Choked - NYR Fallout

by Shaker on Mar 6, 2011 3:36 PM EST

OK - to make it clear, I am not ruling out the season, I am not a bandwagon fan, I am a blood Flyer fan since I was 7 watching the Flyers fall in 87 to the Oilers. I have never won a cup, being born in 78, in fact games like today actually affect my mood for the rest of the day. I have missed at most 6 games all year as I have Centre Ice. Yes they are having a great season, but this attitude of oh well, we're good and we'll be ok doesn't fly with me. To come out with such little will and determination sickens me. Not just today, but over the last 2 weeks. I've seen more balls in beer league hockey. As soon as things get tough, they wilt. This is not the Flyer team we know, and I know it isn't the team in that locker room. Ville Leino actually gets quoted as saying something along the lines of - maybe because we are on top, we don't get up for games as much - well better look in the paper, cuz we are about to not only fall out of first, but suddenly they are looking at losing home ice in the first round and falling to 5th! When your captain fights to get you going, and you don't respond, your starting goalie gets pulled, yet you leave Bobrovsky hung out to dry the rest of the way, is disgusting. This game today could have been much worse than 7 zip, and we all know it. Jody Shelley was our best player today. I don't care if Carcillo is sick, even if he had leprosy, he would have more guts than we did today. We should start Betts/Shelley/Carcillo against Edmonton on Tuesday and set the tone immediately. Apologies, but I had to rant.

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I was 7 watching the Flyers fall in 87 to the Oilers. I have never won a cup, being born in 78

Math fail?

I'm kind of a dick.

by Vansteel on Mar 6, 2011 3:38 PM EST reply actions

We lost to the OIlers in ’85 too, maybe he just accidentally used the wrong playoff year. I know I make mistakes when I rant sometimes too.

by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 6, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions

apologies – wrong year.

by Shaker on Mar 6, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions

No apology needed.

We all lived that pain. some of us were older than others and all that means is that the pain is more memorable. I was born in 1971 so I was too darn young for 73-74 and 74-75 and I was old enough for 1980. I was a Teenager for 85 – 87 – and in my early 20’s for 97 and well you know I remember Last year vividly.

Bottom line,

that loss Suck !

Second,

Those Years we lost those Stanley Cup Runs, BLEW !

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by FLYERROB on Mar 7, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions

couldn’t agree with you more. I can tolerate when fate doesn’t smile on you or when you get beat by a superior team, but a lack of work makes my blood boil. This used to be a strength of the team; outworking the opponent, putting them on their heals, etc. Now it just seems they don’t care. Call it the flu, call it regression to the mean, call it what you will. But this isn’t acceptable. They have been beaten by some rather pedestrian teams of late because they are getting outworked- and I don’t care what the stats say. They may have better Corsi numbers- they have the talent to do that, but when I see them not hustle… well, there’s a reason my dog and I made a pull toy out of the Flyers pillow I had.

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by goldomatic on Mar 6, 2011 3:56 PM EST reply actions

But this isn’t acceptable. They have been beaten by some rather pedestrian teams of late because they are getting outworked- and I don’t care what the stats say. They may have better Corsi numbers-

No! We’re winning on paper! 5, 2.86, 7/60 Luck!, Regression! Cosmic Interruption!

Stop watching the games, you’re just wasting your time.

I'm kind of a dick.

by Vansteel on Mar 6, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

I hear that. I hope this game changed some opinions on that.

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by goldomatic on Mar 6, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions

You must be kidding. Seriously, you have to be.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions

On a game to game basis, Corsi has a negative correlation with winning. The idea is in the long run shooting more than the other team is good. I don’t understand why some people (in general) can’t get that.

Also on a game-to-game basis, shot quality is important. The idea again is that in the long run shot quality comes close to evening out (at least at ES).

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by red army line on Mar 7, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions

Correct me if I'm wrong

On a game to game basis, Corsi has a negative correlation with winning.

Because of score effects.

Also on a game-to-game basis, shot quality is important.

Because when teams lose, they make mistakes. Those mistakes lead to high-quality opportunities against.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions

That’s my understanding.

by red army line on Mar 7, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions

Cool.

Just so people don’t take your statement as “see, Corsi is wrong! And shot quality exists!”

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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions

Really?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions

http://trackingthenyrangers.blogspot.com/2011/03/scoring-chances-for-game-68-vs.html

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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 8, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions

Can I have a hug? Thanks.
You summed up my feelings exactly, you could feel the need for Carcillo’s energy. Whose call was it to put Shelly in? Shelly doesn’t exactly have energy, and the Flyers energy meter was slowly going to empty in the past few games. Carcillo will certainly be missed once he is gone, even if for his energy alone. I would say starting/energy line should be Powe Carcillo and the Steeg man, not Shelly.

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by Cillo stache on Mar 6, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions

I know your blind love for Carcillo clouds your judgement, but he’s been out with the same Flu that hammered Richards, Carter and apparently Lavvy.

by Gizmoitus on Mar 7, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions

I feel your pain. I have probably missed 2 or 3 whole games all season. Their play is killing me right now. I work in the MH field and the worst part is, i’ve been on call all week, so i can’t do anything, hell i can’t even drink. I haven’t had a call during the games either so i have to endure it. Many times during the week i felt like paging myself for mental help. I have to say though Lavi flipping out on the bench at least makes me feel like he cares and like he’s gonna straighten out the players. I can’t tell you how many times at the beginning of last year, and the prior years that I wished Stevens would show one-tenth of the emotion Lavi does.

by SkookFlyerfan on Mar 6, 2011 5:10 PM EST reply actions

Words cant Describe how PISSED I AM so ..

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by FLYERROB on Mar 6, 2011 9:06 PM EST reply actions

this more or less sums it up

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by goldomatic on Mar 6, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions

I’ve slept on it, and am not so angry anymore. It’s not necessarily that theyost to the Rangers, it’s HOW they lost. And that was with a whimper. That’s not our Flyers. Obviously, we will be ok. I really want to see Carcillo in for Zherdev and Boynton in for OD (He needs rest) tomorrow.

by Shaker on Mar 7, 2011 12:06 PM EST reply actions

Putting in Zherdev is probably the one right move that’s been made recently. If you think that anything would have been different in this last series of games had Carcillo played on the Richards/Versteeg line instead of Zherdev, I’m not sure what I could say for you.

I do agree that OD needs some rest, and we need to give Boynton some time so we’ll know that he’s ready to play.

by Gizmoitus on Mar 7, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions