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Report: Zherdev attacks wife, criminal charges await

Russian newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets reports the following this morning:

The Philadelphia Flyers forward Nikolay Zherdev attacked his wife after a quarrel in a restaurant, caused damage to her car, insulted her and threatened her with death.

The couple was enjoying lunch with their friends at around 12:30 pm in a restaurant Osteria di Campagna, near the Rublyovo-Uspensky highway. Suddenly, Nikolay and his wife started arguing and the wife decided to leave the restaurant. She went to the parking lot, got in her car and started driving away. She had to stop in the traffic lights only a couple of meters away from the restaurant. This is when Nikolay rushed out of the restaurant, caught up with his wife and tried to open the doors of the car, but his wife had locked the doors.

According to eyewitnesses, Nikolay picked up a metal pole from the parking lot and began hitting the car with the pole while shouting expletives at his wife. Fearing for her life, his wife rushed to escape, turning in the wrong direction on the highway. The same day, she went to the police.

The local police department confirms that a woman came telling them that her husband had threatened her with violence and, moreover, caused serious damage to her car.

The broken vehicle is still being examined by the experts. As soon as the car has been examined, Nikolay is expected to face charges for "intentional damage to property of others". Another charge may await for the death threats that Nikolay's wife confirmed receiving.

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by Ben Jones on May 19, 2011 5:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow, Zherdev, wow.

Now my hatred is even more justified. Am I surprised though? No.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 5:21 AM EDT reply actions  

What has Zherdev done to indicate he would commit a crme like this? I’m not trying to defend him or anything, just wondering why you aren’t surprised.

by ryan1 on May 19, 2011 7:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m actually not surprised, but it’s confirmation bias.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why aren’t you surprised? Is there a history here?

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you are lumping pro athletes together.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

What Pardini said. Confirmation bias. I just didn’t like this guy from day 1. And not only because of the Gagne situation.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guilty until proven innocent kind of thing.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever she did, whatever happened before… if my (hypothetical) husband showed this kind of behavior – chasing me out of the restaurant, screaming at me some nasty stuff and then beating my/our car with whatever he had in his hands… well I would be scared to death whether he meant his threats or not. This agressive kind of behavior truly scares me.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying they should stay together. Nor am I saying what he did was appropriate behavior. In general, I’m never surprised when pro athletes lose it, but that obviously doesn’t make it write. I’m just saying there is a big difference between screaming in anger and hitting you car with something and hitting your wife. And I’d like more information to come about before I make a judgment. The info could either make it worse for Z, or better, I don’t know, but I’d still like more.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

True about the difference between hitting a car and hitting your wife. Though one can lead to another in some time. I would be definitely scared he might hit me whenever he gets this angry again. But that doesn’t necessarily have to be the case.

To be honest though, I don’t really care about him. As in, I don’t really care whether he is guilty or innocent. This whole thing only made me sneer and go like, “yeah, yeah, I never liked you, I’m not surprised.” You are correct in the comments below. That we base our comments on our opinion about the person. I hate Zherdev and I always found something highly repulsive about him, that’s why I color him guilty without really knowing the truth. I admit that. I admit it and I don’t feel bad because of it.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was just curious if you knew something I didn’t. You are much closer to the KHL and any rumor or news that may come out of it than I am about the players. So I thought maybe there was some history there. Just wanted to know.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I see. Well, quite honestly, I tend not to care about things that come from Russia. Unless it’s gas.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Katch, agreed on the scaring you aspect…his only real defense would be if he thought she were trying to run him over. I mean, personally I’d just run like hell in that situation, but that’s given clear thought. Who knows what’s going on here.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, true. Nobody can really know. But since I don’t like him and I hardly ever present unbiased opinions, I’m not going to defend him :)

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like him, I won’t defend him, but I won’t convict him either. That’s not my job. Until he gets his day in court he’s still an innocent man.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Innocent, yes, ugly and Soviet nonetheless.

See? I can’t really have this discussion, haha.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL well said.

It’s amusing, I was at the Flyers’ game 5 where they did a profile on Zherdev and they asked him “if you could have dinner with anyone from any time, who would it be?” His answer was “My wife.”

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha! Well, that’s a proof that it wasn’t act of passion but he had it all planned out. Hahah.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Innocent, yes, ugly and Soviet Ukrainian nonetheless.

He only has Russian citizenship.

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by mikefive on May 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I am concerned, Ukraine used to be a part of Soviet Union. Unless he was born in the 90’s he is indeed Soviet.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

just like how Puerto Ricans and Mexicans are the same right?

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your point?

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s extremely rude to call a Ukrainian a Russian. Just like it’s rude to call a Peurto Rican a Mexican just like it’s rude to call an Persian a Muslim.

That’s my point.

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where did I call him Russian? I called him Soviet because he was born in Soviet Union. Did I use it as an insult? Maybe. Was I being more serious than playfull? Hardly.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry I saw mikefive’s russian and got that mixed into your post. It still stands though, Soviet, Russian, whatever. They are their own people. And just because political borders shift doesn’t make them any less Ukrainian and more Soviet.

That’s on par with saying the Dutch, Belgians, French, Austrians, Czechs, Bosnians, Greeks, etc are all Nazi’s since they were once part of Nazi Germany.

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, I’m a Nazi then.

(for the love of God, of course I’m not serious)

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Nazi and a Socialist!

(It was still the Czech Socialist Republic when you were born, I think?)

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by The Dark on May 19, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I always suspected this of Kat.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the risk of a political joke…

If you were a FOX News commentator, you'd suspect that of anyone who isn't in the Tea Party.

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by The Dark on May 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hahahaha. Golden.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he is being condescending. I also believe he is unaware of where you are from. Might be way off though.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe you are right. But we might be both wrong.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who says that?

And that stereotype probably means nothing to someone born and raised in the Czech Republic. Just sayin’.

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by mikefive on May 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are most certainly passionate and bias…all part of the Kat charm. I miss having people say something negative about Gagne and you going off. ..one of the reasons I want him back next year. It’s entertaining haha.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha. Well, thanks. And I don’t really want him back in Philly, I just don’t. But I believe that’s quite common knowledge by now, eh?

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, if it wasn’t, it certainly is now.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. Speaking of Gagne… I had a terrible dream last night. Nightmare, that he was traded to Detroit. I cried.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would that be better or worse than him going to the Caps, what with you being a Bolts fan?

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by The Dark on May 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I prefer him staying in the East. So Detroit would be worse than Washington.

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by Katchis on May 19, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Detroit was going to be in the East though.

by Eric T. on May 19, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Katchis, I would be scared and most likely think that he was trying to kill me.

by JLS89 on May 19, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

And it’s fair to feel that way in the situation, and to want nothing to do with him in the future. It also doesn’t mean he was intending to physically hit her. None of this makes Z a good person, far from it, but it also doesn’t make Z someone who wanted to physically harm his wife. I’ve yelled and scream plenty of horrible things at people in my life and not intended to do any of those…however, I’ve also never hit a car with a metal pole either.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

whaaaaaaat? You need to find an old beater car and take a sledgehammer to it!

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess no one here has ever gotten in an argument with a boyfriend/girlfriend. Heat of the moment lots of people have the impulse to hit. In my younger/wilder days I had some anger mgmt issues myself. The fact that you restrain yourself from doing so is what separates us from the monkeys. Hitting the car, though scary, is a better alternative than beating the wife. Who knows what she said to him. (Not defending Zherdev at all, but some women say things simply because they believe they can get away with them because they are women, ifyouknowwhatimean)

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by doubleh on May 19, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah completely agree.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this is coming from a woman!

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by doubleh on May 19, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess no one here has ever gotten in an argument with a boyfriend/girlfriend. Heat of the moment lots of people have the impulse to hit.

I’ve been there, but only during my active addiction. Hell hath no fury like my ex-fiancee and I in an alcohol-and-cocaine-fueled argument, even though I never hit her. Methinks “the impulse to hit” is but a symptom of a much larger problem in the relationship. But I’ve never had that impulse during arguments I’ve had with other partners. Aside from my Very Fucked-Up Engagement, the thought of physically hurting a woman never crossed my mind. And just reading the allegations in this story, I am deeply troubled, quite frankly.

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by mikefive on May 19, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

His parents did NOT raise him properly if his intent was to hit her.

Hell I’m a pacifist now and wouldn’t even hit a wall. Unless it talked shit on my Heirloom Tomatoes, then I may be it with a metal pole.

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a fucking idiot. Rocket scientist he is not.

by 92-74-99-96 on May 19, 2011 5:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Well… this is a good way to clear cap space.

by rugbyrowe on May 19, 2011 6:16 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He was already off the books, and wasn’t coming back.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I present to you, everyone, THE ENIGMA HIMSELF..

NIKOLAYYYYYYYYYY ZHERDEV

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by OriginJM on May 19, 2011 6:19 AM EDT reply actions  

According to the arrest warrant, there aren’t enough grounds to hold Zherdev accountable for the death threats as he allegedly had no serious motive to actually kill his wife.

To me this basically sounds like they aren’t taking the death threats seriously.

In my opinion, they should take them seriously. Obviously his wife took them seriously enough to rather choose driving a highway in the wrong direction than wait for her dear husband to beat her up with a metal pole.

by Teemu H on May 19, 2011 7:09 AM EDT reply actions  

While I agree with the spirit of your comment, let’s wait until all the details emerge. For all we know there are witnesses that heard no such death threat, and she was drunk and he didn’t want her to drive, she went the wrong way down the street…went home, sobered up, and went to the police to save face.

I would highly doubt that is the case, but it wouldn’t be completely unheard of either.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they should take Zherdev’s actions into account more than just his words. Attacking someone with a metal pole could be seen as a death threat in itself.

Hopefully there will be more details. I’m not sure how publicly the Russian authorities handle this stuff.

by Teemu H on May 19, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed…like I said, I agree 100% with the spirit of your argument, but was he hitting the rear quarter panel or the driver’s side windshield…was she trying to hit him with the car? There’s always more to these stories, so I’m going to treat him as innocent until he’s proven guilty…

Also, it’s gonna be pretty hard to charge him with “damaging someone else’s property” if the car is registered in his name or jointly.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your point, though I think the eyewitnesses basically prove he is guilty.

Some say they co-own the car, some say it’s hers. I guess it could go either way.

by Teemu H on May 19, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know the Russian law, so I can’t really make a judgement either.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Attacking a car with a metal pole is not attacking a person. Isn’t there a Carrie Underwood song about attacking some hick guys truck with a baseball bat.

by chrislanci on May 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Before He Cheats”

by JLS89 on May 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it’s not physically attacking a person, but she was in the car, so it’s threatening and it can be nearly as scarring mentally as a physical attack. In the song he wasn’t in the car, so it’s more like vandalism (which is still wrong).

I know there’s conflicting reports now, but if he really attacked the car with her in it, it’s not much better because of the damage it could do to her psyche.

by DragonGirl0583 on May 19, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now Ville doesn’t have to worry about getting a contract from the Flyers now. Zherdev is gone.

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by kmblue on May 19, 2011 7:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Z was never coming back anyway.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Suddenly I am much less conflicted about him not being back next year.

by ohnickels on May 19, 2011 7:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Well then. Nice knowing you, Nikolai Nikolay.

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by Ben Feldman on May 19, 2011 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, here comes the over used “ZOMG Flyers are goons thugs and wife beaters!! The newspaper said so!”

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by Cillo stache on May 19, 2011 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Scumbag.

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by EREX21 on May 19, 2011 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess this is part of the “off” thing that GM’s league wide considered when not taking a Flyer on Zherdev. What an a-hole

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Because they knew he’d do this in the future?

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by Geoff Detweiler on May 19, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I didn’t think he had any fire in his belly. Not that I condone domestic abuse but hitting the car doesn’t mean he would have hit her so he is not a wife beater until we hear evidence of such conduct. It is petulant behavior but not domestic abuse.

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by MJDII on May 19, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m kind of intrigued to hear what the “metal pole” was…watch it end up being a stick that some witness misconstrued. I really hope this isn’t accurate.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea to go from sketchy reports of a public quarrel to a stone cold wife beater is unfair.

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by MJDII on May 19, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bro, I understand wanting to keep an open mind and give him the benefit of the doubt, but your diminishing/doubting of the facts to make what he did seem less bad is making me really uncomfortable.

by ohnickels on May 19, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did he punch his wife in the face? Is there any history of direct abuse? Only facts that matter if someone is going to be held out as an abuser. The problem with these reports is no one later recants stories which prove otherwise.

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by MJDII on May 19, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

You get indicted on page one and acquitted on page 14.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Punching your wife in the face is not the only way to abuse her. Would you be questioning the facts quite so rigorously if it was not his wife but a drinking buddy he chased after and attacked?

by ohnickels on May 19, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would you be so questioning my desire to give him due process if that were the case?

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s getting due process. I’m not sure what more reliable evidence you’re holding out for than a police report and eye-witness statements from third-party observers.

by ohnickels on May 19, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

None of which say he laid a hand on his wife. Again it’s bad behavior but not wife beating.

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by MJDII on May 19, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

What happened? What if he only hit her car with a stick and some guy thought it was a pole? What if he was trying to strangle her? What if a video of the parking lot emerges and she tried to hit him with the car when she was pulling out of the parking spot?

What if he went back to Russia and found out she had a boyfriend? If that happened he might have just yelled the death threat in a moment of extreme passion when he wasn’t thinking clearly. What if she found out he had a girlfriend in Philly, said something threatening to him, and then he lost his temper during an argument and hit the car with a metal pole because she was driving away?

Don’t get me wrong, if he hit her he’s a scumbag. I’m not exonerating the guy. I will say eye witness testimony has been shown many times to be unreliable. Until more comes out I think we should put the pitchforks and torches down.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

a) It doesn’t matter what she did. He’s responsible for his own actions. If she assaulted him as well, he’s free to file charges of his own.
b) Even if he didn’t hit her, attacking her car, especially while she’s in it, is still abuse.
c) Not sure how “based on the facts we have, he did a shitty thing” counts as pitchforks and torches.

by ohnickels on May 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

a) It does matter what he did or didn’t do. He’s responsible for his own actions. The circumstances leading up to it are also important. A crime of passion is almost universally treated differently than one that is premeditated.
b) Attacking her car and attacking her may both be abusive behavior, but banging on a car window is a whole lot different than physically hitting her.
c) We don’t have any facts at all, we have a story about a famous person and “potential charges”.

You are saying he’s guilty. I’m saying he has the right to defend himself in a court of law. I highly doubt you’d be so quick to convict if it were “one of his drinking buddies” as you said. If what’s being reported is found to be true, he’s a scumbag. I don’t argue that, but considering I wasn’t there and I don’t know what happened, I’m not ready to judge a guy with no documented history of this type of behavior until the process is completed. I’m done with this.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

he or she* on the first point.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

We, for once, are in agreement.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s pretty hard point to rationally argue against. It’s not exactly “Eyes vs Stats.” :)

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha…I just find it so interesting in the comments how people are jumping to pile on Z here, but were all hoping that Smith assault charge was a big misunderstanding. We go in to things with our minds made up based on our previous feelings of a person, rather than taking a step back and looking at the whole thing.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I said below, I don’t actually know about the Jason Smith situation. I never cared about that guy one way or the other. I’m assuming the Flyers’ captain and not the Sixers basketball player. That being said, I’m not a big fan of Zherdev’s public persona, but that doesn’t make him guilty.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed with that last sentence. I’ll be interested to see if more stuff comes out. I feel like there is a lot here that isn’t being mentioned, not to say it’ll make Z look better or worse, just saying I feel like there is more.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really think there’s going to be a story about infidelity here…I waited tables for a long time and there were only two reasons couples ever got into a fight at a restaurant…and money isn’t an issue.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it’s really a shame that Americans who are all about the innocent until proven guilty are the first ones to come out and proclaim someone guilty the second they hear a charge against someone.

That’s Almost as bad as chasing your wife down the street beating the car with a piece of rebar

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

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by ww2b on May 19, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would it have even made headlines if that was the case? Would even have heard about it?

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by MJDII on May 19, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not exonerating him, I’m not defending him, I’m just saying until we know more the man deserves the benefit of the doubt. He has no history of this type of behavior. Obviously he and his wife were emotional about something, so something had to happen that caused this incident and we know almost nothing except “he chased her out of a restaurant screaming and hit her car with an object.”

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has no history of this type of behavior.

You know this how?

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, no documented history. We’ve been discussing all year how he’s an enigma, but he’s never had a criminal history that anyone has ever brought up. Given his reputation and status I’m positive that information would have come out, unless it was in some juvie file that a judge had destroyed. I don’t know how the Russian legal system works, but no one gets drafted in the top 5 in any league without a pretty thorough background check.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would be forefront in the story if he did have a history. This never gets glanced over.

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by MJDII on May 19, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

What’s amusing about this is that I don’t even like Zherdev. If this is true I wouldn’t be surprised.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, I’m sure that every abuse ever gets noticed/reported/talked about, especially in Russia.

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s really unfair. Just because there’s no documented history doesn’t mean there is no history, but you can’t just say “it wasn’t reported” and pass judgement under the assumption that this is a behavioral trend. Our best information is that he’s never had any trouble with the law.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

well said sir. You are a champion for democracy.

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

This never gets glanced over.

That absolute is unfair, which is what I was responding to.

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

Maybe the Flyers can rip the C from Richards and give it to Zherdev now. And yes, I am kidding.

by PhillyGirl01 on May 19, 2011 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

And where was this passion during the year YahtZEE. Damn. Half of that, and you are in the lineup all year. What a dumb ass. Anyone remember the D man Smith. He went bonkers and smacked his wife around. Maybe YahtZEE’s wife told him he was a enigma in bed like he is on the ice. Seriously, that’s not acceptable behavior for anyone.

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by flyerfreek on May 19, 2011 9:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

A few thoughts:

1. I bet Russia has the worst Italian food imaginable.
2. I highly doubt they were “enjoying” this meal. Not only did it end with threats of death, it featured the aforementioned Russian Italian food.
3. Odds this started from a table conflict? Can you imagine asking Zherdev to “pass the anything” and having him do it?

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by Ben Rothenberg on May 19, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

nice.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

4) Denting his wife’s car is unexpected, since the Zherdev family is so much more prone to being scratched…

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by Ben Rothenberg on May 19, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Tiger’s Wife and Nikolay can give do a fundraiser involving sledgehammers and cars. We had one of those at the ice rink one summer!

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was on the can when I first read this comment earlier and laughed out loud. A+

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Ben reply I mean

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

If my epitaph just says:

Here lies Ben. He made people laugh while they were on the toilet.

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by Ben Rothenberg on May 19, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah numbers 3 and 4 are top notch. good job!

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

/rimshot

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 19, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

3 and 4 made me lawl at work.

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by coheedandtbs on May 19, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was interesting rereading the comments on Jason Smith and then reading the comments about Z. We love to judge who we don’t like and love to hope for misunderstandings or excuses for those we do like.

Just very interesting how the tone of the comments on the two are completely different.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know about the Jason Smith situation…but I don’t have a high opinion of Zherdev as a public persona.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Feel free to read it here…just an interesting thing to observe about human nature.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would, but I have the auditing section of the CPA exam at noon. I’m currently frantically going through final review.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man.

The way I see it…I don’t like the CPA Exam. It doesn’t like me. As far as I’m concerned if it just gives me a 75 it never has to see me again. Hell, Geoff would take that deal twice if offered.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

What course are you taking? I need to sign up for Audit soon

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Z’s contract offer this year……

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

To keep it local Brett Meyers got more benefit of the doubt and he dragged his wife down a street in Boston by her hair.

by chrislanci on May 19, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still don’t understand why people liked him. He was a shitty pitcher, a shitty person, and then we found out he was a shitty husband.

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by JpH89 on May 19, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would hit a woman but I’d shake the shit out of her beat up her car with a metal pole.

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by boknows71 on May 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn, messed up that joke by missing the ’nt after would.

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by boknows71 on May 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Russian Brett Myers….

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by JpH89 on May 19, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Although we SHOULD wait till we put everything into perspective. I mean, Tiger Woods wife forced him to drive his car off the road, then beat him with a driver and almost killed the guy, but NOBODY really blames her for her actions. Maybe some really bid shit went down….

But really, Its not like Z was coming back. But this puts the “Russian Player” stereotype with the Fans/Management down another notch.

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by JpH89 on May 19, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

What would people have said if it were one of her drinking buddies rather than her cheating spouse?

/couldn’t resist

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

when did this happen???? I must have missed that part of the news that day or week or month

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

A Couple of Things

I don’t condone what Jason Smith did. I don’t condone what Brett Myers did. And I don’t condone what Nikolay Zherdev did. Innocent until proven guilty, yes. But honestly, I don’t understand how beating on his wife’s car is somehow more acceptable than beating on her directly. Neither should be excused.

If she tried to run him down, I doubt she would have done it once and then suddenly thought better of it. And I’m sure his reaction would have been, “Holy sh!t, this woman is crazy.” And he’d probably have run away. He wouldn’t have started attacking the car. Just my two cents. My feelings are that he was the aggressor here, but again, innocent until proven guilty.

As for people bringing up the “Russian Player” stereotype: HE IS ONLY A RUSSIAN CITIZEN. HE IS UKRAINIAN BY BIRTH.

From Wikipeedja:

Born in Kiev, Ukrainian SSR, Zherdev began playing hockey at the age of four. He began his training with the Sokil Kyiv junior hockey affiliate. Due to complications with organizing a team for his age group, he was pushed to play a year ahead with the 1983 born players; a group which included fellow future Ukrainian NHLer Anton Babchuk. While participating in an overseas peewee tournament in Quebec, Canada, Zherdev’s team found itself competing against a team from Elektrostal, Russia. The rival team’s coach, Ravil Iskakhov, took note of both Zherdev and Babchuk, and invited the pair to further their development with the Elemash Elektrostal hockey club of the Russian Major League, to which they accepted together. The desire to play at a higher level came at a price: his nationality. In order to play in Russia, he would be forced to apply for Russian citizenship.

As for Kiev:

Kiev or Kyiv (Ukrainian: Київ; Russian: Киев) is the capital and the largest city of Ukraine, located in the north central part of the country on the Dnieper River.

Know who else was born in Kiev and played here? Ruslan Fedotenko. And everyone referred/refers to him as Ukrainian… because that’s what he is. Same is ultimately true with Zherdev, even though he was pretty much forced into Russian citizenship.

If I really wanted to, I could move to Poland, prove my lineage coming from there, and become a citizen fairly easily. But even if I did that I would still consider myself American. I was born in America and lives my life here. I am of Italian and Polish stock, but if I became a citizen of one of those places I wouldn’t stop being American.

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by mikefive on May 19, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t understand how beating on his wife’s car is somehow more acceptable than beating on her directly. Neither should be excused.

Neither should be excused, but I see a huge difference between the two personally. IMO, it takes a certain person to cross that line to actually hit their wife/girlfriend.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that neither should be excused, because he still had the thought to hit her, even if it was just the car. You never know if it could have escalated into breaking the window and actually hitting her.

As a female, I still see this as domestic violence because he’s still the aggressor and you don’t know what his thoughts were. Again, he’s innocent until proven guilty, but I still see these two actions as the same.

by JLS89 on May 19, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree and disagree, I don’t think you can make a logical jump from harming an inanimate object to hitting his wife. I take my anger out the same way so that I don’t take it out on another person. Then again just because I do it like that doesn’t mean he thought that well into it.

He should have just punched the way instead of the car, if you love someone enough to marry them why would you be ok with scaring the ever living shit out of them? Terrible judgement there.

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

because he still had the thought to hit her

No…because like you said:

you don’t know what his thoughts were

I need more info on the time line because it isn’t hard to break a window and attack someone when you have a metal pole. Also, I need to know where he was hitting the car…if he was just hitting the rear door, then I would assume there wasn’t the thought to hit her…if he broke all the windows near her, I would assume he may have tried to hit her or at least detain her. So I need more info.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you that we need more info on the situation to draw conclusions. I guess these situations bother me and not a lot of information is released immediately. I might change my opinion if/when there is more evidence.

by JLS89 on May 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and it’s totally fair that they do bother you. frankly I expect most women to be totally disgusted by this, I am as well, I just don’t want to jump to conclusions about intent yet, especially since I view there to be a clear line between hitting a wall next to a woman and hitting a woman.

I’m completely okay with people feeling that way. The only thing I found interesting was the different tone of the comments between this and the Jason Smith incident last year.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am guessing based on his name, though, that he is ethnically Russian (as are many Ukrainians), whereas Fedotenko (and any other -enko) is ethnically Ukrainian.

Either way, guy is a douche. But we knew that.

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by Ben Rothenberg on May 19, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

His name is technically Микола Олегович Жердев, Mykola Olehovych Zherdev.

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by mikefive on May 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is the evidence for Zherdev being a douche again?

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 19, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nikolay picked up a metal pole from the parking lot and began hitting the car with the pole while shouting expletives at his wife.

This?

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he was referring to the “well we knew that” part. meaning before this incident, we knew Z was a douche.

So no, not that.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did that happen? I don’t believe it did. I think it was rumored he went over Lavy’s head to get more playing time. And given the circumstances, I don’t think that made him a DBag, hell, I’d probably do the same thing. If you wanted to think he was a DBag, that’s fine, but it’s all based on your own personal perception.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This story kind of confirms that he is, regardless of how I felt about him before. I like Zherdev’s talent, and I wanted him on the ice because I thought he could help us win. That’s it. I generally don’t care how athlete’s conduct themselves in their personal lives as long as they’re productive. I still think he’s probably a dick, but that has nothing to do with hockey.

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you are being a revisionist and missing the point CCB made: That we didn’t know he was a DBag before this.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s fair. I thought he was, though. Perception confirmed

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve always though he was smug and arrogant. I’ve always thought Carter is lackadaisical and cocky. I have a lot of perceptions of different players, but I don’t know shit about them.

I still don’t know everything about this story either. I didn’t think Tiger’s wife was a DBag for allegedly chasing his car with a golf club given the circumstances…so if circumstances surface where he was just hitting the rear door with a pole out of frustration because he had been wronged in some egregious way by his wife, then I might not think he is a DBag for this either. Sure he has anger issues, but yeah, I can see trashing a car as an emotional out burst as long as he wasn’t trying to get in the car to her if the circumstances put him over the edge emotionally.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, true. I just don’t think that reaction is ever acceptable, and I tend to think it belies some fundamental flaw with their personality. Maybe I make that connection unfairly, but I don’t really care, haha

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never been put in the situation that Tiger Wood’s wife was…but if I was, I imagine I’d break something, whether it be mine, ours, or hers, something would definitely be smashed. So I can’t say one way or the other. I don’t like what is being reported, I don’t think it’s acceptable, I don’t think I would do it. But there are also some reports out there now that nothing happened and the people that ran this story don’t concern themselves with getting the story right. So who knows what happened at this point.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I would probably smash something, I just wouldn’t physically harm the other person. It’s perceived differently if it’s wife to husband, though.

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunate juxtaposition on my part there. I was referring to the Tiger Woods incident

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, you’re right. The story could have it’s fabrications

by mantis toboggan on May 19, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I once had to reshaft my 4 iron twice in one relationship…granted I never swung it at her (she was about 100 miles away at a different college), but it was more that when I got pissed off I would grab the closest golf club to me and slam it into something. Not exactly mature (I was about 18), but there’s a BIG difference between hitting someone and hitting something. Granted, I was hitting a heavy bag and not a car with a person in it, but still.

Like doubleh said…being pissed off and swinging at something due to a relationship problem isn’t indicative of physically abusing someone. It’s more likely a natural coping device so you can get your anger out in a way that’s not harmful to others. The thought of swinging the club at her never crossed my mind.

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by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I read that Homer even said Nik came to him and asked to be waived and when no one took him it “humbled” him and made him want to play more. Who knows what really happened though.

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t find anything when I google’d it.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

"His agent and Nik, obviously they’re not very happy with the situation and asked us to look around for options," Holmgren said. "Nothing really came of that through trade. We’ll see what happens with this."

from here:http://www.trentonian.com/articles/2011/02/23/sports/doc4d65bdbf2251b332830282.txt

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you are making a big leap about him asking to be waived, and so is the link. If he wasn’t going to get played, I don’t see how this makes him a bad guy, frankly I’d do the same thing. But he didn’t say waive me, but I think he said if you aren’t going to play me, look around for someone who will, which is a huge difference. The whole “as requested” in the philly.com link makes that leap too.

None of that made him a DBag, and none of it says he asked to be waived. It says he wanted options…even I’m implying that it meant options where he’ll get played as opposed to being a healthy scratch b/c Lavy didn’t like him.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm I’m reading as they asked to be traded and when that failed they asked to be waived.

I’m surprised I even posted that philly.com link, that website overall sucks.

Maybe I am leaping but that’s how I read into it….

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

They asked for options according to Homer, according to his agent, he wants to play somewhere. None of that is a waive me thing. I think both parties at that point were happy with it though. But it starts with a bad relationship with Z and Lavy, then with Lavy benching Z, then it goes to Z going above Lavy’s head for playing time (allegedly), then it goes to Z being a healthy scratch. Z is in a contract year back from the KHL, if he wants to be in the NHL, he needs to play. Z and agent go to Homer say they want options for him to be able to play. Team looks in to it, he gets waived.

It’s not like everything was fine and he wanted to be waived, and he certainly never came out and said waive me. And if he had, I don’t think I’d consider him a DBag. I think it came down to Lavy not wanting to use him, and Z wanting to play. There aren’t many options after that.

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by DLJr on May 19, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if it went down like this though:

Nik and Grossman go to Homer and say “Nik isn’t playing, if you’re not going to use him the way he should be used would you mind trading him?” Homer says “Sure we’ll look into trying that route”

Homer comes back with “Sorry no teams are interested”
Nik and/or Grossman come back with “Hmmm we find that hard to believe, he’s a good player with good skills someone wants him, waive him so we know you’re not lying about this”

Homer says “Ok sure” and does it and no one claims him.

I’m not saying it 100% went down like that but I wouldn’t doubt it either.

I do agree with the rest of what you said though.

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by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s still fine IMO because it starts with a guy trying to get back in the NHL with a coach that won’t play him. It’s a contract year and he was producing when used, both in the boxcar stats and the advanced metrics, but then was a healthy scratch because he and the coach don’t see eye to eye. It’s not like he went out of his way to get waived, his career was backed in to a corner, and he wanted to find a place to play. If things were going well and he was being played and wanted a trade or a way out, I’d feel differently.

Either way, we don’t know, and to the best of our knowledge, he never specifically asked to be waived.

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by DLJr on May 20, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just having seen him interact with people in person. Dude is a douche.

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by Ben Rothenberg on May 19, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad story

Terrible story God bles them both – if he had that passion on the ice ….

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by Fr. Orange and Black on May 19, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

You know it’s funny… it seemed like he did from time to time. He would get irrationally angry every once in a while, lay a nasty hit on someone, punch him in the face…

He did have passion, but it came out inappropriately a lot of the time (much like Ben Eager).

But I agree with you… I want the best for them both. They got married less than a year ago, in the summer of 2010.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on May 19, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Z was always pretty nasty. He was a cheap-shot artist on in Columbus.

Samesis

by JpH89 on May 19, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love how it’s automatically interpretted that Z must be mentally abusing his wife, and it couldn’t possibly be his wife mentally abusing Z. We all must here more about the story, before we pass judgment

inter arma enim silent leges

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 19, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

hear*

inter arma enim silent leges

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 19, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

....

I think next year there shouldnt be a flyers wives fight for lives carnival…. and instead there should be a flyers fight their wives carnival…. we could watch hartnell throw gloves at his ex wife in an obstacle course, zherdev throwing spaghetti and meatballs at his wife and briere trying to wrestle his ex wife….

by dominik7777 on May 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

In Soviet Russia, career destroy you!

Danny Fist-Pump Strikes Again!!!

by MeszarosKillsPeople on May 19, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I really had no idea Z was so villified here. I always thought we respected his skills, albiet his apparent lack of effort/passing/ and bad attitude were downsides. I can understand changing your opinion based on what were learning now (even though we should learn more of the story) but I’m surprised at how quickly that’s happening. And for the people saying their hatred is justified…why did Zherdev ever deserve anyones hate?

by ryan1 on May 19, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Most people reacting here made up their minds about him at the start of the season.

"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27

by Mike B on D on May 19, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Me included. Those who know me a bit better, know where I’m coming from though.

I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego. Go visit my website. I will keep you updated on every Simon injury.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren & Decapitate Kunitz.

by Katchis on May 19, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This why I always try to stay on your good side ;)

Teaching Travis how to Dougie since 2011.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!

by DLJr on May 19, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha :P

I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego. Go visit my website. I will keep you updated on every Simon injury.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren & Decapitate Kunitz.

by Katchis on May 19, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No offense here, but it does not matter. Jumping to conclusions is still jumping to conclusions.

"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27

by Mike B on D on May 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And did I ever say I’m approaching this in the right and unbiased way? No. I realize my opinion on Zherdev might be totally unjustified and I know I like to jump to a conclusion when it fits my prejudice and bias towards someone. It doesn’t bother me one bit though because majority of my comments on here isn’t even meant 100% seriously.

I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans.
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego. Go visit my website. I will keep you updated on every Simon injury.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren & Decapitate Kunitz.

by Katchis on May 19, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

“why did Zherdev ever deserve anyones hate?”

you tell me what he has done that shows he deserves to not be hated?
Maybe I’m an asshole but I generally don’t like anyone until they show me a reason to.

http://restorations.bandcamp.com/

by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

My opinion on him is that I don’t care for his public persona, but on the flip side I love Richards. Neither one is exactly cuddly with the public. That doesn’t mean they’re bad people in private…some people just don’t handle the spotlight well or deliberately try to keep it away from themselves. Doesn’t make you a bad person.

Defending Carter until 2021...

by Pardini36 on May 19, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you actively hate everyone you do not know? Dating scene must not work well for you. o Or dealing making friends. Or working with new people… The list goes on.

"In fact, it is probably safe to say, the statement "I am a hockey fan" is the same as "I hate gary bettman."- bfrank27

by Mike B on D on May 19, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I thought I was bad; I generally nothing people unless they give me a reason to either dislike or like them.

Teaching Travis how to Dougie since 2011.
Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!

by DLJr on May 19, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, if I’m not friends with you or close at all, then I do not like you. It really makes making new friends tough (but who even wants new friends after you hit 30?) I’m pretty secluded. But like most misanthropes I do have a few very good close friends. It’s tough but it is what it is. Sure there’s probably millions of awesome people, but I grew tired of sorting through all the assholes to find one or 2 awesome legit human beings. If that makes sense? I’m friendly enough and if you start a conversation I won’t walk away or be a dick, but for the most part, I don’t like anyone when I first meet them.

I tried giving people the benefit of the doubt, but like the sorting through assholes part all I found were people I wouldn’t want as friends anyways. Maybe I’m too picky, actually I 100% am.

Fuck just talking about it makes me feel weird.

DLJr- I started out that way and just couldn’t take all the disappointments out of people.

http://restorations.bandcamp.com/

by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

On further thoughts, I don’t “actively” hate anyone, I just don’t like them.

http://restorations.bandcamp.com/

by Val_d'Or on May 19, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure you’re not Morrissey?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on May 19, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

positive, I even dislike him.

http://restorations.bandcamp.com/

by Val_d'Or on May 20, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess when....

Holmgren called him strange it was justified.

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SUPER 8 BITCHES

by sophiejo on May 19, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

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