Grading the 2011 Philadelphia Flyers: Jeff Carter
We continue our annual, player-by-player look at the 2010-11 Philadelphia Flyers. In no particular order, we'll analyze one player per day (or so) over the next few weeks. Up next, forward and Old City resident Jeff Carter.
Expectations: Carter entered the 2010-11 campaign with pretty average expectations. It's always weird to judge exactly what people think of Carter because he's hated, inexplicably, by so many people. He can be frustrating, he misses the net a lot, he suffers from BAS (Bobby Abreu Syndrome), but he's an elite goal scorer in the NHL despite it all.
Fairly assessing the situation and taking out the wild emotion that always circles Carter, that's where the expectations fell. We wanted his typical offensive production, more production in the postseason and a noticeable improvement from him on defense.
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Offensively, Carter held pace with his career averages. Including this just-completed season, No. 17 has 29 goals, 46 goals, 33 goals and 36 goals in his last four years. That 46 number was his best season by a good dose, but he's been a very consistent goal scorer since 2007. It's extremely hard to complain about Carter's offensive play.
We did want more from him on defense, though. He passed that test with flying colors. As Eric pointed out in a post yesterday, Carter is indeed quite the two-way forward. Last season's defensive struggle was the out lier for Jeffie, and in 2010-11, he started just 43.8 percent of his shifts in the offensive zone.
In a nutshell, that means Peter Laviolette trusted the hell out of him defensively. Among forwards, that was better than everybody (including Mike Richards) not on the fourth line -- only Jody Shelley, Dan Carcillo, Darroll Powe and Blair Betts had fewer offensive zone starts.
Additionally, his Relative Corsi, which gauges his on-ice performance versus the team's performance when he's off the ice, was third best on the team, behind only frequent linemate Claude Giroux and Nikolay Zherdev. He's goals against per 60 minutes of ice time was solid as well, coming in at 2.15 per 60. That's better than everybody on the team minus, again, some fourth liners and Nikolay Zherdev.
Quite simply, Carter was one of the Flyers best defensive forwards in 2010-11. When you combine that with another great offensive year (and hey, the best faceoff numbers on the team among forwards with more than 150 draws), it doesn't matter how many missed shots (114, by the way) he had or how few "clutch" goals he had.
Carter had a fantastic regular season. You can say that his postseason was underwhelming again and you might even be able to make a case, but with a knee injury suffered against Buffalo, he only played in six playoff games. Kind of tough to blame a guy for getting knocked completely out of commission.
Grading criteria: We assign grades on a 1 to 10 scale, with 10 being the best. We base our grades on expectations, execution on those expectations and a player's overall potential. A 10 means that the player had a fantastic, expectation-surpassing season. A 1 means that he was horrible and needs to go. Like, yesterday.
The grade: We're giving Carter a 7. He lived completely up to expectations during the regular season, and he improved his defensive play a whole bunch compared to 2009-10 . He loses a point because he wasn't perfect -- after all, he could be a 50 goal scorer if he hit the net a bit more -- and a point or two for his poor postseason play before the injury.
Overall, though, what more do we really want Jeffie to do?
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 2, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Nine for me. I expected him to be one of the ~6 best players (Richards, Giroux, Pronger, Timonen, maybe Briere). He and Giroux were co-MVP’s in my book, which is worth a lot. In the playoffs, he had a couple of strong games before he got hurt.
I guess once again, what we do with injured players has a big impact. I can’t hold it against him that he was out for a couple of games. And while I judged Versteeg independent of his injury, I’m not doing that for Carter. So I’ll defend the double-standard by noting the following differences:
- Duration: For Carter, we have a full regular season of great play when healthy and just two games of post-injury play where he was less effective. I wouldn’t want those two games to outweigh the previous 80 even if he weren’t hurt. For Versteeg, we had a full three months of iffy play.
- Certainty: For Carter, we know exactly when the injury happened and know that he was recovering in those two games. For Versteeg, we don’t know how much of an impact the injury had on his season.
I hate to give a ‘meh’ grade for an MVP-type season because a guy came back from ligament damage and didn’t excel in two 5-1 losses. Even grading against expectations, Carter’s expectations weren’t that high. I’m on the fence between 8 and 9, and rounding up to cancel out Travis rounding down.
I was on the fence between 8 and 9, rounded down because, well, I’m a dick.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 2, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I went 9, he was my team MVP, and did so out of position. And that should say a lot given how willing I was to trade him last off season expecting a bigger pay raise.
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That’s true – I didn’t take into account how much we all wanted to ship him out, so his exceedance of expectations is that much higher.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 3, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I justify my 8 by saying Carter didn’t really exceed my expectations by that much. By his standards, this was between a good and a great year.
Yeah, relative-to-expectations is complicated. If our expectations were that he was a pretty mediocre defensive forward and this year we suddenly noticed he was taking on really tough assignments and excelling, do you give him the credit for that?
If you gave 7.5 as a choice I’d have gone with it.
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I was legit between 7 and 8. Decided to go conservative on it.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 2, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on, Jeffie deserves grade inflation.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Jun 2, 2011 5:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What is Bobby Abreu Syndrome? (Sorry, I’m not a Phillies fan, so I don’t get the reference.)
by alaskalovestheflyers on Jun 2, 2011 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
Bobby Abreu was the best all-around player on the Phillies for a while. However, he was so talented that it seemed like he wasn’t really trying at times. Therefore, people hated him for his perceived lack of heart / desire.
Same is true with Carter.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Bobby was afraid of the wall so didn’t go all out to make diving plays and such. However, he was an incredibly gifted offensive player who’s stats said he was much, much better than the average fan thought he was because he wasn’t a “Philly type of player”. There’s also a theory that by trading him to the NYY for absolutely nothing, the Phillies got better in the clubhouse or addition by subtraction, which was also absolute horseshit.
That last part has nothing to do with Jeff Carter; I just felt I needed to point that out.
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Yeah, because people never said anything about the Flyers getting better without Carter.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 2, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I am picking up on your sarcasm, and this is true, so perhaps my point holds and was a subconscious one.
I will also cop to being one of the people who did want to trade him, but not because I thought it would make the Flyers better in the short term—more because he was the most moveable asset who would fetch you the best return for the future.
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by alaskalovestheflyers on Jun 3, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I gave him a 7 but could see him getting an 8. He had average expectations and he basically met them, i wish he was more fiery though. He does have a non-chalant look about him and he’s a laid back guy. That makes it easier for him and Richards to seem like they aren’t into the game sometimes, i wish they both showed more emotion and maybe beat someone up once in a while, i’d like to see Carts be more gritty and mean, he’s 6’3" 200lbs for god-sakes, lay somebody out. If i was that big i’d hip check people into aisles at the supermarket just for the hell of it. He’s big, very skilled, and very athletic, i’d like to see him become a constant 40+ goal scorer and occassionally smash people.
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by MeszarosKillsPeople on Jun 2, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
I wish those who commented on Facebook brought that weak ass shit in here.
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He could have scored more in the the regular season if he could shoot accurately.
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Haha I love Carter, but anything below 40 in a full season shouldn’t be acceptable. So if 40 with great D gets him 10, then 36 with great D gets him a -1, then a sub-par(abet injured) post-season should be another -1. So thats where my 8 comes in.

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but anything below 40 in a full season shouldn’t be acceptable.
So anything not repeating a career year is unacceptable? Are you serious?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 2, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well lets put it like this. If Carters career year was the 45 goal year and he’ll never do that again. Then I would trade him right now. But, unless your Dr. Brown, then you can’t say that he wont succeed those numbers again.
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If a 35 goal scorer, elite two-way player won’t score 45 goals in a season, he should be traded? Name me a 35 goal scorer who plays better defense than Carter and tell me if he should be traded for failing to reach 45.
And NHL players points-per-game peaks at age 25, so while I’m not Dr. Brown, the odds are certainly in my favor.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 2, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course PPG drops off at age 25. Most players don’t even hit the NHL until 23 or 24, and usually they play part-time.
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So you agree that it is highly unlikely that your demand of 40 goals ever happens again?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 2, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Why even go to this point, his initial comment was so ridiculous you could have just posted “haha” and been done with it…because let’s face it…it’s a joke.
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I almost responded with “What?” but thought this comment was less argumentative.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I was going to say something earlier in the day to this effect, but I would word it differently:
Anything above 40 with the same tough assignments and defensive contributions = 10.
(It is not really expected but it is possible.)
A grade of 8 (my vote as well) shows that he still performed above expectations, while being aware that this was not a career year for him, as dominant as it was.
by hebrew hammer on Jun 2, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically, that’s true. But are you really complaining about someone who was 6th in the league in 5-on-5 scoring and 7th in the league in overall scoring?
I guess this is supposed to be relative to expectations, so perhaps you’d complain about those numbers from Ovechkin. But Carter had the second-most goals of his 6-year career and increased his 5-on-5 scoring markedly over last year despite taking on much tougher assignments.
I don’t disagree with the 8, but the explanation is strange.
anything below 40 in a full season shouldn’t be acceptable
Yeah, this is what troubles me. He’s only scored 40 goals (or been on a 40-per-82 pace) once in six seasons. Were the other five seasons all unacceptable, or are your expectations too high?
Well, Im not gonna say he should be scoring 40 between seasons 1-3. Not even many superstars perform that feat. Last year(or 2 years ago in Flyers terms) he was hurt for the latter part of the season, he had 33 or 34 but could have gotten to 40 easy if it wasn’t for his bum leg. Last year I’ll give him the benefit because it was his first year since his rookie season playing majority at wing. I expect him to get 45 again in his career, if thats what you mean.
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09-10, when Carter scored 33 goals in 74 games, he scored as many goals per game as this year, when he scored 36 goals in 80 games. So I fail to see how he “could have gotten to 40 easy” when he was scoring at the same pace as he was this year, without the “bum leg”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 2, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause Carter played a good part of the season hurt too. Just cause he’s in the lineup doesn’t mean that he’s 100%
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So you’re saying what? A guy who gets hurt every single year should be seen as a 40 goal scorer because he would have hit 40 if he didn’t play hurt, but because he played 76 games and scored 33 goals, he’s clearly a 40 goal scorer because he played through pain despite not scoring 40 goals?
I don’t follow this logic at all.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 2, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s one way to look at it.
There are two talent-driven components of goal-scoring: getting shots off and getting them from dangerous spots.
This year, Carter had about as many shots on goal as he did two years ago. His average shot distance was a bit closer this year than two years ago.
And yet his shooting percentage two years ago was 13.5%, the highest of his career by a wide margin. His shooting percentage this year was 10.7%, right at his career average (10.9%). So why didn’t he score 40+ goals this year? Because he didn’t have an anomalously high shooting percentage.
I’d say there are pretty decent odds that he will have another 40-goal season in the next few years, but it’s not because that’s his true talent level and we shouldn’t consider it unacceptable when he doesn’t.
Yeah, what Don said. This makes far too much sense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Im not gonna say he should be scoring 40 between seasons 1-3. Not even many superstars perform that feat.
You’re saying he should be scoring 40 goals regularly. How many superstars perform that feat?
Here’s a list of the people who scored 40+ goals in the last three years and how many times they’ve done that:
Perry (once in six seasons)
Stamkos (2/3 seasons)
Iginla (4/14 seasons)
Kesler (1/7 seasons)
DSedin (1/10 seasons)
Crosby (1/6 seasons)
Ovechkin (5/6 seasons)
Marleau (1/13 seasons)
Gaborik (2/10 seasons)
Kovalchuk (5/9 seasons)
Semin (1/6 seasons)
Carter (1/6 seasons)
Parise (1/6 seasons)
Vanek (2/6 seasons)
EStaal (2/7 seasons)
Hossa (3/13 seasons)
Nash (2/8 seasons)
So if he merely scores like Iginla, Hossa, or Nash, you’ll consider his performance unacceptable for most of his career. He has to be Ovechkin to meet your expectations. Again, I think your expectations might be too high.
by Eric T. on Jun 3, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention Hossa, Nash, and Ovechkin are not exactly known for their fantastic two-way play, but most people would agree that Carter has that ability and should utilize it. I’m willing to trade him scoring 5 goals a season for him stealing more pucks and having a higher plus/minus (I KNOW, not a good measure, but you get the idea).
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 3, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I gave 7. As much as he did improve his game he still misses wide open nets and lacks the heart of what a Flyer should be. But he’s MUCH better than last year, which really shows how much I can’t stand him despite his numbers. I have issues with heartless people. I’d also like to know how many of his points were empty net goals that inflate his numbers.
he still misses wide open nets
Can I ask why this matters?
lacks the heart of what a Flyer should be.
Can I ask how you conclude this?
I’d also like to know how many of his points were empty net goals that inflate his numbers.
Two empty-net goals. But isn’t the fact that he’s put in a situation late in games to preserve a lead proof that he’s good?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 2, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
lacks the heart of what a Flyer should be
Carter is big body who doesn’t play physical. That equals not Flyers hockey. If you are 6ft 3in 200lbs you are expected to throw your weight around and bang bodies not just use you size and strength to protect the puck and gain favorable position in front of the net.
This is why Powe is loved and Carter is hated. Powe despite not have the size plays big and that is what the Flyers fans love. Guys you play big and physical and if you don’t and you are big you don’t have heart, Carter. If you are small and play big you are a fan favorite hero of the working class like Powe.
Blair Betts is 6’3" 210.
Nik Zherdev is 6’2" 203.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s surprising. Betts looks so much smaller than that. Carter does play soft along the boards and the corners though, and it’s really frustrating to watch.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Why? Carter isn’t supposed to be the one in the corners. Carter is your half-wall sniper.
Players have roles. Why do people get upset that their sniper isn’t also a grinder?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
When he’s in the corners, he’s soft. I’m not saying he’s supposed to be there all the time.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
But why is this a problem? Briere is soft everywhere. Leino is soft everywhere. Zherdev is soft everywhere.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
And that’s a legitimate criticism of those players. Carter has the size to be effective in those areas and he doesn’t use it when he’s there. This isn’t an overall indictment of Carter’s play, just something I would like to see him improve.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
But why? You aren’t asking any of those guys to go into the corners. That’s why you’re paying Hartnell $4.2 million. That’s why you draft JVR #2. That’s why you trade for Tom Sestito. Those guys go in the corners and get the puck, so the guys who can actually score are in a position to shoot.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So the Flyers fill these needs because the players on the team don’t do something every NHL player should at least attempt to do when the situation requires it. Crosby is the best player in the game because he’s great in all areas of the ice (save hitting). Not being physical when the situation requires it is a legitimate criticism of any player. It’s not terrible, just a criticism
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What Don said.
How often does the situation call for Carter to be physical? Not often, nor should it. Then, in that small sample, how often is he not physical? Further, how often does his lack of physicality result in a lost puck battle?
To me, your criticism is on an area that may present itself 45 times a season. The number of puck battles Jeff Carter loses because he wasn’t physical enough in those board battles he engages in. Each level (board battles, not physical enough, lost puck battle) decreases the sample size to near irrelevancy. Criticisms of such a small part of his game is hardly legitimate, unless you’re willing to criticize Powe for not being quick enough to beat a defender one-on-one.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This thread might force me track this next season. I think the situation presents itself far more than you think. It boils down to effort in my opinion (which is why I don’t think the Powe comparison is fair), which I begrudgingly admitted below. I know people don’t like talking about it because it’s basically a conversation ender. I could be wrong, I’m just not leaning that way.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Further, I don’t even think he is soft in the corners. He comes up with the puck an awful lot (to my eyes)…maybe because he doesn’t use the hit to do it, people don’t like it? But he certainly seems to come away with that puck a ton from the corners and half wall, he is very strong on his stick.
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I’m not sure I agree with that. He gets the puck taken off him an awful lot via poke check. Like, a lot more than anyone else on the team it seems. Maybe that’s just me
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The poke check has nothing to do with his physical play. But he is not a strong stick handler, I agree. He uses a very long stick, it works well enough for him, but hurts his ability to protect the poke from poke checks while stick handling through traffic. But again has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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Being strong on his stick has nothing to do with his physical play either. He gets away with only using his stick sometimes, which is probably why does it so much.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I said:
Further, I don’t even think he is soft in the corners. He comes up with the puck an awful lot (to my eyes)…maybe because he doesn’t use the hit to do it, people don’t like it?
Being poke checked doesn’t relate to what I wrote either.
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Do you want him to get the puck, or do you want him to try to get it the way you want to see.
That’s the real question. He is a successful player at both ends of the ice. He is subtly physical, the same way Hossa is, he uses his body effectively.
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Do you want him to get the puck, or do you want him to try to get it the way you want to see.
I want him to adjust his overall approach to getting the puck. I think it would result in him winning battles at a higher than he currently does. I’ll mention again the games against Crosby and the Pens. He was awesome in them. I want more of that Carter. Still one of the best forwards on the team, not disputing that.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You mention a few games. The interesting thing would be to track how often he wins those battles. I’m willing to bet it’s far more frequent than you believe.
He is a very successful hockey player at both ends, and you are asking him to change their game. I find that fascinating in general.
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It’s really not all that fascinating. It’s pretty simple and it’s one thing.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It is to me. It’s simple, but it’s based on your perception with no tracking. So despite him being a very successful player, you want a change with no real evidence that he is unsuccessful the way he approaches that area of his game now. I just find it interesting, because that change could very well make him less successful at winning puck battles, but your eyes would be happier.
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I think it’s reasonable to expect someone using their whole body instead of just their stick to get a puck to win more battles. Based on what I’ve seen and based on experience.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But he doesn’t just use his stick, he uses his body as well. Just maybe not in an inherently obvious way to you. You don’t have to initiate contact to use your body effectively to take a puck off of a player.
You are assuming he doesn’t use his body at all in most cases, I believe that’s a false assumption.
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I’m not assuming that but I did say it, so my apologies on that one. As this thread gets further to the right it will get closer and closer to me calling out Carter’s effort, which I know is taboo around here so I’ll stop.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I’m not mistaking it for effort.
I’m saying 1. You are assuming without any proof that he isn’t proficient battling for the puck, and 2. that initiating more contact will automatically improve that skill, ignoring that some players might not be as naturally gifted at that, or that they are naturally superior about using their body and stick to win puck battles in a different way with less contact.
I think those are 2 huge assumptions. Not that they can’t be true (clearly they can be), but I don’t think you are willing to accept the fact that they have just as good of a chance of not being true. I just entered this whole debate to open you up to the possibility of the opposite of your view point being the reality, since no one has any clear data to support anything.
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Also, I think he’s a much better player when he uses his body there’s and there’s a pretty noticeable difference. The few games the Flyers played against the Pens with Crosby this year, Carter was a beast in the corners and was so much more effective.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You need to define uses his body. Again, you are picking out what sticks out to you are your perception. i can’t convince you other wise. I can say he I probably notice him use his body other ways. For instance, in my example that he is strong on his stick (meaning he uses it to strip the puck away from a battle in the corner or defender with possession on the corner or half wall), I also notice him shield the puck very well with his body afterwards, allowing him to free himself for a shot. To me, this is using his frame and being physical. I’d rather Carter do that, then come in and through a body check as hard as he can, losing balance, and ultimately the puck battle like Powe does. But most people like to see players hit because they translate that as heart. I like a player to play the style he is most effective in and makes him the best player. I also like players to make the smart play. So difference of opinion lead to differences in perception.
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I’d rather Carter do that, then come in and through a body check as hard as he can, losing balance, and ultimately the puck battle like Powe does.
This isn’t what I’m suggesting. Once he’s in the corner he seems to only use his stick instead of trying to shoulder the opponent to get position. Sometimes this works for him, and what it does, yes, he uses his body to protect. He just doesn’t use it to get it when the puck is winnable, which can be frustrating.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He uses his stick and body to take the puck away from the defender. He still uses his body in that play as he uses it to play angles. At least in what I see.
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You have a very specific way in which you want him to use his frame, he uses in a different way, if you don’t care for that way, it’s fine, but he still uses it.
More over, in his game, it isn’t even necessary for him to be in the corners in the offensive end. I’d rather him coming off the half wall in to the slot. So combine the two, and that’s why i have no real complaints besides what I perceive to be his overall attitude, which I know nothing about, and is unfair for me to judge him on.
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He’s lazy! I kid, but it does seem to translate the way in the corners sometimes. You have your opinion on it and I have mine.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Zherdev hits people inappropriately sometimes.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
He’s always hungry for more vengeance now
by mantis toboggan on Jun 3, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The notion that Jeff Carter uses empty net points to inflate his numbers is false, unfounded, and complete garbage
In the 2010-2011 season, only two of his goals were empty netters. For his entire career, only six of his 181 goals were empty netters.
As far as assists go. he has 164 career assists. Only three of those assists are on empty netters. I re-iterate, those are career numbers. In 2010-2011, he only had one empty net assist.
Yeah. This notion that Jeff Carter uses empty net goals/assists to drastically inflate his point total? False.
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The empty net thing cracks me up
People forget that fact that he is on the ice to protect a lead and that empty netters do usally seal a game.
You have issues with heartless people? Me too, mostly because people without hearts SHOULDN’T BE ALIVE.
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That does explain the dim look in his eyes. I always thought he just wasn’t very bright – turns out, he’s dead. Who knew?
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 3, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah hartless what a joke
How is he hartless? He plays with injuries including two broken feet, a seprated shoulder and a knee. People act like know one else misses empty nets. Don’t you remember Briere in the buffalo series I guess he is hartless too cause he don’t check or block shot half as much as carter and can’t play defense to save his life.
As a fan of a team with almost no scoring depth, I am surprised that some people take his production for granted. Even if he wasn’t playing tough minutes, that’s impressive.
I also had no idea that he takes 300+ shots a year. Ha. Imagine if they could get Anze to do that.
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Like Travis said, it’s Bobby Abreu Syndrome. He looks lazy, therefore he sucks.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 2, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
For both the case of Abreu and Carter, that could not be anywhere farther from the truth.
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By this, of course I mean both are real good players and not deserving of the label that they suck, not that what Geoff said was false. I’m agreeing with Geoff here.
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Position?
Going forward, is Jeff a Winger or a Centre? I think it’s pretty important to get that figured out. He’s supposed to be a centrepiece of the team and we can’t find a place for him to play.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 3, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Few clutch goals?
Great article other then the few clutch goals part. Carter led the team in game winning goals and had a ton of goals to give a lead.
Carter
9.
I don’t know that grading someone relative to their ability is very fair. That’s like saying if Crosby gets 45-65-110 he gets a 6.
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It’s just a different scale. Rather than the scores settling in around 7, they’ll settle in around 5. Because if it was a 1-10 scale, how many people would end up with an average of 7.7? In that case, why even have a 1-5? Here, if you say the middle is the starting point, you give equal balance on either side.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 3, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
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