Phantoms fire VP of Business Operations
We're not going to pretend we know what we're talking about on this front, because if it's Phantoms news and it's not related to hockey ops, we're probably not even in a position to guess.
It does appear to be important news, however, so we're passing it along. According to Tim McManus at the Glens Falls Post-Star, Mike Thompson has been fired as the Vice President of Business Operations for the Adirondack Phantoms.
Owner Rob Brooks told The Post-Star that Chris Porreca has been promoted to the new position of Executive Vice President. Porreca was previously director of corporate sales. The team will also hire a Vice President of Ticket Sales.
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Rob Brooks said that a change was needed because "the business model" was not where it needed to be. More from Rob Brooks and other players in the story as the night goes on.
We'll leave the speculation out for now, because again, it's not like we know what we're talking about here. Just passing along the news. For more, be sure to check in with Tim at the Post-Star.
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Huh. This means…
I have no idea what this means. Moving on.
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I am sure Tim will have better insight, but I have thought the team has not been marketed very aggressively. Everyone has blamed the poor attendance on the start we had at the gate, which is true. But since they hired Paterson, they have been solid – middle of the pack in our division since the holidays. But the marketing of the team is poor at best. Few kid played, player promotions, extending to markets that other teams here have drawn fans – Saratoga, Vermont, etc….. I am sure the Brooks are looking for another 500 per night on average.
Just goes to support my lobbying argument that the Phantoms need to get the heck out of Glen Falls and back to Philadelphia or the Greater Philadelphia area to ensure that they are able to oversee everyday day to day operations and ensure that they are successful and not so suckey.
BTW – Isn’t this Tim McManus the same guy who also is the NFL Philadelphia Eagles Reporter as well ? Or is that another guy with the same exact name ?
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Different guy.
I think it’s best that they’re around here, obviously, but really — they’re not owned by Comcast Spectacor anymore, so to be honest, I couldn’t care less about their business ops. It doesn’t impact the Flyers, who still have complete control over hockey ops.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 9, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for letting me know its a different guy. WOW 5 Goals in 4 minutes and 1 second in Boston Vs Montreal Game tonight on Versus. its now 5-3 Bruins !
I understand what you mean about hockey ops and how id doesnt affect anything but, I think they need control here
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I mean I think that they need to have the team closer to the home base Philadelphia area to control Hockey Operation side of the game.
I would argue that the Phantoms wouldnt suck so much and had all the coach firings and Pat Maroon crap if they were closer to Philadelphia and Paul Holmgren.
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I disagree. It’s not hard for the Philly brass to keep tabs on the Phantoms via the internet, and we have seen Holmgren in Glens Falls for games before. They knew that the team needed help. It took them a while until they fired coach Gilbert, which I think was the first step. However, the time is majority rookies, and you can’t expect that much success with rookies. Now that we have some vets (Leights, Walker, Hamel, Ryan) the team is one of the better ones in the Eastern Conference. It doesn’t matter where the team is located, the Phantom’s roster really wasn’t going to work well without a few missing pieces.
by ryan1 on Feb 9, 2011 8:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
While I respect your opinion, I do disagree. I do not think you can keep tabs on a team via internet and although Holmgren has been to Glen Falls for a few games, Its still not the same as if the team was here under his supervision.
I recall the Main Mariners and the Quebec Aces and the Hershey Bears as our Minor League teams and the teams that was the Closest was the most successful of them all, The Hershey Bears and the Philadelphia Phantoms. The ones that were not successful and didnt win championships were further away.
Sure talent and veteran AHL experience is one element, but what is the ultimate goal of an AHL team ? They always say it on that one AHL Commercial on NHL Network when they were promoting their anniversary? — To mentor, mold and shape the NHL stars of Tomorrow in the AHL Today.
As a Leader, I know, that in order to be effective Leader and Mentor, you need to be in close proximity.
I do respect your opinion, just disagree.
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I understand there are benefits to having the team close – that much is undeniable.
I just cringe whenever you imply that the organization isn’t aware – or fully aware – of what is going on with the Phantoms simply because they are in New York. Any organization is well aware of what is going on with their AHL team, regardless if you’re San Jose (Worchester, MA) or Carolina (Charlotte, NC). If you aren’t keeping tabs, you’re failing to do your job, regardless of how far away the team is.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Geoff, I respect your opinion but let me use this example.
Did you ever have your parents out of town on a few days and you were staying somewhere or did you ever have a position where your Boss was out of town for a while and you were under temporary supervision or under other management?
Or did you Ever notice when a teacher left the classroom to go out into the hallway to talk to another Teacher or Faculty member, that the kids act up until the teacher returns back into the room and all of the sudden everyone acts up and straightens up and calms down?
This is what I feel is happening with the Phantoms with the Management not being present everyday.
I mean its not a coincidence that the second year that the Phantoms are in Glen Falls that they have to tell a High Touted Draft pick who was the team leader in scoring to just “LEAVE” the organization and severe all ties with him. Something like that never EVER happened the entire 13 years they were in Philadelphia.
it is what it is.
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Those examples are scenarios where there is no authority figure.
It’s not like the Flyers don’t have anybody in Glens Falls. I’ll obviously never change your mind, but Paul Holmgren wouldn’t oversee the Phantoms whether they are in Philly or Vancouver, let alone Glens Falls.
Instead, John Paddock is there. And he’s there whether the team is in Philly or Glens Falls. There is constant supervision. So saying that nobody from the Flyers “keeps tabs” on the Phantoms is just inaccurate. Saying it would be better if they are in Philly is fine – I think that difference is so small it’s negligible, let alone that every NHL team could say the same thing – but to say that the Phantoms are kids without a parent or teacher just isn’t true.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 10, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I really feel that the Phantoms can act and put on a front one way when Holmgren is there and act the way that they are “For Real” when Paul is not there.
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@FlyerRob,
I understand how to a Philly fan Glens Falls feels a million miles away. But as someone who covers the league, I can tell you that the idea of the Phantoms being too far away to have success is absurd. The distance between Glens Falls and Philly (5 hours) isn’t considered much by AHL standards.
The Manchester Monarchs are in first place in the Atlantic Division. Their affiliate is Los Angeles. Portland is in second place. Their affiliate is Buffalo. Worcester is in third place. Their affiliate is San Jose.
The Houston Aeros are in first place in the West Division of the Western Conference. Their affiliate is Minnesota. The Milwaukee Admirals are in second place. Their affiliate is Nashville. Lake Erie in third place. Their affiliate is Colorado.
I could go on and on: Rochester-Florida; Oklahoma City-Edmonton; Abbotsford-Calgary; Syracuse-Anaheim; Rochester-Florida; Norfolk-Tampa Bay. Springfield-Columbus.
Even places you might assume are closer are either the same or father. Wilkes-Barre to Pittsburgh is only about 30 miles closer. Binghamton-Ottawa is a similar distance. Hamilton to Montreal is 2 hours farther.
By my unofficial count, there are 15 teams located farther away from their parent club than the Phantoms are to the Flyers. And as I pointed out above, every single one of those teams has a better record. Was it more convenient when they were in the Spectrum? Sure. But the Phantoms are well within the AHL norm.
John Paddock is in charge of the Phantoms. He’s been to more games than not the past two years. Derian Hatcher, Neil Little, Kjell Samuelsson and Jeff Reese all routinely pass through Glens Falls. It’s more of an oddity when someone isn’t here than when they are.
I see where your concern is coming from, but honestly, it’s not a big deal.
— Tim
by Tim McManus on Feb 10, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey Tim,
Thanks for your response and your counterpoint backed by proof.
We can agree to disagree.
I understand that from a business perspective you would want them to be there because you cover them and if they left it would mean that that relationship would end and I admire your passion towards the team and your position.
I have my opinion, thats what it is, just an Opinion. I also have a vested personal Interest. I am one of the 167 people who won the “Name the Philadelphia AHL team” contest just prior to their first Inaugural season in Philadelphia. So even though I am not really the “Founder” of the team, I kinda look at it like they are my “Baby”.
This may sound sick and twisted to others but to me it sounds normal.
Keep up the good work with the breaking news and articles ! Awesome Job !
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I think the Richmod Robins also spent time as a Flyer affiliate (and where The Chief Bobby Taylor played for).
by NickFotiu4HOF on Feb 10, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
I just wish the Phantoms were playing at Boardwalk Hall in AC, close enough to be apart of the “Philly” area, but far enough that they don’t share a parking lot.
by NickFotiu4HOF on Feb 10, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
There really isn’t a negative impact by having the Phantoms up here in the Adirondacks. Obviously, it is ideal to have your farm team close by, but the team was sold. Attendence up here hasn’t been ideal. They’ve been saying they want 4000 a game, and on a given night were getting about 3000. Tough to blame Thompson for it, because its tough to sell a losing team to a small market. That being said, the team for the most part is adored here by the fans that show up night in and night out. These players won’t get front page newspaper coverage in Philly, so it is good to prepare them for the pressures they’ll get should they make the NHL.
I’m sure you guys in Philly would love to have them back, but the plan has been stated over and over again by the Brooks’ that they are moving them to Allentown. Until then, I hope they stay up here as long as they can.
by ryan1 on Feb 9, 2011 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
“Rob Brooks said that a change was needed because “the business model” was not where it needed to be."
…that a change is needed because the Phantoms are not where they need to be.
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Strategy 101 - The Business Model
Since I am fresh off last week’s lecture to unsuspecting undergraduates on basic principles in developing a firm’s strategy, let me give you insight into one of the definitions of a “business model” that I think most on this blog will get:
Revenues – Costs = Profits.
If your firm is profit-challenged, then you have to either (1) lower costs or (2) raise revenues. I suspect, given the low attendance in Glen Falls, that their revenues were in the cellar, or perhaps headed toward Earth’s crust. The VP was given the boot, and the new guy was given these marching orders: raise the attendance, raise the ticket prices, find some other revenue, or some combination of the 3. From everything I’ve read, the previous guy tried the other fix to the business model, lowering costs, and that foray on the cheap apparently did not work.
While this is fun for me to post, and is entirely relevant to this thread, it is not directly relevant to hockey, other than the fact that more fans turn out when a team wins, giving more revenue. But you knew that part already. The firing itself is otherwise likely irrelevant to most BSHers.
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I believe “business model” is a euphemism for “jock straps and clean socks”.
by NickFotiu4HOF on Feb 10, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Business model, smisnus model! This must have been the brains behind the hideous mascot fiasco. Good riddens genius.
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I think you are right....
at least they didn’t fire the coach for that screw up… anyway the phantoms are hilarious… best source of entertainment i know!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Feb 9, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions

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