Monday Morning Fly By: Let's Talk About Slump
by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- You don't want to click these links. Leave yesterday in the past: [BSH] [Philly Sports Daily] [CSNPhilly] [Frequent Flyers] [Flyers Faithful] [Forsythe and the Flyers] [delcotimes.com] [Inquirer] [Daily News]
- Some numbers from the Flyers last 6 games show their best players are performing at levels only seen on Philly penalty kills: [SB Nation Philly]
- Hey, Anthony SanFilippo writes about the same thing I did in the link above: The Flyers scoring line is playing rather terribly: [delcotimes.com]
- An interesting take on the Flyers' current slump: [Flyers Faithful]
- And here's someone who actually says the Flyers losing is a good thing. Fight on, brave soul: [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- If you're looking for something positive, relive Kimmo Timonen's 100th NHL goal. He deserves the praise: [Philly Sports Daily]
- The Phantoms beat Albany yesterday, 4-3, behind two goals each from Denis Hamel and Ben Holmstrom. Recap: [PostStar.com] Post Game: [PostStar.com] In-Game: [PostStar.com]
- They lost to Albany on Saturday, 5-2: In-Game: [PostStar.com]
- Wondering what is next for Glens Falls and their AHL hopes after the Phantoms: [PostStar.com]
- Marc-Andre Bourdon (on loan to the ECHL for rehab) had two assists, including on the OT winner, while finishing plus-2 on Friday: [PSPhantoms]
- Jakub Kovar stopped all 21 shots in Game 2 to tie the series at 1 game apiece on Friday: [euroflyers]
- Joacim Eriksson stopped 17 of 20 shots on loan to Juniors yesterday in a 4-3 win: [euroflyers]
- This after stopping 28 of 32 for his Juniors team in a 4-3 loss on Friday: [euroflyers]
- Eriksson finished the SEL regular season with a 0.907 sv%, 2.56 gaa, and 1 shutout in 17 games. Yes, the most troublesome number there is "17": [euroflyers]
- Simon Bertilsson fished his regular season with 2 assists and a plus-4 in 36 games: [euroflyers]
- Added due to recent relevance: Kris Versteeg and Mike Richards are developing chemistry. [Philly Sports Daily]
- A list of signings around the NHL, with Bernie Parent and Sergei Bobrovsky making appearances in the area: [HockeyBuzz.com]
- A good look inside the NHL suspension process, as seen through during the Chris Simon suspensions: [Puck Daddy]
- Lastly, a great look at how fans ignore evidence in favor of their beliefs:
"Armed with the evidence of possession metrics, a person finds a deeper understanding of the game of hockey which leads to a deeper understanding of players, teams, and seasons. By rejecting the evidence before them, Avalanche fans have prevented themselves from gaining the ultimate insight into their team."
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Nowhere to go but up from here! (I hope…)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Mar 7, 2011 6:30 AM EST reply actions
Some absolutely revolting slumpbusting better happen tonight.
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I believe Ben meant this...
Baseball players believe that by having sex with an unattractive female, they can end their slump. Therfore a slump buster is the unattractive female that they have sex with, in hopes of busting their slump.
The Flyers are the deepest team in the NHL, the Phillies have four aces. Man is it great to be a Philly sports fan right now.
or atleast tomorrow night ;-). Haha, seriously though, I sincerely hope they find a way to work through this. My concern is that these things don’t usually turn around on a dime. The Caps seem to have worked their way out of their slump, but it took quite a few games to turn the ship around. In Latvia, instead of crossing fingers for luck, people hold their thumbs, so everyone, please hold your thumbs for the Flyers!
Sarauj, Latvija!
Well, today is the day for them to refocus, so they better at least bust their slump mentality tonight.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
After the season they have had wouldn’t it be crazy if we end up in the 5th seed? They might be better in a position of adversity if it doesn’t just brak them all together. And I really like how Shelley is being a catalyst in the locker room because intimidation can be a motivator for your own team as well.
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by MJDII on Mar 7, 2011 8:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Speaking of Shelley, 610am this morning played an interview with Shelley done before the Rangers game. Shelley begins to answer why the Flyers are slumping and then backtracks, like he said too much. Essentially he said there’s something going around the locker room (not the flu) and that there are a couple of guys who need to come back into the fold and play all out. So can we guess who those guys are?
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by Nico97 on Mar 7, 2011 8:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have vague suspicions but I don’t necessarily want to needlessly point fingers. Once the flu bug has run it’s course, I would hope that the players who are guilty of not playing at full speed get benched and realize that Lavy won’t tolerate it. Hopefully the guilty parties will be straightened out before that, but if it comes down to it I’d rather see these guys face the same consequences they faced early in the season.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Copper & Blue
Thanks for the link, that was the perfect read to get me ready for a day of defending stats analysis in several meetings. So excellent.
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Is this the right room for an argument?
haha, thank you for commenting on it.
I figured it would be appropriate seeing as how everybody will say the Flyers suck today.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, Buffalo game Meszaros grading was a 2.5/5 for me. And sorry I didn’t get back to you about open ice, we ended up going, but 30 minutes late…also, I was drunk.
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Asshole
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
This is why i told you to meet up with us before hand. Honestly I had every intention of letting you know, then I got drunk, and forgot.
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Is this the right room for an argument?
Don’t even try to push it off on me. You had 6 hours from the end of the game to when the pick up game started.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I said we got there 30 minutes late, we literally decided to go at around 9pm. By the time 9pm rolled around I was happy I remembered my wallet when I left Devi’s Alley because I was fairly intoxicated. I knew I was going to be drinking, and that plans might get screwed up because I’m not as good with plans when I’m intoxicated. I apologized.
Also, when 8 hit, and no decision was made to go, I assumed we weren’t going and had a couple mixed drinks. I refuse to feel any worse about it because I never had to tell you I played. I owned up and apologized. Accept it or don’t.
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You two are like an old married couple sometimes. :-p
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I don’t care that you didn’t tell me. I care that you said “This is why I told you to meet up with us before hand.”
Like it’s my fault I didn’t go get trashed with you prior to playing a pick up game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t trying to blame you, I was just saying I knew I’d be drinking and I could screw up the plan, so I was trying to plan around that.
Don’t try to read blame in to my statements…I wasn’t blaming you. Don’t you always give me shit for making assumptions about your statements? Well you are doing the same thing here.
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God. We sound like women.
Fuck you. Alcoholic. yada yada yada.
Hug it out.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
That’s kind of why I felt like keeping it going. Plus my day is going to suck…I’m in the lull before the shit storm.
Also, if you want a laugh, go look at the pictures from the BSH Open Ice game, there’s some good’uns of Travis.
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I already did. Travis’ are priceless.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
FanShot
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome. Those make me very jealous that I never learned to play as a kid and don’t have any equipment. It looks like so much fun! The most I ever did was street/roller hockey in the cul de sac in front of my house. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Those are great pics! I really need to make it to one of these games, but I don’t skate, so I can be the photographer with Jen!
This was my fiancee’s first game…so no excuses. For the most part everyone is out there to get everyone else involved. As you can probably tell by my awesome D in the one picture, most of the people give the newer players more time with the puck.
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You mean I didn’t dazzle my way through the neutral zone to get off a shot on goal?
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not going to stop you from telling stories from the game any way you want to.
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Like my rocket shot from the slot that beat the sprawling goalie?
Instead of the truth which is my weak ass dribbler which beat a guy who couldn’t see I even had the puck because of the 4 people in front of him?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if you ever make a trip to a Flyer’s game, we’ll make sure to schedule another open ice as well. We’ll make sure Geoff is there so you guys can finally flirt face to face.
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Hahaha. That’d be awesome! But I never played, I don’t have the equipment. With the exception of skates, those I have. But that’s about it, haha.
And again, that was my fiance’s 1st game, she had skated like 5 times before that, 2 times with a stick and puck…so no excuses.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
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I would love to play… though I would probably keep Carter’ing and Hartnell’ing throughtout the game, haha. As for the equipment, you would need some junior equipment for me probably… I’m… well… not big. Haha. Also, I’ve decided to disregard your comment about Geoff… oh wait… dammit.
Are you trying to call my fiancee big…dude, first Nodl, and now this, not cool Kat, not cool at all.
But in all seriousness, there is some extra juniors equipment laying around. I have a bunch of stuff from when I was a 15 year old stick of a hockey player.
And everyone Carter’s, mine was particularly embarrassing.
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Oh God! NO! That was not what I meant.
Okay, this seems settled. If I come, I will play. Now I just need to come. That’s a tad more complicated. Any suggestions?
What did I say about word choice?!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
If you keep it up with these comments, I’m sure Geoff or Hintzy will offer to pay for your airfare.
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hahahaha again.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
She had to try that one.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Bitch.
Hug it out, Bitch.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
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Sorry. You’re right.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
As a collective fanbase in the city, of all the sports teams, we’ve always been very unhappy when the team loses because of lack of effort. We know they don’t suck in terms of having no talent and having no chance to make a run this year. It’s merely that they suck today, where suck in that context means that they aren’t playing with the effort and determination that the city expects from them. Playing without effort and without heart is a grave offense to this fanbase, and that’s the way it’s always been.
Personally, I believe they are going to turn the ship around, get their act together, and start pushing forward again. I just reserve the right to be concerned about whether they’re going to flip the switch in time to be ready, or if it will be too late when they come around.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m with you until you get past “concerned about”.
Playing poorly for 6 straight games shouldn’t make you worry that the first 59 games were a mirage. And that’s essentially what people are doing when they start worrying about whether the Flyers will turn it around in time. They have 18 games – or three times as long as the current fear-inducing skid – to revert back to their form from a great 59 games.
Why are people letting a bad 6 games overwhelm 72% of the season?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I should have been more detailed.
I think they’ll be fine as far as reverting to where they were during the first 59 games. But after they return to that level, which I’m confident will happen, then will they have time left to work on improving the things that were their achilles heel during those first 59 games, like the powerplay? That’s what I’m not sure about. They don’t need to just return to where they were a few weeks ago, they need to get back to that point and then start tweaking the things they need to work on.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive, though. It’s not like the Flyers won’t work on problem areas until they start winning again.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
The point is that the finish line for being “ready” 17 games from now isn’t just getting back to where they were a few weeks ago, the finish line is above that.
I believe the stats, I’m not saying they won’t turn it around, but the destination is to be a little better than they were then, not to just get back to being the same.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
That are 18 games away…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
17, actually.
Perhaps it would be better to look at it in the context of time, rather than by the number of games. Some would argue that we’ve been developing bad habits since the Panthers loss before Christmas, 11 weeks ago. So they have 5 weeks to retrain themselves to undo those 11 weeks of bad habits.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno, I see a lot of W’s in January when I look at the schedule on my corkboard. Some were against bottom teams that we should (and did) steamroll, but some were also against good competition, and we won those too. From what I can remember, the Feb 10th lazy win over Carolina was when I started to worry that we were letting off the gas. But then, I don’t see nearly as many games as you guys do, so I certainly defer to your opinions.
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I guess it’s my general beliefs about bad habits, not just in sports but all around. I don’t think bad habits develop overnight, and somebody just goes “You know what, I’m tired I’m only going to skate 50% tomorrow”. I think you start pressing the pedal a little less and a little less over time, and you don’t necessarily realize you’re doing it until it comes back to bite you. That’s just my opinion, anyway.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, which is why I’m not worried at all.
If their problems are them coasting (surprise, surprise, it’s Briere, Leino, and Hartnell), all they have to do is accelerate.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
But if you’ve been trending downward for 3 months, and you started at 100% and let’s say you reach a point where you’re at 50%. If tomorrow you decide you’re going to accelerate again, you push yourself to where you internally think you’re at 100% again; but to an outside observer you might only be at 85% of where you were 3 months ago. It might take a few games to get back to your ‘real’ full speed.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Then we just go right back to our difference of opinion on how long they’ve been playing poorly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Which is fine. We’re allowed to disagree, even way back at the beginning, I said I was only concerned, not that I was freaking out.
If yesterday was really rock bottom and the acceleration begins today, everything should be okay. Last year we thought they had hit rock bottom several times before they actually did; so once we know if yesterday was the true low we’ll know better how long the turnaround will take. We just have to know for certain if that was really rock bottom, and we won’t know that til tomorrow.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Which is why I’m not really arguing with you. haha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I agree…The Flyers lost to 3 of the worst teams in the league and another who are struggling to stay in the playoff hunt. Their next game is against the lowest points team in the NHL. I’m curious whether these losses exposed weaknesses the Flyers have and whether these weaknesses will crop up during the playoffs. Can they also be a 20% powerplay team within one month? Given the caliber of teams they lost to, these are legitimate questions to ask. I sure hope it’s the flu.
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by Nico97 on Mar 7, 2011 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Buffalo is not “one of the worst teams in the league.”
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Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
Not even close.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
They struggled early in the season, but have since dug themselves out of the basement.
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Sounds familiar.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
For what it’s worth, it’s not just 6 bad games. One could argue they’ve been slowly trending in this direction for longer than 6 games. The Flyers are clearly a better team than what we’ve seen recently, but a slump is a slump and it usually takes a combination of time and hard work to get out of it.
Sarauj, Latvija!
by LVHokejs on Mar 7, 2011 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They were 3-1-0 in the four games prior to these 6.
They were 6-2-0 in the eight games prior to these 6.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, they had a winning record in that stretch, but in my view, even though they were winning, they simply looked like things were not exactly right. That’s just my gut feeling and nothing more. I’m not a stats guy as much as I enjoy reading everything about stats on BSH.
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by LVHokejs on Mar 7, 2011 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
When presented with all the evidence, but still saying “I disagree”, then there is nothing that will change your mind.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, lawyers are trained to deal in facts, but when I was a 2nd year law clerk, I received some good advice from a partner in the firm where I was working. After I spent a long time writing a memo full of great case law supporting our position and thinking we couldn’t lose the case, he dismissed it saying something to the effect of, juries could care less about the law, they go with what they feel is right.
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by LVHokejs on Mar 7, 2011 10:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree entirely.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t give the jury the evidence that proves them wrong though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I’m with you 100%. At the end of the day, let’s hope this is nothing more than a blip on tbe radar and we get back to winning soon.
Sarauj, Latvija!
by LVHokejs on Mar 7, 2011 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In the future, you might as well just link the NPR article from the Copper and Blue piece:
New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change their minds when presented with the facts — and often become even more attached to their beliefs.
Yes, and this is why jury consultants are paid big bucks to assemble juries that will vote a certain way (or atleast there is a strong likelihood they will do so). They know, based on factors such as age, race, ethnicity, socioeconomic background, etc. what are hot button issues for people and therefore, even when faced with the law or facts, they will vote with their heart on an issue.
Sarauj, Latvija!
Which is a great segue into politics.
People bitch that all politicians lie, but… they’re kinda only responding to the will of the people.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Truth.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
And ultimately, most people are reactionary overgrown children who whine when their needs aren’t immediately met. Like a nation filled with WIP callers.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
haha, exactly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
A glamorous nation full of people who all say “Trade Ryan Howard for Mark Texiera.”
A wond’rous nation full of people who all say “I got Cup fever!” after a 6-1 victory over the Islanders in October.
A dream-tastic nation full of people who expect Andy Reid to actually get fired.
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Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
I dream of a time when people don’t seek to trade the #1 prospect in all of baseball after an 0-15 streak.
I dream of a time when people don’t want to sign a goalie for two years after a good half-season, well above his ability.
I dream of a time when people don’t wish that their professional athletes suffer for their contentment.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
True, but gotta give Zona some props. He’s been railing against this for awhile now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
As I’m sure you knew, I fall squarely in the “not worried about it” camp. But I’ll argue the other side, just for the sake of giving you a good stat-based foil.
Remember this article about momentum? The first 50 games of the season have about as much predictive value for the playoffs as the last 20. If the playoffs started today, the 11-9 record from our last 20 would have more predictive value than the 33-17 record from our first 50.
The playoffs don’t start today, of course, and your stance is premised on the belief that the Flyers will turn things around down the stretch. There is indeed evidence to suggest that might happen, but it hasn’t happened yet. Right now the 20-game stretch with the most predictive value is the 20-game stretch that has just concluded, which hasn’t left anyone thrilled.
Sorry to go on a tangent, but I’ve always hated the phrase “if the playoffs started today.” They don’t start today. Lots can happen between now and then. So there’s no point talking about it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Agreed. It actually annoys me when people even talk about the playoff match-ups… in February/March or even December. To me it’s absolutely pointless and not worth any discussion.
What if it’s a detailed look at which matchups would be most beneficial, so you know what to root for down the stretch?
Yeah, but you’re talking about the team’s last 30 games. Not a 6-game stretch in the middle of that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
That second chart in the article shows that the last 20 games the Flyers have played (games 45-65) have more predictive value than any other 20-game stretch they’ve played this year.
So that’s one stat for the sky-is-falling crew to latch on to, per the Copper and Blue article.
So 11-8-1 is evidence of the sky falling?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
No. But this isn’t a “Great v. Shit” debate.
It’s a “Shit v. Relax” debate.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Also, from games 36 through 62 in Close games:
53% Shot, 50.8% Fenwick, 49.8% Corsi, 9% shooting, 0.927 sv%
Games 42 through 62 in Close games:
51.4% Shot, 51.5% Fenwick, 50.4% Corsi, 7.1% shooting, 0.929 sv%
What do you take out of that? Average team? Slightly above average? Lucky?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
It’s about winzzzzzz, fool.
Hawerchuk wasn’t talking about the predictive power of a 20-game Corsi moving average. He was talking about the winz.
/getting a little tired of defending a side I don’t really believe
What has a high correlation with wins?
Oh, last year, the Flyers went 8-9-3 in games 62-82.
How’d that work.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. Really, you’re using a single one-off data point to refute a trend observed over a large data sample?
For shame.
I’m countering the “sky is falling” people. Sorry if I got caught up in it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I figured it would be appropriate seeing as how everybody will say the Flyers suck today.
Well it’s kind of hard to argue the opposite after getting pasted by the Rags.
But as a future lawyer feel free to take up their defense, counselor.
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Using one game to say the Flyers suck? That’s an easy case to take.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
But it’s not one game. You and I both know that. Yesterday was a culmination of some pretty dreadful hockey the last week or so.
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Again, 6 games? I will have no problem taking the case.
The problem comes from a biased jury. Who won’t believe science.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Who needs science when you can have faith?
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maybe our power play would be better if we had players with these numbers all out on the ice at the same time 4 8 15 16 23 42
Nodl!
Who has the second highest PP Pts/60 at 3.66? Yup, Andreas Nodl. (Small Samples be damned)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Careful with your word choice.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Um… How can that be seen as threatening?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Threatening:
Careful with your word choice. Or I will kill you.
Warning:
Careful with your word choice. Or Don will kill you.
Ah. I meant:
Careful with your word choice or hintzy will make a sex joke.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
You’re only trying to deflect attention to me because you were already thinking about a sex joke. You don’t fool me, Detweiler!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
The battle of flirts has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right… and who is dead.
…I’m sure that makes sense somehow.
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Sorry, had to make it small because we’re so far indented…
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by hintzy64 on Mar 7, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whoa, why am I the… nevermind.
I do over think things. Good job.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I like the FF and FGSB articles on the slump. I agree, when the team can get their heads back in the right place and snap out of this, they’re going to be all the stronger for it. If this slump had happened earlier in the season, they’d forget about it by the time the playoffs started. If it happened later, there’d be the risk of not getting things back on track in time for the playoffs. If this was going to happen, now is the best possible time for it. And, as bad as it sounds, it needed to happen. This team plays at their best when they have a chip on their shoulder. They need to be mad. That’s when they’re capable of tearing the shit out of everyone who dares to take the ice against them. So as much as this sucks (and it certainly does suck), I think we’ll be okay.
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Just because I don’t want to include this tomorrow, Ryan Lambert wrote this in Puck Daddy’s “What we learned” post:
It won’t be this bad for the rest of the season, but Philly likely won’t be as good as they were for the first five months either.
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He’s right.
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I agree. And yet I got shouted down as a Negative Nancy for saying the Flyers weren’t nearly as good as people thought.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I know how you feel. I said it before the season and again mid season…people react to what they see in front of them. When they are playing well they are great, when they are playing poorly, they are the Oilers.
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Exactly. It’s infuriating.
Which is why people need to read The Copper & Blue article.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
For the Record I called you a negative nancy for saying Sestito wouldn’t amount to anything of value.
I am talking way earlier than that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe it was Debbie Downer. I lose track as well.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Have we used Detracting Detweiler yet?
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No, actually. But that doesn’t include a girls name, so people aren’t apt to use it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
burn.
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I can’t believe I agree with Ryan Lambert.
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do you think it would have made more sense to take what was spent on versteeg and pursue Vokoun? versteeg is at this point nearing unnecessary depth at this point.
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I don’t. At the beginning of the season and into last season, I’d have agreed with you. But when the team decided Meszaros’ was a better bet, Vokoun wouldn’t have been worth it.
And he wouldn’t have helped win any of the last 6 games.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I was more thinking with an eye towards the playoffs. Don’t get me wrong, Bob can be flat out nasty at times, but it would be nice to know you have a guy like Vokoun there too. I guess it really just comes down to not being a big Versteeg guy.
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by John Merrigan on Mar 7, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I’m a huge Vokoun fan. I really am. And while he’s an upgrade on Bob and Boucher for this year, I don’t think he’s necessary.
If it was Versteeg + Zherdev + 2012 3rd, I’d have made the trade. But I think Vokoun would have cost a lot more than that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
you really didn’t hear much about Vokoun at the deadline. Not sure what Tallon would be asking for him. Surprised he wasn’t traded though, he was arguably their most valuable commodity.
Speaking of Zherdev, I was in the minority that wanted the Rangers to claim him.
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by John Merrigan on Mar 7, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
OD
I know this was mentioned in the “after game” post yesterday, but I really think OD needs to be benched for a few games. I’ve noticed a BUNCH of times in the last 3 or 4 games that he just doesn’t look good. Bad passes, bad defense, not skating hard. I don’t know if he is just tired or if it is something else. Let’s give Boynton a look and see what he has. With how OD is playing, there is no way Boynton could be any worse.
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It’s been said a lot, but not yet today, so feel free.
And I’d bet that O`Donnell is still hurt, which is infuriating since they have Boynton.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
And DSOD, who has an absurd GFA in games in their current whites.
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GFA?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Goals For Average. Like GAA, only not.
Unadvanced stats, Geoff. Learn ’em.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Ah. That makes sense.
Make a Glossary and I’ll learn em.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I use stats so rarely (they’re not kind to my favorites) that I think I’ll pass.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 7, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I need a breathalyser on my computer, in addition to the one needed on my phone.
Sorry if any of my rants last night were rude. Had been at the bar with my buddy that’s a Devils fan. He was telling me why the Rangers have a better chance of going further in the playoffs than the Flyers because they have so many more shutouts than us. That was his only point. So, mixing alcohol, and an infuriating conversation with a Devils fan after we lose 7-0, I was in a very foul mood.
I'm kind of a dick.
haha, I know I wasn’t offended. Hope me calling you an “angry drunk” wasn’t taken personally.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe I’ve just built up a tolerance, but you didn’t seem much worse than usual. At least relative to the other times you’ve been drunk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 7, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
flyers just look drained… lack of D depth is rearing it’s ugly head. the offense needs again to simplify, they are way too obvious in their attack, like me using the same moves on EA sports hockey. they force the puck way too much, if the lane isn’t open don’t pass… and please for the love of pete, #28 shoot the darn puck. hartnell needs to stop turning over the puck in our defensive zone. plenty of time to get out of the funk, but it isn’t a good sign to read about our flyers criticizing lavy’s PP line switches. bad news if the players have stopped buying into the system. creates indecision and losing streaks… heartburn and sleepless nights…
Sitting in the press box while a hobbled 6th d-man plays.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
If Briere keeps taking so many stupid penalties I’m gonna punch him in the dick. Hard.
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Oh, in all the anger and frustration yesterday, I forgot one very amusing thing. When Hartnell Hartnell’d and Fedotenko got called for holding on it. I thought that was pretty funny. It wasn’t a dive, as Tortorella and the commentators claimed, it’s just Hartnell. But then Tortorella gave the refs an earful and got the bs slashing call on Richards and the missed delay of game call, and the amusement died off pretty fast after that….
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that was the real turning point of the game, the pp, then richie’s slash and the missed DOG… and we had to endure the bs and respond with not response
Geoff the voice of reason??
Geoff I am a bit surprised here but I totally agree with you. This little slump is nothing to overly worry about. I don’t want to the Flyers to lose but this shows the value in building a big lead with strong play in beginning. You have some games to give away here when you start to slip which will happen over the course of a 82 game season.
The timing of this slump is pretty good as well. There a 17 games left even if takes 10 games to get the train rolling at full speed again there still 7 games to build up positive momentum for the playoffs. I would be really concerned if today was April 4th and not March 4th but we have plenty of time. I don’t particularly feel well about the President’s Trophy jinx either I rather have VAN earn that honor.
Emperor Palpatine once said “All too easy” and we all know what happened to him, a little adversity is good thing.
This. Is. Shocking.
Mark it down as a sign of the apocalypse.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
To be a dick…..
I think we have agree more times in 2011 than Andreas Nodl has scored goals at the very least we are tied.
To be more of a dick, you agree on very predictable things, and would argue against the same facts Geoff is using to present now that the Flyers aren’t this bad if he was saying they aren’t that good during a hypothetical hot streak…just saying.
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Is this the right room for an argument?
I’m not mad, I’m just calling a spade a spade. You agree with Geoff on very obvious things.
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Is this the right room for an argument?
I am pretty sure not everyone here is in agreement over the slump and plenty of people are more concerned or why the hell does Geoff bother stating the obvious. Once again just because you think it is right doesn’t mean it is obvious.
You misunderstand…I mean that the subjects that you agree with him on are predictable. Like if Geoff states something, it’s obvious whether or not you are going to agree with it or not just based on the subject or point he is making. Not that the point his is making is necessarily obvious, it’s just your reaction is predictable based on what Geoff is saying.
Geoff says hot Flyers are getting lucky, hmm I think Chris will disagree. Geoff says slumping Flyers are actually suffering from unsustainably low save and shooting %’s, hmm, Chris will probably agree with him. Despite Geoff using the same data to back up bother statements, but you will come to two distinctly different opinions based on what you want to believe. Which gets back to to the Fly By link.
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by DLJr on Mar 7, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I never commented on the statistical approach Geoff was taking. I don’t need ESS% to tell me this lineup should be scoring more goals. When they were scoring more goals for the 1st 60 games. I was just commenting on the bottom line that the slump is nothing to worry about and regardless of method used I agreed.
And if there was a 4 game hot steak where the team scored 6 goals a game I don’t there would have been a lot of arguments from me saying they could maintain that pace for the rest of the season.
I love that you guys can even turn an agreement into an argument. It’s amazing.
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It is second time this season all revolving around Nodl. How a fourth line winger can generate so much controversy is beyond me? But 90% of what we do around here is arguing over 4th liners, 7th D-Man and backup goaltenders.
This has nothing to do with Nodl. I just felt like being a dick.
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At least when I am being a dick it is somewhat humorous I threw cheap shot at “No Goal” Nodl and you fired back with some BS attacking me.
Hartnell falls a lot.
Carter shots high and wide.
Briere takes bad penalties.
Pronger throws elbows.
And…
Nodl doesn’t score unless the MLB baseball playoffs are on.
“No Goal” Nodl should be a running joke around here like all the others. I am trying to establish a trend.
I think you missed the whole point of this, that’s cool. It’s a lot like the Nodl thing that I called you out about earlier in the season, then you got pissed off for me calling you out for agreeing with me.
Same thing, different day, another missed point. Woosh, bang, boom.
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When you were coming around on Nodl.
Chris, this was a reference to the whole Copper and Blue link. If you don’t get it that’s fine, but I was just referencing an article with a trend on here with you just to be a dick. I found it funny, I think Geoff got it, that’s god enough for me.
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I guess you suck at being a dick, because your target is supposed to be the one who gets it. You have done better in the past. Unfortunately you seem to be slumping along with the Flyers. I hope you are not regressing to the mean.
You act like this didn’t already happen. Multiple times.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Haha seriously…you are captain change around what people say to make them sound foolish on this site.
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Exaggerating is not changing and I never completely fabricated anything anyone stated. I usually just blow a statement completely out of proportion in a sarcastic tone. And I try to avoid pointless hypotheticals.
Does anyone else feel that whatever message the coaching staff may have for the players is falling on deaf ears in the locker room and in practice?
Almost to a point that when Laviolette speaks no body listens?
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
I have the feeling that fans want the coach to scream and yell, but the coach knows that the best way to handle it is to give the guys a day off.
Which he did.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. Fans want to see some action from the coach. Screaming, yelling, pushing the guys in the practice ’till they puke etc. but in the end it can be only counter-productive.
Exactly.
I love how sports fans tend to assume that when their favorite “room full of grown men” is not doing the best they can, said room full of grown men needs to be treated like spoiled, petulant children in order to “turn things around.”
They’re professionals. This is what they signed up for. They’ll come out of it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
So I guess we should see a story about either a team bonding trip, or a drunken brawl in the sports news tomorrow. Lol
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by LegionofDoom on Mar 7, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
haha, I don’t expect either.
I expect stories about how the team isn’t concerned, which is concerning. Because that’s how the media will frame it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Or stories speculating the flu is doing more to the team than they’re letting on?
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Geoff touches on this, but I expect the stories you see more will have little to do with news or the mindset of the team.
You’re right in that the same message in the same tone gets tired (cough Mike Keenan), but Lavy seems aware enough to vary his tactics. We don’t get many stories of him going nuclear, which speaks to the relationship this team has with the press or Lavy’s restraint during non-essential moments. I’d wager on the latter.
I thought everyone was ok with Lavy’s expression of emotions after he punched Leino in the dome.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think we are okay with his emotions, but I think a kick to the nut-sack is what this teams needs right now.
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by LegionofDoom on Mar 7, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think I’ll put up a poll as to who should be on the receiving end of that.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 7, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
That would be an interesting poll. Lol
Not sure who I would pick for that one. I am guessing a lot may go with the Richards since he is the Captain?
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by LegionofDoom on Mar 7, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Poll is too much work, so just respond to this comment with your pick. We’ll tally up a winner and share it in tomorrow’s Fly By.
Don’t forget: any male in the Flyers organization is fair game.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 7, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s some suggestions to get you started:
SO’D
Eric Wellwood
Claude Giroux
Ville Leino
Daniel Briere
Riley Cote
Have at it.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 7, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
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My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
And I disagree.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
nut-sack
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Can we have the poll anyway? We need something to unite us. That might just do the trick.
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Oh, definitely. It’s humorous.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I fail to see what this would achieve. It’s not like they don’t know they are losing games.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Yes, they know they are losing, but sometimes it makes you wonder if some of the players even care that they are losing.
I am sure we would like to think that they do care, but sometimes you just have to wonder.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Mar 7, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Seeing Richards get angry with the media last night shows me that he cares very much. These guys all care or they wouldn’t be in the position that they are in.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
What about Zherdev? Do we think he cares?
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Mar 7, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, I do. He obviously cares enough about his career that he either asked for or was given another shot after being waived. Does that mean he fits the Flyers system? No, it doesn’t.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Do we care if Zherdev cares?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Ooh, that’s existential.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
haha, I try.
I just think it’s ridiculous to question whether Richards, Pronger, Timonen, Boucher, Hartnell, Briere, Giroux, Coburn, O`Donnell, Betts, Powe, Nodl, Shelley, … care.
And if people are worried about whether Zherdev cares or not… you’re clearly asking the wrong question.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Well if they do care, then why did they seem to lose all their motivation/drive?
Over thinking the game?
Wrong Attitude?
Are they beginning to burn out?
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Mar 7, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Again, I have a problem with your assumption. Saying they lost all “motivation/drive” is highly and entirely subjective. Jumping out to a 2-0 lead against Buffalo isn’t indicative of an unmotivated and undriven team.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
As an athlete sometimes you seem to have no interest. You seem that you don’t care about the result. I know that from my own experience. I remember struggling and everybody thought I didn’t even care. Which was so wrong. I did care, I tried so hard to get better, to get where I was before. And it was so frustrating it didn’t show on the outside.
/sigh
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yesterdays game was a wide footed, hit both of ’em, kick in the bag.
by 92-74-99-96 on Mar 7, 2011 12:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yup, at the end of the game yesterday I wanted a bag skate something fierce. But it’s the wrong move, it’ll frustrate the team even more. A day off to think things over is the best thing to do.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
It would more than just frustrating, it would delay the recovery process and a fully recovered athlete is what ensures the best performance. They had 3 hard back to back practices (dumb) immediately followed by 3 games in 4 days. To have skated them today would have been downright abusive. The team may have slumping in terms of catching breaks but what Laviolette did was to ensure that his players would have been too exhausted to play to the best of their abilities. This is a speed endurance contact sport and it is not meant to be played 6 times in a seven day stretch which is what Lavy did by practicing them to failure 3 days in a row before a 3 game in 4 day run. Just fucking dumb – you can’t push the body that hard and expect quality performance. Not only that you increase the risk of injury when you overtrain like this.
haha, nobody would have talked about it anyway.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Flyers suck. Lightning suck. Stamkos sucks. Gagne sucks. Richards sucks. My hometown team sucks. Everybody sucks! That’s all I can talk about right now, for God’s sake!
But Charlie Sheen is winning.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
It’s no coincidence that as soon as he started winning, the Flyers started losing. Sheen is to blame.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Is this the right room for an argument?
And he has Adonis DNA.
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"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Maybe he used to, but now he just looks rough.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
He does. But I was watching an interview with him last night, as rough as he looks, he knows exactly what is going on. It’s somewhat amazing.
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"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Well, crazy people are often quite brilliant. They aren’t mutally exclusive.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
he’s just a cocky spoiled kid who never really could act – his precision in his convictions only show how much free time he’s got
He showed some promise earlier in his career, but squandered it on celebrity and the trappings of fame. Happens to a lot of them. You can think you are in control, but the game really controls you.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
No. Cocaine. It’s a helluva drug.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
Not Sheen, but...
“I’ve flown 194 missions, and I’ve been shot down every time. Come to think of it, I’ve never landed a plane in my life.”
I'm kind of a dick.
Can I also add Maryland Basketball? They’re sucking pretty bad right now too.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I won't click the link
There’s a Yahoo Sports article entitled: “What We Learned: The Flyers are crumbling before our very eyes.”
I’m sure it’s a real gem.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
I put the link in the comments above with a quote.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Was that the one? I don’t read most of these opinion pieces so I didn’t click on it anyway. They are mostly conjecture and horseshit and I don’t care to read the comments because they are always the lowest common denominator fans with nothing material to add.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
haha, yeah, that was the one. And exactly.
That’s why I said I won’t link to it tomorrow.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t deserve mention in the Fly By beyond appearing down here in the comments.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Is Lambert the one that doesn’t even try and be reasonable, or is that Leahy?
Wysh is fine, is oblivious to certain things. And Bourne is the man.
I disagree. Wysh and (I think) Leahy at least attempt a measured approach to things. I think the quality of writing muddies that spring a bit.
Here's everything you need to know about how informed it is
Being up against the salary cap as they were, Cup run hero Michael Leighton got demoted to the minors — another veteran victim of a world in which effectiveness at the NHL level isn’t always the top consideration for job placement – and the Flyers opted to roll a tandem of replacement-level-in-a-good-year netminder Brian Boucher and rookie Sergei Bobrovsky, playing his first season ever away from Russia.
Nevermind the fact that Boucher’s career ESS% is higher than Leighton’s or that Bob is outplaying them both…
…or that Leighton should have never been signed to an extension in the first place.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
…or that Leighton’s injury kept him from playing, which is what really opened the door for Boosh and Bob.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Whatever, I was in the camp that never wanted him signed. I stand by it.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
haha, but it’s not hurting the Flyers!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Except for the money…or were you just being snarky.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
haha, snarky.
Mistakes are glossed over because the team was able to send them to the minors. As if evidence that no other team in the NHL wants him for that price makes it less of a mistake.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I take it back, you need to know this too
Losing like that, while Pittsburgh inexplicably kept winning
Psst, buddy, Pittsburgh is 2-6 in their last eight games.
Perception bias.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
What? That doesn’t exist. I seen what I seen!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. Dude needs new glasses. The fact is people misuse facts all the time. That’s a quote from that NPR article and I plan to use it going forward.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
The sad part is that people who ignore facts use that quote to continue ignoring them.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I can kinda understand the screwup with implying Leighton is good and Boucher is just replacement level. I’m sure he hasn’t seen either goalie for more than a few games, and heck, Holmgren made roughly the same mistake this off-season.
But how do you say “Pittsburgh has kept winning while the Flyers have faded” when Pittsburgh has won two of their last eight games? That’s just atrocious.
luck is a key scientific factor, look at our creation, whether it be from apes or god… how lucky was that.
I can’t believe that “driving the baseline” is our Achilles heel.
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Refunds?
Hey, does anyone know the refund process for the flyers? I dropped over $200 to go to the game yesterday, and it was the phantoms playing. I thought I was going to see the flyers play???
Flyers playing like the Phantoms
inter arma enim silent leges
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hrm ok
inter arma enim silent leges
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 7, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
not to shimmy my own shine box or anything, but i got very very lucky going to only one game this year: flyers/sens 6-2… its a crap-shoot when you spend the loot
Panotch
How do we feel knowing this?
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
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I know how I feel.
“They’ve all got flu, have they?”
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
I feel no differently.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
BTW, I’ve got the flu as well. If my commenting goes south at any point today, I blame fatigue for my regression.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
I’ll bet you’re not at all interested in playing against the New York Rangers right now.
Feel better.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
It at least explains things some, like why they looked so disorganized out there.
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
I think blaming fatigue and the flu is letting them off the hook.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I think that’s exactly the point: They are who we thought they were. And we’re letting them off the hook.
They do, but I have a hard time believing that that’s the whole story.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Fatigue, flu, mentality: these all factor into performance. The stats we record quantify that performance, and we recognize trends so we can make certain predictions, but there’s still some basis for what happened.
The whole story is we were never as good as the crazy pace we were on most of the year. We’re better than we are now, and the reason they are playing poorly is not so the totals regress to the mean—that’s the a side effect of poor/unlucky play.
In a speed endurance sport like hockey fatigue is the biggest of all the factors you mentioned in performance. But fatigue is a very complex physiological process that invovles many of the body’s different systems and so hard to quantify in sports, particularily team sports, inwhich luck plays a role in determining outcomes.
That’s the jaded Philadelphia fan in you talking.
Please look at my below comment to see how the defending Stanley Cup Champion did at the end of last season – in particular, games 62-75, when they went 5-8-1. They had even less time to right the ship than the Flyers have now. The team is 1-4-1 over the last 6, but they still have 17 games to set things right (as opposed to the seven that Chicago had).
"Darroll can't see it, blind to the eyes;
He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
Man-crushin' on #36 since he hit his "absolute ceiling" as a rookie in 2008.
That’s the jaded Philadelphia fan in you talking.
That’s a fair assessment.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Actually, I should say that the “other factor” that I want to include in addition to fatigue and the flu is coasting because we’re in the lead, which I think Snevik covers as “mentality.” I want to emphasize that I’m not in sky-is-falling panic mode after these last few games, nor do I think that there’s locker room dissension , or mutiny against Lavy, or anything like that. We had a pretty comfortable lead in the standings, so I think we let off the gas, which I don’t like doing because it’s hard to get going again when the pack catches you. And I think that is a separate factor that fatigue and the flu don’t account for. That’s what I meant by “not the whole story.”
That said, rough patches happen. This is one. We’ll get out of it and get back to normal. We’ll be fine.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Complete interview
Sam Carchidi has the full transcript of the interview up in the Inquiirer. Don’t know how to post links. Sorry!
I was watching NHL live which just finished. They the started to re-air yesterdays Rangers game. I was too busy reading these posts, and the Fucking Rangers scored before I could change the channel.
Last year around this time we played Chicago when they were going through a slump. They shook it off, so will we.
May I direct your attention here?
Take note of their last quarter of the season (games 61-82). Notice their Flyers-esque record at the beginning there and see what happens.
- Game 61 – a shootout win over mediocre Columbus. The Jackets jumped out to a 2-0 lead, and the Blackhawks scored 4 straight to take the lead late into the second period before blowing a 2-goal lead of their own and winning in a shootout.
- Game 62 – Road loss to the Islanders. Great job!
- 3-1 over the next four, then…
- Game 67 – Up 2-1 against the Flyers with 2:30 remaining in regulation. We all know what happened after that.
- Game 68 – Up 3-0 on the Capitals after 2 periods of play. This game turned into a 4-3 Capitals OT win.
- 2-2 over the next four, then…
- Game 73 – An 8-3 loss at Columbus. Tim and Eric, Awesome Show, Great Job.
- Game 74 – A home loss against Columbus. Swept in a home-and-home series by the last-place team in their division.
- Game 75 – A road loss against St. Louis, where the ’Hawks had leads of 1-0 and 2-1 but lost 4-2.
- Then, a 7-game point streak – including 6 straight wins, to end the season.
- Much like in Game 67, we all know what happened after that.
Last year’s Hawks had insane forward depth, a strong defense, and question marks in goal (a rookie and a washed-up average-at-best veteran).
So, team build / makeup, blowing leads, losing to inferior opponents late in the season…
Does any of this sound familiar?
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He came up in your face OOPS POWE SURPRISE!"
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OT Question for Mobile users
If I’m reading through comments on my Droid phone and I’m logged in, is there any way to scroll to new comments as they appear (similar to the “z” key function when using a regular computer)? There doesn’t seem to be a way to pull up the keyboard on my mobile phone unless you’re in a text box.
Sarauj, Latvija!
I’ve never found it. I can’t even tell the difference between new and old comments on the mobile site.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Not yet, but trust me, we all want it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Now, now. I understand that the Caps retaking the SE Division is painful, but it’ll all be okay ;-)
Sarauj, Latvija!
Do you not remember last year at all?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well very few people are.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Mar 7, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
No, that can’t be it because there are no KHL playoff games today if I’m not mistaken. However, tomorrow I’ll be rooting for the Flyers (of course), but also for Dinamo Riga in their first game of the semi-final round against the Russian team “Lokomotiv Yaroslavl”. Aiziet!
Sarauj, Latvija!
Well, there are quite a few Czech players in the KHL, but I also thought they were going to add a Czech team to the KHL? Didn’t I read something about that last year?
Sarauj, Latvija!
I do follow players, yes… but just because some player is Czech doesn’t mean I’m going to follow him or be a fan of him. Really, I couldn’t care less about KHL, I don’t even know how many teams and what teams are there. I only know some bits from the news… like Hasek’s team being eliminated and Jagr’s Omsk heading into the second round. That’s about it.
And yes I read about it and it was ridiculous right from the beginning. I hope they won’t ever do that.
I understand. On the other hand, in Latvia the love for Dinamo Riga is HUGE, so obviously the Gagarin Cup is a big deal, and beating Dinamo Moscow in the semi-final was sweet! Latvians love to stick it to the Russians any time they can.
Sarauj, Latvija!
You should adopt Kovar’s team. He’s 1-1.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Dammit, I just hit ‘z’ on facebook, wanting to scroll down to new items in the news feed. I’ve officially lost it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
hahahaha love it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 7, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
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