Wednesday Morning Fly By: "A Win In Spite of How You Play"
by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Recaps of last night's win: [BSH] [The Copper & Blue] [CSNPhilly] [Inquirer] [Flyers Faithful] [Philly Sports Daily] [Daily News] [delcotimes.com] [The700level.com] [Forsythe and the Flyers]
- In case you don't click the link in The Copper & Blue, look how bad the Flyers played in the second and third periods: [Scoring Chances]
- Darroll Powe talked about the dangerous hit he received after the game: [Philly Sports Daily]
- In case you didn't know, the quote above came from Chris Pronger. Read more: [Philly Sports Daily]
- What did Paul Holmgren say was the problem in the losing stretch? Giving up too many scoring chances. Whaaaaaaat? NHL teams track advanced stats??? [delcotimes.com]
- The Flyers signed Brown University Captain Harry Zolnierczyk: [BSH] [PostStar.com] [Forsythe and the Flyers] [NHL.com] [The Brown Daily Herald]
- Don't know why I didn't see this, but Jakub Kovar stopped 25 of 28 shots in a 3-0 loss on Monday: [euroflyers]
- But Kovar stopped 38 of 39 shots as his team tied the series at 2: [euroflyers]
- Joonas Lehtivuori was a plus-1 in 23 minutes of ice time: [euroflyers]
- The Ducks recalled Ray Emery. Again. Good for him: [NHL.com]
- Speaking of the Ducks, they signed Luca Sbisa to a four-year, $8.7 million extension: [O.C. Register]
- The Phantoms announced their Clear Day roster (listing only those players eligible to play for the remainder of the season) and neither Andrew Rowe nor Cullen Eddy were included: [PostStar.com]
- For you collectors out there, the Flyers are auctioning their #17 jerseys worn in warm-ups prior to Rod Brind`Amour night. They are signed by both Rod and the player who wore it: [NHL Auctions]
- Hysterical. Though I wish I knew what he meant with the hashtag: "Phantoms' @TomSestito23 is welcomed to the team by losing Mustache-Boy. Growing it out for a month. #ThirdEyeBrow" [DannySyvret]
- What types of penalties are "good" and when are they warranted? [Behind The Net]
- Gary Bettman traveled to Glendale to try and save the sale of the Coyotes: [SBNation.com]
- Derek Zona tries to explain why advanced metrics focus on even strength play. He speaks slowly and uses graphs. So head on over: [The Copper & Blue]
- Speaking of Zona, his boy Stephen Weiss took a five minute, forty-three second shift. Yes, 5:43. Watch: [SBNation.com]
- When LaSalle won the Flyers Cup, many fans had flash backs to Patrick Kane. Seriously, it's almost an exact replay. Creepy: [Crossing Broad]
- With the trial finally commencing, a look at what Todd Bertuzzi's assault did to change the hockey landscape: [Puck Daddy]
- The newest "will he be suspended?" hit came from Zdeno Chara last night: [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Simply amazing. Tracking where the Devils and their opposition shoot the puck from, and tracking their percentages. A great look at how the Devils are winning (or not) so much lately: [In Lou We Trust]
- Lastly, the pros and cons on fighting in the NHL: "Pro-fighting: Without the threat of fighting, noble enforcers like Jody Shelley and Trevor Gillies would be unable to protect their teammates from despicable cheap-shot artists like Jody Shelley and Trevor Gillies." [Down Goes Brown]
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I almost wish I knew exactly what Pronger wanted from the team. It’s like they have been depleated for whatever reason(s), and here they are trying to get it back, and he’s still like, ‘this team sucks, we can do better, the’re hard headed’. I’m paraphrasing here, but really, how about a, ‘this is a start’. I guess i was kind of annoyed.
"There's cool, and then there's Claude Giroux"
I was annoyed when I had to watch them over the last 3 weeks. Playing 20 minutes of a game isn’t very good and that is all they have been doing the past few games.
I didn’t see the game, but I heard they did really good in the first and petered out during the second and third. If it is what I envision, it is how it has been for the past few games … thus the “this a start” is more like “we did the same crap but won”
This team won’t get very far in the playoff by only playing 1/3 of the game and they need to change it … it doesn’t matter if Pronger tries to sugar coat it for the media or not, they need to play better for long and be more consistent with it.
First off, having somebody in the room like Pronger is going to be more effective at communicating that it’s not acceptable to play with a 20 minute effort than Lavy would be. It’s not Pronger’s job to pat guys on the back and say they started to get better, that’s not the role he plays on this team.
We also lack context on the situation. Hypothetically, they could have actually discussed playing harder in the second or third period before the game or during intermission; and then they didn’t execute and live up to what they talked about and it set Pronger off. That’s total speculation, but all I’m getting at is we don’t know all of the context that precipitated Pronger’s yelling after the game.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 9, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
I suppose that’s where my true annoyance comes from. Prongs always appears to be doing these pressers after he just had a screaming match with someone and I’m left like huh? This wasnt pretty but there was effort.
"There's cool, and then there's Claude Giroux"
by sophiejo on Mar 9, 2011 8:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lavy agreed with him after the game though, so obviously the team doesn’t think it was enough. It was an improvement over the last couple of games, but they need to break out of their bad habits.
I can see where you’re coming from, but I’m just chalking it up to Pronger doing what he knows he needs to do.
by DragonGirl0583 on Mar 9, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t mention everything nor can I write a story about it because there are some off the record details, but Pronger (and much of the team) was pissed about the turnovers and getting too fancy in the second two periods.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 9, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
All I have to say is I am so glad there are not reporters outside of my office everyday wanting to ask questions about every minute detail of my day.
Yeah, yeah, I know they get paid a lot of money and are public figures. Just sayin it has to be a drag win or lose to have such 2nd guessing.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
If you give them a pat on the back and a “this is a start,” where is the incentive to push harder? The team will think “yay! that was better!” and relax. If you want to push them to perform better, because we know they can, you need to tell them that. And I agree with what DragonGirl says, it needs to come from within, not from the coach. It’s purely a mental thing. The team needs to push itself to play at its full potential for 60 minutes. Pronger is being the voice of that inner drive.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
If you give them a pat on the back and a "this is a start," where is the incentive to push harder? The team will think "yay! that was better!" and relax.
Not necessarily, I think the Flyers know that they have been sucking badly. I don’t think this one game is enough to let they say ok, we won, lets relax. If they do then there is a very serious problem. I dont totally disagree with Proger, there was just some confusion as to where what i, interpreted to be added hostiliy in his interviews, was coming from.
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The mustache is the eyebrow of the mouth, Geoff. Or maybe eyebrows are the mustaches of the eyes?
I’m a little surprised to see those Phantoms names not make the cut, but then my knowledge of the Phantoms is sporadic at the very best.
That makes so much sense! Haha, thanks.
Now I feel dumb.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 8:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pro-fighting: Hey, remember when they had fighting in NHL 93 and then they took it out for NHL 94? Which one did you like better? Exactly.
Top notch DGB, top notch.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
So this Brown kid, Travis said he’ll play for the Phantoms for the rest of the year yet he’s not on that list is he? So I’m confused.
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The list has a lot of exceptions, like players signed to contracts after their season is up. So if Brendan Ranford signs an NHL deal after his WHL season, he can play. If Jakub Kovar signs an NHL deal after the playoffs, he can play. But Joonas Lehtivuori cannot.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
I see. Thanks.
So we might get to see this Brown kid in a couple weeks?
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
We should. McManus said he’ll report this weekend.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
UPDATED with links, including evidence of just how badly the Flyers played in the last 40 minutes of the game.
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hahahahahahaha, Stefan Legein is awesome. Caption: “Nobody move!”
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Guy’s got a lot of time on his hands, I see.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
He also had a “Goldeneye” tweet, that was a picture of his dog, where the flash made a gold glare on the dog’s eye.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Legein didn’t do that. I’ve seen it before, he probably just found it and thought it was awesome so he tweeted it. It’s pretty genius though.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m sure it’s not original. But I don’t know his hands enough to judge whether that’s his hand.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Well let’s thank God for that.
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by Travis Hughes on Mar 9, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Calvert on the other hand…
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Is Legein left-handed? Because that’s drawing is pretty small and detailed, and since it’s drawn on the right hand, it would have to be done with the left.
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by LeepinLizardz on Mar 9, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Hi Ho Silver Lining
It’s weird to have to think of “silver linings” after a win, but here are a few:
- They won.
- Pronger had a similar outburst (along with Timonen) after this game last year. The Flyers went 4-4 to finish the year after that, but with the exception of the Islanders game, their effort was much better. The Montreal game in particular stands out as one where the Flyers were the better team for 60 minutes but lost anyway.
- The Flyers only had 8 games left after Pronger’s outburst last year. This year, they have twice as many.
- The next game is a road game, against an opponent they just lost to last week. They tend to play more simply on the road and it’s been paying off.
I am predicting that they’ll be much tighter over the next two weeks, especially since they have a road trip coming up.
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This Chara hit is turning into a shit-storm. Its all Canadiens zealots coming out “en masse” saying Chara did it on purpose or at the least he deserves a long suspension. It was interference, but only a 2 minute penalty, the 5 minute penalty was only given to keep peace. Chara should not be suspended. However, if he ends up without a suspension I’m sure we’ll all hear about another Colin Campbell Conspiracy.
What can't Giroux do?
I understand the calm things down angle but I really don’t agree with a 5 minute major. I didn’t even know you could give a major penalty for interference. It was an unfortunate result of a clean hit the only thing illegal about it was that it was away from the puck. If he’s suspended I’ll be very very surprised. Especially given that he has no history (to my knowledge) of violent or dirty play.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I was just typing about the topic … you beat me to the punch
He shouldn’t get suspended.
It shouldn’t have been a 5 minute major even it is one of those where the injury dictates the penalty instead of the act.
In reference to Interference
“56.4 Major Penalty – The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major penalty, based on the degree of violence, to a player guilty of interfering with an opponent (see 56.5).”
The degree of violence was nominal at best … and violence defined correctly as:
vi·o·lence
Definition of VIOLENCE
1 a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in warfare effecting illegal entry into a house) ~~ http://www.merriam-webster.com
If you look back at the Upshall hit on Bartulis. The degree of violence did not dictate a major penalty; it was barley a penalty at all if it there wasn’t an injury involved. As soon as I saw Bartulis on the ice I assumed it was a 5 minute major and was actually pleasantly surprised that it wasn’t.
Chara was rubbing the guy out he was not intending to drive the mans head into glass. There is a gap in the bench area that is unavoidable unless you decide to only have line changes during stoppages in play. This is an unfortunate accident and nothing more. He isn’t the first guy to take a head or a shoulder into that spot of the bench. People would hit that area before there was even padding there … yeah ouch.
There was nominal force and I would bet zero intent on injuring him there. Five feet further down the boards and the only thing that would have been said about it would be the moans of the Boston fans about a penalty called (which a 2 minute probably should have been).
I agree there should be no suspension, but if Upshall gets 2 for that hit then Chara should get some … Add a few games for the hospitalization … as a few more fore a neck injury when the Todd Bertuzzi hit is in the headlines again … subtract 5 for being a star player … yeah … still complete bullshit either way.
Similar Hit?
Chara’s hit automatically reminded me of another big hit where there wasn’t a clean sheet of glass, just an ugly corner. I think many of us can remember this…
Public Service Announcement:
The meltdown we had at the beginning of yesterday’s game thread promises to make a return.
Because Travis smartly re-instituted the 24-hour waiting period, the strong desire of this particular troll will shine through as early as 7 pm tonight.
Plan accordingly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 11:00 AM EST reply actions
You really think so?
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I know so.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Dude went positively off the reservation last night. Pulled a “Sheen” if you will.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Not even a Sheen, he went full Gibson.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAHA. I missed the anti-semitic rant. I’ll have to go back and read more carefully.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Wait, there was an anti-semitic rant? I thought he just bobbed everything? Or are we just talking about Gibson?
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by LeepinLizardz on Mar 9, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
You missed when he said “SHUT UP AND BOB ME!” ?
Haha (that didn’t actually happen for those who didn’t read)
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Now, THAT would have been funny.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Now that I think about it, this could be a nice retort for someone.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Dibbs?
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
You get dibs, but I may use it sometime. After all, this is all partially my fault for suggesting using it to respond to trolls.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Right on. I agree to those terms.
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well, he woke up and still doesn’t think he went off the reservation.
So it’ll be fun. Or painful. Or painfully funny.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it was a tad pathetic, but whatevs. Thank God I don’t post during gamethreads; that’s all I have to say on the matter.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
He thinks it’s hypocritical.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
So he makes his point by Bob-ing every single post? He doesn’t get context and can’t handle any sort of criticism—he isn’t going to last long around here.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
No, he doesn’t understand why he can’t say “Bob”, but everyone can say “Bob” to him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
He can. He just has to use it in proper context. He can’t use it in response to every single post on the page. He doesn’t get it.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
I know all of this. haha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I know—I’m just hoping he reads this and gets some illumination on the matter.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
It makes me long for the days of Champ Anderson.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeeeeeah. I just re-read the game thread. It really wasn’t all that funny.
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by LeepinLizardz on Mar 9, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Since I haven't been here during much of the season
What is the proper context for BOB.
We need a glossary of terms around here or something.
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Basically Bob is a response to a troll or someone who says something so outrageous or something you disagree with so much that it hurts or something that lacks all logic. Instead of trying to fight or argue or cause a huge ruckus, just say Bob and move on.
Right?
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Right. It comes from that Coatesy interview with Bobrovsky, where he asked all sorts of incoherent, Coatesy-like questions, and the only thing Bob ever said in response was “Bob!”
It’s basically “Your argument isn’t even worth responding to” but much shorter to type.
Haha
Thanks guys that makes sense.
And I went back and re-read the game thread. That was hilarious.
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And it was originally used when Geoff was kvetching about Coatesy being a bad commentator, as a joke reference to that interview. It’s blown up a bit since then.
Bob.
I don’t believe I can take credit for it, to be honest.
In fact, I’m almost positive I didn’t create the meme. I agreed that it should become one, though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I suggested we use it for trolls, but it was someone else who put it into effect. I want to say Don or Justin. Can’t remember for certain.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
I don’t believe that was me who came up with that idea. Probably Don.
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I think you’re right. I said, “Hey, we should just say ‘Bob’ whenever we have trolls!” And everyone agreed. Then later that day, Don used it on someone in a thread. Can’t remember if it was a troll or regular poster.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Yeah. This sounds accurate.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
We have an Urban Dictionary (found here), but it isn’t updated often enough.
I agree we need a better one, but please don’t hesitate to ask going forward.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
All he has done for the past few weeks is say something antagonistic in every other post.
Mourning Gagne forever.
We had to get rid of him in March. No room for a pest here in the playoffs.
by Snevik on Mar 9, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tell that to the guy who was arguing with you yesterday over Shelley and Carcillo. :-p
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Is that me? I don’t remember.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry. I’m egotistical :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
What is his username this time? travissmalls? jeffiedetwiles?
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What’s the fun of telling us that? Then we’ll know! It’s more exciting if we don’t know what we’re looking for.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I’m pretty sure Travis pulled an Operation Iraqi Freedom…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Can he ban IP addresses to that this guy can’t continue to create multiple accounts to spam?
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It wouldn’t, I was just wondering if he could do so.
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I’m not positive.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
How should we best prepare? Fine tune our B and O keys? Review the writings of Champ Anderson for ideas? Run the Art Museum stairs?
I don’t know about you, but I kind of want to re-read Champ’s comments. They were hysterical.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I have mine on a sticky so that I can read the good vibes whenever I want.
(Not true…but a good idea actually)
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by KreiderDesigns on Mar 9, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I might have to go visit the game thread to see what I missed. (Un?)fortunately, I won’t be around at 7:00 tonight either. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
haha, I did.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, that’s sad. I started scrolling up from the “Chem to the restaurant!” comment and came across a “drexel’d”. This caught my attention. I thought “could this new ‘jeffdetwiles’ actually be ‘jrphi2002’ under a new name?” And then I scrolled up more. And I was right.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Yes. Yes it was. “jrphi2002” got banned for his meltdown, re-signed up as “jeffdetwiles,” got banned again, Travis re-instituted the 24-hour wait period, and apparently the troll will return later tonight.
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He told me he would. That doesn’t mean he will, nor does it mean we’ll let him. But I kinda want to see this kid’s devotion to trolling.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Pacioretty is pretty messed up. Severe concussion and fracture of the fourth cervical vertabrae. Link. Poor dude. Get well soon.
I love the Flyers so much I even went to Bobby Clarke Day Camp.
Possibly a career ending situation. Just awful.
I love the Flyers so much I even went to Bobby Clarke Day Camp.
by billy_pilgrim on Mar 9, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Whether the NHL wants to or not, how it deals with this situation could change the game for good. A stiff suspension — or none at all — would send a strong message one way or another.
I wish the league got out of the “trying to measure intent” part of these penalties and simply judged the result — a player’s actions led to another player being severely injured. If results, rather than intent, determined length of suspensions, perhaps players would end up having to think before delivering a hit like Chara’s.
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I agree that “intent” has no place in the disciplinary process. I’d treat this like Upshall’s hit on Bartulis or Ovechkin’s knee-to-knee from last year. It was a dangerous hit, intentional or not is irrelevant. It should be suspendable, if nothing else, just as a stiff warning for Chara to keep himself under control.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
What keeps me off the “let’s suspend him for good!” bandwagon is that had this hit happened anywhere else it would have been a completely clean check. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be suspended, but I’m not saying he should get +10 games either. It’s tough.
Oh, I’m not saying “suspend him for good” by any means. I mean somewhere in the ballpark of 2-3 games. Just consult the DGB suspension flowchart. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
That’s what I got too.
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Can’t disagree, but considering the severity of the injury, I would not be surprised to see some suspension doled out here on the premise that Chara was reckless in laying such a hit in that area of the boards/rink. After all, fractured cervical vertebrae in layman’s terms means he has a broken neck.
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Agreed. I also saw a picture that shows Chara practically driving Max’s head into that pole using his left hand. I couldn’t really catch that in the video.
Saw the shot, someone posted it on the SBN article Travis wrote, but I still disagree that it was intent—and his hand is on the inside of the guys face (in reference to where the boards are). His arm is definitely up, but he is not “driving the guys head” anywhere but away from the puck, which happens to be towards the boards. It’s not a vicious elbow he’s swinging to hit the guys head. The overhead view was a great look where you see a guy (Chara) just ride a guy into the boards. Unfortunately it happened where it did.
And once again, I go back to the fact that if Chara was so aware of where he was skating and did this purposely, why didn’t Max know where he was and understand he was skating into the glass? Why is it always one guy who should say, “Oh wait, we’re skating into an area where you might be injured if I continue to check you. I will stop and let you skate by.” Notice the “continue” specifically in this case. You are being checked by Chara, and he is riding you into the boards. You should be aware of the fact that there is a large piece of stationary glass right in front of you, and that as big and strong as he is, you will probably not be getting around him.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
I don’t want the NHL judging intent or result.
I want the NHL judging the action. A boarding is a boarding, regardless of whether the guy was carted off on a stretcher or stumbled his way to the bench or laid there for awhile.
You can’t punish based on result or you won’t punish fairly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Finally getting around to checking out the new links (busy morning), and this
Darroll Powe talked about the dangerous hit he received after the game
made me think the hit was after the game. I was very confused. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
haha. When typing that, I definitely paused and thought the same thing. Then said eff it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that’s slacking. I think that’s business as usual.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
And Kat is calling you out on it. We need to shape up around here! Or not. Whatever. I’m too tired to argue today.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Can he be my stand-in on all arguments today?
I’m gonna have a tough time playing this concert tonight if I don’t start feeling better quick… :-/
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Every year, the alumni (well, whoever still lives in the area and is available) from the jazz band at my college get together and play on a concert with the current jazz ensemble. It’s amazing, I miss playing with that group so much, it was one of my favorite things about college. And we only do it once a year, so it’s a huge night for me and I can’t stand the thought of missing it because of this cold or whatever it is. I don’t care if they have to prop me up on stage, I’m playing.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I’m saying slacking is business as usual.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Zona’s article is great, and simple to follow, but wouldn’t how special teams/even strength play correlates with points be more useful than average performance relative to the standings?
Also, “an R-squared” not “a R-squared.”
Thanks Geoff
Michael Fucking Leighton. Good for La Salle though
The day looms closer where the enforcer is extinct
inter arma enim silent leges
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 9, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions
It was a good read, the situation makes a considerable more amount of sense than originally. I didn’t want you to take it as an attack, because it wasn’t meant to be one. I just get curious sometimes because when I see someone’s random attack on Gagne (there was a scuffle of some sort yesterday about Gagne) I fully expect the Katchis Defense team to arrive. And I asked to myself, is it possible to argue from a fan of a certain player’s standpoint, with someone whose a fan of the team. There are certain elements that are common ground, but I think after a certain point it’s a waste to argue; you have people who put the team first and then you have others who like the team but its not their native team which puts them in a bind.
Again, this wasn’t an indictment against you, nor was this talking behind your back in some sort of high school esque way, I was just interested in where people stood on the matter.
Also, awhile back (and this has stayed with me for awhile, because it’s a matter that transcends something as trivial as a sport, and can be applicable to bigger things in life), you said what amounted to supporting the name on the back, not the crest on the chest when it came to the Flyers. I thought to myself, would I ever be able to do that to my home team, and the answer was an emphatic no.
The gist: I like to think about social matters and how I organize sports in my life, and what you said made me think a bit more about how I manage sports.
No worries :)
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 9, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I didn’t really see it as an attack from you. It was just really unexpected and caught me off guard a bit. It didn’t make me angry. It didn’t cause a negative reaction of any matter. It actually gave me an opportunity to explain myself because I’ve seen many people getting confused with me and my fandom, as well as I was accused of not being the true Flyers fan.
As I tried to explain in my response to you I don’t always put the name on the back before the crest on the chest. I don’t do that at all when it comes to my hometown team and I don’t do that when it comes to the Lightning. The Flyers are a different case though and I believe I explained that enough yesterday.
I thought to myself, would I ever be able to do that to my home team, and the answer was an emphatic no.
Well, as I said, me neither. The important thing here is that the Flyers are not my home team and they can never be.
Yup, you did. Everything is cleared up
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Mar 9, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Chara’s hit gave Pacioretty concussion and fractured vertebra
So yeah, he is going to get suspended…
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"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
The funny/sad part is every time I have referred to that chart, it’s been right.
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What a friggin joke this league is.
Guys on the Flyers have been suspended for way less. And I was ok with their suspensions, but in light of this? I am not saying to suspend based on result, but even during the game that was a dirty hit. There was no reason Chara had to keep riding him into the boards like he did. The puck was already well on it’s way to someone else.
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"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I saw on BSB that Kreider got injured. I don’t know what happened, maybe he was driving while drunk with masthead power or something.
Hope he’s OK.
Oh no!
Hope he’s okay. That’ll teach him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 9, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
From PPP's Chemmy on Twitter
FLYERROB has made a wager with @mlse and I. Oh god I need the Leafs to beat Philly.
I need to know what this wager is.
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All of a sudden this game is 10 times more interesting.
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I am all for wagers and fun and games...but
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
by EREX21 on Mar 9, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want Hextall tackling Chelios, but I can’t find it yet…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
In my book, nothing beats Hexy slashing Nilsson. Nilsson didn’t even touch him, his only mistake was wearing an Oilers uniform and being near the goal to be the target of Hexy’s anger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyp1tNasFvw&feature=related
Sarauj, Latvija!
crappy quality but
I'm the Pronger. Basically? Run.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Blah, didn’t work.
I'm the Pronger. Basically? Run.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
At least you can say that you aren’t part of the same educational system.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I’m confused now. Flyerrob did a Fanpost on PPP regurgitating that entire Gagne-Holtby discussion on BSH from earlier this week?
Sarauj, Latvija!
Yes, that’s what I found first when looking for his wager.
The wager is in the second link — he’s sending them cheesesteaks if the Leafs beat the Flyers.
OK, the wager I understand, but the whole Gagne-Holtby thing I don’t. Did Flyerrob copy and paste that whole discussion from BSH over to PPP just to see if he would get a better reception to his argument on what a great save Holtby made? What the heck is that all about???
Sarauj, Latvija!
For the attention, perhaps?
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Over there, he made a comment a lot like the one here. A very brief discussion ensued, because they didn’t care much one way or the other about Gagne.
Then he later made a fanpost with the entire discussion from here, hoping that they would agree that everyone here was a bunch of sensitive babies (which they were all too happy to do).
He’s looking for groupthink acceptance. Except he moves the goal posts when he transfers the post over there and it’s taken out of context. Gorgeous.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Yes.
However, the wager seems to be completely different. I’m not sure how you can ship coffee though…
Mourning Gagne forever.
What? Why?! Why would you do that? Why would they want to read that? He went there to cry about the way we got confused over his poor wording? Even calls us all “DINKS” (whatever that means). I’m just dumbfounded. Wow.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"DINKS" (whatever that means)
Dink= Claude Giroux.
He called us all Claude Girouxs.
Mourning Gagne forever.
by ToddtheFox on Mar 9, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh my gosh for the 2nd straight day I am in tears reading this blog.
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Since you don’t recall what Dink is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Giroux_(wrestler)
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2010/12/16/claude-giroux-was-dink-the-clown/
Alright, I’m out. Concert time! Thanks, FLYERROB, for a good laugh to end my otherwise boring day.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I didn’t think it was fair that Weiss’ shift didn’t even get mentioned. My gosh he is a machine.
Mourning Gagne forever.
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