Wednesday Morning Fly By: Philadelphia Has A Short Memory
by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Mike Richards will undergo surgery on his wrist: [Frequent Flyers]
- But he is under scrutiny: [Daily News]
- Even if his coach says he is not to blame: [Inquirer]
- And his GM says it's all made up: [Daily News]
- And Danny Briere says he's a good Captain: [Flyer Files]
- While the whole drama is nothing new in Philadelphia: [Flyers Faithful] [The Checking Line] [Philly Sports Daily]
- Four others, Kris Versteeg, Andrej Meszaros, Blair Betts, and Michael Leighton also need surgery: [Philly Sports Daily] [CSNPhilly] [Flyer Files] [Flyers Faithful] [PostStar.com] [Daily News]
- Ville Leino has an uncertain future with the Flyers: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Arguing that the Flyers are in trouble because of Chris Pronger's health issues: [CSNPhilly]
- And that Kimmo Timonen is seeing time run out on his quest to win a Stanley Cup: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Pronger expected a diagnosis yesterday, so we should hear something today: [Inquirer]
- Sam Donnellon writes about Brian Boucher and his missed opportunity: [Daily News ]
- Paul Holmgren says not to expect major changes: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Do you care that the Flyers lied about injuries? Is it a problem? [Philly Sports Daily]
- James van Riemsdyk scored a goal in his first game at the World Championships: [USA Hockey]
- Once again, there are questions around the goaltending. Once again, there are stories about the questions around the goaltending: [CSNPhilly] [Inquirer]
- Why the Flyers may not - and should not - go out and get a FA goalie: [ProHockeyTalk]
- Reader opinions on the Avery/Uptown Sports debacle: [Puck Daddy]
- Travis' thoughts on the controversy: [SBNation.com]
- More reactions on the controversy: [Deadspin]
- A recap of the past few days: [The700level.com]
- Elliotte Friedman gives 30 thoughts, including Richards downgrading from the C to an A, and Danny Syvret being unable to close his right eye during the playoffs: [CBCSports.ca]
- Philly.com writers voted on whether players should stay or go. Here are the results: [Pattison Ave.]
- The Coyotes will be staying in Phoenix for at least one more year: [SBNation.com] [Five for Howling] [Puck Daddy]
- Eric Lindros blames the NHL for the rise in concussions and cheap shots: [Puck Daddy]
- Fantastic look at team effects and even-strength save percentage: [Objective NHL]
- And team effects on penalty-kill save percentage: [Objective NHL]
- Part two of the salute to Beer League teams: [Puck Daddy]
- A brief history of NHL playoff goats. As always, it's hysterical: [Down Goes Brown]
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Syvret
Had no idea SDOD was dealing with Bell’s Palsy ! I had that a few years ago as a result of a viral infection. It’s not debilitating, but it’s a major disruption especially with the eye. For about 2 or 3 days – I literally could not blink one eye. Two things happen – if it’s allergy season, your eye is always tearing. If not, it’s forever dry and a bit painful. In my case, couldn’t keep it dry or see through it.
Tried to drive to a doctor’s appt for it (woke up with the condition) and damn near didn’t make it. For me it was worse because I have only one good eye and that was the palsy side. So I could only see well for about 30 seconds at a time.
Fortunately it improves with time and meds, like Prednisone or other cortico-steroids. Danny will be fine, but that story hit a nerve (see that little pun, there?).
James van Riemsdyk scored a goal in his first game at the IIHF Worlds World Juniors
Sarauj, Latvija!
and for those interested, the USA vs. Czech Republic game will begin at 10:15AM Eastern today:
http://www.fromsportcom.com/v-2/6/74/v-267405.html
Sarauj, Latvija!
Shit, I meant World Championships. Habit?
Thanks for catchin’ that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Since our Captain doesn’t give enough effort they’ll change the name to 12/3.5
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by boknows71 on May 11, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha
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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on May 11, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Are any of these World Championship games on tv?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Apparently, Versus is the broadcaster in the US that can carry the games, but my channel guide shows a fishing show on Versus at 10AM today instead of the USA-CZE game.
Sarauj, Latvija!
If I recall correctly, VS has been showing the games on tape delay. It’ll probably be shown this afternoon-tonight.
The Flyers are 2011 Atlantic Division Champs, the Phillies just keep winning pennant after pennant. Great time to be a fan of those two teams on Broad Street.
Cool. I’m at work so I’m stuck with the stream, and on top of that it’s not in English. But the announcers say Jagr’s name a lot, and that I understand.
Sarauj, Latvija!
I’m unsure who the Versus PbP announcer is, but he has a bit of a lisp.
JVR threw an elbow at Michalek’s head for a 2 minute penalty.
Jagr seems to be having quite a game. Makes me wonder who would be cheaper to sign, Leino or Jagr. I read Jagr is contemplating a return to the NHL. Would Jagr give us a better PP?
Jagr-Malkin-Kovalev… that would suck… it’d be Russias way of paying the Flyers back for 76
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Jagr, not Russian, but still ugly.
Not as ugly as Malkin though. Remove Kovalev and add OV and its the ugliest line ever.
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Not as ugly as Malkin though. Remove Kovalev and add OV Brad Marchandand its the ugliest line ever.
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
just looking at him and Dubinsky makes me want to cross check their mouths. And Kaberle with that horrible goatee
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Lecavaler had the worst attempt at facial hair…
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
hahhahaha true, I totally goofed that one.
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, not suprising more want Richie and Carts to go.
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option
I think there was an error there, it should say 58.5% want Carter to stay, an improvement from last year.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Carter was a slim pick to stay with the team last season, but after another injury-plagued playoff campaign, nearly 59 percent of fans want the Flyers’ leading goal-scorer this season gone.
That makes it seem like they want him gone
Actually, according to the printed results:
We all want Carter to go.
2010-11: 58.5% go; 41.5% go
I’m pretty sure based on the text below though that it should be 41.5% stay.
Oh, and no articles about the Yotes staying in Pheonix?
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option
Winnepeg decided that they didn’t want hockey THAT bad.
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I’m going to say the Thrashers will be in Winnipeg next year. And the Isle’s in Quebec soon after.
Coyotes will be in Hamilton as much as the NHL doesn’t want it.
http://restorations.bandcamp.com/
lol where is Hamilton? Isles have too much history to move
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s on the west bank of Lake Ontario. It’s about an hour south west of Toronto, and an hour and change north west of Buffalo.
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Not disagreeing. But which one is better?
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by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the problem is less with that than with the current ownership, who were tied to Bernie Maddoff or some other big time fraud person that’s in jail now. No banks will lend them money to build a new stadium and well….. Later Isle’s.
I could be wrong, but from what I’ve read…. the Isle’s are all but gone when their lease is up.
http://restorations.bandcamp.com/
U think they’ll stay in the Atlantic? Because it would be awesome to have the Bruins in the Atlantic also if the Isles are out. I’d love to play them 6x a year
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Using a spreadsheet kindly supplied by Geoff Detweiler, I performed the above exercise with respect to goaltender data from 1997-98 to 2010-11.
Hey! That’s my spreadsheet!
hahaha, I gave it to him in hopes to get you his Close/Tied spreadsheet about 3 months ago. So…
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
That stay/go thing just made me so mad.
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by Ben Rothenberg on May 11, 2011 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
It seems the Philly.com readers want the Flyers to start dumping players like the Blackhawks did last summer even though we have cap space. 50% roster turnover year after year is a good model for success. Never has a second run playoff loss been looked at as such a complete an utter failure the Flyers must completely dismantle their young core.
by chrislanci on May 11, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with this. The thirst for a Cup after all these years distorts the problems in the days after the season is over. The press needs to fill space so when things are bad it’s good business to make them seem worse. Combine that with the pre-fab storylines (goaltenders; leadership) and the fact that the Flyers are one of the NHL’s high-profile teams and it makes for a lot of angst and words every spring.
by flyersfaninchicago on May 11, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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Attention DC area readers: Ben Rothenberg (of Broad Street Hockey fame) will be co-hosting trivia tonight at 7:30 at The Reef on 18th Street NW in Adams Morgan.
As is standard at all BSH Masthead appearances, Ben will be happy to autograph printed out blog entries you bring (limit two per person).
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by Ben Rothenberg on May 11, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
Ben will also be willing to autograph shirts bought from the Broad Street Hockey store. There is no limit, so go buy as many shirts as you possibly can.
/shameless plug
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by Mitchell Green on May 11, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I might even be wearing a BSH shirt there.
One you haven’t seen.
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by Ben Rothenberg on May 11, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooo this is exciting news!
I think that for every new shirt, there should be an unveiling party with the entire BSH Masthead in attendance like many European soccer teams do.
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by Mitchell Green on May 11, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Adams-Morgan
You’re gonna have a gooooood time! Unless that neighborhood’s gone to s**t since my last appearance, in like 2005.
by Georgia_Flyer on May 11, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s gotten better, I think. Especially since I’m announcing my presence there.
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by Ben Rothenberg on May 11, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Injuries
I’m starting to think a week before the all-star break, the Flyers need to have surgery on everyone on their team who needs it to prepare for the playoffs.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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It bothers me how the one article compares our bad first impression of McNabb to our bad first impression of Steeg. Horrible comparison. If steeg’s here next year, he gets a fresh start—-IMO
well for you maybe but not for the mongoloid masses who can’t seem to get past anything.
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If he’s a Flyer and comes out and plays physical hockey next year—-not trying to Zherdev his way past everyone—- I’m all for him staying.
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t get a fresh start from me but that doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t be willing to admit it, if he was playing well.
Much like the Mezaros debate at the beginning of this season, my problem with Versteeg is the fact that the Flyers used a 1st Rd draft pick to get him and that he is making $3 mil and, imo, has not lived up that cost. Is it fair to judge him on those criteria? He had no control over what the Leafs and Flyers decided he was worth? But for the role that he has played on the Flyers thus far, he hasn’t been worth a 1st Rd draft pick or his $3 mil. cap hit.
With the way the season ended and the fact that Versteeg added very little down the stretch and in the playoffs, he was a terrible pick up. Fortunately, that does not mean he won’t show improvement after getting more time to adjust to the team and the role he is asked to play.
If he isn’t here next season, I won’t be upset in the slightest (especially if he was used in a trade to acquire a goalie [wishful thinking, I know]) but I also think he has serious potential to show that he is a decent player and can be a contributing part of the team.
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by Mitchell Green on May 11, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
But for the role that he has played on the Flyers thus far, he hasn’t been worth a 1st Rd draft pick or his $3 mil. cap hit.
Roles and value are two totally different things. Back to Mez, his value was 4 million—-roughly that of a 2-3 defender. His role was 5th pair defender. He was good enough to accomplish both. Steeg’s value of a 1st/3rd pick or 3.1 million wasn’t his role. His role, as far as I’m concerned, was to come in and be physical with Richie—-which he did not do. His trade value is now irrelevant in how he plays, but unfortunately for him it is the criteria he will be compared to for his time in philly.
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Meszaros was good enough to play as a 3/4 defenseman? This is based on him beating third and fourth line competition?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I did a horrible job of explaining it and I don’t know how to land that plane… but the point i was making a bad attempt at making is that role and value are two different things. Claude Giroux’ role is way more important than his value of 3.75 million.
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But a contract’s value you is based on role and performance….
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If you don’t assign the contract then the two get mixed up. Is Versteeg’s value 3.1 million or a 1st and 3rd pick? Or a combonation of both? What if we re-sign him for 2.8 for 2 years after next year… Is his value the 2.8 or the 1st and 3rd picks? There is a lot of grey area.
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I already separated the contract from the pick. When you look at a players contract, you evaluate it’s value base on the players performance and role. If you were willing to trade for the contract, that contract still goes against your cap space and pay roll. Therefore, if the organization was willing to take that contract and player, they should be evaluated by that contract. No one put a gun to the Flyers head and said get Meszaros. They went out and got him knowing his contract and where he’d fit in their plans.
Versteeg is an RFA in 2013, at the time, if he signs a new contract with the Flyers, you evauiate his play under the new contract against that new contract. While he is with the Flyers now, you evaluate him under the contract the Flyers accepted with him. It’s not like the Flyers have a blindfold on for contracts when they make these trades.
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So you think it is wrong when Pronger is compared to his 3 first round picks and not his 4.91?
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No…I’m judging a player that year versus his contract. And how role and value are related when you talk about player/contract evaluations in certain contexts.
It’s about putting the analysis in context. If you want to judge Pronger’s career in Philly, then I’m all for bringing in the draft picks, who they would have been, and how they projected over that same time frame versus Pronger’s value over his career here. But for draft picks, I think you have to look at the entire length of Pronger’s stay here, not how he played this year versus his Cap hit.
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In foresight, what does Pronger—-or the team with Pronger on it—- have to do in order to justify the trade?
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a matter of opinion. You’d have to look at what the picks would have done, or the value of picks. And I also don’t judge Pronger on failings of the team/organization; meaning if the team doesn’t win a cup with Pronger here, that doesn’t mean the trade was bad. I wasn’t a huge fan of the contract given to Pronger though, or more to the length. The other thing you have to consider was, do you want to include the Flyers being able to extend Pronger as part of the trade, or do you exclude that?
But, regardless of all that, I haven’t done the leg work with the picks yet, so I don’t know.
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In five years how do you even go about evaluating those picks? There is nothing to say who the Flyers would have taken… Shit, for all we know we could have valued Ranford as a top pick but knew no one else wanted him and he could be a stud (thats like 3 major reaches there, but the point is we don’t know the logic)
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My personal way of looking at it: I evaluate the player against the most recent price paid for him.
If the most recent transaction was a contract signing, then I evaluate him against his salary — is he better or worse than I’d expect for that money?
If the most recent transaction was a trade, then I evaluate him against the pieces given up. If Versteeg signs a $3M/yr deal and then gets traded for a first round pick, that trade is a declaration that he is worth more than $3M/yr. If he only plays like a $3M/yr player then he is costing the team a first round pick.
Think of it the other way — if the Flyers had traded Mike Rathje plus a 1st round pick for a 3rd round pick two years ago, the team they traded him to wouldn’t complain all year long that they weren’t getting $3.5M worth of value from him, because they have no right to expect that they get value from the player they receive in that deal. The question would be whether a 1st round pick was worth $3.5M of wasted cap space.
I have a feeling that we will grow to like Versteeg next year. Who knows when he got that abdominal tear (they may have said it but I didn’t read it/forgot when). But regardless, that woudl affect his play. Plus adjusting to the system and trying to find his role on the team.
I think a training camp and having more time to learn and work on Lavi’s system, plus some time to gel with some linemates (whoever it may be, I do want to see him with Richie, I think they can play well together given time), I think he’ll be a good piece in this lineup.
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by Lindbergh 31 on May 11, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I’m fine with not knowing in season injuries as long as we know them by the end. I don’t want another team knowing Richie has a hurt wrist or Prongs has a hurt back. You saw Brad Marchand poking at Carters injured knee… the same woudl happen to everyone who’s injured if we told them.
Agreed, although it really affects public perception of players. We see guys play less effectively, haven’t heard anything about them being hurt, and form lasting — and often unfair — impressions of them.
As long as we find out now, all can be forgiven. A sports hernia is a big deal—-playing through that must have been painful and probably had a lot to do with his lack of physicality.
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it can and should be forgiven now. But it won’t be, in most cases; the public has already formed their impressions in most cases.
The Flyers don’t care what the public things. When he scores, they will cheer. As far as this community—-I think a strong preseason and a strong start will do for him what Scotty Hartnell’s playoffs did for Harts…
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And all the runs people took at Richards during the playoffs.
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by Mike B on D on May 11, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying they did or would have taken runs?
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They did take runs at him. From Kaleta to Mcquaid and on. I was so impressed with his vision for ducking the majority of them.
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
by Mike B on D on May 11, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaleta takes runs at everyone and Mcquaid laid the wood the whole series. That Coby hit was horrible. Richie plays way too physical not to be taken runs at. The runs could/would have been different if it was known he had wrist issues. They could have targeted that wrist.
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s my point. He would have taken hits targeting his injury if it was known.
An when I said they took runs, I mean tried some dirty hits. McQuaid would not have been hurt if he wasn’t head hunting.
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by Mike B on D on May 11, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but Richie plays the same way, its give and take
/sounds like I’m disagreeing with you but were on the same page
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anybody seen this stupid article?
Seriously? Has he heard of this thing called talk radio? How about this crazy new invention called the internet?
What does supporting your team by wearing orange have anything to do with the outrage over how this team failed? GAH
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Flyers: Sigh
Phillies:Gah enough with the injuries!.
We would all be better fans if we stopped supporting the team in protest of bad management? Seems like sound logic to me. No flaws in that argument, for sure.
Fitzpatrick...
..was a good writer about 50 years ago. That praticular pile of drivel musings is the lazy product of a semi-retired ‘legend’ reporter who watched Phils games at Shibe Park. Not to be taken seriously.
by Georgia_Flyer on May 11, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to say that I liked Seravelli’s article on the Flyers woes. He’s basically willing to question everything in order to find where things broke down, whether it’s the coaching or the leadership. But he’s doing it in a way that’s not a personal attack on anyone.
And he makes some very valid points
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
Severelli and Carchidi are pretty good. As for Panatch… I’m on Richie’s side.
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Same. I heard him on NHL pregame yesterday and threw up a little in my mouth. He gave backhanded compliments to Richards and flat out lied when asked if it was something personal. Questioning his play and ability is one thing, but to make personal attacks on a guy under guise of journalism…
"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27
by Mike B on D on May 11, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Carchidi took the “emotionally detached” line from Panaccio and threw it in his story for no reason.
Also, Carchidi is the one who titled a story “Captain Whine” last year, ripping Richards in the same way Panaccio is doing now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I had no idea of that, or at least no recolection of the article. Carchidi hasn’t been bad in very recent memory.
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I stopped reading him because he was so bad. Maybe he hasn’t been terrible recently, but right when I praise him (yesterday) for not writing shit, he goes and steals the ‘emotionally detached’ line from Panaccio and just drops it in a story.
So he’s back on my shit list.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really read that much of their formal writing—-I just get their tweets. They really dont/cant tell me anything I dont already know
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, then yeah, Carchidi is good on Twitter. Except for the things I make fun of.
Like when he agreed with someone who said you can’t win in the playoffs without scoring on the power play.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, after that story last year I started to refer to him as “Sam Crotchety”.
The phrase ‘familiarity breeds contempt’ comes to mind. Sometimes I think guys like Panaccio and Carchidi themselves lack the requisite objectivity to perform their jobs well. Maybe they believe that because they have covered the Flyers for so long they should be accorded some reverence from the players, especially younger, yet-to-be-established players. It’s why giving Travis a terse response then walking away is forgiveable (by Travis) and at the same time, if he’d done that w/ Panotch or Crotchety, it would have spiralled into something much bigger.
Exactly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone here anything about the Isles new arena announced today? Is it really new or just renovations?
It’s supposedly new, but it’s just a plan:
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the article. I thought it was a done deal, not that they still had to vote. It seems this vote really could be deciding whether the Isles stay on L.I. or not with their lease expiring in 2015.
by IG on May 11, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. And no problem. Travis wrote it right when you asked. haha
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Adding the minor league baseball park to the referendum will absolutely hurt the vote. There is no need for a minor league park 15 minutes from the AAAA NY Mets and not far from the LI Ducks park. On top of that you have the Brooklyn Cyclones within a short drive as well.
Having the vote in Aug will ensure low voter turnout. Which I’m not sure will help or hurt their cause.
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Awesome article on Kesler’s domination. It uses the words shooting percentage, luck, regression to the mean, o zone start, heartless twins, keslers the real captain, CHARTS of weber and sutter vs. both Kesler and the twins.
Great find. Thank you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I found Ryan Bright’s article (the first PSD link in today’s list) to be very useful. He makes the case that Pronger and Richards, as opposites in temperament, complement each other, as opposed to Pronger’s strong personality undermining Richards. I’ve tended to believe that there was some kind of power struggle or tension but am less inclined to this view after reading the article.
by flyersfaninchicago on May 11, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
It’s been a growing theme for awhile. Well, at least for people who believe what the players tell you.
Last year, Richards and Pronger spoke about how the Olympics helped them and how they were working as a team. In fact, last summer I wrote about it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
just by listening to them in interviews it always seemed like a dr. jeckyl mr. hyde relationship. I’ll be a dick and you be a sarcastic dick with the 2 polar opposites you end up right in the middle.
I still hate that people care about how an athlete is with the media. Athletes haven’t spoken their minds since the 70-80’s. Once the league grew, it became marketable. And you don’t want non-college degree earning players speaking their minds.
It’s really sad actually. I understand it from both sides, he represents the team so he can’t say the wrong things yadda yadda yadda, but maybe if he was allowed to he’d open up a bit.
Who knows though.
This is why Sean Avery’s commercial is awesome. He’s actually saying something. Like it or not, that’s sweet in this day and age of every single person repeating the same lame talking points.
Still hate him as a player and hate the rangers but that’s another story
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So:
Richards & Meszaros – wrist
Kimmo – hip & back
Syvret – eye
Hartnell – hip
Carter – knee & hip
Betts – finger
Versteeg – abdominal
Out ;
Pronger – back & hand
Leighton – hip
Did I miss anyone? So almost half of our starters (and a couple back-ups) were playing impaired. That seems like a lot, even for the Flyers.
by A Flyers Phamily on May 11, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
Rinaldo- cranial imbalance
Richards- weak heart
Laviolette- relationship issues
Boucher- narcolepsy
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Homer—-some sort of mental illness that hurt his arithmatic?
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly wouldn’t be suprised if Zherdev had an injury and that was why he was benched. He played physical both series, checking the living daylights out of some Sabres
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by Cillo stache on May 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello again, friends. Nice to be back here, as I ended up avoiding BSH the past week because of AP tests/being depressed about the series loss/all the reactionary bullshit that always ends up rearing its head at the end of the season.
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Does anyone else want Asham? I’d love Asham Smash’em and I’ve hurd a rumor from a friend, for whatever thats worth, but I’d love Ash back. He’s the perfect 4th liner who can play up if need be for injury. Steeg/Richie/Ash?
He’s as sheltered as it gets with 4th line COMP and 60+% OZONE starts but I’d still like him—-not with Richie and Steeg though
by OrangeNblacK on May 11, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Duh.
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by Ben Rothenberg on May 11, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Now Mr. Snider wants a top-shelf goalie next year? Meh, what does he know anyway?!
Oh, right, he founded the Flyers.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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