Monday Morning Fly By: Lineup Questions Abound, Including (Shocker) in Goal
by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 18, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Chris Pronger traveled with the team to Buffalo: [Frequent Flyers] [Philly Sports Daily] [CSNPhilly]
- But he is unlikely to play in tonight's game: [Inquirer]
- Anyway, the real question is: Who starts in goal? [NHL.com] [CSNPhilly] [delcotimes.com] [Daily News] [Inquirer] [NHL Hot Stove]
- Brian Boucher is preparing as if he's the starter. And some other quotes from Boucher: [Philly Sports Daily]
- "Physically I'm feeling normal. Mentally... not really. But I'll get over it soon." - Sergei Bobrovsky: [euroflyers]
- James van Riemsdyk gets credit for his fantastic first two games of the series: [Philly Sports Daily] [delcotimes.com]
- Ville Leino has stepped up his game once again: [delcotimes.com]
- A look at how bad the Flyers power play has been lately: [Frequent Flyers]
- Frank Seravalli is hosting a chat today at 2 p.m. here: [Frequent Flyers]
- The Sabres are happy to be home, especially with the series tied and home-ice advantage: [NHL.com]
- Ryan Miller said some things that may be taken as fighting words. You decide: [delcotimes.com]
- Jim Jackson's five observations after Game 2: [CSNPhilly]
- Arguing that Mike Richards and Jeff Carter need to step up: [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- A great wrap-up of the Phantoms' season, and all the question marks surrounding this off-season for them: [PostStar.com]
- Tim McManus interviewed John Paddock on Joe Paterson, college free agents, the goalie situation, Kevin Marshall and Marc-Andre Bourdon, and many other things. Part 1 is here: [PostStar.com] and Part 2 is here: [PostStar.com]
- In a battle of Flyers' goalies, Greenville beat Wheeling on Friday to tie the series at 1. Shane Harper had a goal and an assist, Andrew Rowe had an assist, and Nic Riopel stopped 21 shots for the OT win: [PSPhantoms]
- Jakub Kovar is still in contention for the World Championships, as Tomas Vokoun declined the invite. [euroflyers]
- Kovar was also named to the roster for the final tournament before the Worlds: [euroflyers]
- A look at the Kings' cap situation next year and their impending crunch: [Jewels From The Crown]
- Raffi Torres blindsided Brent Seabrook last night: [Puck Daddy]
- There's a FanPost contest going on, with the winner getting "swag": [Behind the Net]
- Looking at time spent with the goalie pulled by situation: [Behind the Net]
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With Pronger, or without, we got this… GO FLYERS!!!!!
by 92-74-99-96 on Apr 18, 2011 6:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Two things:
I would start Bob tonight. As pedestrian as he looked in game 2, and I don’t think you can really fault him for most of that, he was excellent in game 1. Not sure how Lavy can really justify making the switch now but he does tend to overreact so whatever.
If the Flyers lose this round and Pronger doesn’t play, or plays a game or two, how much are we going to have to spend the off season hearing “Well if we only had Pronger.” Granted this team clearly plays better with him, that is undeniable, whether you want to you use the eye test or real information known as statistics, but even still this team should be able to beat Buffalo without him.
I ask because if this team has a disappointing post season run, which to me is not getting back to the finals then will the team be complacent and say, well if we had Pronger it would have been a different story, or will they be aggressive and make the changes they need to make? I like to think long term.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Need to win 1 of this 2 games in Buffalo.Don’t take penalties ( same for the Sabres) and we will be fine.
4-2 Flyers Danny Briere with an hat-trick.Hope to see Boosh starting
Clockwork Orange 10/11
We decine all power plays
I can’t wait for our next 5-3. Wheel out the gimp!
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Goalie...
I would not mind seeing Boosh between the pipes tonight. I think the pressure may be getting to Bob, after all this is a pretty big deal for him seeing how he is a rookie and all.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Bob either. He was very good in game one, and in game two, he got victimized by a few things that really weren’t his fault.
Goal one: Two whiffed shots and a Hartnell stick drop gets Bob moving from side to side before a good pass into poor defensive coverage.
Goal two: Bob holds the post on the first three whacks but for some reason we’re content to let the Sabres just keep on hammering at the puck and the back of his pads, and he slips off the post.
Goal three: Bob goes down a little too quickly on Sekera’s three on one opportunity. But again, that’s three on one.
All of those were preventable by better defense prior to Bob being involved. It made sense to make the switch in Game 2 just to get the momentum going and before a lack of confidence set in, but I don’t think he played himself out of goal by any means. That being said the team is comfortable with Boosh back there too and it shouldn’t be up to our goalie to win these games anyways. That’s what the Sabres need.
I agree with you in principle but I don’t think you can write off the third goal because it was an odd man rush. For Bob it was a 1-on-1. Bob didn’t get beat because he was thinking pass and Sekera took the shot. He got beat the way he always does by going into the butterfly way too early. It’s one of the bigger flaws in his game.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 18, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m worried about the kind of message that playing Boosh would send. I can’t quite explain it, but the idea just makes me nervous/uncomfortable.
"Dammit, Pronger!"
Message to who?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 18, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Mostly the rest of the team. “Look, we have no confidence in our professed playoff starter!”
"Dammit, Pronger!"
I don’t know. I think everyone knows that Lavi goes with the hot hand and trusts his decision. I don’t think it would be that big of a deal.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 18, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I oddly feel good about this series because we have three games on the road. I think they probably give Bob the start again tonight. Boos played well but something tells me he doesn’t get the nod.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
I’m right there with you. I’m still confident that this series is ours. I also believe Bob will be back in net because Lavy knows he usually bounces back from weak starts and proceeds to have stellar one.
Not to mention I prefer Boosh in the role he’s good at. I’d rather the possibility of Brian coming into a game cold cause Bobrovsky struggled than our rookie coming in if Boosh does.
The Flyers are the deepest team in the NHL, the Phillies have four aces. Man is it great to be a Philly sports fan right now.
Hag kasher vesame`ah to my Jewish brothers and sisters.
Now lets go kick some Saber Ass tonight!!!
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Good Yuntif! I’m glad I won’t have the only Seder that has the Flyers game on!
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Why is this night different from all other nights?
The Power Play will score tonight.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
Here I thought Power Plays were the bitter herbs.
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Lately it’s felt more like the yoke of oppression.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
by Mike B on D on Apr 18, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m jealous, my in laws won’t let me get away with that…. I’m just now finally taking a break from 2 days of cleaning & prepping.
by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 18, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone please mark the goalposts to keep things out?
Bob.
by The Dark on Apr 18, 2011 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Carter has an upper body injury from the neck up….he doesnt look like his head is in the game.
"All the experts come out, all the pundits come out with their opinions...the truth of the matter is if they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it" - George McPhee, General Manager, Washington Capitals.
by Nico97 on Apr 18, 2011 9:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
True that. And we have him for 11 more years.
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hehehe
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SUPER 8 BITCHES
by sophiejo on Apr 18, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, I like to call it getting DiPietroed or Yashined.
"All the experts come out, all the pundits come out with their opinions...the truth of the matter is if they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it" - George McPhee, General Manager, Washington Capitals.
by Nico97 on Apr 18, 2011 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Updated with new links.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 18, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions
Where’s the Excel file…and does it have shot locations on it? If so, upcoming work on on ice save % versus shot location.
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Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Check your email. And it has distance, not location.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 18, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
well if it has distance, that’s still something, and coordinates would be even better.
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Sounds like you’ve discovered shot quality, my friend. Go get your reward.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 18, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
When you add links do you always add them to the bottom or just throw them in where it fits? I can’t remember all the links sometimes and pick out the new ones.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 18, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Throw them in where they fit. I thought about throwing them on the bottom, but… my OCD kicks in and I can’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 18, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
What Miller said
Actually doesn’t anger me at all, I’m just happy someone finally noticed. This team can hit, sure, but we haven’t been goons in 30 years. Stupid penalties? Sure. But not goons. We have a ton of skill on this team. Of course, the media is going to make it sound like he’s calling us out rather than pointing out that they’ve been using the same article they wrote in 1978 and just plugging in new names.
Defending Carter until 2021...
He’s crying because the bullshit that wasn’t called in game 1 is being called now. It all balances out anyway.
Why write an new article that makes them work, when the old 30 yr old stand by does fine?
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
by Mike B on D on Apr 18, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t even read it as crying. I read it as “They have a lot of skill and want to play with the puck rather than goon it up.”
Defending Carter until 2021...
I’m not exactly sure how “The Flyers would rather score than goon it up” is an insult.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
it’s not. It’s a valid observation. And that kind of play is what draws most of their power plays these days.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
by Mike B on D on Apr 18, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It does not anger me as much either, but I bet there will be some choice words for Miller tonight, not to mention some net crashing.
It’s all to easy for Miller to say that since he can hide behind hide goalie mask, since God forbid some body touches a goalie.
I would love to see JVR crash the net tonight, especially the way he has been playing. Hell, that would be worth the 2 minutes for goalie interference.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Apr 18, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Start with Bob. Bob can’t do what Boosh can do, which is come in and settle the game down when the starter shits the bed.
Ideally we don’t want the starter to shit the bed.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 18, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Look if Bob is Miller are we aren’t even having this conversation. Let’s not forget Miller gave just as many as Bob(at the time of his yanking) but his name is Ryan Miller. Not comparing the two but at what point and time do we as fans and more so the media get the fuck off of our goaltenders and let them do what they came here for. Which is certainly not listening to the “well goaltending is an issue in Philly”. How about Carter, Richards and some other underperfomers put the bisket in the basket. How about Danny Syvret pick up his man instead of watch the puck, Bob’s only goal against in game . I actually don’t have a problem with either in net, but I am tired of hearing about our goaltending woes when it comes to April-June
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Practically Minnesota. Got some good friends in Des Moines (why I asked).
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by Crosby sucks on Apr 18, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Not comparing the two but at what point and time do we as fans and more so the media get the fuck off of our goaltenders and let them do what they came here for.
Even Buffalo is all over Miller. This isn’t just a Philly problem.
I actually don’t have a problem with either in net, but I am tired of hearing about our goaltending woes when it comes to April-June
We all are.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 18, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m tired of national commentators saying they are tired of talking about it, and then talking about it anyway.
haha, samsies
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 18, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference was that Bob was fighting the game at that point.
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by Mike B on D on Apr 18, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Just now read what Miller said. Big effing whoop. Let’s play some damn hockey. PLAYOFFS!!!!!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 18, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
This is going to haunt me until I figure out what the hell it means.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Well, yes, but he’ll need to know it’s a shocker before he can be shocked.
Bob.
by The Dark on Apr 18, 2011 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is that a hand symbol for 2 in the _?
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Apr 18, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear ya, just the overall concept is not necessarily SFW, so I wrote that.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Apr 18, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Is anybody else excited to see if JVR can match his physical improvement (dedication in general really) from last off-season for next year? If he can, whether it’s his physical improvement or just his skills in general he could really become an incredible force. I just remember the difference between last season to the opening of this season was crazy.
Here’s to JVR’s heart and grit.
#Flyers head coach Peter Laviolette announced that Brian Boucher will start tonight in Game 3
"Dammit, Pronger!"
End speculation.
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See front page.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 18, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And Travis just tweeted that Bob is a healthy scratch?!?!?!?!?!?
I am serious hoping he meant to say sitting, not scratched
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Apr 18, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh god, he didn’t.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Apr 18, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, see front page. :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 18, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s where the oh god post came from
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Apr 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
By the by, how was the Open Ice game this weekend?
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 18, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions
It was fun. A little more competitive than last time. I probably let it get a little too competitive and didn’t do a good job to make sure the beginners got the puck enough. But it was fun as usual. Also, Vansteel is f’ing hilarious.
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Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Awesome. Hopefully I’ll be in for the next one. I just was looking through pictures last night and saw the one of me and Jen going for the puck. HILARIOUS!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Apr 18, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, unfortunately no pictures this time around…but it was still a lot of fun. Also unfortunate, Travis scored, twice. But he was on a team with Mike and me…so no one was going out of their way to make sure he didn’t score.
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Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Hahaha bastard. We’re still tied with a 1 goal per game average.
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by KreiderDesigns on Apr 18, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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