Wednesday Morning Fly By: Must Win Tonight
by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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- Injury updates, including Jeff Carter skating at practice today: [Frequent Flyers] [Flyer Files]
- Mike Richards will just keep shooting because they have to start going in soon: [Daily News] [Inquirer]
- "Laviolette says the Flyers' makeup is such that no goalie should have to steal a game because of the supporting cast around him." And he's right: [CSNPhilly]
- But don't tell that to Sam Donnellon: "OK, I'll say it: Tonight is the night we need you to steal one, Brian." [Daily News]
- Peter Laviolette started the head games, taking the headlines away from his team: [Daily News] [Inquirer]
- Other than that, nobody really believes Lavy when he says the pressure is on the Bruins: [delcotimes.com]
- How will the Flyers stop the Milan Krejci line? [CSNPhilly]
- The Flyers say the Game 2 effort was good enough to win: [Philly Sports Daily] [NHL.com]
- Looking at where Nikolay Zherdev and Carter scored their goals to show that a JVR - Carter - Giroux line is optimal: [TheCheckingLine]
- Meanwhile, the Bruins want to improve on their effort from Game 2: [NHL.com]
- The Flyers are using video to their advantage: [NHL.com]
- Remember when the Flyers traded for Evgeni Nabokov? What could have been... [SBNation.com]
- I have to agree here that it is time to retire Kate Smith: [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- Another edition of Jackson's Five, wondering if it is time to panic: [CSNPhilly]
- Arguing that the Flyers leaders are setting a bad example on the ice: [Puck Daddy]
- In case you disagreed, Bourne clarified and makes an ever better point: [Bourne's Blog]
- Mike Emrick and 24/7 won Emmys this year: [SBNation.com]
- First there was the Flyers = Nazis, now we present the Wheeling Nailers = Jesus Christ. Serious: [SBNation.com]
- Hey, congratulations to Eric for winning the FanPost contest: [Behind the Net]
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It’s painful to admit but the Jason Bourne article is pretty damn accurate.
Then I get down to the comments and I want to send Seal Team 6 after each and every commenter.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
both of those Bourne articles are vaguely accurate…yes, Pronger shouldn’t have slashed Paille, that was pretty stupid. However, the penalty he took in the Buffalo series was a crappy call, the goaltending hasn’t been atrocious, and who knows what would’ve happened if Kaleta hadn’t been introduced to Richards’ elbow? I agree that the Flyers need to be disciplined, but I don’t think they’ve been undisciplined enough to warrant an article+a short blurb in a blog.
And those commenters do need to diaf…
the goaltending hasn’t been atrocious
This, too. Justin Bourne is a good writer but it really bothered me that he just took the lazy route when approaching the Flyers. Blah blah blah their goaltending sucks. Whatever.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
They all seem to, and it’s what perpetuates this “Flyers have no goaltending” year after year after year. It’s dishonest.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
I agree. I was about to make the same point (and probably still will) in my comments about the Nabokov what-if article.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
NHL network did a preview of the series and they actually got it right, they said (paraphrased):
“It’s not that the Flyers have had bad goaltending for the past 20 years, if you look at it objectively they’ve actually had some decent and even good goaltending, they’ve just never had the type of goaltending that can win you a series.”
I think that’s pretty accurate. I can’t really say our goaltending has cost us any series except perhaps the Stanley Cup final last year (yes Niemi wasn’t good, but that’s like saying “the kid next to me also got a C!”) I just don’t remember any point in time that our goaltending won us a series in my adult life.
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Yet teams have won Cups without that kind of goaltending. Osgood and Niemi are the first to pop to mind, but I could definitely find others if I look (after work, maybe).
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by The Dark on May 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, you can win without a rock solid goalie. You just need a team that’s really talented, deep, healthy, and yes, lucky. IMO the blackhawks last year and the ’08 wings were better than the Flyers this year especially with Pronger out.
Well in the offseason we tried to go for goaltending and that didn’t pan out, so instead we added even more depth and talent to our already deep and talented team. The unfortunate part are those “healthy” and “lucky” attributes, because we have no control over them.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I agree, it’s totally unfortunate. I wish I knew what the best approach to building a Cup winning team was. Since there are so many variables beyond your control, maybe the best plan is just giving yourself as long a window as possible (keep drafting, don’t trade away young talent for aging veterans, etc.) and hope it goes your way one year.
I think so many different approaches have won, so it’s impossible to say what is best. It comes down to how you play on those given days and who you’re up against.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
In my opinion, the playoffs are essentially random after the first round.
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Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
I like to think of it more that the regular season isn’t completely indicative of the strength of your team. If it were we wouldn’t need the playoffs.
Also, you can’t play at a playoff intensity for 82 games + up to 28 playoff games. The whole team would be dead. Older guys know how to pace themselves to be ready for the playoffs. The point of the regular season is to first make the playoffs, then to give yourself the easiest road you can. The point of the playoffs is to win the Cup. Obviously the mentality changes at a championship level.
Also, coaching changes in the playoffs. You see the goalie 7 times, the defense gameplans more for players. In the regular season you have one or two practices to prepare, so you have certain ways you prepare and play against certain styles. In the post season you have 14 or 15 practices (maybe more) to prepare for a specific team.
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I’ve never been a big believer in “who you’re up against.” Sure, it helps to have an easier matchup, but in the the end you have to beat four teams. Ideally you avoid a team that has been able to beat you in the past, but everyone goes in knowing they have to beat four teams four times in order to win.
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Good point. I started to regret that as soon as I hit post.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I still think match ups make a big part of it. The Flyers were lucky to not have to face either the Pens or Caps last year. Getting the Habs in the ECF is part of the good graces of the playoffs.
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Yes, but you still have to face four relatively good teams. It’s not like you have a choice between a matchup with the Pens or Caps vs a matchup with the Islanders or Sens.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Yes, you have to face relatively good teams. And in the regular season you have to face NHL teams. Who cares. there is a difference between drawing the Habs versus the Caps/Pens last year. getting that match up is one of the many “luck” factors that go in to making it to the Finals. A team doesn’t make it to the Finals without getting some luck in one form or another.
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Every team gets their chances to win unless they’re just completely outmatched. Every team also gets a chance to lose.
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And luck is involved. It’s part of making it. Weather it’s avoiding a fluke injury in the playoffs or late in the regular season, drawing a favorable matchup, getting a shot wide through the net called a goal, having a phantom offsides call against you…all teams have some form of luck that play a part in their deep runs.
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Yes, before I made the mistake of using the phrase “who you’re up against,” I had mentioned luck.
So…violent agreement?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Low Five it is. I just hate to see you back off the match up thing so easily, because it is part of it.
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Yea, I think our goaltending this year isn’t as good as it has been in years past, but it’s okay. It’s good enough to win. That being said, the thing is that the softer goals we let in are debilitating. Imagine how formidable this team would be with a top 10 goalie…
Yes, I know ESS% and a lot of stats say that difference doesn’t matter, and I agree with this to a point, but pressure will always find your weakest point. Can we really say that during these playoffs our goaltending hasn’t been our weakest?
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I just don’t remember any point in time that our goaltending won us a series in my adult life.
Because the teams were never built for that to happen. That’s like saying “I can’t remember any months where my house generated electricity for me.” Well, install some solar panels and maybe you can say that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not at all. If you don’t build a team that needs/can have a goalie steal a series, why are you shocked that it hasn’t happened?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea but I had a goalie. The house not generating electricity doesn’t have solar panels. That was a terrible analogy.
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But you had a house. You have a goalie.
You have a house that will do it’s job, and you have a goalie that will do his job. You’re asking your goalie to do something he isn’t capable of doing, just like you’re asking a house to do something it isn’t capable of doing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps if you use the whole quote and not just a few words
I think that’s pretty accurate. I can’t really say our goaltending has cost us any series except perhaps the Stanley Cup final last year (yes Niemi wasn’t good, but that’s like saying "the kid next to me also got a C!") I just don’t remember any point in time that our goaltending won us a series in my adult life.
You made an awful analogy.
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I really didn’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You really did. Had I said “Our goalie doesn’t make saves” and we never had a goalie, that’s akin to “My house doesn’t make electricity” to “The house doesn’t have solar panels”
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I can think of multiple times people have made an analogy (allegory?) between a statement made on this site about hockey and a statement about random inanimate objects.
I can’t think of any instance where the person who made the original statement said “ohhhhh, you’re right, I didn’t mean to say solar panels/bananas/staplers.”
Was the team in front of Biron that drastically different from what we have now? Sure, some of the names have changed, but has the philosophy of the team makeup changed that much?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Not the philosophy, no. I’m just referencing a goalie who did in fact steal us a series. It helped that Price was atrocious as well. As a Flyers fan, that series was bizarro world
by mantis toboggan on May 4, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Esche was also excellent in the Flyers run in 2004. He put up a .931 ESS%. Biron was excellent as well post lock out with a .923. Those are two very good examples of having great runs from goalies in the playoffs for the Flyers. Cechmanek also put up some very good numbers. But despite having great numbers, they still weren’t the best of the play off goaltenders. But clearly they’ve had performances good enough to be a large part of winning a series.
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Agreed. The teams in front of Czechmanek weren’t that good, and eff injuries and Ruslan Fedotenko.
by mantis toboggan on May 4, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
To amplify further, the Flyers have almost always received above-average goaltending in the playoffs:
I bet there are not many teams that have had such consistent playoff goaltending over such a long timespan. I don’t mean to say that the Flyers have had great, consistent goalies, but they have been fairly lucky/clutch/good in the playoffs.
Eric could you put Marty Broduer’s numbers of that same span in the playoffs if you could that would be really good visual comparison.
Overlaying that Data would make a strong visual and hopefully make that point all the Flyers goaltenders over the last decade have pretty much been around the greatest goalie of all times numbers in the playoffs over that span who won 3 cups.
Here are the numbers I can’t upload anything visual
98 – 0.927
99 – 0.856
2000 – 0.927
2001 – 0.897
2002 – 0.938
2003 – 0.934
2004 – 0.902
2006 – 0.923
2007 – 0.916
2008 – 0.891
2009 – 0.929
2010 – 0.881
50% of the years the Flyers had better than Broduer goaltending.
3 others 2003, 2002, 2009are probably less than 1% lower.
And yet the Flyers save considerable cost on the cap going with the guys and yielded similar results.
Is there a way to adjust that based on performance?
Maybe a weighted average based on playoff rounds? If you win the get it counts 5x, if you lose in round 1 it’s only 1x? That would weight the years with success more than the years without success, but would it show anything?
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What would that show?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, okay. I thought you were using Biron to refute Geoff’s “because the teams were never built for [the goalie to steal the series]” statement.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Don’t think any team is “built” around the notion our goalie would get hot and win us the Cup. GM wakes up and goes I will assemble a mediocore group of forwards and hope they overachieve in front of a goalie that stands on his end.
That tactic usually only reserved for lower seeded teams who make unexpected runs the Buffalo Sabers under previous ownership.
But we had a chance with better goaltending. We really, really did.
by mantis toboggan on May 4, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
But they didn’t. I’m talking about the situation as it was, just add better goaltending to the Flyers.
by mantis toboggan on May 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I’m convinced that if Quennville didn’t split up Toews, Kane and Buff, we would’ve won. Why did he have to go and do his job?
by mantis toboggan on May 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I stand by my argument that we lost because we tried to do it with 4 dmen and they got worn down by the time we reached the SCF.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Also, other team just had ridiculous/healthy depth on their roster.
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We only had 4 D-Men who could play and yeah that was it. This year it is injuries and maybe a red hot Tim Thomas that would be blame. No Pronger No Cup.
Just because their goalie was bad doesn’t mean ours was okay. We could have won had we gotten better goaltending, but we also might still have lost. The Blackhawks were better than us last year given the teams both organizations put on the ice.
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I disagree. Mr. Bourne only remembered the parts of the Buffalo series he wanted to remember.
I thought for the most part that the Flyers showed great restraint in the Buffalo series. The Sabres were doing a lot of stuff after the whistle, and for the most part the Flyers did not retaliate.
And he speaks of the Flyers as if they’re a team of rookies who are all clearly confused by the play of Mike Richards and Chris Pronger. Who was not here on last year’s run? Bob (rookie), Meszaros (veteran), O’Donnell (grizzled veteran), Zherdev (veteran), Versteeg (veteran), Shelley (veteran), Rinaldo (doesn’t count).
Yes, those players are clearly going to be confused and not know whether or not they should be disciplined on the ice, all because of what Chris Pronger did for a minute in Game One against Boston.
Please.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I know people really seem to like Bourne, but he comes off as awful whiney to me. And I’ve never read a damn thing from him that was complimentary toward the Flyers, even though I know there’s no tin foil involved.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
That and make your bones on who you are not on who your dad and your fiancee’s dad were. I know he uses this to enhance his credibility, but there are plenty of great hockey writers that have never strapped on a pair of skates for an open skate much less an actual game.
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Yeah, he seems to mention this in every other article.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
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The number of bonehead penalties in that series was far too high for both teams.
We both complain about how many penalties got called and most of them were just players being lazy.
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Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
As San Jose Sharks fans know, Nabokov could be one of the most maddening and brilliant goaltenders in the NHL. Acrobatic and competitive, Nabokov often made stops of the spectacular nature, though his lowlights contained goals-against of the groan-inducing variety. No one ever doubted Nabokov’s skill set but his focus somehow went soft at just the wrong times, letting in heartbreaking goals at inopportune moments.
Sounds like a Flyer goalie to me.
Am I getting soft in my old age? I am actually feeling kind of bad for the Caps, in a pity sort of way. Tampa just doesn’t stop playing. They are motivated in a really scary way. Not sure how you get that kind of effort out of a team. Maybe it’s leadership?
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Am I getting soft in my old age? I am actually feeling kind of bad for the Caps, in a pity sort of way.
Nope, not there yet, probably never will be. In fact, them shitting the bed is the one thing that hasn’t put me completely in the red over the Flyers struggles. As frustrating as the Flyers can be at times I can always count on the Caps choking in the playoffs, right up there with death and taxes, and athletes getting stabbed by their wives/girlfriends/mistresses/road beefs.
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Don’t get me wrong I am not wishing them success, but it’s almost sad how that team just doesn’t get it done mixed with a drop of confoundedness that the lightning are incapable of making the simplest mistake cost them everything. I view the woes of the caps in the same light I view the Flyers woes. I mean they played a scary good game monday night and one sequence of mental lapse and it’s over. It’s depressing.
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Nope, not there yet, probably never will be. In fact, them shitting the bed is the one thing that hasn’t put me completely in the red over the Flyers struggles. As frustrating as the Flyers can be at times I can always count on the Caps choking in the playoffs, right up there with death and taxes, and athletes getting stabbed by their wives/girlfriends/mistresses/road beefs.
couldnt agree more
A real ovechtrick is a disappearing act in the playoffs. Like a magic trick.
by bfrank27 on May 4, 2011 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ovechkin has 25 goals and 49 points in 36 NHL playoff games. This is just not true.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
It was more of a team thing. Like he’s the magician and the team is his lovely assistant whom he makes dissapear which is a trick within a fantastic performance.
by bfrank27 on May 4, 2011 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He makes Backstrom stop scoring? As a joke, this is funny. But people honestly believe it is true, which infuriates me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
2007-08: 8 points in 7 games
2008-09: 14 points in 14 games
2009-10: 2 points in 7 games
2010-11: 6 points in 8 games
He’s also a beast in the playoffs.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Backstrom has decent stats too, save for this year. The problem is Semin disappeared last year, and Backstrom is doing it this year. Their overall numbers are good, but one bad playoff performance can cost your team an entire season, which is what has happened with the Caps. That and the ridiculous luck of the Canadiens and Lightning.
by mantis toboggan on May 4, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed entirely. Which is why claims of Ovechkin or the Caps being chokers is either completely false or a gross overstatement based on a poor 7-game stretch.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t accuse Ovechkin of choking. The Caps obviously aren’t good enough. You can only blame so much bad luck before you need to look in the mirror and wonder what you can do to make a break.
The regular season to the playoffs is like comparing college or juniors to the majors. Just because you can completely dominate college football doesn’t mean you’re going to dominate the NFL. Some teams are Alexander Daigle. Was he a bust? No. /he was a good player…he just wasn’t Lemieux. That’s kind of how I view the Caps.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The 07 Caps have no value on the 11 Caps. The 10 Caps have no bearing on the 08 Caps. Saying “the team” is Daigle is… ridiculous.
If you want to say Bruce Boudreau is a terrible coach, and he is the common link on disappointing teams, I would agree with you. But saying that “the Caps are chokers” is dumbing everything down to a second-grade level, and ignoring reality.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Then you are ignoring the regular season.
Now your argument will then say that the regular season is different from the post-season, and that while they have proven that they can consistently beat the NHL over a much larger-82 game sample, it is the much smaller 7 game sample that proves who is better.
It is a circular argument where you will have to claim the President’s Trophy winners are really only the 8th best team in the NHL, if that. If you want to say the regular season doesn’t matter, and doesn’t show who is a good team, well, enjoy making that statement.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want to say a team that doesn’t win when it counts is still the best team, enjoy making that statement.
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Then you have a long list of bad teams in front of you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The “best team” is clearly subjective here. There’s obviously something to be said for a team that does extremely well in the regular season, and I do think the “best team” typically establishes itself at least in the top 5 over the course of one. The team that wins the Stanley Cup is almost always one of these teams, so there’s a pretty strong correlation between champion and regular season success. Sometimes the top teams get knocked out due to luck, match-ups, whatever. But I do think there is such a thing as choking, even though I’m attributing it to the Capitals’ struggles. No one will be able to convince me that McNabb and the Eagles didn’t choke in big spots. Human emotion factors into athletic performance, and never have I seen that more evident than in Donovan McNabb. He threw up in the friggin Super Bowl. I’m not going attribute the Eagles’ NFC championship and Super Bowl failures to small sample size.
by mantis toboggan on May 4, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
*not attributing it to the capitals’ struggles
by mantis toboggan on May 4, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The league considers you successful if you win a division or two playoff series, as that is how they allocate draft order. So that’s what i go with as well.
Except that year the caps won their division while tied for 8th in the east. That one doesn’t count.
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I used to get sick before exams, but I always performed very well on them. Funny thing was, that never happened to me with sports, even in the most competitive games I had played. But anyway, just throwing that out there.
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Meh, throwing up can also be a physiological response to exertion or heat/humidity. I never blamed the guy for throwing up in that situation. If we wanna say he’s a choker that’s fine, I just refuse to acknowledge that one incident as evidence.
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That was just the cherry on top, the interceptions and overall crappiness being the ice cream.
by mantis toboggan on May 4, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The playoff format allows this argument to be made, the caps had for a while been the beneficiaries of a very weak division along with being a good team (much like this years canucks). If you get matched up with a team that beats your system/play style and you lose, that doesnt mean you’re not a better team.
If the playoffs were round robin/tournament style it would be more likely that the “better/best” teams would end up in the finals.
The regular season does say in part who the good teams are. But you can be a good team without question and still not win in a long time (or ever), much like (unfortunately) the flyers.
Truth.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG CAPS SUX DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!111
(They actually do.)
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by Ben Rothenberg on May 4, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They actually don’t. We could argue this forever.
But why we can’t just agree that Bruce Boudreau sucks and leave it at that is beyond me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No shit. But there is a mountain of evidence that suggest their 8-year old explanation is not accurate.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the old perception is reality thing. I don’t disagree with you, but people believe what they want to believe. I, for one, am surprised at the current state of the Caps-Bolts series.
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Exactly. People believe what they want to believe, regardless of facts.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you let the facts get in the way of perfectly good perception?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
They suck in the playoffs.
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Define “they”
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The team as a whole. Individual players may do well but one player, even two can’t really carry you to a cup.
Their coach is pretty terrible and i think he has a big part in all of this but he isn’t the only reason.
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The 07 Caps were different from the 08 Caps who were different from the 09 Caps who were different from the 10 Caps who are different from the 11 Caps.
To quote Seinfeld, everyone is arguing that laundry is not built to win in the playoffs.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But the constant is Boudreau, who has yet to guide them to a Cup, despite all the various combinations of good players they’ve tried. Doing the same thing over and over again (having a good regular season) and expecting different results (not sucking in the playoffs) is insanity starting to indicate a problem with the coaching.
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If everyone said “Bruce Boudreau is a terrible coach who is not able to win in the playoffs”, I would agree and not argue.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
But as Mike pointed out, the Capitals have little to no success in the playoffs. Not just the 07 or 08 or 09 or ’10 or present Caps, but the Caps of just about every single season they have made the playoffs.
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Again, laundry. Does the 1998 Capitals run to the SCF prove they aren’t chokers? Then why does the 2007 game 7, OT playoff loss in round one prove they are?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say they were chokers. I said they suck in the playoffs. Not getting past the 2nd round of the playoffs 91% of the time is pretty much the definition of shitty in the playoffs. The reasons for that may be different every year but the end result seems to be the same,
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Yes, the statement: “The Caps as a franchise have historically not gotten far in the playoffs” is true.
But… that statement is true for half of the league.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But… that statement is true for half of the league.
Which is fantastic, but that doesn’t make my statement any less true.
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But it does make your statement less informative.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t meant to be informative.
They suck in the playoffs is a factual correct statement, which is all it was ever meant to be. The fact that it would be a factually correct statement for half the league does not make that statement any less legitimate.
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Well, thank you for the non-informative statement :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Could you say the Capitals CORE of whoever you want to define it Ovi, Semin, Backstrom, Green are chokers in the playoffs.
Plus losing 3 straight Game 7 on home ice = choking. They should have made more wholesale changes to their CORE group and tired to get young center for SEMIN to spread out the scoring.
Could you say the Capitals CORE of whoever you want to define it Ovi, Semin, Backstrom, Green are chokers in the playoffs.
Show me proof that they choke. Ovechkin is a playoff stud. Semin had one bad playoff out of four, same with Backstrom. This argument is lacking from the start.
Plus losing 3 straight Game 7 on home ice = choking.
You will never convince me that losing one game per year for 3 years means they choke. Ever. And when one of them comes in OT on a penalty kill, another Game 7 where the Caps have a tying goal waved off due to a phantom interference call, and a Game 7 loss to the Stanley Cup Champions, it looks even more weak.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I glanced at this and they seem to have a large number of playoff losses to the Islanders in the 80s.
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83: New York Islanders over Washington Capitals 3-1
84: New York Islanders over Washington Capitals 4-1 (r2)
85: New York Islanders over Washington Capitals 3-2
86: New York Rangers over Washington Capitals 4-2 (But they beat NYI)
87: New York Islanders over Washington Capitals 4-3
88: New Jersey Devils over Washington Capitals 4-3 (r2)
89: Philadelphia Flyers over Washington Capitals 4-2
NYI: Caps weakness.
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The Islanders finally sucked.. But then...
90: Boston Bruins over Washington Capitals 4-0 (r3)
91: Pittsburgh Penguins over Washington Capitals 4-1 (r2)
92: Pittsburgh Penguins over Washington Capitals 4-3
93: New York Islanders over Washington Capitals 4-2 (then NYI lost to the penguins)
94: New York Rangers over Washington Capitals (but they beat the penguins!)
95: Pittsburgh Penguins over Washington Capitals 4-3
Then, finally, the caps and penguins were in different divisions… but now with no more division round…
96: Pittsburgh Penguins over Washington Capitals 4-2
98: Detroit Red Wings over Washington Capitals 4-0
In other random news, how many cup champs did they lose to, 6?
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Whoa, get these facts out of here.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to finish out the string
00: Pittsburgh Penguins over Washington Capitals 4-1
01: Pittsburgh Penguins over Washington Capitals 4-2
03: Tampa Bay Lightning over Washington Capitals 4-2
08: Philadelphia Flyers over Washington Capitals 4-3
09: Pittsburgh Penguins over Washington Capitals 4-3
10: Montreal Canadiens over Washington Capitals 4-3
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Caps Playoff Losses:
Penguins: 7
Islanders:5
Flyers: 2
Rangers: 2 (but a ton of wins)
Lightning: 2 1
Devils: 1
Habs: 1
Red Wings: 1
One wonders if perhaps the massive Penguins hate actually pre-dated the whole Ovi/Crosby thing
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That would require holdover Caps fans from the early 90s
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It definitely did.
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by Ben Rothenberg on May 4, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
After the way he turned their team around when he first became coach, I thought he was incredible. But when they fail in the playoffs year after year, that starts to come into question. Maybe they need a regular season coach and a playoffs coach?
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I think their talent shows up in the regular season despite their coach, and their coach’s failures show up in the playoffs.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you think his failures are specifically? I’m not disagreeing here, just curious what you think.
I don’t watch every game, nor do I research his matchups etc., so I will be using my eyes here:
He is far too quick to yank his goalies, he does not use his best players effectively, his power play (probably an assistant’s fault) is not nearly as good as it should be, he is not an x’s and o’s kind of guy, so he cannot explain what his team is doing well/poorly good enough, and it would appear as if he is unable to game plan around teams.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. If people want a reason for the Caps have failed to reach an ECF the last four years, it isn’t because “they suck”, “they choke”, or “they aren’t built to win in the playoffs”. It’s because their coach is not a good coach.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
See below. Apparently laundry is not built to win in the playoffs.
I am curious as to why some franchises have a good deal of playoff success, and others do not. The Caps have had some very good teams over the years and have literally nothing to show for it in the playoffs… ever.
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So you are saying it is entirely on the coach?
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I’m saying it is a combination of coach + luck + matchups + skill
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll actually agree with this from a historical perspective, much as I hate to generalize.
- Seasons Played: 36.
- Playoff Appearances: 22.
- First-Round Losses: 13.
- Second-Round Losses: 6 (7 if they lose once in the next four opportunities)
- Conference Finals Losses: 1
- Cup Finals Losses: 1
- Cups: 0
If the Caps – Lightning series plays out as expected, the Capitals will have gotten no further than the second round in 20 out of 22 playoff appearances, or 90.9% of the time.
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That laundry just isn’t built to win in the playoffs.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
But as I said above, I’m really curious as to why they’ve never done anything. They have had some excellent teams over the years.
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DC Water makes people choke?
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by Ben Rothenberg on May 4, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say excellent. But losing in Game 7 to the eventual Stanley Cup Champions is not anything that screams “chokers”. Losing in Game 7, in OT, on a questionable PP goal to a team that would go to the ECF is not something that screams “chokers”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
But why we can’t just agree that Bruce Boudreau
sucksis fat and leave it at that is beyond me.
Or:
But why we can’t just agree that Bruce Boudreau
sucksis what Santy Clauz would look like if he shaved, got a haircut, and wore contacts and leave it at that is beyond me.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
But why we can’t just agree that Bruce Boudreausucksis what Santy Clauz would look like if he shaved, got a haircut, and wore contacts, replaced every other word with f*ck and it’s variants and leave it at that is beyond me.
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Another incorrect statement.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I expected more. I was hoping you had a word file saved on your desktop debunking this, ready for copy and paste.
That would be takin the bait. :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not that he chokes, its that he tries to do way too much. I live in MD, so I have plenty of friends that are Caps fans. As great a player as he is, they constantly swear at him for trying to carry the puck into the zone against 3 guys. Also BB is a terrible coach. He refuses to make adjustments, doesn’t hold his team accountable save a few players, and is constantly making excuses (travel delays, hot goalie, bad calls, etc).
I don’t agree with FGSB and I don’t see myself doing so in the foreseeable future. For one thing, his argument is not persuasive at all. It basically states. “She’s dead. I don’t like the song. Lauren Hart can do it by herself.” Well, respectively, duh, too bad, she gets to…41 (give or take) times per year. You hardly sold me on that, Ryan. Not to mention the fact that Lauren Hart has said publicly that she loves it as much as anyone and gets emotional every time. When i interviewed Erica Gagliardi she said that when she got to sing it it was one of the biggest moments in her life. Sure, the Flyers lost by like 5 and Lindros got poked in the eye but she was more than willing to do it and was proud that she was able to.
“God Bless America” gets the Wells Fargo Center going like nothing else could. In games that are big, games that mean something, there is no better way to get the crowd into it from the puck drop. It’s a wonderful tradition, in my opinion one of the greatest in all pro sports, that pays tribute to the team, their history, their present and America. Yes, Kate Smith is dead. So is Barry Ashbee, do you want to take his banner down? If we get rid of Kate Smith we might as well change the logo and color scheme too. Her voice is a part of the Flyers organization and shouldn’t be cast aside.
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Don’t you mean fucking eh right? You did say french canadian after all.
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I don’t mean to be a joke killer, but I always operated under the assumption it was pretty much the Anglo Canadians who say “eh” while the French Canadians say Le Boo.
And then they lose and it’s “le boo-hoo” while they torch police cars.
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To me, it’s more of the fact that they do it every playoff game now…so it loses it’s meaning/luster. I’d rather them save it for must wins, or big games. I know every game in the playoffs is important, but at the same time, if that rendition is supposed to be so special, don’t play it every game.
It has nothing to do with the memory of Kate, or at least it shouldn’t…but it should have everything to dow ith the fact that it’s overused in every game of the playoffs. Just cut it back, and save it for the big ones. The crowd will be pumped regardless…it’s the playoffs.
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In my opinion, every playoff game is a must win.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
I know every game in the playoffs is important, but at the same time, if that rendition is supposed to be so special, don’t play it every game.
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I think we should do GBA every game regardless from now on. It is a better song and adds a bit of individuality to our home arena. You could switch it up a bit by either letting Lauren do it herself, Kate do it herself or Do the duet for really important games. But we should use it all the time.
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They are not just important. They are all must wins.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
Are recent success is to blame. We should just stop getting so many home playoff games every year that what we don’t have to be bothered by Kate Smith.
They weren’t using it every home playoff game before. I think they did last game, but during their run to game 7 of the ECF against Tampa, they did not.
It’s one of those things that used to get me fired up for a playoff game when they would choose to play it…now it’s just part of the schedule.
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I understand but unlike you I and the majority of fans don’t get to go too many / every playoff game the only time being game 6 against Tampa in 2004 and being there for the God Bless America Tradition was a big part of that amazing experience.
If I ever get tickets again to a playoff game I would be very disappointed to not get to be part of the Kate Smith / Lauren Hart God Bless America.
I agree with Don. It is not time to retire Kate Smith, it is time to stop overusing her in the playoffs.
If you are looking for a way to cutback, the answer is to do the Kate Smith rendition only in home playoff elimination games in the first three rounds and every home game in the Stanley Cup Finals.
That’s a fair trade off, is it not?
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No. The reason you do it is for the luster of the big game. If you do it all the time, then GBA at Flyers games loses its luster.
Also, The Star Spangled Banner is a very difficult song to sing and sing properly (NOTE: Not everyone who sings that song sings it properly). Lauren Hart can sing it properly. That alone is a gift worth treasuring when in the same era you have people like Patti LaBelle screaming every word and Christina Aguilera forgetting the lyrics on much bigger stages.
If you save it for elimination games and Stanley Cup Finals games, you get the impact of using it at a big game while not over-using it. Another appropriate time to use GBA is the first game after a major patriotic event (i.e. the night after Osama bin Laden was shot and killed)
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NO!
No. It is our niche and we should make it part of the regular fabric of the games. Alter how it is done for bigger games.
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I disagree. The tradition of using it only for important games and having an incredible record when we do use it. To switch it up and use it for every game, regardless of importance, now throws 30 years of tradition out the window and destroys it’s power.
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Agreed…hence my problem with that line of thinking.
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I am looking at it as we haven’t won shit in 35 years regardless so what power does it really possess. I just like it more then SSB.
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I like it when Lauren throws in GBA every now and then during the regular season. I like it when they toos in Kate as a duet or solo for thee big rivalry games on occasion, and the must wins.
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They should throw us a Kate solo if they make it back to Philly. She is the magic behind the song. I love Lauren but it’s Kate’s.
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Okay, honest question. I’ve never been to a regular season home game against a Canadian team; during the regular season, so in those cases does Lauren sing both anthems? Because if she does, changing it to doing GBA during every home game is going to rub a lot more people the wrong way than just using it for important ones does.
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They always sing both if a Canadian team is present.
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Okay. But then during the playoffs, she only does GBA or does she do Oh, Canada first and then GBA?
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Oh Canada 1st then GBA.
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Okay, that’s what I wasn’t sure about. I didn’t know if they still did Oh, Canada or if when they did GBA they just did that by itself.
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I’ve never been to a playoff game against a Canadian team, but I would imagine it would be “O Canada” first then GBA.
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That’s right they do it all the time. Aren’t the majority of their ticket base actually Canadian?
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Probably, but the estimate is about 10% of them actually come from Canada proper and not just almost-Canada. (Except leafs games)
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He’s a “swooper”.
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Of all the things to suffer through from living in Buffalo, hearing “O Canada” at a hockey game should be near the very bottom of the list.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
^THIS. It’s cold as shit up there. The wings only can do so much.
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You can get wings in better cities.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, they did invent them so they’re pretty good up there, but you’re right. I wouldn’t go there specifically to get wings…if I happened to be passing through, I’d stop for some, however.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Why is that worse? I’ve heard numerous reports that 15% of their season ticket holders are Canadian. I’m sure once you add on single ticket sales you get at least 25% of the fans in the arena having commuted over the bridge to get there. Getting from Ontario to HSBC arena is pretty much the same as coming over to the WFC from South Jersey. Besides unless their anthemist absolutely can’t sing, the Canadian anthem is pretty nice.
by DragonGirl0583 on May 4, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no issues with the Canadian National Anthem at all.
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I only don’t like it when they sing it at the end of an international game.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, that’s at least equal opportunity dislike, right? I don’t like hearing Russia or Sweden or anybody else being played after international games either
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yeah, pretty much. USA! USA! USA!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
As a proud American, I must confess I think the Canadian national anthem is much better than the American national anthem.
The Star Spangled Banner is a poem that when converted to song, was made very difficult to sing. The varying ranges needed to sing that song well this is something not every singer possesses. Also, the national anthem is only 1/3 of the actual poem that Key wrote. It was not written with the intention of being a national anthem.
As for what to change it to, well, therein lies the problem. Changing it to GBA opens its own unique can of worms……..My Country ’Tis of Thee, anyone?
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As a proud American, I must confess I think the Canadian national anthem is much better than the American national anthem.
Right there with you.
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It’s also about bombing shit, which disturbs me. Most people’s national anthems are about nice things: pretty land, love of country. Why wasn’t “America the Beautiful” the NA?
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Why wasn’t "America the Beautiful" the NA?
Because at the time people were pretty much huddled up along the eastern shore line…not that much beauty there.
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They didn’t make SSB the official anthem until 1931.
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I can see why they would make that song the national anthem then, although it does not make Star Spangled Banner as national anthem now any less odd.
I also forget that SSB is set to the tune of an old British drinking song. How patriotic!
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I knew there was a better song than My Country ’Tis of Thee that I was not thinking of. Best idea.
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My 7th grade band teacher said that one day, one of his students would write a new national anthem so that we could completely do away with the Star Spangled Banner because he disliked the song so much.
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My 7th grade band teacher said that one day, he hoped one of his former students would write a new national anthem so that we could completely do away with the Star Spangled Banner because he disliked the song so much.
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by Mitchell Green on May 4, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a great song, there’s no doubt.
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I’d bet that “My Country Tis of Thee” was NOT chosen as our national anthem because it is the same tune as “God Save The Queen,” the national anthem of the UK. However, I can’t back this up because I have no idea what our anthem would have been before the Star Spangled Banner was written/adopted. I’m going to go look this up now…
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I should clarify, before the Star Spangled Banner was implemented as the National Anthem in 1931, the United States did not have a national anthem. The Star Spangled Banner is our country’s first (and to this date) only anthem.
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This is my opinion too. Well said.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, so much more well said than the article you linked. I usually don’t get on you for your links but seriously besides having this jumping off point that article said less than nothing and I’m surprised you linked it.
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by KreiderDesigns on May 4, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I linked it because of the discussion topic, not so much the content of the post.
But I’m all for constructive criticism. And I do enjoy that you are used to quality in my links :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
This is hard to argue with because it’s so much better than Ryan’s argument.
I agree to disagree with you but I have to say that I don’t agree with the crowd being as pumped with as without. I really don’t think this is true. You’re there all the time so you might no better, I just know that I get so much more excited and juiced for a game after I hear Kate and Lauren than I do if I don’t. Hell last year I even played it before leaving the hotel to watch Game 7 in Chicago.
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by KreiderDesigns on May 4, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
The crowd is equally as pumped. They might not be as loud during the SSB as GBA with Kate Smith, but the Let’s Go Flyers before the they sing either song is just as loud…and before puck drop there isn’t any noticeable difference. And FWIW, throughout games in recent years, the crowd noise has been getting less and less frequent during games. I don’t think that has anything to do with Kate Smith, it’s just something I’ve noticed over the past 10+ years.
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IMO the CoreStates/First Union/Wachovia/Wells Fargo Center was never as loud as the Spectrum was. I remember the first game I went to there. I felt like I was in a library. I always assumed that was just because of the extra size, so you’re much further from the people on the opposite side of the arena. But who knows. Just the way I remember things from all those years ago…
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I would say keep God Bless America, use Kate sparingly. And never release when you are using Kate in advance.
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Geoff, you’re slacking….
Pretty good point DG. But I am not sure if it is truly slacking or a matter of basically not giving a shit. It could be a ratio of about 30% not giving a shit and 60% slacking. There is always 10% for intangibles that are immeasurable; such as heart, will and/or truculence. Hey Eric can we maybe get a chart?
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You guys don’t measure hustle or grit?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Not in this statistical study. The circumstances surrounding Geoff and his ratio of giving-a-shitness really is best measured with Heart, will and truculence. Now if we are analyzing creeper factor of the female persuasion hustle and grit would surely be taken into account.
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We make sure to measure new goalie mask though…it is very important around here.
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We combine these things in the stat “Cludergrustation.” This measures a player’s combined Clutchness, Leadership, Grit, Hustle, and Determination over 60 minutes of game play. It’s scarily accurate.
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by mikefive on May 4, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s Geoff. Neither hustle nor grit are relevant.
Bob.
by The Dark on May 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I love how you all noticed that I teased Geoff for not checking the Google doc, but not one of you actually cared to say Happy Birthday to him.
by DragonGirl0583 on May 4, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t personally like him!
//Sarcasm//
Happy Bday CCB!
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Technically, neither did you. :-P
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Dammit! I thought it was the 5th.
Fail on my part. Sorry CCB
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
And…….. Happy Birthday, right?
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Of course.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
“Milan Krejci line”?
No respect for the Goomba. NO RESPECT
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The caveman? Nathan Horton Hears a Who?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Nathan “Goomba” Horton, ya you betcha
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
No clue
Just what I first saw when we picked him up this past summer:
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you just do a braydon coburn triple fist pump?
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I couldn’t find a nice way to include him too…
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At SCoC for a little while to start the season, we called that line “The Mushroom Kingdom”
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.hulu.com/watch/4131/saturday-night-live-ask-president-carter
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I don’t understand the dislike for the Kate Smith God Bless America. Especially after that amazingly emotional moment that we saw on Monday. Traditions are a rare thing in sports these days. And this is an excellent tradition and should never go away. The Kate Smith national anthem links every generation of Flyers Faithful together and should continue to do so until the end of time.
I am so looking forward to answering my son or daughter when they ask “Who is that Old Fat Lady Singing on the TV?”
Should the Chicago Cubs retire singing take me out the ball game in the 7th inning?
Should Detroit stop throwing the octopus on the ice?
Should fans spot throwing hats on the ice for a hat trick?
Should Super Bowl MVP stop saying “I am going to Disney World?”
Should the Washington Capitals stop choking in the playoffs?
I say NO on all accounts tradition is good, history is important and understanding your teams past is what separates the true fan from the bandwagon jumpers.
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Should Detroit stop throwing the octopus on the ice?
If Gary Bettman has his way.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Random…. The octopus tradition was stated the same year Gary Bettman was born. That’s a weird coincidence.
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Does he hate the fans? or just everything we do to enjoy the game? Will he remove cheering next because it’s too distracting from the game?
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No one dislikes Kate Smith. What people dislike is the overuse of Kate Smith in the playoffs. In Flyers history, Kate Smith has been used, whether it be through live performances replays of past performances as are done now 116 times. If you sue her every game of the regular season alone, you will accomplish in less than three seasons a number that has been built on for 41 years. The tradition is not every game, the tradition is the good luck charm in the biggest of big games. Which is why I say it should only be used in elimination games regardless of if the Flyers are eliminating or on the verge of being eliminated (or both if it’s a Game 7) and the Stanley Cup Finals, because it is the Stanley Cup Finals. Continued use even as it is now (every home playoff game) will eventually lead to fan apathy to the whole ordeal. Kate Smith and GBA is something that should be treasured and saved for big events, not overused
And for what it’s worth, I have been a Flyers fan for as long as I can remember, which is right around the mid-1990s. Sue me for being born five years after Kate Smith died.
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being born three years after Kate Smith died.
I have been up since 6:00 and have taken a final and worked on a paper. My math is bad as it is, combine that with my lack of sleep and long day already, and it is even worse.
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That and do we really want to “sue” her?
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I said sue me, not sue her ;-)
I have not lost my ability to do grammar. Yet.
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I am only 29 and my fandom starts with the Crazy 8’s line in 92. I don’t think I am much older than you. But growing up watching every Flyers game with My Dad from the age of 10 – 11 listening to stories of the Bullies and learning the history through my Dad’s experience of growing up with the team for Day 1 in 1967 is an even bigger part of my overall Flyers fandom experience.
I don’t know if you have kids or anything yet I only have a 2 year old but when you do your perspective on these things changes a bit. For I want to have all those same memorable conversations with my kids that my father had with me.
Getting lessons on Kate Smith, Bobby Clarke, Michael Corleone and Darth Vader are some of the best memories of my childhood.
No one here is arguing to get rid of Kate Smith.
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I know but under the notion of only home game elimination games it could be, no matter how unlikely, a long time before we see her and the it becomes a slippery slope of who the hell is that.
Well it doesn’t have to be just home game elimination games. It could be for the occasional regular season game when 1st place in the division/conference is up for grab or a rivalry game (they do play it on occasion during the regular season). 1st game of the playoffs they could play it. Elimination games in either direction. Or game 5’s whatever. I just like it when it’s not always scheduled. When it seems like they think about when they should play it, it fires me up. When it seems like they go, oh it’s a playoff game que up Kate Smith, it just loses it for me.
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My children learned the word “Goosebumps” during the singing of GBA in Game 7 of the Buffalo series. Not just on me but my wife who didn’t watch hockey till adulthood. That is what that song and those singers do and that is pretty damn special if you ask me. No one has that in any sport.
So no, I don’t want to scrap it because we lost a few home games in the playoffs.
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They didn't learn it from RL Stine?
What awful parenting…
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by iJewJitsu on May 4, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Game 7 is a perfect reason for it. Game 2 during the 1st round against Buffalo…not so much. And that’s the point.
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Not enough JVR. I wanna focus on a positive. We witnessed a classic performance from this guy. However his career turns out, 20 years from now we will talk about this game.
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I’d rather get Carter back than Pronger. Maybe I’m alone in this one.
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My line of thinking is that Carter allows Lavy the ability to get out coached with matchups and have it not be that big of a deal.
Also, I’d like Nodl back if Carter isn’t ready.
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I forgot to tell you guys, I correctly answered a trivia question a few weeks back where the answer was “syzygy.” I only knew this because of whoever it was that recommended CZG as the name of that line. So I owe that person a beer.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I recommended “Syzygy” as a name for that line, and I don’t drink. If you must buy me something perishable, let it be an order of buffalo wings.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
If you still want to buy him a beer, it’s okay, he can give the beer to me. Mike will appreciate the gesture, I’ll appreciate the beer…double win.
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On DNL yesterday, they didn’t sound very hopeful.
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Well, Morganti a few days ago got into it with Panatch over the goalie sitch. That was pretty funny. Panatch is pretty negative, Morganti is a bit of a homer and Seravalli is somewhere in between. I also like when Les Bowen is on, because he can still talk the hockey.
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It seems to sound like Carter is more likely than Pronger at this point.
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Happy birthday CCB and JVR!!!
I’m in class during the game tonight, but GO FLYERS!!
Also, I know there’s a lot of debate above, but I agree that GBA should be sung before the playoff games. As many said above, there aren’t many traditions left in sports and I know that every time I watch GBA I get goosebumps.
Geoff, Travis….anyone, anyone.
You need to add a poll to the fly by this morning.
GBA all the time
GBA only for playoff games
GBA only for playoff elimination games
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Or game 82 when you need a win to get into the playoffs.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Done
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously fix the 3rd option. I have nothing to vote for on the poll. Or add play when the situation dictates.
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Added a 4th, and avoided a snarky stab at you too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s okay, i don’t mind stabs.
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No one else should vote for it now.
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No!
I’m with Don on this one. Not every (playoff) game calls for it, but more than just elimination games do.
Because if we’re only talking eliminations, we’re back to shitty talk…
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want it played all the time. It should be our signature.
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In place of the National Anthem, or along with?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
IN place. It should be our signature. We, in philly, play GBA before games.
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No lauren all the time. Roll out Kate alone or the duo for special games. Kate is still the special lady.
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I don’t mind this, though I’d miss the SSB, I’d get over it. I’m reading the poll as Kate Smith.
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Well, my aversion to playing hte National Anthem everywhere could probably get behind this.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Geoff
Well, my aversion toplaying hte National Anthem everywhereeverything could probably get behind this.
FTFY
This is probably more accurate.
I was just never a big fan of playing the National Anthem so frequently. It has lost its luster to me
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I am still waiting for some joker to do one of the other verses of the song…
Bob.
by The Dark on May 4, 2011 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I voted elimination games only, though I would more than welcome it for special occasions when the situation calls for it (something real special, though, like the night after Osama bin Laden was shot and killed).
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I think you should add a 5th option: “Whenever Ed Snider damn well feels like playing it.”
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That’s the 4th option.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Except that won’t necessarily jive with the “situation deems it necessary.” /just being snarky, BTW
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I rarely listen to Preston and Steve on 93.3 but I will always be grateful that ‘The Orange and the Black’ is one of their free downloadable (?) ringtones.
Oh, you need to listen to them more often then.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
GBA only for playoff elimination games only in select situations (this could range from rivalry games during the regular season to elimination games in the playoffs). Basically Situation dictates song.
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No other then playoffs it would be every game.
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No, because they don’t do that now.
I literally have nothing to vote for. If it’s an important regular season game, they do play it, it has happened. They didn’t play it every other game either.
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But you do have your black and white mind at work as always. Speaking of which…have you started measuring sphincter retraction for players in the playoffs yet?
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Well sometime in life you can’t be involved in some things.
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Looks like this isn’t one of them.
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The notion of the Carter-JVR-Giroux line in that articles continues to show how much Zherdev is the odd man out. I would try him with Versteeg Richards I guess and see how that goes.
They should try Z with Harts and Briere. It would be interesting to see if he fills the same role
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Really? I think that article is missing crucial information. Just because he doesn’t score from in close doesn’t mean he’s the odd man out. It means he needs to play on a line with someone who can score on his rebounds. Like JVR. Or Carter.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like Carter and Z together as they both play on the same side. JVR + Z is fine, JVR + Carter is fine. But all 3 is not a good fit. JVR-Giroux-Carter is probably a better option for Carter versus Versteeg-Richards-Carter tough call though really. Which do you like better?
I like Z – Giroux – Carter; JVR – Richards – Versteeg
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I would want to switch JVR and Carter. JVR’s a beast and would open play up a lot for Z and G. Carter has been pretty beastly on defense this season and I like the defensive capabilities of him with Richards and Versteeg along with the abilitiy to quickly push the puck up ice and get chances on net.
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I just listened to BSH Radio 39 (which debuts today), and it is spectacular. Hold onto your butts, people.
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Spectacular as in you are finally posting the original unaired BSH 33 where I made Geoff crack up by mentioning that Dwayne Roloson was born during the Nixon Administration?
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What time is the show going up today? You guys would make great background noise to my packing up my stuff to go back home later today.
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That’s up to Travis.
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Around 3.
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Darn I’ll likely be out the door by then. I’ll listen when I get back home before the game starts.
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You mean when this situatuion calls for it?
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I had almost forgotten how close philly was to the jersey shore.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not that close.
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close enough
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No one from Philly goes north of LBI.
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It’s like 2-1/2 hours away. Besides, I’d much rather go to Maryland for the shore if I’m going at all. /sorry, NJ residents
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Rather be in Stone Harbor than any other beach along the Atlantic.
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Ultimately, I’m not a beach girl at all…but my favorite non-Hawaii/non-Caribbean beaches are in Florida on the Gulf side. Clearwater is gawjus.
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If you ever have the chance go to Nevis. Its Hawaii but in the Caribbean so much easier to get to.
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And won’t drain so much of your money out of the bank…? lol.
I’m more of a “city” girl when it comes to travel, although I do like mountains and where they meet the lakes.
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I want to retire to Colorado/Utah so I’m right there with you.
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My mom’s family is from ND and MT and I lived in MT as a small child, so I just love the mountains.
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Clearwater is also a major center for Scientology.
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I didn’t know that. I think Scientology is creepy. There, I said it.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
I prefer South Carolina. Just sayin’.
Know it’s not really the same as just going to the beach, but I never really did the Jersey shore thing growing up – took a vacation to SC about every other year.
I agree. Just got back from Hilton Head and I love that place to death. Quiet, not built up.
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In HS I converted to DE beaches. Since then my parents bought a place in Margate, which is nice and quiet, and not in any way like the Jersey Shore you see on TV. And luckily for me, my fiancee’s parents have a place in Bethany…so i get the best of both worlds.
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Roughly the same distance as Boston, isn’t it?
Bob.
by The Dark on May 4, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Happy birthday JVR, happy birthday to me.
Just win?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
Happy Birthday CCB!
Hopefully the Flyers will give you a birthday treat in the form of a win :)
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hrmmm...treatsss
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 4, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, at least we dont have to worry about ryan miller
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 4, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure what to make of that Nabokov “what-if” article. I remember when the news about us pursuing Nabokov came out over the summer. I was a little hesitant about it, given San Jose’s history of choking in the playoffs. However, I had no way to tell if the choking was due to Nabby or the rest of the team. So who knows. Also, I disagree with the last sentence’s claim that “surely the box score in the new timeline would have shown a better result.” I have two problems with this. I still refuse to blame our current situation on our goalies. (see comments above about lazy journalists pointing their fingers at goaltending controversy in Philadelphia because it’s what they do every year) And, more importantly, there’s no way to know what would have happened with him in net. Maybe he would have been awesome. Maybe he would have sucked. Maybe he would have been injured sometime during the season and we’d be right back where we are now. This is why I usually don’t deal in “what-ifs.” Our team is what it is, so the only thing worth talking about is what the team we have can do, not what this other team that never existed could have done.
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God Bless America
The Lauren Hart/Kate Smith duo should be when the time calls for it, but I’d like it if Lauren Hart pretty much only sang God Bless America. She’s a great singer, why force her into a duet every night? It’s still a great song, it’s not like people won’t want to hear it.
I also think that all Philadelphia teams should play God Bless America, help set the city apart.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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No mention of Latvian Independence Day today?
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@boknows71
Latvian Independence Day is November 18th, the day the country was founded in 1918. However, May 4th marks the day in 1990 that the Latvian government (still a Soviet republic at the time) declared the restoration of its independence. De facto restoration of independence was not until August 1991.
Sarauj, Latvija!
Blame Wikipedia and me for not going into the article to get further info.
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Haha – no worries. Many in Latvia wish Independence Day were during a more pleasant time of year. November in Latvia is not a good time to stand outdoors for a parade.
Sarauj, Latvija!
Phillies fans know what you speak of. Thus why hockey is better, summer parades.
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Hmmm, October 31st, 2008 was a beautiful, sunny day. For reals and not just because I got to see a shiny trophy.
Aristotle was not Belgian, the principle of Buddhism is not "every man for himself", and the London Underground is not a political movement.
Washington vs Tampa
They’re playing on back to back nights?? What else is going on in Tampa??
Defending Carter until 2021...
I checked the arena website – nothing
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 4, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
USF has graduation tomorrow night at the arena.
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by Travis Hughes on May 4, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Of all the shit that has taken place here over the course of the day you chime in that? Very puzzling.
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I just started reading the comments a few minutes ago. That’s usually why I don’t take part in most conversations in the Fly By… I’m usually late on the scene.
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by Travis Hughes on May 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re all me arguing that the Caps get an undeserved bad rap.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The Caps suck. /bandwagon
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by Travis Hughes on May 4, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, I was just staring at their President’s Trophy and not reading. What did you say?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That and a dollar three-eighty gets you a cup of coffee.
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Which would mean something if anyone actually played for the President’s Trophy.
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I believe 30 teams play for it. Then 16 teams play for the Stanley Cup.
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I would say 30 teams are in contention for it, but I doubt any team goes in to the regular season and says the goal for the year is the President’s trophy.
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I just stating facts, I’m not speculating what a team says behind closed doors.
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Why would anyone play for home ice throughout the playoffs?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 4, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
?
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 5, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it’s just me? On my computer, the sarcasm font fails to wrap to a new line, so all I see is “Why would anyone play for home ice throughout the p”.
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My blockquotes are also salmon, not orange. So I’m obviously not getting the same BSH experience you guys do.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Oh okay. I didn’t know what you were talking about.
Are you using the “narrow” feature? I always use “Wide”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on May 5, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This is because they are renovating USF’s arena is getting a much overdue renovation and because of that, the USF have nowhere else to go to graduate, apparently.
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Keep Hope Alive
The Rays have a home game that night, so Tropicana Field is out. That probably would have been their first choice, but the Forum is a lot nicer anyway
by DragonGirl0583 on May 5, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
OT
Anyone else think Cam Newton might be the lovechild of Vince Young and Ryan Leaf?
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