and everything else feel in place.
I remember the Carter JVR Nodl line for a few games. When Powe was up there with Richie but Powe was replaced not because he wasn’t bad defensively but he didn’t score and when Nodl was moved up there Nodl was scoring.
Did I say Day 1? No. No I didn’t.
And go back and look at the numbers. Seriously. Go look. You’ll be shocked to find out that Nodl and Richars have been together for months. Through constant shuffling.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
What did you do, invent post-secondary / post-Baccalaureate education?
You’re mocking Geoff’s arguments based on the fact that he goes to Drexel?
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Ironic since Geoff mocks people who go to Penn State.
Not saying I agree with this cat’s mode of attack, but it’s funny nonetheless.
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Agreed.
But I’m a Pitt man through and through.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
There’s a difference between poking fun at others based on school rivalries, versus making fun of them because their college / grad school is “inferior” or whatever.
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trying to get in too. LSATs are shit though
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 4, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
35 of the last 39 games, Nodl has been on Richards wing for the entire game.
The four games? The first two games after the demolition in Vancouver (the only two games Laviolette broke up the HBL line), and two non-consecutive games against Montreal in the middle of November.
During that stretch, Richards/Nodl have played with: van Riemsdyk, Carcillo, Zherdev, Giroux, and Wellwood.
While rotating through 5 different players, Richards/Nodl have stayed together for all but 4 games since November 4. It isn’t because there are no better options. It is because Nodl and Richards are premier shutdown players.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Nodl …. premier shutdown player
I hope you let Nodl’s agent get a hold of that one. Reminds me of the MarioD Manny Malhotra love.
And MarioD wasn’t wrong.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
primere
I like Malhotra but calling Nodl a premier shutdown forward is way too big of an overstatement that I borders on ridiculous.
Probably not, but look at his numbers.
CorsiRelQoC puts him just under Brooks Laich and Matt Cooke, while just ahead of Rich Peverly and Adam Hall. When you combine that with zone starts, the only people facing tougher competition (relative to their teammates, which is important) with worse zone starts are:
Dave Steckel, Patrice Bergeron, Bryan Bickell, Tim Brent, Saku Koivu, Teemu Selanne, Fernando Pisani, Adam Burish, Jerred Smithson, Joel Ward, and Dave Bolland.
Is this method perfect? Not at all. It doesn’t factor in those teams’ likelihood of starting in the defensive zone, but there aren’t many people who are put in tougher spots than Nodl in the NHL this year?
Premiere? Probably not. Exceptional? I don’t even think it’s a question. He’s in the top-tier of defensive forwards this year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Warning this sounds like a dick and contains exaggeration.
That tough spot percentage also has a lot to do with Nodl’s lack of offensive ability. Lavy doesn’t even bother putting him in easy positions where he can succeed offensively because why waste those improved offensive opportunities on Nodl.
Side Note.
Bergeron is friggin awesome the post lockout Michael Peca.
That explanation doesn’t explain his tough competition in tough spots though.
Sure, Blair Betts and Jody Shelley start in the defensive zone because they waste offensive opportunities, but to say that Nodl is back there because he can’t score is ignoring everything else, not least of which is those offensive opportunities are going to Briere’s line, and nobody else.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I have a very good idea what a traditional 3rd line does. We aren’t built like a traditional hockey team. We have tremendous offensive depth. Our 3rd line features our captain and our future 1st line winger. That line can score. Nodl cannot. I don’t like it. I don’t run the team, so why the fuck do any of you care what I have to say anyway? I’m entitled to believe a guy who hasn’t scored since Dec. 31st is offensively challenged.
haha, yay!
I have a very good idea what a traditional 3rd line does.
Cool. Not what I said.
We aren’t built like a traditional hockey team.
Is that so? In what way.
We have tremendous offensive depth.
Is that so? Because you’re saying there are at least 5 of the 13 players on this team who are “offensively challenged”. That’s not “tremendous offensive depth.” But whatever.
Our 3rd line features our captain and our future 1st line winger.
“Future” is the imperative word here. Why, you ask?
That line can score.
Is that so? How much has JVR been scoring lately? 1.76 Pts/60. He’s ON FIRE!
Nodl cannot.
How much has Nodl been scoring? 1.72 Pts/60. He is SO FAR BEHIND JVR, it’s ridiculous. He can’t score. JVR can. Those 0.04 pts/60 are proof of that.
I’m entitled to believe a guy who hasn’t scored since Dec. 31st is offensively challenged.
Yes you are. And I’m entitled to tell you you’re wrong. And back it up with facts.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
/lawyer’d
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"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
A) Really?
B) Do you not know what “lawyer’d” is? It’s a meme.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Well, you’ll definitely be an “Esquire” at the very least.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
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Eh. Not just on the J.D.
I was actually asking someone if, between receiving my degree and passing the bar exam, can I ask people to call me Doctor?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Sure you can. My friend Tim (whose house we’re all apparently going to this Sunday) went to ’Nova law and graduated, but never passed the Bar. Because he has his J.D., he is an Esquire. His business cards all say Timothy MidInitial Lastname, Esq.
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Wikipedia backs up my believe that “Esquires” passed the bar…
I don’t think your friend is an Esquire.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I’m an attorney and someone who went through law school and graduated, but didn’t pass the bar, in my mind, should not be adding Esq. to their name. I’ve seen people like that use JD, but at the end of the day, it seems pretentious to add either to your name. None of the attorneys I work with have Esq on their business cards or letterhead. They simply have their name and title.
Sarauj, Latvija!
That’s what I thought. And yes, Esq. does seem pretentious. But when you say “title”, what do you mean?
And my thing about having people call me “Doctor” is purely to be a dick. I also think it would be funny.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
In a law firm, a business card may say “Attorney at Law”. For an in-house attorney, it may say something like “Assistant General Counsel” or “Deputy General Counsel”.
I’ve never heard an attorney referred to as Doctor, but that would be funny. I suppose there are those who have a dual JD/MD, but that’s pretty rare.
Sarauj, Latvija!
Definitely. And I’m not saying I want to be called Doctor once I pass the bar, I’m saying in the interim.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, Doctor Geoff.
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I’m not yet!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, during the interim phase you won’t see any of your friends anyway. The several months from the time I graduated law school until the bar exam (usually in August), I was either taking the Bar-Bri review courses in a windowless classroom, or sitting in my room studying for hours on end. Your life literally goes on complete hold during that time. It sucks, but when you get the news that you passed the bar, you feel like the weight of the world has been lifted from your shoulders!
Sarauj, Latvija!
haha, which is why I don’t want to take the bar. lol
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
No way to sugar coat the fact that it sucks, especially if you’re taking more than one exam at the time. When I graduated, I took the PA and NJ exams over a 3-day period. Some really motivated people also added NY to the mix. But the good thing is that if you do everything the bar review folks tell you to do, you will pass. I took the exam 18 years ago (wow, now I feel old!), and at that time Bar/Bri was the premier bar review course. The people I know that didn’t pass either took a different course, or no course at all, or they didn’t follow the process as instructed. Just do what they tell you to do and you’ll be fine!
Sarauj, Latvija!
haha, awesome. I’m thinking of taking Themis, but I’m unsure.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
No court, statute, or rule has ever held that “esquire” means lawyer or that it is restricted for use only by those licensed to practice law.
From said article. Tim doesn’t practice law. He is in finance, and he has a J.D. I guess he uses “Esquire” in place of J.D.?
From same article:
[“Esquire”] was assumed by the legal profession, and not granted to it by any governmental authority…No court in the United States has ever held that merely using the title “Esquire” is evidence of anything.
So Tim is not being fraudulent. I could go around calling myself MikeFive Esq. as long as I don’t claim to practice law, or ACTUALLY practice law.
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haha, I’m not saying he’s guilty of a crime or being fraudulent.
Just that the accepted use of the suffix implies a licensed attorney. But there is no governing board, so…
It’s just something that would probably (and correctly) be deemed unethical in some legal circles, depending on how he uses it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Right but if anybody reasonably relies on the fact that they think he’s a J.D., it’s not going to end well.
Oooh, “reasonably relies”.
So you’re in/graduated from law school?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
haha so very, very true.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
dude I hear average reasonable standard somewhere
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Doctor. Doctor. Doctor. Doctor…and Doctor.
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Older. Funnier movie.
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 4, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, just maybe, their numbers are what they are because… the coaching staff is using them in a defensive role.
I don’t know. I’m just spitballin’ here.
(And yes, I have facts to back that up to prove it as true.)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I very, very much grasp that concept. Trust me I do. It doesn’t make it right. Richards is an excellent two-way hockey player. JVR.. feel free to plug in his defensive statistics. He seems competent out there defensively, but on the whole I don’t know. I’m looking to replace Nodl. I understand that there probably isn’t a readily available roster player who can both play good D and pop some goals in. That’s what I want. I’m sick of Nodl looking useless offensively.
But it isn’t a scoring line! We have two of those already! This is the THIRD line! The SHUTDOWN line!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
You don’t put that line out against Kunitz – Crosby – Malkin.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t realize we had to structure our line combinations to combat a possible line that doesn’t always play together. You can put Richards, Kessler, and Datsyuk out against that line and it wouldn’t be enough.
I didn’t realize we had to structure our line combinations to combat a possible line that doesn’t always play together.
I’m saying Betts Powe Nodl isn’t a shutdown line. It’s a fourth line.
A shutdown line is Richards – Giroux – Nodl. Which Lavy put together to face exactly that line.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
It has nothing to do with talent.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
The fourth line isn’t the ‘shutdown line’; it’s the ‘energy line’. You send out Betts and company to give your top nine a breather, let them race around and run into people, and get them the hell off the ice before your opponent puts skill players out to scorch them. Now, in playing Betts and Powe on that fourth line, the Flyers have an unusual luxury in that those two guys are pretty damn good at playing ‘shutdown’ as well. But as Geoff and I established elsewhere, Richards has been going out against the top lines of opposing squads for a while now – and it ain’t so he can try to score on them.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 4, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
So you say the 4th line is an energy line, except that the Flyers have assembled one that looks like a shut down line. But the Flyers shouldn’t make their 4th line a shut down line. Great. Whatever point you tried to make was god awful in the end.
It doesn’t change the fact that the 4th line is not a shutdown line. And adding Nodl to it doesn’t make it one either.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
So Betts has one purpose on this team – play some serious defense, and he does. Your argument for playing Nodl at all is his hitting, energy, and penalty killing. Powe. Who knows what he does out there? Run around a lot and hit people, too. Why can’t we throw out that as a 4th line again? If all of them are on the roster solely to play defense, they should function as a shut down line.
Your argument for playing Nodl at all is his hitting, energy, and penalty killing.
This is not my argument at all. That’s the argument for Powe.
If all of them are on the roster solely to play defense, they should function as a shut down line.
If you think Powe – Betts – Nodl can handle facing Stamkos – Lecavalier – St. Louis and Kunitz – Crosby – Malkin and Ovechkin – Laich – Backstrom, go right ahead.
But I’d venture that they can’t handle facing them for 13 minutes a game, and thus are not a “shutdown line”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Why won’t you see past the traditional model of a hockey team? Usually you are lucky to have 1 competent scoring line. We have 3. The 4th line is made up of strong defensive players, and you kick to the curb useless assholes like Carcillo and Shelley. It’s not what most clubs would do, but I don’t think any club has what we have.
Wait, what? Nearly every part of that contradicts something that you said earlier in this very same conversation.
I thought the traditional model of a hockey team was:
1st line – scoring
2nd line – scoring
3rd line – checking/shutdown
4th line – CHECKING/energy
Is that not what we currently have?
You argued earlier for wanting a scoring forward to replace Nodl because he doesn’t score enough goals for your liking, but say right here that we have 3 competent scoring lines, which would include Nodl.
Ugh, forget it, this is hurting my head too much.
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If my entire argument was that the 3rd line is restricted with Nodl and I want him replaced, I figure that would be implicit in my 45th post today. Sorry for not fully writing that we have 2 scoring lines and a 3rd scoring line with 2 scorers and one guy who can’t score. Trust me, I know now that if I ever dare write anything that you may respond to, I will spell everything out in unnecessary detail.
And yet the 3rd line doesn’t have 2 scorers. Imagine that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
With a 1.76 Pts/60 for the season? A whole 0.04 points higher than Nodl? Either they’re both scorers or neither are.
Bob.
But that doesn’t fit my preconceived notion! Therefore, counter-argument ignoring facts, pivot back to Nodl, rabble rabble, watch a hockey game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Somebody already pointed out why the argument is skewed. JVR has been producing much more since Jan. 1 than Nodl. Nodl caught lightning in a bottle to even inflate his meek numbers. Are you really going to ignore the chances JVR creates for himself with his speed and newly found tenacity?
I love how there is no hint of irony in here.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
So we should completely ignore that Nodl was hot early when JVR was stone cold? We should judge the total value of these two players based solely on the past 5 weeks? Wouldn’t it make more sense to look over the entire season (as everyone but you is doing) to smooth out the little streaks and droughts that every player goes through?
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I understand your fucking argument, thanks asshole.
But you still said we have 3 scoring lines, see:
Usually you are lucky to have 1 competent scoring line. We have 3.
But we don’t! We shouldn’t! We need that 3rd line to be a shutdown line! WHICH IS WHAT IT IS!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Er, what? That’s like saying that since you have two-way players on your scoring line, it’s no good. The fourth line is the energy line. PERIOD. The Richards line is the shutdown line. PERIOD. The fact that the Richie line can also score, and the Betts line can also defend, is simply a bonus.
What part don’t you get?!?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 4, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Because ‘energy line’ is like saying a SS like Eckstein is useful because he does intangible things well. It’s a useless thing to have. Having an ‘energy line’ means you don’t have enough real hockey players, so you suit up guys like Carcillo to pick fights and take penalties.
Would you like to know what energizes the Flyers? Scoring. For all of their depth, a 4th line made up of fighters and usless players doesn’t help.
I am assuming SS means shortstop … which means nothing to me since I don’t give a damn about baseball.
So you would (somehow) have three scoring lines and a shutdown line? Is that your pipe dream? OK – great. That would, in fact, be phenomenal. It is also unrealistic. Go play with CapGeek.com a while and get back to me.
And I’m telling Darroll Powe you called him ‘useless’.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 4, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
The Flyers are one winger away from having 3 scoring lines and a 4th line of all strong defensive hockey players. Works just fine for me. I don’t know why I have to only have 2 scoring lines, some random shut down line of useful players being wasted, and then a 4th line of goons just for the hell of it. It hasn’t brought me a cup yet, so I’d like to go with my idea.
As I said – your idea is just fine … but unworkable in the salary cap. If you can find a player to take the second wing on Richards line, and assemble a for-real shutdown line for your fourth line, and still be under that salary cap, I think everyone here would vote you into being GM by universal acclaim.
But til then, it’s just a dream. Sorry.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 4, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
You disagree that Powe, Betts, and Nodl make up a shut down line. They are all in the lineup to play defense, but nobody will say they are a shut down line. So I don’t see how we get past that issue.
And I don’t see how you can play Powe – Betts – Nodl 13 minutes a game against Tampa, Pitt, and Washington’s top lines.
That’s hardly a “shutdown” line if you can’t “shutdown” the other team’s best. And if they can’t do that, who does? Bam, you suddenly have no use for three scoring lines since the Flyers don’t play odd-man rush hockey.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
You need Richie to play defense! He’s good at defense! He’s on our third line! OUR SHUTDOWN LINE! OUR THIRD LINE IS OUR SHUTDOWN LINE! IT IS NOT A SCORING LINE! (Richie just happens to score goals because he is also awesome.)
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Right. We basically have two scoring lines, one of which is strong defensively, the other is adequate. We have a third line that plays shut-down defense and happens to have two players that are above-average on offense, and a fourth line that’s competent at defense, but mostly exists to burn a few minutes a game to give other guys a breather. Using the “main” player of each line, it’s:
Carter – good defense, scoring line
Briere – adequate defense, high scoring line
Richards – shut-down defense, above-average offense
Betts – time-burning line
Bob.
Exactly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I do have to take back saying that JvR’s part of a shut-down defensive line, though – he’s been really sheltered. He’s had a 50.3% Ozone (only the LBH line is higher), and a -.067 QualComp, with only Betts and Shelley being lower. I didn’t realize he’d been that sheltered until I took a look at BTN’s numbers.
Bob.
True. But that just goes back to my entire point:
Richards and Nodl are a pair. The third winger rotates. Which is proof that a) Richards isn’t a scoring forward; b) Nodl isn’t being put in bad situations because he can’t score; c) Nodl is Richards’ winger. If you want more offense out of that line, you aren’t replacing Nodl, you’re replacing the offensive player who is underperforming.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t necessarily consider a) to be true. It would be more accurate to say that Richards isn’t primarily a scoring forward (like Briere or Leino or Zherdev) – he’s capable of filling that role in a pinch, but serves better as a defensive specialist capable of exploiting opponents’ errors (basically, he’s a counterpuncher).
Actually, now I’m curious about what a Nodl-Richards-Zherdev line could do. Zherdev doesn’t have the strength of JvR, but I’m not sure he’s much worse defensively, and he’d add even more counterpunch threat with his speed.
Bob.
I like having JVR because it means that line has three forwards who can forecheck effectively.
I’m not saying Zherdev can’t, I just think JVR can do it better.
Mourning Gagne forever.
Good point about a. I should have qualified it, like you did.
They tried Zherdev for a couple of games (Games 15-17, 20, and 43-47) and I’m not sure what the results were. But I think I agree with Todd.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Based on what you see!
Also, who beat Zherdev in the fastest skater competition!
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Based on what I see, the idea of mentoring two young players, and the philosophy of wanting strong board work.
The scoring opportunities Nodl creates are almost always ones where he’s along the wall (including behind the net) and he’s able to win a puck battle (which Don has been disappointed with lately) and gets the puck to the top of the crease. JVR will/should be there. Zherdev won’t/shouldn’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I used a non-stats argument.
Mind blown.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Why do you think that when Richards and JVR get another winger, they will stop playing defense? There are thousands of hockey players who can do exactly what Nodl does every night. If you guys want the 3rd line to do nothing but play defense that’s fine. It doesn’t have to be Nodl out there, too.
Really? Look above you. There are maybe 10 people who face as tough of competition as Nodl in worse situations.
You have no idea how good he is this year, but keep acting like Jon Kalinski can fulfill his role just as well.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
JVR since the NEW YEAR IS AT 0.5 pts per game.
NODL HAS 3 PT SINCE JANUARY 1st in the last 12 god damn games.
JVR has doubled NODL with 6 pts including 4 goals in the same span.
Everybody has been saying JVR has been playing a lot better as of late it is known. ANd everybody has been saying he was slumping in the beginning.
And yet Nodl has been starting in the defensive zone 63% of the time since the Christmas Break.
Further, good for JVR. His job is to score. Nodl’s isn’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Since January 1:
Nodl has started 66.4% of his shifts in the defensive zone.
He has a 47.7% Fenwick and a 46.6% Corsi.
He has been on the ice for 7 Flyers goals and 6 Opposition goals.
And who was he on the ice against?
- Franzen, Kovalchuk, Kovalchuk, Vanek, Krejci, Thorburn, Stepan, Backstrom, Alfredsson, Elias, Toews, Kostitsyn, St. Louis, Halischuk
Gee, that’s a lot of first lines Nodl is facing WHO AREN’T SCORING ON HIM. I wonder. What were JVR’s numbers?
11 goals for, 8 goals against
48.2% Fenwick, 48.1% Corsi
53.5% of his shifts starting in the defensive zone.
Man, JVR has been playing so much better.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
We aren’t built like a traditional hockey team. We have tremendous offensive depth.
True, but defense wins championships. The Flyers are going to need a line to shut down the opposition. And Richards / Nodl are good at that.
Sure, Nodl doesn’t score a lot. But the Flyers don’t (and shouldn’t) need him to.
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I understand that.
The Flyers have managed to become one of the best teams in the league with Nodl doing what he’s been doing. If they can find a reasonably-priced two-way upgrade for him on the 3rd line, great. But if they can’t I’m not all that worried about it.
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The first thing that they need to do is find a way to move Leighton and Walker to get some value back and pan off their contracts so that were not paying all that money for a AHL Players.
Maybe move Shelley too.
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Agreed entirely about Leighton and Walker.
And to think, many of us around here slammed the organization for those acquisitions. Some defended them. Shocking how that works out.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Shelley isn’t going anywhere, for some reason he seems to have some special place on this team.
As for Leighton and Walker, I agree completely, but I can’t see how guys who made it through waivers, thus no one wanted them at half price would then be willing to trade for them later.
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They wouldn’t have been half-price on the way down, only on the way back up (if/when that happens), right? Also, if they’re in the AHL now, they’re not counting against the salary cap, so I don’t see the harm in leaving them there. If another team wants them for whatever reason, and proposes a trade, that’s just fine. But I’m not worried about actively trying to deal them. Maybe I’m wrong on that, I dunno.
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They’ll both be available to the Flyers in the playoffs when waiver rules and the salary cap don’t apply. I’d rather the Flyers not have to use them, but it’s nice to know they’re available in case of emergency.
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Right, so I don’t see the harm in leaving them there. No need to actively go looking for a trade.
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I want to actively seek a trade for Leighton. Walker? Like Mike says, he’s the best insurance policy on defense in the playoffs.
But I want both of them gone in the offseason.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Regarding Walker, let’s put aside his contract for a second.
Would you mind having him next year if they don’t bring O’Donnell back?
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Put his contract aside? I just did that. In the playoffs (where there’s no cap), he’s an upgrade over Bartulis. He’s the best 7th defenseman in the organization in an uncapped world.
Next year? Hell no. They don’t have room. They can’t afford to spend that much money on defense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
What hintzy said: They weren’t half-price on waivers, that’s only re-entry.
Nevertheless, your point remains: If nobody wanted them for nothing, why would they give something up for them?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
DiPietro injured + Roloson traded away = Desperation for NYI
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Hmmm...
DiPietro injured + Roloson traded away+minor league prospect injured+Nabby being Nabby+Garth Snow doesn’t give a S*** = What the hell is going on up there?
NYI playoff hopes = nonexistant = no desperation for NYI to acquire a career AHL starter/NHL backup.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
There are better ways to do that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Walker is a nice to have come playoff time especially if he doesn’t cost anything in terms of making a deadline trade. Leighton is not going anywhere there a ton of average goalies available.
BOB came out of nowhere he was not in the cards when Leighton was signed. If we signed Dan Ellis we would still be in the same boat with a few more losses. So Monday Morning Quarterbacking the Leighton deal is a little unfair.
That’s not at all true. Leighton was a bad contract at the time it was signed. Now, it’s a really bad contract. Just because Dan Ellis is underperforming doesn’t make the Leighton contract worse.
Did you even look at the Goaltending information? Michael Leighton is worse than Brian Boucher. Over the last 3 years, he’s way worse than Brian Boucher. And that includes his wicked awesome 1,200 shot sample. Yet he got $1.55 million.
It was a terrible contract then. It’s a terrible contract now. And it will forever be a terrible contract.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Forever did you say?
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by EREX21 on Feb 4, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As always I will never call a sub 2million contract for two years terrible because it doesn’t really effect shit. Terrible contract as you call yet we got rid of it easily. And today are in the best cap situation we have ever been in.
Also since the difference in this case between terrible and good would be I guess 400K.
Pominiville for 5 million is a terrible contract.
Huet for 6.5 million is a terrible contract.
Vanek for 7 million for 12 years is a terrible contract.
Kovy’s contract is a terrible contract.
Rolston contract is a terrible contract.
They are huge percentages of the cap wasted that could have been used on other players that would have had great impact of the team.
Even if you say Leighton was a bad signing it didn’t and hasn’t mattered or effective anything.
Ugh, yes. A goalie who is worse than a guy with a $925k contract getting $1.55 million is not a terrible contract.
And because the Flyers got rid of it – when NO ONE ELSE WANTED THAT CONTRACT – proves it doesn’t matter. It’s not a bad contract. Because it hasn’t hurt them (wait, the Flyers would have been in “the best cap situation we have ever been in” long before? No….) isn’t proof that it isn’t bad.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Geoff it is 600K 600K. The cap is 60 milllion. That makes that overpayment 1% of the cap. You can’t do anything with that 600K at all nothing that makes a good damn difference to anything.
HOLY SHIT 1% error Mr. Stats I am sure that is with a standard deviation of something.
I truly hope you don’t have any aspirations to run your own business.
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I hope you don’t invest in stock markets because I don’t want you to job of the roof as soon you lose 1% of your investment.
If that made any sense I would have an adequate response. I assume you meant jump.
And your completely ignoring the fact that the stock market, for an investor is largely out of my control however signing a player to a shit contract if I was the GM is very much in my control. So really, your analogy makes no sense at all.
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Here’s what it comes down to, IMO:
It’s a 600k overpay on a player worth 900k. That’s not a 1% overpay, it’s a 67% overpay. That makes it a terrible evaluation of the player’s value, and a terrible contract.
However, that terrible contract is a relatively small one, so its impact is relatively small. As long as they get the right value on the big-impact deals, the small ones won’t matter so much.
Again, you come through making quite possibly the most rational and correct response. You rock.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
What Huck said.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Leighton I agree with.
Walker I want around for the playoffs in case someone gets hurt.
I know that even a 3rd pairing featuring Oskars Bartulis is not going to kill the Flyers, but I’d rather have Pat Faulkner back there, sorry.
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I agree with this.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one that wants Walker to stay in the mix? He was not horrible and O’Donnell is not long for this league. Leighton is a different story.
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I don’t want Walker’s cap hit. If you want to stash him in the minors for 82 games a year, then call him up for the playoffs during each of the next three seasons, awesome. Otherwise? That is far too much money for your #6 defenseman.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
SOD is 1.3 and I don’t expect him back next year. It is only 400k more. Man people around here really get there tities twisted over a measly 400k. :-)
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Thankfully you’re be facetious.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
PS. Shelley goes no where he is the whole reason this team has had the best year it has had in years. I can’t figure out any other reason. nanny nanny boo-boo
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Thems the facts!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Original 6
I agree with the Original 6 crap. I never realized it could be as deep as shown here, but the NHL has a hard-on for all things Original 6. Every time the Rangers play Boston, we get to hear about the Original 6 matchup. Watching the NHL network, I get a great history lesson every night about a great figure from an Original 6 team. It’s embarrassing. It was a time when the NHL was really a dinosaur and only a handful of US cities took it seriously. The NHL is still trying to gain mainstream recognition focusing on a time when most US cities were ignored is probably a bad way of doing it. Get over it. And can we stop calling teams like the Flyers an expansion team? They have been around for over 40 years. It might be time to drop the expansion tag.
thanks for listening to my rant
Well...
NBC has been having commercials for the “Classic” match-up between the Pens and the Caps.
Because they’ve been playing long enough to be considered classic. Right. Sure.
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by Chemistry66 on Feb 4, 2011 9:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
NBC choosing to focus on Original Six teams and Caps/Pens for the broadcasts is completely independent of the league. That’s what NBC thinks people want to watch and will bring in the highest ratings and revenue for them. The Flyers have also made that special list. When we play on national coverage, people watch. The NHL has little to no control over what NBC wants to do with its broadcasts. (including labeling the Flyers an expansion team)
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So Noodles has a great stretch and then seemingly cools down and that means he should be trade bait? I’m not a crazy stats master but it just sounds kind of wrong to me.
It happens to more seasoned players too. And more expensive players.
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by Chemistry66 on Feb 4, 2011 9:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
And nobody is acknowledging that – like in baseball – when you slump in one area (goal scoring/hitting), you have to compensate by playing better in another (defense, fielding). Nodl is doing exactly that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I think Nodl being “shit on” may be exaggerating a little. Yes, Dustin suggests an upgrade over Nodl at wing. Steve says the team could do that, but recommends they stick what what they’ve got. David also notes rumors of the Flyers going for a veteran wing, with no mention of where he would fit in the roster. Nick says keep the team as is, and even mentions that Nodl is valuable on PK and that the only reason the Flyers should make a move is to clear cap space to keep others, including Nodl. So I’d say that’s 1.5/4 that are anti-Nodl. However, the rumors that we’re looking for a veteran winger are still noteworthy, though it’s tough to predict what effect that will have on Nodl’s role on the team.
The vanGirouxdyk thing is hilarious. We sure are rocking that “Eastern division!”
The OtF suspensions article is interesting. The introductory stuff was tough to get through without rolling my eyes after every sentence. Sounded like typical homer, tin-foil hat complaining. I was about to give up, and then I got to the table, which is interesting. I dunno, the data is still kinda all over the place, so it’s hard for me to trust a linear trend line. It is an interesting way to look at it though.
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I agree entirely about the opening of the OtF article. I had the same feeling. But then I read the rest and was blown away.
As far as Nodl: You’re right in that “shitting on” was harsh in relation to that article. But it’s yet another article in a short time with people wanting him traded/upgraded.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I would love Nodl to be on the 4th line.
The 4th line was bangin’ last night. Imagine that damn crew in the playoffs except with Nodl in Carcillo’s spot. Didn’t they have that setup last year after Lappy went down?
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I would love Nodl to be on the 4th line.
I think everybody would. Because that means the third line is ridiculously good. But only one person (penguinsfan) has even come up with any names out there (that are available) to replace him.
Everybody loves to talk about upgrading Nodl, but pipedreams like Tanguay (not a two-way player, BTW) are pointless.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
But…but…I have a dream.
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by EREX21 on Feb 4, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nodl on the 4th line would also mean that our fourth line is ridiculously good for a fourth line. Maybe not ridiculously good, but good for a fourth line.
I wouldn’t be opposed to it if the Flyers can pull it off without doing anything dumb.
I am not expecting Tanguay to come here, nor do I want him to come here. As I said elsewhere in the thread, the Flames are going to be buyers, not sellers – assuming they don’t tank this month.
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And I agree with everything here.
But nobody can name me a viable winger on the trading block that would slot in alongside JVR/Richards.
And when they name me that winger, I will then ask them to explain who will get 90% of their 5-on-5 ice time against Crosby/Malkin.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
The Flyers should trade for Crosby. Then they can put him on the third line and finally get someone who doesn’t drag Richards down like Nodl does, and they don’t have to worry about who’s going to line up against Crosby.
Duh.
The Flyers should find a team that’s about to go broke. Then they can buy that team, keep all of its best players, and become Forza Arancia e Nera.
That’s what Minnesota did with Cleveland when they were going belly-up. They did that prior to the 1978-79 season. As a result, the North Stars went from 18-53-9 in 1977-78 to 28-40-12 in 1978-79 to 36-28-16 in 1979-80.
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But nobody can name me a viable winger on the trading block that would slot in alongside JVR/Richards.
And if it can’t be done don’t do anything but what the hell is the big deal about discussing the possibilities and names that our out there without getting all up in arms to defend Nodl.
GM’s can do miracles. The Philies signed Cliff Lee.
I put Leino in the miracle category who thought we would get Pronger either or sign Giroux to such a favorable contract and get Carter to stay at under a 6 million per year.
All these things were pipe dreams so you.
Ideally though Nodl will get back his scoring touch he had in college and turn into that 20 goal 40 point guy but at this point trading for Crobsy might be just as likely.
discussing the possibilities and names that our out there without getting all up in arms to defend Nodl.
When did you discuss possibilities? You haven’t. Penguinsfan did, and I responded to him. We reached an agreement.
You, however, aren’t discussing possibilities. You’ve thrown out Alex Tanguay, then said he’s available because the Flames “can’t keep winning”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
MY playing GM UPGRADE RW post predates penquins fan by posted on January 11th 2011
An entire detailed list of possibilities notice my selection was Chris Clark because he is also defensively responsible and a bigger body.
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2011/1/11/1928355/playing-gm-upgrade-the-rw
Narrow it down. Give cap hits, viability, and role. You threw out a ton of names, with many, many different styles.
Chris Clark is not an upgrade on Nodl, and he’s even more of a fourth-liner than Nodl is. Take out the ones even you say are unlikely to be traded, and we’ll talk.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind picking up Chris Clark simply because he went to my wife’s high school. She was excited when the Caps named him captain, and very disappointed when he was traded. (Still talks about it.) If he came to Philly, it might force her to take a liking to the Flyers, and my evil plan would be complete this could be nice.
But that’s very selfish, so if it doesn’t help the team, I’ll let it go. :-p
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It was a starting point the way the standings are also changing it is hard to know who is going to buying and selling come deadline.
I didn’t know enough about Chris Clark wanted to get everyone’s opinion on him and know now that he is not going to help.
Right. And that’s fine. So narrow it down now and we’ll have a discussion.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’d just like to point out my restraint in not commenting on Teddy Purcell’s two goals against the Flyers immediately following our conversation. :)
And to recap that extensive exchange with Geoff for less-regular readers, we agreed that Blake Comeau was a reasonable upgrade, but there were concerns about both his health and his contract status for next season. (Correct me if I’m wrong, Geoff.) And considering his age, contract, and the fact that he’s the #2 scorer for his current team, it ain’t likely. If you’re really bored, you can read for yourself – http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2011/1/30/1964435/trade-deadline-four-weeks-away
There were also multiple posts prior to that – one listed by chris below, one by myself, just to name a couple. However, if you really read Chris’, it basically says ‘no’ to almost every winger mentioned. My previous fanpost – http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2011/1/27/1959517/possible-dance-partners-at-the-trade-deadline – goes into a bit more detail about cap numbers and whatnot, but as Geoff continually points out, to include someone on the roster that fits into or under Nodl’s salary AND is an upgrade to a line that faces top-line competition regularly, well, you’re fishing for a dream. Unless the team moves Nodl AND someone else from the active roster, an upgrade isn’t realistic.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 4, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, you said it perfectly.
Anybody who says “upgrade Nodl” needs to come at me with a name who is available. And then answer my follow up of: Who faces Stamkos – Lecavalier – St. Louis for 13 minutes a game?
Until then, continue dreaming about “upgrading Nodl’s position”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
This is baseless. I could scour the rosters and find hundreds of guys who make 300K a year who can skate and hit some guys and backcheck. What the hell makes Nodl so special that he is irreplaceable on the 3rd line? His ability to hit the goalie in the chest at a 100% clip?
haha, 300k a year is under the league minimum.
Come back at me with some facts.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
No, Mario understands roles and the value of defensive hockey.
And he knows the league minimum.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it’s terribly difficult to understand roles in hockey. I understand that Nodl is a 4th line winger and maybe a future 2nd line wing if he ever figures out what to do with the puck. Fairly easy to figure out.
League minimum burn!
Bob.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Can we get over the fucking childish bullshit and actually debate hockey? Why the fuck do you always revert to this shit? Have you run out of arguments and have to resort to insulting people?
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This is great, because my comment wasn’t even directed at you.
So you really just come off as bitter and petty.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
BOB!!!
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 5, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Bob
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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But what I love is how I said “come to me with a name who is available to play St. Louis, Stamkos, Lecavalier 13+ minutes a night”. He says “I could scour the rosters and find hundreds”
Yet doesn’t name one.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Go search capgeek or any website of your choosing and find me ANYONE in the NHL who makes 300K. Go ahead. I’ll wait. Good luck with that.
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I thought you weren’t talking to me any more? You can’t say in the same thread that you’re afraid of me and then keep responding to me.
When did I say I was afraid of you? I cannot find those words anywhere. Maybe my browser search function isn’t working. Or, the more likely explanation, you’re making shit up. I said I wasn’t going to respond to your childish insults. But I have and will continue to call you on using false numbers and other assorted nonsense to support your bogus arguments.
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I’d really have to look and see who’s out there.
Somehow pull a rabbit out of a hat and get Jussi Jokinen and move him over to the right side? Huh?!?!?
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Paille
So this guy got a 4 game suspension. Isn’t 6 the standard for that kind of hit? Original 6 bias in action?
He got 4 games? Well deserved.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
OtF: I looked at the graph and made my own conclusions. I don’t think you can say anything solid about bias and such, but it is very interesting. The sample size weakens it considerably, though an r value of 0.4 suggests some correlation.
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Where do you see the R value? 0.4 is pretty low in my field, not nearly enough to consider it a good fit.
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I read it in the comments. It depends on what you are looking at. For perfect data, it should be above 0.9 but in the real world that rarely happens. In ecology, an r>0.3 usually is ok to imply some correlation.
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Ah, gotcha. In aerospace, we’re usually doing curve fits to turn experimental data into a smooth function for a model. So unless you have incredibly noisy (and therefore, not terribly useful) data, you need a pretty damn high R value.
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As Huck said, it’s interesting noise.
I’d be interested in seeing a yearly PIM for and against for all teams since the lockout. I’m not sure if you could suggest a bias based on that data, but you never know. I don’t know where you could find PIM against for teams though.
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1) That would be difficult;
2) I don’t think the PIM data would reveal much, if any, bias;
3) I think PIM data would change the thesis, since it would no longer be looking only at the League. It’s tough to say that the League’s on-ice referees are acting 100% as the League would like them to.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
1) How about looking at PP Opp vs TSH? NHL.com keeps records of all that
2 & 3) I think you’d probably see a few low PIM teams eg Detroit, and a few high PIM teams eg Philadelphia and Anaheim. Who knows if that is actually informative? If you think looking at PP OPP vs TSH would be viable then I’d give it a go.
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1) Looking at Opps and PK times is a start, but how much time was spent?
2 & 3) I agree with you on that, but I think the spread will be fairly small. You’ll see a trend, but I don’t know if it will be large enough to draw any meaningful conclusions.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
1) Both count opportunities, so could be used to see how penalised a team is and how many penalties are called in their favour
2) This was hours ago, so I’m kind of over it now. Maybe if I get a chance tomorrow.
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haha, samsies.
Sorry.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
This.
I’d blockquote my favorite parts if I had those buttons on mobile.
The Kovalderp one was awesome. And I loled at the Forsberg bit.
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I think this one was my favorite, because it fits multiple zings in a single joke:
The Super Bowl: Pittsburgh is known for being involved in games that feature violent head shots, which are immediately followed by swift and severe sanctions from the league in an effort to reduce concussions.
Regular season hockey: Pittsburgh is known for being involved in games that feature violent head shots.
Bob.
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Haven’t renounced that yet ….
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 4, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
How about that! I refresh the page and more links appear! Magic!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
haha, I do this almost every day around 9-930. I schedule the post around 10-11pm, then the overnight links get added when I get to work.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I watched the video of Leino’s goal on The700level.com and “wow” that was amazing.
The Clarke article on Phillysportsdaily was great too… it’s interesting to read about the history of a team and how the early type of play stays with a team for generations.
Thanks for the tons of links so I could procrastinate my work!
And Happy birthday “I’dratherbeinphilly”!!
Pause it at the 18 second mark of that video. There’s a Devils fan giving us a standing O smack in the middle of the screen.
by IG on Feb 4, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Has anyone else noticed that the Devils are 8-1-1 in their last 10 games and no longer last overall? Not that I want them to do well, just that they do well against the Pens and Rangers for the rest of the season.
I hope they do well enough to just miss the playoffs, no top pick for them.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
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I haven’t been following the prospects for this year’s draft, but last time I read about potential 1st rd picks, the common feeling was that there’s a big drop off in talent after the top 4. Is this still the case?
by IG on Feb 4, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
At that pace they would finish with about 91 points or so. Good enough for a playoff spot, imo, but still not likely.
The higher they pick in the draft, the more detrimental to their salary cap for the next few years according to what I’ve read. They would have to commit more money right away for his EL salary and would he would hit RFA status sooner, which, if he plays well like Parise, will be expensive.
Yeah but they are going to lose some cap over the next couple years, so they’d be OK. Fitting good young talent into the cap scheme is not a problem I want them to have. I’m hoping Minnesota or the Kings bite the bullet and offer him a contract this offseason…the Devils can’t possibly match what they could offer him.
by IG on Feb 4, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I think they will resign Parise no matter what happens since Arnott will be gone as well as Andy Greene. But still, they have to field 18 skaters each game, which has been problematic for them this year. Cap numbers won’t change a great deal for them next year. The way I see it is that the only cap “relief” they get will be if the cap inflates each year for a couple of years. By then Marty is gone and I know of no heir apparent in goal for them.
I heard 2 things that don’t bode well for Parise coming back 1) Jeff Vanderbeek cannot sign him to a long term contract until Brick City sells their minority piece of the franchise, which could take a while. 2) Parise is not happy with the organization’s signing of Kovy and handling of the Langenbrunner trade. If no one gives up the picks and offers him a long term deal, I bet he signs a 1 year deal and tests the market next offseason
by IG on Feb 4, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Woke up today with a massive headache, and several large cuts on my knuckles. Don’t remember who brought me home, but I’m terrified to find out what i did last night. Needless to say, I missed the game. Damn…..
I'm kind of a dick.
Where did you go? Who were you out with?
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My buddy owns a bar, so I hang out there quite a bit. I had planned on coming home around 8 and watch the game DVR’d, but apparently I stayed out quite late, judging from my texts….these kind of days are terrible….
I'm kind of a dick.
I remember them well. Some days I would try to find out exactly what I did the night before, and other days (when I was fairly sure I didn’t do anything arrest-worthy) I’d spare myself the details.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
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Yeah, normally I wouldn’t worry. I’m typically a fun drinker, but the cuts on my hands worry me. Hopefully they’re from a game of darts gone horribly wrong, and not from someone’s teeth.
I'm kind of a dick.
And there was an opened package of cream cheese sitting out on my kitchen table. The mystery deepens…..
I'm kind of a dick.
I hope you didn’t just dig into the cream cheese. Hopefully you have bagels in your house.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully you have bagels in your house
I do not. I did, however, just find an empty bag of beef jerky in my trash that I don’t remember purchasing.
I'm kind of a dick.
Beef jerky and cream cheese. Fascinating.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
That sounds awful.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
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I remember one time a friend and I went to a nearby bar, split three pitchers of beer, then smoked a joint while walking home. All we had for munchies were Saltines and marshmallows.
My friend somehow morphed into Bob Uecker, if you take my meaning.
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Aww man – beef jerky and cream cheese is a GREAT combination. It’s all the meat of bacon with the sweet creamy cheese, but with an extra dash of salty and chewy so it’s more like lox. Genius. I am so stopping at Wawa tonight after the bar.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 4, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I get a link fail on the In The Room article about Emery. A Google search leads to some gay man’s blog where the guy is literally crushing on Brad Richards. Weird.
What are the LG games that Kovar will not be going to?
Good luck and get well soon to Freddy Meyer.
And Geoff, I’ve enjoyed your Fly-by headlines this week, especially after everyone dogpiled on you last week, or so it seemed. But you did fail to point out that the Flyers now lead the league in consecutive regular season games played without a shutout.
LG Games are one of four preparation tournaments leading to the World Championships later in the spring. The four pre tournaments as a whole are called Euro Hockey Tour. Only Russia, Finland, Sweden and Czech play on EHT. So EHT basically exists for these countries to try different players on the national team and the players who impress the most make the cut to the World Championships rosters.
Thanks Teemu
How should we across the big pond look at Kovar’s status as reservist? Is he not good enough to be in the tournament?, is he needed too much by his current team and can’t be spared?, or some other reason, in your opinion?
I think Kovář simply didn’t make the cut as there were two goalies ahead of him with more impressive seasons. Alexander Salák and Jakub Štěpánek are the goalies who made the Czech roster, neither one plays in the Czech league. Salák plays in Sweden, Štěpánek in Russia. Impressive seasons in Elitserien or KHL are probably considered a bit more impressive than excelling in the Czech league, so that could play a role in the selections, too.
From a Flyers prospect standpoint, I think worth noting is that only Lehtivuori has managed to appear on Euro Hockey Tour in the recent years. No one else has made the cut.
It’s one way to measure talent as only the best Russian, Finnish, Swedish and Czech players in Europe get the call on EHT.
Hey Teemu, I haven’t heard much about Bertilsson lately. I vaguely remember him being scratched recently?
Former third-round pick, kinda disappointing, no?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, he was officially a healthy scratch for several games in a row, most of January, until last game that he missed due to illness.
I personally wonder if the shoulder he hurt at the WJC training camp still bothered/bothers him and that played a role in benching him. Otherwise I’d find it pretty surprising that they’d just sit him like that ‘cause he wasn’t playing that bad. Knowing his injury history I think a row of “healthy” scratchings sounds a little suspect as well.
His constant injuries are definitely disappointing. I’m not questioning his talent, but it’s hard to even get a read on his talent, not to mention development, when he’s hurt all the time.
That’s sad. Anybody start the “Made of Glass” joke yet?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s the link to the ASF article.
And thank you for the compliments on the headlines. It’s not easy to come up with them at 10:30.
As far as the shutout? I didn’t know that. So good piece of information.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
haha, probably true. That’s largely why I quoted him. Which I don’t often do.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
They can be either. That was no help. My buddy is the CFO of a local company that has a box and when I go it is all open everything, food and beer. My brother in law has four seats in a box not specifically owed by one company and everything is cash.
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The latter is what I think I am in.
Thanks M.
Brauhaus Schmitz it is before tomorrow’s game.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
I know Mr Bo very well but life is too short to drink cheap beer!!
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
Natty Bo is still very popular down here in MD, mostly because it used to be made in Baltimore… I’ve never had it though, I’m rather picky about beer.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Whenever we go visit my college roommate (in Delaware), we pick up a case – haha, two cases – of Natty Bo.
In fact, when we were in college, his parents used to come from Maryland with a case of Natty Bo for us, and I would buy his dad a case of Lionshead (he liked it.)
Good times. Trading dirt cheap beer that is a guilty pleasure unavailable to us.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Brauhaus is never a bad call. Say hi to Kelly and Doug for me.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 4, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve never been there, since I moved away from the Philly area before I was old enough to drink. Any good?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Great selection of beers, some great ones on tap. Primarily German on tap.
Food is really good as well if German food is your thing.
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First thing this morning, I wanted so badly to comment that we wouldn’t argue about anything today because commenting was temporarily unavailable. But I couldn’t do it because commenting was temporarily unavailable. Then commenting was restored and all hell broke loose. So there you have it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
oooh, Maybe Monday?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Good Morning everyone
the topic today:
inter arma enim silent leges
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 4, 2011 12:38 PM EST reply actions
OT: DiPietro out 4-6 weeks
Maybe he ought to think twice before fighting:
http://islanders.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=551613
Sarauj, Latvija!
That’s not off-topic!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Done. Take him.
/dials Ray Emery’s agent.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I knew it! He is Mr. Glass.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
A good article on Blair Betts working too hard: [Flyers Goal Scored By…]
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions
Did you read the article? It’s FGSB. Which means its funny.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Berfdaye Kakez
Here’s your freakin’ Google Doc.
Anyone should be able to edit this shit.
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People should add their preference of TastyKakes so that a case could be sent to them (if desired). We have to save the company, don’t we?
I was being facetious, of course.
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Is this/can this be a fanshot?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
OT/Perhaps this makes me a killjoy
But I think Wingbowl is disgusting. There, I said it. It gets worse every year, too.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Wings are delicious – particularly those from Union Jack’s.
Wingbowl is stupid. Beyond stupid.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
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Also pointless. Everyone knows Gretzky already holds that record.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
This year they had porn stars. I’m sorry, but old, shriveled up Ron Jeremy certainly is not raising the “hot” factor.
I saw photos and the chicks weren’t all that, either.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Yeah, I don’t get it.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
It was a reference to the Google translation of a Russian-language interview w/ Bob featured here last week. Bob described Jody Shelley, after a fight, as having a head that was “very anti-hedgehog and drained blue.” Ron Jeremy is aka “The Hedgehog”. It loses something when you have to explain it, I know.
Those Google translations can be pretty amusing and usually one can figure out what they are trying to say, but that one line I never did get.
I went to a stout festival at the one in Manatawny a couple of weeks ago. I had a duck quesadilla that was superb.
I'm kind of a dick.
There are a lot of places named “Union Jack’s” but I don’t think they’re related.
Looking at the website for the one you’re referencing, I can almost guarantee that they’re not related.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
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Really? I thought someone told me they were. I thought he owned the one in Manayunk, Manatawny, and the one in Barto. I may be mistaken….
I'm kind of a dick.
I went a number of years ago and drunks bother me as a rule of thumb. Now it has become a porn celebration and really other then the actual winner I have little interest.
Now that I think about it Justin F. aka Olsen, aka Porn King, would love it.
PS thanks brother for getting me in the shit last night.
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Wings are good. Wing Bowl is not.
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Paging Geoff:
I need someone (starting w/ you) to explain this:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/dregerreport/
What would Emery’s status be regarding waivers? I previously read elsewhere that he would not be subject to waivers but Dreger begs to differ.
Re-entry waivers in order to rejoin the league. Somewhat but not entirely the same as the re-entry waivers to go from the AHL to the NHL. I think this came up a few weeks ago when Nabokov ditched the KHL and came back. There was a good explanation of it then, I’ll see if I can find it…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Well, Nabby was under contract elsewhere and came back. Emery isn’t under contract at all. I understand the part where if it’s a one-way deal he has to clear waivers to be sent down, but if he signs a 2-way deal? Not so sure there.
Yeah, I’m not sure. Nabby had to clear Waivers because of 13.23, which covers a professional or former professional player playing in a non-North American league. I think Emery might just be an Unrestricted Free Agent, able to be signed to a professional contract without needing waivers for his initial assignment, but it looks like a gray area, and I’m not 100% certain.
Bob.
Not sure, but I’d trust TSN on that one.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t believe no one else mentioned that Toronto got a shut-out last night. The Flyers are the only team without one!
Mourning Gagne forever.
Typical day here, eh? Not another 500 commenter, those kill cause you miss the good stuff. Seems you all talked about drunk food consumption, had a goalie debate, discussed who on the team is slumping and therefore needs to be traded (Noodle for today) and some random extras. Oh and October 4th, by the way. It’s 2 days before Danny Boys birthday.
Why can’t we get a shut out? It’s certainly not due to sub-par goaltending, I mean Leightons had a ton (sorry, couldn’t help myself)
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RE: "Costa Rica"
<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblank">www.iltasanomat.fi%2Fnhl%2FCosta%2520Rica%2520-Leino%2520vei%2520Nashvillen%2520puolustuksen%2520kahville%2520%2Fart-1288366896754.html&act=url" >Here is the translated version of the article. Unfortunately not as much hilarity as the Bob article in Russian. Let me know what sense you make of the explanation for the line name:
The chain is named after the local media, as members of the chain lomailivat All-Star during a break in one of Costa Rica.
Ville Leino joined Wyshynski on Puck Daddy Radio today, for anybody who wants to listen.
For some reason, they pronounce his name “Lee-eino.”
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So glad
I missed this today. Flew back in to Philly only to find a text from Geoff asking where I was haha, awesome.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
Commence whistling:
"It’s nice to have Blair’s line because they’re able to play against anybody," coach Peter Laviolette said Friday, referring to fourth-line center Blair Betts. "We usually get Mike Richards out there against whatever (top line) we might be playing. But if you miss it because you’re on the road (and without the last line change), it’s nice to have a line you can put out there and say, ‘Alright, now just go and gnaw around at their ankles a little bit.’"
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 10:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bwahahaha. Well done, Geoff.
“The Ankle Gnawers” is such an ill fitting name that it works.
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I know, right??
BTW, way to be on the site at 5:11 pm.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 4, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Do you mean because there should be no one else on here? Or because I should be at a pub?
I’ve had a very boring day. I read Bleacher Report, Geoff, Bleacher Report.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I’m sorry you had to do that. That’s unacceptable. And I meant because no one else was here.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Well, it was funny so it provided some enjoyment.
Oh yeah, but that’s what I deal with most of my evenings.
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Whenever I read them (which might be once a month) I immediately get pissed off at them, then myself.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, but how else would I know that Michael Ryder COULD be a Flyer after the deadline.
Mourning Gagne forever.
Wow. I mean, a third place team who just lost their #1 Center obviously wants to trade their talent away and start over, but Ryder?! They can do better.
Go for Seguin.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Burke joke?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
What did he say Ryder would cost?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t actually remember. I didn’t read in-depth. I don’t want to go back either.
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Could be the best answer possible. haha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I’m so glad I was asleep for round two hahaha.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
haha asshole
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
There is life out there.
Did you two or anyone for that matter watch the caps / lightning game? Th caps literally embarrassed the lightning. They actually stop skating out of there own zone and made the lightning come at them. I am not even kidding they just playing and stood at their own face off dots in an almost protest of the lightnings trap. It was brilliant.
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I did not, but I’m going to watch the highlights shortly. Hopefully they will catch it.
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If they don’t make note of it they aren’t doing their jobs. They got an early lead and literally green would stop on is own face off dot and stand there waiting for Tampa to fall out of there trap at center ice and pursue the caps into there own defensive end. Then caps would break out only if at least two forecheckers broke the blue line. Bodreau is way smarter then I thought.
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Didn’t notice it at all. Watching Knuble in front of the net on Ovechkin’s second goal was a thing of beauty.
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Shit. If Boudreau did that, I wasn’t giving him enough credit.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I was watching and thought they were jus taking there time at first then it started becoming almost ridiculous.
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Did Boucher adjust?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Tampa kind of got frustrated and became a little undisciplined and opened p there game. It really only worked because caps got an early lead.
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I’d imagine that’s how the Lightning’s system works too though. They need a lead to make it really effective.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
They seem to get it a lot. It’s a working but they do have the talent to open up if they choose
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Certainly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Is that like Lavy’s 0 – 5?
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Feb 5, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
It’s more like a 1-4. They keep one defensemen so far back, he’s almost a sweeper (soccer reference) and stack 4 guys at the line. So while it’s close, they drop a man back in deep coverage rather than stacking them at the line.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, sounded like what Lavy was doing for the first period of the Chicago (I think; it’s late) game
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Feb 5, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
And I was a sweeper, reference noted.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Feb 5, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
No caps weren’t trying to play defensive hockey they just refused to aimlessly rush straight into Tampas neutral zone trap. And stopped ad dared the lightning come get the puck
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Yeah, I was describing Tampa’s system. Hope that wasn’t misunderstood Jersey.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m tired. lol I’ll re-read in the morning and see if it all makes sense then
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Feb 5, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Malkin almost certainly done for the season after tearing both his ACL and his MCL.
As much as we make fun of the guy, this is never something you like to see happen. I think I speak for all of us when I wish him a speedy recovery.
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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Aw crap, that first link is a bad one. Here you go.
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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Wow. I’m guessing the league-wide hype and speculation between now and the 28th will be through the roof. The rumors will be worse than Darryl Boyce’s nose.
That’s exactly what I was worried about for the Flyers.
Lucky for me, it was the Penguins.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
It appears to be his right knee that’s blown out, but it was his left knee that kept him out of the previous games. So, two bum knees now. I’m betting he will be out until Xmas or so.
Steve Mason w/ a SO; Matt Calvert w/ 1 assist, +1. A good morning for you.
haha, Calvert’s assist was gorgeous, too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, good vision on his part. Watching the highlights it seemed Franzen couldn’t do anything right w/ numerous chances. Must have scored ’em all in the last game. Or is that regression to the Geoff?
haha, Franzen? No, he’ll score 5 goals every game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 5, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
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