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Flyers Beat Islanders to Win Atlantic Division for First Time Since the Lockout



PHILADELPHIA -- Thank Kimmo for Rick DiPietro. The Flyers clinched the Atlantic Division and the #2 seed in the Eastern Conference tonight, thanks in large part to the Islanders beleaguered goaltender. As a result, the Flyers will host the Buffalo Sabres on Thursday.

Really, it was a pretty fitting game. The Flyers jumped out to a 2-0 lead 47 seconds into the game until a Flyers power play derailed their momentum. That sentence doesn't make sense unless you've been following the Flyers for a little bit, which is what made this game so perfect. Up and down the whole way.

From going up 2-0, to being tied at 2 after ten minutes, going up 3-2 within thirty seconds, then blowing that lead two minutes later... you get the point. The Flyers went from two goals up to one goal down in just over twenty minutes of play. But they pulled it out. They won the game and the Division.

After the game, the talk was no longer about the recent slump, but the opportunity ahead. Said Andrej Meszaros, "The last few weeks weren’t that great but overall it was pretty good.  Starting now, it is a new season and everybody is excited.  Everybody is getting ready for the first game."

Maybe it's just an easy way to gloss over the recent mistakes, but they're right: It's a new season. This team proved last year that anything can happen. They know they have to play better. So now it's time to show it.

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  • On the night where he receives the Barry Ashbee trophy as the team's best defenseman, Andrej Meszaros scored 2 goals and added 2 assists. He's Mike Green with an edge.
  • Rick DiPietro is terrible. This is not even an over-statement. The Islanders are not a bad hockey team when healthy, and with a better goalie. Only ten more years, Isles fans.
  • Matt Carle continues to be a stud in Pronger's absence. He may be coming close to taking the "most underrated player" title away from Kimmo Timonen.
  • Sean O`Donnell continues to try and play his way out of the lineup. Despite playing nearly six more minutes, Carle allowed the Islanders fewer even-strength shots on goal than O`Donnell.  With Danny Syvret having another quietly steady game, it's time for DSOD to to overtake SOD in the top-6.
  • Let's not start a goalie controversy. Sergei Bobrovsky gave up a weak third goal, but the first two were hardly his fault. And the team stopped playing after going up 2-0. He should be your starter. He will be your playoff starter. He is your starter.
  • That said, Brian Boucher came in and played a great game. The one goal he gave up... wasn't good, but he made up for a lot of defensive mistakes.
  • Speaking of defensive mistakes, can we please stop giving up breakaways? Far too often, the Flyers let guys get behind them. Stop it. Now.

Questions with Answers

  1. The HBL line was fantastic in Buffalo. More? We'll find out on Thursday. See what I did there?
  2. More goodness from Sergei Bobrovsky? Unfortunately no. Though he wasn't bad either.
  3. James van Riemsdyk had a huge game last time out against the Islanders. Could use that again, huh? No need when you have The Meszaros.
  4. Okay, can I buy that Atlantic Division stuff tonight? YES.

Comment of the Night

FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE LOCKOUT, THE FLYERS HAVE WON THE ATLANTIC DIVISION!!!!!!!

Justin F.

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Missed everything, was working at a wedding. Just caught the crazy scores!

THANK PELLE, WE MADE IT!!

I'm a year old hockey fan. :-D Best year ever!!

by f2yers8 on Apr 9, 2011 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I was watching this one with my parents. They aren’t hockey fans, but have a basic understanding. After explaining a few things (TV timeouts, icing on PK, etc) they said I watch too much hockey. Never been prouder to watch our game.

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by goldomatic on Apr 9, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

that was me with my mom but i had to try and explain why the refs let them fight!

"I'm not going to get into a he-said she-said with the refs....I'm the "he"" - Chris Pronger

by tabby187 on Apr 9, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

My mom actually likes fights in hockey all but doesn’t know much whenever she watches with me.

And whenever I watch football with her she always says “I still don’t get this first down thing” and every time I say “It’s easy. The team has 4 chances to move the football 10 yards. The down and number is just how many tries they have and how far to go”. Seems simple enough lol.

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Apr 10, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now the real season begins.

by 92-74-99-96 on Apr 9, 2011 11:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

100% correct. Lord Stanley pays a return, and lengthy, visit to Broad Street. Cup #3 on the way, GO FLYERS!!!!!!

by 92-74-99-96 on Apr 9, 2011 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I will be so happy when that day comes. If the parade is on a weekend I am making a trip to Philly for the parade.

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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.

by Lindbergh 31 on Apr 10, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

im excited to see an orange crowd

by letsgoflyers21 on Apr 9, 2011 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

If they pass out shirts, I really hope they don’t have that dumb motto from the website on them.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 9, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, I just couldn’t remember if they hand them out at every game or not.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 9, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have my “Orange Crush” shirt from that year, and I wear it when I watch all the Flyers games. :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have two of them, and wear them quite frequently when playing volleyball, which has earned me the nickname “Philly.” :-p

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by hintzy64 on Apr 10, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

But, that’s a great nickname! :) So, keep wearing them!

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed!

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by hintzy64 on Apr 10, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no, they started using that atrocity that Travis warned us about? /groans I had almost blocked that out

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 9, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only remembered it when I visited the Flyers website after the game. Sheesh. It just doesn’t sound right.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 9, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

With All Of Our Will (Smith Movies That We’ve Seen)… We Will (Not Need To See Any More).

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by mikefive on Apr 9, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe we’ll get lucky and we’ll only have to deal with it for this playoff run, and not for all of next season like the initial report. At least I think that’s what Travis has said was the plan

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 9, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should just win the Cup so we can make the motto “We won the Cup bitches!! Now we want seconds!” Well, maybe not that specific motto but winning may make them change it.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Apr 10, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had to miss the majority of the game due to an unexpected family function, but they luckily they kept regaining the lead every time I got near the radio.

I didn’t get to re-read the game threads yet, but judging by the box score, it seems like there may have been some lapses but it was the closest they’ve come to actually playing 60 minutes lately. Was it a step in the right direction on that front?

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 9, 2011 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

At least you got near a radio. The event I was at ran waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over, and my phone died a few minutes after the Islanders made it 3-3.

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by Chemistry66 on Apr 9, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not often enough, I did miss all of the second period… But I wore my orange jersey to the family thing tonight since the last bit of energy attached to it was getting a half-hug from Lappy at the Carnival, so I thought that might be good luck.

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 9, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t wear orange because I was wearing the shirt I decorated for our skit thing for my club (which we did end up winning, yay!). But once I realized it was going way over, I tried to check the score on my phone until it died out on me. Had my iPod, but it’s wifi only (no 3G) and the school we were at had it set so you had to log in to the wireless.

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by Chemistry66 on Apr 9, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats for winning the skit, though

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 9, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. Took the pain of not winning any of the other awards we were up for, and not being voted to hold the event next spring, away.

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by Chemistry66 on Apr 9, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Signature change. Totally deserved.

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by Chemistry66 on Apr 9, 2011 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Just some fun Atlantic Division stats for you:
Neither the Rangers, Penguins nor Islanders won the Atlantic Division from 1994 to 2007; a 12 year span. Devils won it 7 times, Flyers won it 5 times. And, over the last 17 seasons (since the Atlantic Division was created in 1993), the Rangers and Penguins have only won the Division once each. The remaining 15 seasons, has been won by either the Devils or Flyers. Those are some serious marks of consistency.

So, Flyers fans, don’t take the Division title for granted considering the the Devs and Pens have only won it once and the Isles have never won it. It is a wonderful accomplishment.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 9, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

FTFY

So, Flyers fans, don’t take the Division title for granted considering the the DevsRags and Pens have only won it once and the Isles have never won it. It is a wonderful accomplishment.

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by Chemistry66 on Apr 9, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops.

Thanks for the proof read :)

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 9, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank god this regular season is over!

Any idea when the first game could be?

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by MJDII on Apr 9, 2011 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Thursday. Sixers play at home on Wednesday.

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by mikefive on Apr 9, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else happy for the extra day? Not only for Pronger, but for us ourselves? I’m drained from witnessing the last couple of weeks of erratic play.

Still, new season now – GO FLYERS!

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t you mean YOU LOVE THE MESZAROS?

He was like saving his best for tonight, when like he knew that like all the like haters would come out in full force because he like Won the like Barry Ashbee Trophy and stuff. Like.

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by mikefive on Apr 9, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

But Mike Green is edgy! He has tattoos! A mohawk! A vespa! Edgy!

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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 9, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t have any of those things and I’m a billion times more edgy than Mike Green.

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by mikefive on Apr 9, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, obviously, but calling yourself edgy = not edgy.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Apr 10, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Edgy?

That edgy?

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by Chemistry66 on Apr 9, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He lost all his edge in that photo

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by ToddtheFox on Apr 9, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say more like he and the edge became one.

I love that photo though. It’s like he’s hitting the board and instead of squirting out blood it’s snow. Cool effect

/Forensic Science blood stuff

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by Lindbergh 31 on Apr 10, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better him than us.

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That is just begging for a Fail caption

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by The Dark on Apr 10, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calling a Vespa ‘edgy’ is probably the most hipster thing I’ve heard all week. Harley, yes. Vespa … uh, NO.

Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.

by MaximumTalbot on Apr 10, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Rangers beat the Caps our run could become a lot easier… (assuming we pick up our game for the playoffs).

Anyway, now to hope that the Blackhawks get knocked down to ninth just for kicks (or at least stay in 8th so that they face Vancouver in the first round).

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Apr 9, 2011 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Gosh I’d love to see Tampa beat the Penguins. It would make my life.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 9, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Boston/Montreal series could be a heck of a series, too. The matchups are certainly interesting. And I too would be happy to see the Lightning take them out.

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 9, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Washington/NY Rangers series is going to be interesting. I am glad the Flyers are avoiding the Rangers (for now) because I think the Rangers are very capable of doing damage in the East. Washington better be very careful.

The Montreal/Boston series is going to be a classic. Historic rivals with recent bad blood makes for an awesome playoff matchup.

Not sure what to expect from the Tampa/Pittsburgh matchup. I’d imagine the Penguins will outwork the Lightening and cruise past them. My heart, obviously hopes for the opposite result.

I like our chances against the Sabres. Miller is awesome but we should be able to beat him. I am a little worried about Buffalo’s speed and the way they exploited out defense last night. But, I get the sense that their isn’t much bad blood between these two teams and the emotion will not be overflowing as if it would in a series against the Rags. I like that because it is one less distraction for the Flyers to handle. At this point, they just need to play simple hockey and get back on the rails. This Buffalo series might be just what they need.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 10, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

There were some tough series in the Lindros/Hasek era. I don’t think much blood since then.

by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 10, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Buffalo eliminated the Flyers in the first season after the Lock Out in the first round but that seems so long ago and the teams are so different now.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 10, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Briere’s switched teams, for starters.

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by Justin F. on Apr 10, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering Briere’s track record in the playoffs, I’m hoping a series against his old team is exactly what he needs to start a playoff-scoring-leading month.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Apr 10, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think for Briere it will be. He always says how he likes high pressure games. This is obviously his niche and I think he’ll tear it up this post-season.

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by phinally on Apr 10, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Flyers have lost two straight series to Buffalo – 2001 and 2006.

We have also lost three of the last four – lost in 1998, won in 2000, then the last two series.

I don’t think we ever lost to them before that. Off the top of my head, I want to say the Flyers beat them in 1975, 1977, 1995, and 1997.

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by mikefive on Apr 10, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was watching the Stanley Cup-clinching game in ’75 against the Sabres before and after the game (and in between periods). It was heaven to witness the win again. :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know where 1. came from – I typed number 3 with the number sign and ended up with ‘1.’ – strange…

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come on man it’s the playoffs and you need to get focused. And never fix typos anymore. Sophiejo and myself have a pact against corrections. Just let it roll out there.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

You got it! :)

(I’m still mystified by what happened, though – there are strange hidden keyboard commands here on this site…)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Buffalo’s underlying numbers since the deadline are elite, fwiw.

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by red army line on Apr 10, 2011 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geoff, just to be clear, you say that when Prongs comes back, SOD sits? I don’t think Lavi does that, but I agree Syvret belongs in the lineup.

by NickFotiu4HOF on Apr 9, 2011 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Just my opinion, but I don’t see Pronger willingly missing a playoff game unless something is really wrong.

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 9, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, although, I would much rather him sit out the first few games of the playoffs than have him rush back and not be at full strength. We can manage without him for a few games but I don’t want any injuries to be reaggravated and lose him for the a chunk (or the rest of the playoffs). Unfortunately, when Pronger wants something, he gets it so it will really be up to him.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 9, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but I wouldn’t want to be the person who tries to tell him he shouldn’t play. /shudders

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 9, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just have somebody the Sabres deliver the message (preferably their best player). Give one of them an envelope with instructions to deliver to Chris Pronger and wait for his response. Pronger will read it and subsequently elbow said messenger in the head, instantly knocking him out for the remainder of the series.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Apr 10, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree about the first couple of games. The way this Flyers team has been playing (let’s not let tonight’s win cloud our view of that) doesn’t exactly bode well. Given that, it’s incredibly important that the Flyers win their two home games to start the playoffs. I think if Pronger plays those two games and the Flyers win them, then it may be worthwhile resting him (which might also be seen as a jinx-worthy show of arrogance) to prevent him from tiring out or reaggravating injuries. But considering that the Flyers’ decline has coincided somewhat with Pronger’s absence, I think keeping Pronger out and losing your two home games would be, in hindsight, considered an unforgiveable move.

Basically what I’m saying is we can’t assume we’re going to make it out of the first round, even though we should. You go all in when you enter the playoffs.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Apr 10, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Basically what I’m saying is we can’t assume we’re going to make it out of the first round, even though we should. You go all in when you enter the playoffs.

This is a good point. They can’t have the attitude that they need to rest Pronger for a future series. You take it one series at time because you never know if you’ll get to that next series. But, if his injury is affecting the way he plays and he is not as effective as he should be, rushing him back could be detrimental to the team’s chances of winning against Buffalo. If he can’t puck handle and pass because that hand is bothering him, he won’t be helping the team. Then again, he is The Pronger and his legend knows no bounds, so who knows . . .

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 10, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would be VERY surprised if Lavi decided to sit SOD in favor of DSOD in the playoffs unless it was out of necessity because of an injury. He hasn’t sat him at all the entire season so doubt he would do it in the playoffs. Lavi seems to have unwaivering confidence in SOD. It will be nice for SOD to be partnered up with a more capable partner again like Mez. Hopefully that will provide good cover for the Old Bones O’Donnell.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 9, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he gives SOD a chance to play himself out of the #6 spot, starting Thursday.

by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 10, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

It will be nice for SOD to be partnered up with a more capable partner again like Mez.

Are you saying DSOD is not a capable partner??

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 10, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some partners enhance their partner’s game, cover for their mistakes and make their partner look good. Others just do their job. Mez is the former, DSOD is the latter.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Apr 10, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Well said.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 10, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is: Mez needs his partner to cover his mistakes as well. I agree, Mez – DSOD isn’t an optimal pairing. But saying SOD needs Mez to cover his mistakes… the same is true of Mez need SOD.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 10, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

But saying SOD needs Mez to cover his mistakes… the same is true of Mez need SOD.

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by j reed on Apr 10, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha, Matt Carle is, in fact, a beast.

The point is: everyone needs someone to cover their mistakes. Would you rather have a guy make mistakes in the offensive zone (DSOD) or defensive zone (SOD)?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 10, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya know, we had this conversation a while ago, and I fully agreed with you. Now … I wonder. Watching DSOD tonight make some pretty good reads, some responsible defenive plays, and watching ALL the Flyers defensemen cycle deep into the offensive zone … maybe DSOD would be an upgrade. I’m just not sure.

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by MaximumTalbot on Apr 10, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to go with the guy Lavi prolly won’t pick who happens to be younger and nearing his prime years, is faster and will take less time to recover from fatigue.

by j reed on Apr 10, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not yet…

(You see what I did there?)

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 10, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m saying he should, though he won’t.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 10, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

After watching Grabner this season I kept wondering what kind of team Florida would have if they tried to keep some players around.

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by darkside3744 on Apr 10, 2011 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

The same can be said for the Isles. They drafted Roberto Luongo! Who knows where they would be if they’d have kept him around and signed him to an 18 year contract instead of DiPietro.

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by Mitchell Green on Apr 10, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leftover from last season’s Lidge appearances.

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by doubleh on Apr 10, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean two years ago. 2009 was more so The Year Of The Antacid as far as Lidgey-Poo was concerned.

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by mikefive on Apr 10, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Woo

This was more of a nailbiter through 2 than I would have liked, but it’s not like the NYI don’t have good offensive players. Buffalo won’t be easy—but praise be to the hockey gods that there’s no TB in round 1.

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by doubleh on Apr 10, 2011 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I caught this game at the bar, so couldn’t hear anything.

What was the interaction between Konopka getting his punk ass thrown out of the game, and some random fan, who Konopka kept heading back out to yell at?

by BroadStreetBully on Apr 10, 2011 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Not sure, just looked like what you saw, no one said anything. Guy was snapping a pic, probably made a boneheaded comment to Konopka. Guy was pissed, getting thrown out. Never a good idea

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by JerseyDriver on Apr 10, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I couldn’t really figure out what was going on either. I was hoping for another Tie Domi incident, bud sadly nothing that exciting came of it.

by FooFighter1124 on Apr 10, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 10, 2011 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

……………wow

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by jello44 on Apr 10, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is crazy. Now if this was without the influence of alcohol, double wow.

Videos for future blackmail are always good… lol

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by Lindbergh 31 on Apr 10, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I don’t have video. I’m going to ask for it though.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 10, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that will need to be posted on the site immediately.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

My source has no video.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 10, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn! Was there any surveillance or ATM cameras? There always are on CSI.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and Geoff they have morning links over on Die by the Blade on Sundays and Saturdays. Just saying.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, because what else is there to do in Buffalo?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 10, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point! And even game thread only get a whopping 22 comments?

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, haha, they are the Sabres.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 10, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, because what else is there to do in Buffalo?

Boy, that is the truth. I went there about 10 years ago, and I couldn’t believe how little there was to do, even downtown.

I sincerely hope it has gotten a little better over the years, but I fear it may not have. They really have never recovered from the manufacturing sector collapse of the 70’s and 80’s.

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You were so bored you wanted to beat up a cab driver. Shit happens!

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hahahaha! :)

Fortunately, my last name isn’t “Kane”.

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of which I want to beat them for the sake of him being from their. I have to add that to my random thoughts.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it! :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best part: his source is my girlfriend, who drunk texted him from my phone.

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by Travis Hughes on Apr 10, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why you gotta reveal my sources?? Not very journalistic of you.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 10, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

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by Travis Hughes on Apr 11, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we win the Cup….BSH might lose him to off, off, off Broadway

by j reed on Apr 10, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I consider that a fair trade.

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by doubleh on Apr 10, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hell, I’d take that trade too.

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by Travis Hughes on Apr 10, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOOOO!!!!!! ATLANTIC CHAMPS!!!!!

I was actually in Columbus tonight (with my Dad) at the BlueJackets finale against the Sabres. Was diligently checking my phone all night for the Flyers score. Buffalo scares me a bit, but I’m going to enjoy our division crown for a bit before I worry about what comes next.

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by chillicothe20 on Apr 10, 2011 2:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I can’t wait for this post-season. Everything has gone by so fast since the Kane fiasco; seems like it was just yesterday. This year lets make it 2 more wins. On paper, i’ll take us over anyone and I hope that translates onto the ice.

The Caps can take their win streak to get number one and I’ll take our domination of them last game. Boston can remember last years playoffs and then remember it can happen again with the Rags and then again and again. Pitt isn’t on the right side of Pennsylvania. It’s too warm in Tampa to keep the ice cold. Montreal. And the Rangers just lost their best player.

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by phinally on Apr 10, 2011 2:37 AM EDT reply actions  

On the Radio last night, Saunders, i think, said Buffalo wanted to play us because they feel they have our number basically. Well bring it on Sabres, time to take it up a notch or two!

Powe!, right in the kisser!

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by UKFlyer on Apr 10, 2011 6:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Was on the road last night so I had to listen to the radio feed. Gotta love Tim Saunders – he scooooooooooooooooooooores! Can’t wait for Game 1 against the Sabres.

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by LVHokejs on Apr 10, 2011 7:05 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s brilliant. I listen to more games and than i watch and he’s definitely one of the best.

Powe!, right in the kisser!

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by UKFlyer on Apr 10, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Tim and Bundy are excellent.

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by ToddtheFox on Apr 10, 2011 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean Tim, Bundy and The voice of Bill Barber

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you hear that? It was fantastic

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by ToddtheFox on Apr 10, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have long believed that Therien hung around for as long as he did because he is a truly funny guy everyone likes. Other then that he should still be sending Desjardin half of his paycheck and never relinquish the photos he has of Jagr.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Random thoughts:
I have made a promise to myself that the playoffs are a fresh start and I am putting my doubt and anger behind me for however long this lasts. One caveat is if they stink the joint up and repeat the performance from the last time we played the Sabres. And I didn’t blame all that on Czechmnek.

I am not thinking that if Pronger is on the fence he should play. This team should be plenty good enough to beat the Sabres in a seven game series without him. So if another week makes him stronger for what should be a way tougher series against Boston they should wait.

I am expecting Briere to be just historical because he kills Buffalo and expect it to continue.

I am the type of person that needs to cut my pancakes into perfectly equal wedges before I put syrup on them and eat them. Very random but I just made myself three of the most fantastic pancakes in history.

Someone needs to plant that gnome gerbe into the second row first shift he is on just bnto show that we are bigger, meaner and taking no prisoners.

I would like to see someone drop the gloves with Montador in the first game. Either SOD or maybe Hartnell. He is an instigator and I think it will send a message.

I am going on a buffalo wing boycott until this is over and that is a serious thing. I meet friends for wings most monday nights at capone’s in Norristown and if you have had their bee sting wings you would know what i mean.

The team needs to help Bob out no matter what happens. They need to let him play through a quick two goal deficit if he is gittery in the first period of the first game. They need to score to show him they got his back.

The fucking switch needs to be turned on this week people because we demand it and we deserve it. Take no prisoners Flyers this has to get done.

LET’S GO FLYERS!

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Added random thought:

I want to beat the hell out of Buffalo because Patrick “the cabbie hater” Kane is from that dump.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t watch the game last night either.

Did anyone else watch “Outside the Lines” this morning? They are talking about concussions in hockey/youth hockey and raising the age to 13 to start checking to try and eliminate concussions. I found it very interesting.

by JLS89 on Apr 10, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

We decided that last 10 games doesn’t mean anything right? Because of the playoff teams Buffalo is #1 and we are #15 (and if Detroit wins today we will be #16). A lot of predictors will look at that and decide this is the matchup most likely to produce an upset.

by flyersfaninchicago on Apr 10, 2011 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Time to go to the barber shop and get a close shave, erasing the beard that has been growing and trimming with the ups and downs of the season. Fresh start for the flyers and my face! I want an epic beard, flyers. You hear me? EPIC

by Derek F on Apr 10, 2011 9:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Anyone else watching other games today. I am really hoping Chicago loses and Dallas wins. Detroit doesn’t usually lose two games in a row especially to the same opponent. And Dallas shouldn’t be in if they cant beat the Wild. Should be an entertaining day of Hockey.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, the scenarios for Chicago and Dallas are fun to examine.

Of the 6 possible results for any team in any game, 5 of them get Chicago into the post-season – only a regulation loss put them at risk (but, it’s just that – at risk; they could still get in depending what Dallas does later).

From Dallas’ perspective, if the Hawks lose in regulation, only 2 of the 6 scenarios get them in, i.e., not only do they have to win, it matters how they win. The have to win in regulation or OT to claim the last spot; winning in a SO means they lose out on the 8-seed on a tiebreaker.

Can you imagine? We could have the most tense 5-minute overtime in history if Chicago loses in regulation, but Dallas is unable to win in regulation and their game with Minnesota goes to overtime. Dallas would have to win in OT – winning in the SO would mean nothing at all.

Even more poetic, the Stars/Wild game is the very last game of the regular season – it doesn’t even begin until 6 p.m. EDT.

I’m kind of rooting for this bizarre scenario. :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you are the coach of the Stars, and you’re in OT and know winning before the end of the OT is the only way to go to the playoffs, do you pull your goalie towards the end of the OT period? It’s interesting because all they need is a simple EN to win the game, but if you don’t put it in the net you don’t go to the playoffs. Has a goalie ever been pulled in OT ever?

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by Lindbergh 31 on Apr 10, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if one point won’t do it, yes you pull the guy. Gives you a chance, because if you lose you’re out, and if you tie you’re out as well.

G, the second coming of Foppa.

by JerseyDriver on Apr 10, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last Year on this final day of the Regular season

I was pulling into a parking lot in Jersey somewhere to meet up with some BSHers for the first ever pick up game. And then we were off to PJ’s to watch the game. That was some crazy day man. I forget who was all there?
Me, DG(Jen), Broadstreet and his girl, darkside?, Vansteel(of course). I know there were more but I forget. What a game and PJ’s was going nuts.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

As far as who came to PJs with us? Shaun was there, and dysnomic (who doesn’t post too much).

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 10, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Beatniche was also there. I think there were 8 of us, cause I did a shot for everyone there that wouldn’t. (which was everyone, I think….you guys made me feel like an alcoholic)

I'm kind of a dick.

by Vansteel on Apr 10, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually beatniche took Travis and Geoff to the game that day I believe.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, I think you’re right. Whatever, I was drunk.

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by Vansteel on Apr 10, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me, you, Shaun, M, darkside, BroadStreetBully, his girl, and dysnomic is 8 people… But yeah you were definitely in that zone where I start thinking “should I really let him drive?”. Although I admittedly didn’t know you as well then, haha. I know, I know, I’m overprotective of people who are older and bigger than me and should be able to take care of themselves…. I swear it’s an Italian thing.

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 10, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another interesting tidbit

By winning last night, we got the 2-seed in the East, but also the 3-seed overall in the NHL.

In other words, if we get to the SCF and Vancouver doesn’t, we would have home ice against any other Western Conference team.

Long time between now and then, but, still, good to know. :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

what a testament to how well we played this season, we basically sucked @$$ the past two weeks, and STILL FINISHED 3RD! awesome.

by BobbyDucati on Apr 10, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am in amazement over it as well. It does show how well we did play in the first 50-60 games of the season.

Let’s translate that into playoff series wins now! :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

what a testament to how well we played this season, we basically sucked @$$ the past two weeks two months, and STILL FINISHED 3RD! awesome.

FTFY

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

DHL line

I know its a bit late, but how about calling the Briere line the “Delivery line” ? DHL is a shipping company and that line delivers. (get it? haha) Danny, Hartnell, Leino

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by Matt 'Puckhead' on Apr 10, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I like it!

Powe!, right in the kisser!

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by UKFlyer on Apr 10, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded. :)

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t we vote something about tastykakes? That obviously went over really big.

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by MJDII on Apr 10, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought the voting fell apart, don’t remember it actually ending. Call the line what you want, and I thought DHL was one of the ones someone suggested very early on. Still like Redemption best.

G, the second coming of Foppa.

by JerseyDriver on Apr 10, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we had shot that down since DHL doesn’t do domestic delivery anymore? I guess you could still get away with it though, the company still exists

by DragonGirl0583 on Apr 10, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t leave this thread without mentioning that Bobrovsky did suck and it has been glossed over. We may well have lost that game had he stayed in goal.

/JustfortheRecord.

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by Rockkon on Apr 10, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re completely entitled to your opinion, but I, for one, don’t agree with it.

The defense in front of Bob was god-awful last night – they finally played a bit better once Boucher came in.

Bob will be fine for the playoffs.

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by Orange and Black Forever on Apr 10, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely this. One was a 5-3 PP (two seconds after technically—on a horrible cal) and the other was a breakaway. Not sure what happened on the third, but the D wasn’t helping at all up until that point. Someone (maybe Geoff) made the point that as soon as Boosh got in, he started freezing every puck he grabbed, to slow the tempo and get some control back. Worked like a charm, and I hope it was another lesson learned for Bob.

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by JerseyDriver on Apr 10, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Show your evidence.

A breakaway goal to Grabner who scores a lot of them, a 5v3 goal, and a goal where the puck went to a guy left alone on the back post. Which of these goals were bad?

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Apr 10, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

But his eyes, Todd! You just don’t get it!

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by Justin F. on Apr 10, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s eyes need to be checked more? The guy who says a goalie pulled during the game played badly or the guy who insists all the goals against were miracles?

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by Rockkon on Apr 11, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

As evidence, I submit the fact that he got pulled from the game.

He was horrible. DiPietro stopped numerous breakaways, Bobrovsky didn’t. Remember the article (in Russian) that showed a picture of his girlfriend?

In it he was quoted as saying he does not say anything when he is tired. we all waited to see what would happen when he played tired and we saw he played like shit.

He will get tired again in the playoffs and play like shit, yet again.

Add to this the Flyers love of drama and I see a Leighton redemption arc forming in the clouds.

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by Rockkon on Apr 11, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guess what? I watched that game very closely and recorded the scoring chances.

He was horrible. DiPietro stopped numerous breakaways, Bobrovsky didn’t.

At the point Bob was pulled, both had faced one breakaway. Dipietro allowed a goal to Hartnell, Bobrovsky to Grabner.

At the point Bob was pulled, the Flyers had 5 scoring chances (1 PP chance) and scored on 3, the Islanders had 4 scoring chances (2 on the PP) and scored on 3.

The only goal you could possibly fault him on was the Tavares one, but even then he made the first save on a bad angle shot and the puck managed to squeak through to an unmarked Tavares. I watched that play at least 10 times trying to figure out what happened, but couldn’t be sure. The only thing I thought he could have done better was ensure that the pad horizontal to the ice was squarer to the puck. Leaving a man unmarked at the top of the crease, I’m not sure who was supposed to be on him but Briere was near enough that it could have been him, can’t be blamed on Bob.

I am almost certain Lavy pulled Bob to wake the team up, not because he was playing like crap.

Now what was your evidence?

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by ToddtheFox on Apr 11, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am almost certain Lavy pulled Bob to wake the team up, not because he was playing like crap.

I am almost certain Lavy pulled Bob because he was playing like crap.

Great teams find a way to win. A goalie is the most important part of that. If Bob stops that breakaway, that could be the thing needed to “wake the team up”. As it was, he let the lowly Islanders tie us up 3-3.

When you do the stats don’t you get frustrated at the games we should have won but found a way to lose?

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by Rockkon on Apr 11, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Bob stops that breakaway, that could be the thing needed to "wake the team up".

It’s awesome that Bob is being blamed for not stopping a breakaway.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 11, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you really surprised though?

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Apr 11, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, because if the Flyers had Ryan Miller, everybody would be still be calling for Leighton.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 11, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, if you think allowing a breakaway goal to Michael Grabner is the worst thing a goalie could do then you need to reassess the role of a goaltender on a hockey team.

I am almost certain Lavy pulled Bob because he was playing like crap.

What was your evidence that he was playing like crap?

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by ToddtheFox on Apr 11, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The breakaway goal, duh.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 11, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He went down early. That made it simple for Grabner to lift it over him. And, maybe I am stringing this together with his past 2-3 shootout losses where it seemed he didn’t stop a shot.

Either way, no player on any team thinks we are invincible. We are not, but it is extremely disheartening to see that even the Islanders think they can take a win away from us.

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He went down early. That made it simple for Grabner to lift it over him.

That’s one goal. Which the team didn’t even help him on. You know, as they should.

And, maybe I am stringing this together with his past 2-3 shootout losses where it seemed he didn’t stop a shot.

There are no shootouts in the playoffs, so what does this matter? There is no discernible skill in the shootout, unless you’re prepared to say Marc Denis is awesome.

We are not, but it is extremely disheartening to see that even the Islanders think they can take a win away from us.

Why?? The Islanders took the Penguins to a shootout the night before. They beat the Rangers 6-2 and the Lightning 5-2. They beat Boston 4-2, and took Washington to a shootout all in the last month. This is hockey. There is parity. Any team can beat any team on any night. If teams didn’t think they could win, the players would be fired and in the AHL.

It’s ridiculous to say “I’m upset because the Islanders think they can beat us. Even though they took Pittsburgh and Washington to shootouts and beat Boston and Tampa Bay.” It’s irrational.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 12, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no discernible skill in the shootout, unless you’re prepared to say Marc Denis is awesome.

This, but also: Bob saved 47.1% of the shootout shots he faced. Ryan Miller saved 50.0%.

by Eric T. on Apr 12, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I was looking for. 47%? That’s good, a lot better than I thought based on recent games.

I think the skill displayed (or not) is the goalies.

Do you happen to know the league average?

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I was looking for. 47%? That’s good, a lot better than I thought based on recent games.

In other words, he might not suck as much as you think?

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Apr 12, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I admit it. If he is stopping 47% of the breakaways he sees, then that might be good depending on the league average.

But, when he lets in a softie and does not get grilled for it, I feel I have to speak against him twice as loud.

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No no, 47% is terrible.

But Geoff was referring to this article, which features this quote about whether goalies exhibit a talent for shootouts:

We can see that no goalie is appreciably outside the bounds. (NB: tolerance bounds might be a better choice here as would some consideration for multiple comparisons.) Marc Denis is the goalie that sits on the lower blue line at (41,0.146). So what we are seeing is that the variability in goalie save percentages is roughly what we would expect for a binomial process. Again this does not suggest that there is not skill differences between players (in this case goalies) but it does mean that the randomness (or noise) of the shootout is completely dominating the skill of the players.

by Eric T. on Apr 12, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

When this is the summary:

The basic model can be summarized as:
 yi ~ Bernoulli (pi)
pi = Phi(µ+ak+bj)
(µ,a,b)T~ MVN
 
where yi is the outcome of the ith shot (1=goal, 0=no goal) taken by shooter j and faced by goalie k, pi is the probability that the ith shot is a goal, Phi is the cumulative Normal distribution, µ is the overall mean effect, ak is the effect of the kth goalie and bj is the effect of the jth shooter. The prior distribution, N(0,100), on the parameters µ, a, and b is a very flat one for the probit scale. This model follows Albert and Chib (1993) and was fit using MCMCprobit from the MCMCpack package in R.

It can be assumed you lost me. In my defense, though, if you cannot tell the difference in shot accuracy between Sydney Crosby and Jody Shelley while watching a shootout, maybe your data collection methods needs some work.

So, we agree that Bob and his 47% are terrible?

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that 47% is terrible. But what that study shows is that if you flip random coins, you get the same distribution of results as what we actually observe — the only outlier is the above-expectation play of Marc Denis.

So unless you’re prepared to argue that Marc Denis is an outstanding goalie, you have to reach the conclusion that we don’t get enough shootout samples to have any idea whether Bob is any good at it.

by Eric T. on Apr 12, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s one goal.

Yes, but it is the timing of the goal. The whole team was like WTF?!?

There is no discernible skill in the shootout

Like I mentioned below, the shootouts are a look at the goalies. There’s no way I ever would have thought Bobrovsky was running at 47%.

Why do I want the Flyers to be dominate? I want them to be so dominate that teams give up beofre they hit the ice. I want them sweating over the fact that they have not scored a goal on Bob (or Boosh) for over 5 years running.

I want these teams to beat themselves before the Flyers even skate a lap.

If we have this far to go with the non-playoff teams, I cannot see this scenario ever playing out with the Caps or Pens.

It’s irrational.

Maybe rationality is overrated.

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but it is the timing of the goal.

So if it had happened sometime else during the game, you wouldn’t be hating?

There’s no way I ever would have thought Bobrovsky was running at 47%.
So maybe he doesn’t suck as much as you think?
Maybe rationality is overrated.
hahahahahahahahahaha

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by hintzy64 on Apr 12, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You say Bobrovsky had a bad game because one goal, scored on a breakaway, was ill-timed.

You want NHL teams, made of players making at least half a million dollars a year, to be so scared, they do not even play.

You want one guy to have a shutout streak of five years.

You don’t like that the Flyers beat the Islanders because it means they can’t beat the Caps or Pens, despite the Caps and Pens needing a shootout to beat the Islanders? Transitive property, anyone?

You admit to being irrational. Awesome. I don’t believe I’ll be responding to you any time soon then.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 12, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for responding as much as you have.

I said Bobrovsky had a terrible game. He was pulled from the game in which I thought he played terribly.

I want the opposition to come into the Flyers home barn with FUD. Fear, uncertainty and doubt in their abilities.

I want our goalies inside the heads of players. I’m not asking for shutouts, but I am asking that our goalies stop the opposition players from scoring consistently.

I love the fact that the Flyers beat the Islanders. I hate the fact that the Flyers let the Islanders catch up and tie 3-3. That should not have happened, in my opinion.

Later.

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He went down early. That made it simple for Grabner to lift it over him.

I suggest you watch the highlights and try again because this is simply false. I’ll even provide the link. It goes 5 hole for flips sake.

What is see there is a weak effort by Leino on the blueline to turn the puck over and Grabner scoring yet another breakaway goal.

To your point below

Yes, but it is the timing of the goal. The whole team was like WTF?!?

Maybe the team shouldn’t have allowed a breakaway at that time then.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Apr 12, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You stat guys…watch the damn game! You can’t always quantify where a shot went with a number like ‘5’, sometimes you just have to watch!

by Eric T. on Apr 12, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, this guy has not been correct once.

All I do is watch the games!

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Apr 12, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see a Leighton redemption arc forming in the clouds

I knew Leighton’s name would come out of you eventually. It was sooner than I expected.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Apr 11, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, we don’t have many other choices.

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by Rockkon on Apr 11, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought there was this other guy. Name starts with ‘B’. Can’t put my finger on it…

But seriously, the second you started hating on Bob, I knew you were gonna call for putting Leighton in. Very predictable.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Apr 11, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we all agreed that Boucher was a good backup goaltender.

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by Rockkon on Apr 11, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we all agreed Leighton was a mediocre backup to the backup goaltender.

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by LeepinLizardz on Apr 11, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why Leighton is in the press box and not on the bench.

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by hintzy64 on Apr 11, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Touche

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s the thing with Leighton… I remember reading about how he was applauded for his effort by the Philadelphia fans when he attended a Phillies game soon after letting in the heartbreaking, dream-dashing goal.

After the dust settled, the front office signed Leighton to a multi-year, multi-million dollar deal.

My opinion is that Leighton waited to reveal his back problems until after getting the big money. I think the front office took that as a slight and banished him from the NHL.

I think Paul Holgrem and Ed Snider will always do what is right for the team, which is why Leighton is tasting the NHL life once again.

If Bobrovsky/Boucher falter, Leights will play in the playoffs.

Depending on how pissed the front office still is, Leighton may play all of next year in the minors again.

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So this is why you think there will be a “Leighton redemption arc forming in the clouds?” If Bobrovsky/Boucher falter (if), you say they’ll put him in, but then ship him back to the minors next year. That doesn’t sound like much redemption to me.

Not to mention that none of this has anything to do with how he is in net, which is what we were talking about…

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by hintzy64 on Apr 12, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, for me the redemption arc would be Leighton getting to play. He plays above his head and leads us to the Finals. In the Finals, he leads us to victory.

I cannot see the Flyers, or the NHL, stepping away from the drama that would create.

But, I also don’t rule out Ed Snider finding some excuse or reasoning from shipping him away at the start of the next season… if he is still pissed enough.

Just my thoughts.

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

:) They will give Leighton his moment in the sun.. the news interviews, the parade, all that good stuff.

Then, one night someone slips in and puts a hood over his head and bum-rushes him back to Glen Falls.

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed. But you bolded the wrong word, if you wanted to differentiate Boucher from Leighton.

Bob.

by The Dark on Apr 11, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being here in Los Angeles, I was following Emery and his amazing comeback. I was at the Ducks game where he got hurt.

I hope he gets better and can finish his playing career… Way off topic, sorry.

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by Rockkon on Apr 12, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also it was the second of a back to back. He really had no business being out there.

by j reed on Apr 10, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the first place.

by j reed on Apr 10, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might run into one of those in the playoffs.

G, the second coming of Foppa.

by JerseyDriver on Apr 10, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Usually not. They’re pretty good at keeping them 2 days apart.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Apr 11, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but wasn’t game 7 in at least one series last year back to back?

G, the second coming of Foppa.

by JerseyDriver on Apr 11, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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