Grading the 2011 Philadelphia Flyers: Jody Shelley
We continue our annual, player-by-player look at the 2010-11 Philadelphia Flyers. In no particular order, we'll analyze one player per day (or so) over the next few weeks. Up next, punching bag (?) Jody Shelley.
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*Fight stats via voters at HockeyFights.com.
Expectations: One thing is for sure about Jody Shelley: he makes a lot of money. It's hard for us to say we expected him to earn his $1.1 million cap hit, but since we're forced to live with it, I think our expectations were relatively simple: win a lot of fights, make your presence known every night and just try not to be seen otherwise.
Did that happen?
Really, it's not too fair to judge Shelley on his actual game. He's not here to be an agitator. He's here to be a fighter, plain and simple. He's not here to play hockey, and if he can get away with a fourth line shift, awesome. He was neither horrible nor great, although he was a downgrade from Ian Laperriere in that spot, but we'll just kind of push that aside.
So, to his fighting. I think a lot of us think it was worse than it actually was, and I was even surprised to go on HockeyFights.com in preparation to write this and see that he won half of his fights this season -- according to the typically fair voters over there.
Perhaps our perception of Shelley's impact on the team was swayed too much in late October, when Shelley got smoked by Derek Engelland and Derek Boogaard all in one week.
Two big losses against rival enforcers isn't the way to endear yourself to us, really. And perhaps those two huge losses kind of conditioned us to the jokes about the contract and his punching bag-like ability to get beat to shreds. In his next fight against Matt Kassian 20 days later, he was beaten again, but after that, he didn't lose a single fight the rest of the year. We didn't notice` this during the season, did we?
In fact, according to HockeyFights.com, Shelley won each of his last four fights -- vs Chris Neil on January 20, vs Kevin Westgarth on February 13, vs Nolan Yonkman on February 22 and against Brian Boyle on March 6.
Who knows? Maybe we gave Shelley a bit of an unfair look when it came to him getting beat up last season. At the same time, it's not like he was a huge heavyweight that could stack up with the NHL's best, so to say he's worth $1.1 million a year for 12 relatively mediocre fights -- can you think of one huge win he had all year? -- isn't really right.
We'll spare you the "goons aren't important anymore" schtick for now, but given what Shelley brought to the table, is it safe to say he lived up to the expectations created by his contract?
Grading criteria: We assign grades on a 1 to 10 scale, with 10 being the best. We base our grades on expectations, execution on those expectations and a player's overall potential. A 10 means that the player had a fantastic, expectation-surpassing season. A 1 means that he was horrible and needs to go. Like, yesterday.
The grade: We're giving Shelley a 4 -- three points for his fighting prowess as compared to his contract and expectations, and one point for that ridiculous goal against Atlanta. In my opinion, he didn't fight nearly enough (tied for 21st in the NHL), nor was he decisive enough in those fights to convince me that he earned $1.1 million.
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May I just say that Daniel Carcillo better be higher than a 4? Not even being (too) baised on this
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Giving up isn't an option
I don’t even know who’s doing that grade (we don’t assign things), but I don’t see how anybody can say Carcillo met expectations this year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 11, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What were your expectations them?
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by Cillo stache on Jun 11, 2011 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Solid forechecker, draw a lot of penalties, don’t give up many goals, score 15-20 points… Build upon last year, basically.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 11, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Carcillo had a very down year, but I blame that more on him not playing with Richards as much as he did during his peak last season.
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I blame the refs for not buying into his antics like they did last season. I hold by the fact that Carcillo is a sideshow. And I don’t want him back. If he got his head out of his ass and learned to use his talents to become a solid role player and stop all the BS. He could be a very valuable player. All he has to do to emulate Powe and Lappy’s game and he could have a very long career in this league as he has more hockey skill than both those guys combined.
I said this all year. In a single season he went from the best GA/60 at 1.73 to the worst 3.03.
Just play the game and stop trying to get a call every shift. We have on the best 5 on 5 goal differentials and deep forward team. The more we play at even strength the better.
I gave him a 4. Given his type of player, he did pretty much what I expected. I initially considered a run-of-the-mill 5, but I gave a -1 because his type of player simply isn’t needed.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 11, 2011 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
I gave him a 5. For everything he did better than I expected (not getting scored on, not being sheltered, playing 6 minutes a game) he did something worse than expected (severely out shot, fighting less, staying healthy).
In other words, he was as bad as I expected.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 11, 2011 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
can you think of one huge win he had all year?
His fight vs. Chris Niel was awesome. Neil went after Giroux on the ground and Shelley pummeled him after. That was pretty cool.
staying healthy
Can you really blame him for getting drilled in the face by a puck at practice?
by OrangeNblacK on Jun 11, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Geoff is counting staying as healthy as he did as a bad thing…
by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 11, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
there’s a valid point. But I’d rather have him in on the 4th line than Carcillo.
by OrangeNblacK on Jun 11, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really care if Shelley wins or loses his fights, to be honest. And I don’t blame him for getting hurt, but I gave Betts credit for staying healthy, so I think it’s only fair.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 11, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sestito vs. Shelley TOI/60: 8.18/6.13 G/60:.81/.34 A1/60: .81/0 P/60: 1.63/0 Zone: 61/38 Penalty +/-: .8/.3 Comp: both 4th Team: 3rd line/ 4th line Rating: 3.43/.96 Save%whileonice: 833/931 Shooting%onice: 6.9/8.45 PDO:902/1015
This should be a very interesting battle to watch all camp long. I know the older guys give opportunites during camp for the younger guys to fight, it would be very interesting to see if the biggest dude on the block (Shelley) lets the new tough guy give it a go.
Sestito won’t be battling Shelley for a spot. Sestito will be battling Carcillo for one, and any other forward who wants the 13th spot (Rinaldo, Holmstrom, Testwuide, etc.)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 11, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it your opinion that Carcillo will be on the team at the beginning of next season? Because I feel like he sealed his fate this off-season by deciding to go to arbitration last off-season. I know it didn’t get that far, but still.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 11, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I don’t think he’ll be on the team. My comment was more about roles. Sestito’s role would be closer to that of Carcillo’s than Shelley’s.
But it also helps my sanity to keep saying Carcillo instead of “Rinaldo”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 11, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I concur on both Carcillo and Rinaldo.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 11, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
but after that, he didn’t lose a single fight the rest of the year. We didn’t notice` this during the season, did we?
Depends who you mean by we. I wrote this in January:
We judged him poorly because he lost a couple of fights. It was probably just variance. For this year, he’s now 2-3-2 according to hockeyfights.com, and I expect him to finish at or above .500.
had a few more similar comments in trying to get people to notice this, patted myself on the back in February:
Shelley regressing to the mean!
If he gets credited for a win tonight, he’ll be 5-3-3 on the year.
And then pointed it out one last time in March:
You decided he was a bad fighter after he lost badly to Engelland and Boogard early in the year, and you ignored his many wins since then.
Yay me!
Also, for those saying he didn’t fight as much as you expected…
He had 13 fights in ’06, 13 in ’07, 13 in ’08, 16 in ’09, 13 in ’10, and 12 in ’11.
I give him a 3.5, but not because I was disappointed in his fighting, just because we heard so much from fans of his former teams that we’d love him so much, and that raised my expectations to something that I never really saw.
Hmmm must be my eyes going, because I don’t see any .5 gradings up there.
Here’s a thought, the next poll should just have a .5 scale: .5, 1.5, etc to 9.5 so Eric can give an uncompromised assessment.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 11, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You and your damn 0.5 grades.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 11, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m giving him a 3. My personal expectations for him included that he’d be able to energize the team a littlee when he got into a fight, you know wake them up a little bit and get them involved; and it never seemed to happen that way. That may be an indictment of the rest of the team for not responding, but his fighting rarely seemed to have much of an effect.
I guess nobody liked the descriptions for the scale?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 11, 2011 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
Meh
3,
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
3
Because of him, Betts had to be more sheltered, so I’m taking an extra one off for that
Mourning Gagne forever.
I gave him a 1.
An enforcer who can’t fight. What more do I need? Everything else he accomplished would have been accomplished and then some by almost any other skater.
His salary could probably land Drury at this point. I’d take that.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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None of us are in the locker room, so we only know what we hear, but by all accounts Jody Shelley is a motivator in the locker room, and is an all around excellent team guy. Instead of blaming Shelley for not “firing up the team” why not blame Lavy and be grateful that Shelley was around to help police things.
I think Peter Laviolette is a great hockey mind, he is not however, a great motivator.
by alaskalovestheflyers on Jun 12, 2011 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
None of us are in the locker room, so we only know what we hear, … Peter Laviolette is a great hockey mind, he is not however, a great motivator.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 12, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
1.75
I think the salary listed is incorrect. Shouldn’t it be $1.1M/ year for both his salary and cap hit?
Not according to CapGeek….. They have his contract breakdown as 1.2M, 1.2M, 900K.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I give Jody Shelley a 4. He isn’t worth 1.1m but that doesn’t hurt his grade, it’s the Flyers fault for agreeing to that figure not Shelley’s. I kind of think I should have given him a 5 because I can’t really think he did anything any better or worse than I expected. Essentially, he was a non-factor on the Flyers’ season, which isn’t a bad thing in his case.
What can't Giroux do?
5
He did what I thought he would do, honestly. Threw in a surprise every now and again. And he was probably one of the most well-spoken members of the team. I appreciate his candor even if I don’t appreciate his cap hit.
Remember, Shelley was the one who basically told us all about the issue with Giroux… and he didn’t even name Giroux. Before that 7-0 blowout against the Rangers, he told Therien that the slump was in part due to some of the attitudes in the room, especially from one of the younger players. He told Therien that “it would be straightened out.” And it was.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
3, all 3 points for the Atlanta goal. I may have jizzed my pants in the stands. Hell, i didn’t even stand after he scored, i just sat there with my jaw dropped. That said, there are times when I absolutely cant stand him(like when he stays too long on his shift and keeps a better player off the ice). but there were times when he wasn’t a liability. But he does get a – for his crappy contract.
Samesis
Total class act and all around good guy as expected. For what is it worth he is a member of “leadership” group. Wasn’t a total liability on the ice and fought the tough guys didn’t take bad penalties. He pretty much did his job. His 6 minutes of ice time wasn’t a liability in terms of getting scored on or costing the team by being stupid.
Team PIM/G were down almost 3 minutes per game from last season. That is a big difference.
I believed his signing was to take the pressure of fighting off Lappy who despite a serious brian injury I feel he still would have dropped the gloves in the moment. Unfortunately we were not able to see if that hypothesis was true. Either way I didn’t expect him to do much hard to quantify what type of effect his presence has. And we been all that before. But my expectations were for him not to be a negative factor on the ice and he wasn’t. I am going to give him a 6 then a plus 1 for flying to Boogard funeral service.
Shelley gets a "Z"
This is because he cannot play a regular shift. He cannot beat another heavyweight in a fight. He cannot shoot. He cannot skate. He cannot pass. Why is he a hockey player? What kind of psycho guidance counselor sent him into a life of hockey.
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