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The Flyers' tacit admission of mishandling Sergei Bobrovsky

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In case you missed it in this morning's Fly By, there was an article from NHL.com on the Flyers' goalies and what the team will look to do over the summer. In it, Peter Laviolette, Brian Boucher, and Jeff Reese gave some interesting quotes, most of which were harmless.

But there was one in particular that caught my attention. After Reese explained that Sergei Bobrovsky went through a lot this year, and was quite impressive given all the challenges he faced, Reese dropped this line:

"The Buffalo series, we pulled him out because we wanted to give him a little rest, a little time of [sic] to sit and watch," said Reese. "Then he came back strong in the Boston series, I thought he played very well. He just got a little bit of a rest, that's what he needed."

Now, there are two things here. One, the team "wanted to give [Bobrovsky] a little rest" and "that's what he needed." Two, the team "wanted to give him... a little time of to sit and watch." Ignoring the fact that one can "sit and watch" from the bench, let's look a little deeper at the team wanting to give Bobrovsky some rest.

The Flyers decided they wanted to give him rest after Game 2 of the first round. This is after they started him in each of the final four games of the regular season, six of the last seven and ten of the last 12. During the final three weeks of the season, Bobrovsky started ten games. In other words, the team started Bobrovsky on a playoff schedule three weeks early, after he had already started 42 games -- or seven more than he had ever done in a season before.

If the Flyers "wanted to give Bobrovsky a little rest", wouldn't a late-season game against the Islanders, Thrashers, or Senators have been a good chance to do that? If the team was going to ride him like it was the playoffs for the final three weeks of the season, but thought he was too tired to sit on the bench -- let alone start a game -- after only seventy minutes of the actual playoffs, isn't that an indictment of the coaches?

How did Bobrovsky do during this stretch? He stopped 91.3 percent of all shots he faced. Over his final eight regular season games, he stopped 92.0 percent. Did he look tired? Absolutely. Because in Bobrovsky's final three games, he gave up eleven goals in three games, stopping only 85.1 percent of all shots. He finished the year 0-2-2 and looked bad doing it, but the Flyers started him in Game 82 against the Islanders anyway.

Was Bob tired by the time Game 2 against Buffalo rolled around? Probably. If the team was worried about his stamina, maybe they should have thought about that before starting him ten times in three weeks. Even then, does his overuse warrant putting him in a suit?

No. This is a tacit admission that the Flyers completely mishandled Bobrovsky down the stretch.

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Are we sure there isn’t a connection between them saying he needed a little rest and Bob’s quotes about not quite being over what happened in Game 2? I’ll link back to the series of quotes from Teemu’s twitter here. They may be saying that those quotes were their indication that he needed rest, I don’t know. It was also reported that Bob spent a lot of extra time working on things with Reese during the time he was scratched, so I’m not sure I can rule out that there wasn’t a connection somewhere.

There were certainly still mistakes made, though.

by DragonGirl0583 on May 10, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I am inclined to agree. I think there’s a lot we don’t know about what happened with him in Game 2.

If you saw someone with a penchant for jump roping have a nervous breakdown in the playoffs, you might give him some extended R&R, too.

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by Ben Rothenberg on May 10, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right. I’m saying that quote is complete and utter bullshit.

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by Geoff Detweiler on May 10, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree. I think this makes that quote all the more fitting. Of course he was upset but would get over it (just going off my memory of the quote, can’t read twitter at work)…First they run him into the ground and then they punish him for it.

by iJewJitsu on May 10, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if he was mishandled lets fucking get it right next year. We all know goaltending was not the only reason we lost in the 2nd round, but I am fucking sick and tired of the MS Hockey media writing about the Flyers LACK of goaltending. It’s also frustrating for the players not knowing who their last line of defense is from night to night.

There is no denying Bob has natural talent, because he has gotten to this point without ever having a formal goalie coach. Lets mold this clay into a fucking statue, k? He needs to work on being bigger in the net on some shots. Dude has great flexibility, speed and “scrunchiness”, but has to get stronger and be bigger in the net.

by Brave Fellow on May 10, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, here’s some MS Hocket Media taking a different tack: linky

Notable:

Teams who missed the playoffs despite spending $3.5 million or more on a single goalie:

Calgary (Miikka Kiprusoff – $5.88 million); Carolina (Cam Ward – $6.3M); Dallas (Kari Lehtonen – $3.5M); Edmonton (Nikolai Khabibulin – $3.75M); Florida (Vokoun – $5.7M); Minnesota (Niklas Backstrom – $6M); New Jersey (Martin Brodeur – $5.2M); NY Islanders (Rick DiPietro – $4.5M); Ottawa (Pascal Leclaire – $3.8M); St. Louis (Jaroslav Halak – $3.75M); Toronto (Giguere – $6M).

Their results varied, but it’s stunning that 11 out of the 14 teams who missed the playoffs spent big on a single goalie.

by Boundforbeach on May 10, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

B-b-b-but-but-but-we NEED a number one goalie! SCREW THE FACTS!

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by bdawk4ever on May 10, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time to Nitpick!

Geoff, I got nothin’ but love for ya, but you’re “lawyering” Reese’s words here a little bit.

Ignoring the fact that one can “sit and watch” from the bench

You know as well as I do that sitting and watching from the bench is a million times different than sitting and watching from the press box. If something goes wrong with your goaltender during the game, and you (as the backup) are “sitting and watching” from the bench, guess what? You ain’t sitting and watching any more. You’re playing in the game and not getting the rest you need.

Mentally, you don’t have that same pressure when you’re sitting in the press box. You don’t have to keep your focus at a certain level just in case you need to go into the game. So “sitting and watching” on the bench is not restive / restorative at all, if you think about it. You participate in warm-ups, you’re keeping your focus at a certain level “just in case,” and you’re lugging all that equipment around.

That said, I agree that Bob was mishandled down the stretch of the regular season. Hell, he was mishandled early in the season when he played infinity billion games in a row before flaming out against the Lightning in November.

And not to be all Brainy Smurf / MarioD on everyone here, but when it comes to Bob’s being relegated to the press box so he could rest and learn by watching playoff hockey, "I was right! IIIIII was riiiiight!!!!!!"

Bob has a ton of natural ability and he seems to have a great attitude. Those attributes speak well for his future, but unfortunately there’s no way to predict how things will turn out.

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by mikefive on May 10, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

What you are missing is that I don’t buy a word Jeff Reese says. They start him in Game 1, he plays great, then he gives up 3 goals in 12 minutes, and suddenly they realize he’s tired?

I ignored the “sit and watch” because, well, Leighton sat and watched Game 3. But you don’t make your Game One starting goalie a healthy scratched for Game Three because he’s tired.

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by Geoff Detweiler on May 10, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

and suddenly they realize he’s tired?

I understand where you’re coming from, but there may be more going on than what we saw / heard. Maybe Bob admitted off-the-record that he was exhausted. If that’s the case, then Reese’s lies are the whitest lies ever. Can you imagine what would happen in this town if Bob admitted to the press that he was exhausted? “OMG we nEvAr hav g00d gOLeEEZ! Trade him now!!!!”

If anything, I think Reese and the Flyers were shielding him a bit, and trying to make up for their own mistakes. They mishandled him at various points during the season; the least they could do was cover his ass when needed.

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by mikefive on May 10, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

While that’s highly possible – and commendable – I still don’t buy it. If he was just tired, you don’t need to put him in the press box.

In the quote, he twice said Bob needed a rest, only once saying they wanted him to sit and watch. If the team was truly protecting Bob, why would they create a bigger story by putting him in the press box? Why wouldn’t they go to him in Game 6 – where he was surely rested after sitting for a week?

I honestly think Jeff Reese had no idea anybody would read into his comments as much as I am, which is why I come out thinking a) The team knows they fucked up with him; and b) Jeff Reese is just bullshitting the reporter, saying what he thinks is the least controversial things.

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by Geoff Detweiler on May 10, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops

And not to be all Brainy Smurf / MarioD on everyone here, but when it comes to Bob’s being relegated to the press box so he could rest and learn by watching playoff hockey,

"I was right! IIIIII was riiiiight!!!!!!"

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by mikefive on May 10, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

The Flyers have good goaltending. His name is Sergei Bobrovsky. Play him next year.

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by Bettman's Nightmare on May 10, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Leighton under the knife AGAIN

According to Sarah Baicker, Leighton will have hip surgery…so the Flyers only have one goalie….Sergei Bobrovsky, the goalie of the present & future…if only the Flyers would realize it.

by flyersphan17 on May 10, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Johan Backlund has a one-way NHL contract next year, so technically, they have 2.

by DragonGirl0583 on May 10, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I fully understand how that might not inspire confidence in everybody, since he hasn’t had much NHL playing time.

by DragonGirl0583 on May 10, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

and only 41 games and 33 in the AHL the last 2 years. He’s not the answer obviously. Sigh.

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by Val_d'Or on May 10, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, good catch there Geoff. I had the feeling that playing him too much down the stretch wasn’t a good thing, and I wanted to see him rest a little more.

And regardless, he should’ve started Game 6 in Buffalo.

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by bdawk4ever on May 10, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

So here's a theory ...

Not really an original one, but taking others’ idea a step further.

So if Bob was tired, th ebest solution to continue his development at the NHL level is to ‘platoon’ him with another goalie right? And, better yet, perhaps someone who speaks his language better than Coatesy does?

There are two immediate names that jump out – Evgeni Nabokov and Semyon Varlamov. Nabokov is older (35), but his proven record in the NHL is quite good – averaging around a 2.25 GAA and a SV% close to .915. He’s currently under a deferred contract with the NY Islanders, whom he refused to join last season, for a bare $570,000 salary. Then we have Varlamov – much younger (23), with limited NHL experience of 59 games. In those 59 games (most of which in the last two seasons as a backup and all with Washington) he’s posted pretty impressive numbers as well: 2.42 GAA and .917 SV%, even behind the porous defense the Caps had before this season. His salary is somewhat undetermined, since he’s coming off his entry level salary of $821,667 as an RFA for 2011-2012.

Nabokov clearly doesn’t want to play for the Islanders. Would he accept a trade to the Flyers, or would that still not be a team he wishes to play for (a list which may run the gamut from Detroit all the way to the Red Wings, with no other stops); we just don’t know yet. His salary with the Isles is an outstanding deal for a goalie of his caliber, even if it is totally loaded with incentives. Is one year enough tutelage for Bob to get his feet under him? Remember that this past season was his FIRST in North America, let alone in the NHL. Would Nabokov resign for another year at the same salary if he performs well? Would he renegotiate another year as a condition to playing here? Lots of questions, not many answers.

Varlamov seems disinterested in staying in Washington for some reason – there has been speculation about him returning to the KHL next season. The Caps are apparently interested in getting Braden Holtby on the NHL roster, and resigned Michal Neuvirth, which seems to leave Varlamov as the odd-man-out. I saw a quote somewhere about him being interested in staying in the NHL, even if not with the Caps – so the opportunity is there to land him, at least from the player’s point of view. The Caps organization hasn’t made clear if they want to offer him the RFA qualifier, if Holtby needs AHL seasoning, or if they would rather get something in trade for Varlamov before he gives them the Russian equivalent of the middle finger and goes home.

I posit that either option would work for the Flyers. Nabokov could be an effective starting goalie while Bob gets more experience and works with Jeff Reese another season. Varlamov could be plenty effective in a tandem situation with Bob, and both could learn together. Either one comes with a manageable cap hit, less than even resigning Boucher would cost – and in my opinion, either would be an upgrade in skill level over Boosh as well (although not in those intangibles like ‘trust’ and ‘heart’ … maybe Boosh just needs a new mask?).

Thoughts? And sorry for the long comment – it’s not QUITE enough for a full fanpost.

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by MaximumTalbot on May 11, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Very interesting- though I think you should post it as a fanpost.

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by bdawk4ever on May 11, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

A) Love the idea of getting Semyon Varlamov. Last year, I wanted Michal Neuvirth – but figured it was an extreme longshot – and Varlamov just needs to stay healthy.

B) Bob being tired after starting 42 games, then starting 10 games in 21 days… to me, that shouldn’t be a “He isn’t ready to be a #1”. To me, that means: He wasn’t ready to be a #1 in his first season in NA. Give him rest this summer, work on his conditioning in camp. Would a platoon help? Absolutely. But it doesn’t have to be a strict 50/50. The Flyers rode Bob hard twice this year, with 12 straight starts in November, and 10 of 12 starts to end the year. You just have to use him better.

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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooh, I really like the idea of a Bob/Varlamov combo. Good suggestion.

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by hintzy64 on May 11, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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