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Defensive Breakdowns in the Playoffs: ECQF Game 3

This is part three in a series in which we do an eye-test analysis of the defensive issues the Flyers had in the playoffs. We're going through the dangerous shots the Flyers faced, breaking down the plays, and assigning blame to the players who didn't carry out their defensive responsibilities. This lets us see how much of the struggles was due to the skaters, the goalies, or the coaching staff.

In this article we look at game three against Buffalo; here are links to the previous analysis of Game 1 and Game 2. Game 3 was a 4-2 victory in which some might say Boucher stole a win -- until a late empty-netter, the Flyers had clung to a 3-2 lead through the whole third period despite being outshot 37-24 in the game and 11-3 in the third period, earning Boucher star of the game honors.

After the jump, we look at how Buffalo's scoring chances came about.

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In this game, Buffalo had a whopping 11 shots on net that I identified as being dangerous. I thought hard about paring the list down a bit. Not all of these 11 chances were extremely dangerous and not all of them were the result of huge breakdowns, but I do think all of them were legitimate scoring chances. So I decided to leave them in, but it doesn't affect the results all that much -- the less dangerous chances that arise from smaller mistakes typically don't result in very many blame points.

To handle that many shots, I'm going to have to change the format of this breakdown a little. This page is basically a master index; it has links to separate pages for each of the shots and the overall blame totals. I'll also put the analysis of the first shot on this page, so that you can see what this is all about and decide whether you want to click through to the individual shots or just skim down to the totals.

So without further ado, here's video of the first shot from a scary play:

This play begins in the middle of a line change. Carle brings the puck up the ice, but it gets poked away by Gaustad and Carle has to circle back. This is fine, as it gives the team a chance to complete the line change.

Honestly, when I watched it live, and again in my first pass through the video, I was ready to hang this one all on Carle. But let's look at what options his teammates give him here. As he's backing up and looking for an outlet, his three teammates all cluster around the single forechecker.

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As he is backing up, his teammates continue not to make themselves good passing options -- they stay in a straight line behind the forechecker.

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Eventually Carle runs out of room and has to try a pass. This is where he makes his mistake -- this should go behind the net for safety, but it doesn't, and Gaustad gets his stick on it. It deflects to the corner, Gaustad retrieves it and brings it back to the net.

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This play was borderline for inclusion in the analysis, but this frame is the reason I counted it. With Carle struggling to recover, Syvret falling down, and Betts a step behind Gerbe, this is a legitimately dangerous moment. Fortunately, Gaustad tries to lift it over Boucher and only gets it into his chest; a pass to Gerbe would have really tested Boucher, and even just banking it off of Syvret might have been possible, but the shot at the net was eaten up by a well-positioned goalie.

Blame points: One each to Betts and Syvret for not making themselves better targets. One to Carle for the dangerous pass. I have the hunch I'd be dishing out a lot more points if Gaustad had sent it to Gerbe, but as it happened this one was never really that big a threat.

Here are links to the analysis of the other ten chances from the game:

Chances 2 and 3

Chances 4 and 5

Chances 6-8

Chances 9-11

The total number of chances here is a bit deceptive. There were more dangerous shots than in previous games, but the number of Major Breakdowns was about the same -- the difference was in a proliferation of situations that could have turned disastrous but didn't. Overall, the total number of defensive blame points awarded was about the same as Game 2, twice as many as Game 1. Here's the table of results to date. 

 

Player Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Total
Meszaros 2 7 5 14
Richards 1 0 8 9
Laviolette 0 7 2 9
O'Donnell 0 7 1 8
Briere 2 5 1 8
Carle 7 0 1 8
Boucher 0 1 5 6
Betts 0 4 2 6
Powe 0 1 4 5
Bobrovsky 0 5 0 5
Timonen 2 3 0 5
Versteeg 0 0 4 4
Zherdev 0 0 4 4
Coburn 0 2 2 4
Leino 2 0 2 4
Syvret 3 0 1 4
van Riemsdyk 0 4 0 4
Giroux 1 0 2 3
Hartnell 1 2 0 3
Total 21 48 43 112

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Not that I don’t applaud your work Eric, because I do, and I feel that this piece of work should not go uncommented, because I believe you spent a decent chunk of time on this. I’d only ask, at what point do you think the fanbase doesn’t care about the mistakes that were made, because of how long ago the events took place?

I only ask because I read the article and I said to myself, “I really don’t care about last season anymore. The mistakes were plentiful, the Flyers lost because of them, and well that’s the end of it”.

Sorry, it’s just after reading, there’s a massive feeling of indifference

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 17, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course there is going to be a feeling of indifference, but not because of how long ago it was, but how recently this all happened. We were eliminated 11 days ago, and there are still four teams playing for the opportunity to hoist the cup.

Everyone is going to feel some pain going over the way that the Flyers ended up ultimately failing, because its fresh in our memories.

Personally, I find these articles extremely interesting, because it gives me an opportunity to look at the footage in a coach like fashion, and really drives home some of the gripes I have while I’m watching the game live.

I know you’re not going to stop these, Eric, but keep up the good work. I’m sure I’m not the only one who appreciates this look into the game of hockey.

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by brf132 on May 17, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also… I’m not a writer, but I think its ‘adieu’ not ‘ado’ … Again, could be completely wrong.

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by brf132 on May 17, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, it’s “ado”.

Adieu is French for a goodbye. Ado means something like “fuss”.

I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.

Chem and Gus to the restaurant.

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by Chemistry66 on May 17, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, sir.

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by brf132 on May 17, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

*is a girl *

I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.

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by Chemistry66 on May 17, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

is blushing

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by brf132 on May 17, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

and format fail. good day on the board for me… :)

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by brf132 on May 17, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, don’t worry. That’s why I put a space after the l and before the second *. It auto-codes anything between two asterisks to bold, unfortunately.

I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.

Chem and Gus to the restaurant.

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by Chemistry66 on May 17, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the lesson. I read the site daily, but rarely comment. I do believe this is the most comments on one thread I’ve ever posted… But sitting in the back yard, drinking beer and enjoying the sunshine goes better with a bit hockey chatter… In my opinion

:)

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by brf132 on May 17, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, beer. Not my choice.

Then again, it’s 20 days until I can buy my own stuff and then I could get better stuff than the kind I’ve had before.

I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.

Chem and Gus to the restaurant.

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by Chemistry66 on May 17, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

While beer wouldn’t normally be my drink of choice, the scenario brf132 lays out is perfect for beer.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on May 17, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely! Sitting on the patio with a couple cold ones is just fantastic. Glad you share the embrace.

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by brf132 on May 17, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh… A pre-21 girl, at that. Beer will come, I promise. I am about to turn 25, but started drinking beer a pretty long time ago. Once you move on to craft/micro-brews, you’ll have acquired the taste, and begin to enjoy quality beers. That will be a few years.

So, vodka/cranberry for you, then? Also, congrats on the upcoming bday.. Mine is next Weds

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by brf132 on May 17, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vodka and orange juice, preferably.

Or something with Bailey’s in it. Mmmmmmmmmm, Bailey’s.

To the FlyBy, gentlemen, to not add OT posts to Eric’s thread?

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by Chemistry66 on May 17, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you were a man, I would call you a gentleman and a scholar.

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by brf132 on May 17, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I be a lady and a scholar then?

I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.

Chem and Gus to the restaurant.

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by Chemistry66 on May 17, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe me, I’ve sensed the indifference myself, but it’s OK with me for two reasons.

First, I do think there are people who are just interested in seeing plays broken down like this. It may not generate the huge pageviews of a goalie controversy, but it has some value anyway.

Second, I’m a bit nervous about the way debate here has trended lately. It’s really hard to have debate without evidence, because “well that’s not how I saw it” doesn’t convince anyone of anything, and while obviously I’m a strong believer in the statistical analysis, I hate to see an alternative approach get squashed. Everybody uses their eyes to some degree in formulating their opinions, but the people who rely primarily on visual data usually have no way to back up their opinions in our discussions.

My goal here is to put an eye test standard out there, a comprehensive look (i.e. not just singling out a play or two where a certain player screwed up). If people don’t agree with my assessments, they can point to specific plays and show where they disagree. I expect that will happen often. The goal here is simply to provide a foundation going forwards in discussing what went wrong in these playoffs, at least on the defensive end.

Fixing those problems seems to be a hot topic of debate — some want a defenseman gone (e.g. Carle), some want a forward gone (Carter, Richards), some want a new goalie — and it’s my hope that this will stimulate people who tend not to rely on numbers to still formulate evidence-based arguments that can lead to productive discourse.

by Eric T. on May 17, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Can you patent a new statistical category, BP?? I think you’re onto gold.

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by brf132 on May 17, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year NHL Network showed every playoff series during the off-season. I hope they do the same this year and if they do, I will go back and re-watch the games (as painful as some may be) and then read each of your analyses after each game. With the games fresher in my mind like that, I’ll be more familiar with the context.

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by Justin F. on May 17, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I’ll take part of that back. Re-watching the Buffalo series will probably be fun. It’s when we get to the Boston series that it will be painful.

Also, I should add to that post “I’ll be more familiar with the context and so I can better appreciate the work that goes into these posts.”

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by Justin F. on May 17, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just don’t call it grading and you’ll be fine.

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by DLJr on May 18, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like your analyses, Eric.

I just wish I cared enough about stats to really read through them thoroughly.

I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.

Chem and Gus to the restaurant.

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by Chemistry66 on May 17, 2011 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, this series should be easy for you then — “defensive blame points” is scarcely a stat at all. This whole thing is about watching the plays carefully and comprehensively.

by Eric T. on May 17, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that takes time! I’m busy sleeping and procrastinating looking up grad school stuff!

Just kidding. Well, not about the busy part. I have stuff to get done before I leave for NC, but I will try to read some of this stuff more carefully when I can.

I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.

Chem and Gus to the restaurant.

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by Chemistry66 on May 17, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as the articles go, for me, I await the each one both eagerly (for learning purposes) and with trepidation (because it’s still painful to watch). Eric is doing an excellent job of presenting these defensive mistakes, and I’m learning as much as I can.
Something that’s starting to rear its ugly head, to me anyway: the Flyers, barring a few exceptions, were not willing to pay the price for playoff wins. What I mean by that is the ramping up of physicality, and the sacrifice of shot blocking.

However, with all the information about the injuries now, some of that has been explained away.

Lastly, for Eric: this stuff is gold and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Stick tap.

by A Flyers Phamily on May 17, 2011 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, I really do appreciate the kind words.

One minor caution about shot blocking: the only video I have access to is from shots that get through to the net, so we might be missing a hundred videos of blocked shots. I’m not saying we can’t generalize from what we see here, just that we should be cautious about it.

by Eric T. on May 17, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with the ‘learning purposes’ part. Since I never played ice hockey (and didn’t know anyone that did) and only in the past couple years starting watching for more than pure entertainment and actually trying to understand the game plans and little complexities, these analyses are really helpful. So thanks for taking the time to break everything down Eric!

by cova24 on May 18, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

My pleasure. I’m glad you enjoy it.

by Eric T. on May 18, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for this, Eric. The rationality here at BSH is refreshing, especially in contrast to the rabid Flyers talk on the sports news lately.

Oh, I don't know. I think the GM should sign that free agent velociraptor to fortify the bench. He's a playoff veteran who still shows a lot of hustle.

by LeepinLizardz on May 17, 2011 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

This is the only time of year that I’m glad I live 3000 miles away. If I were there, I don’t think I’d be able to stop myself from listening to sports radio, and it would drive me insane.

by Eric T. on May 17, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

My boss caught me looking over these yesterday towards the end of the day and then told me to get over it (he’s a bruins fan). Then I have to laugh because he’s calling for Claude Julien’s head every day, but can’t give me one good reason for why except that he didn’t send a message after the Cooke hit on Savard, over a year ago. Either way, I’m learning a lot from these and appreciate the effort that goes into presenting them.

by hebrew hammer on May 18, 2011 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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