Tuesday Morning Fly By: OMG, OMG, Is Today the Day? I'm So Excited!
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Bryzgalov said it could be today. Panaccio is flying today, so it must be happening, right? Right!
- Paul Holmgren was on a conference call yesterday where he talked about the importance of draft picks (he claims they are important) and possible trades this week: [BSH] [Flyer Files] [Flyers Faithful] [Philly Sports Daily] [Daily News]
- The salary cap going up and what it means for the Ilya Bryzgalov negotiations: [Frequent Flyers] [Philly Reign] [CSNPhilly]
- Now that I'm good and excited today is B-Day, read this and hold both your anger and excitement: [SB Nation Philly]
- A fantastic article on Ian Laperriere and his Masterton nomination: [Daily News]
- You don't want Bryzgalov? Think of the bumbling morons in the national media who won't shut up! [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- The Flyers invited Acadia goalie Kristopher Westblom to prospect camp, via euroflyers: [The Chronicle]
- Prospect Profile looks at Ben Holmstrom: [Flyers Faithful]
- There are only 365 days left of FGSB...? Say it ain't so: [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- A look at the best and worst draft picks of all time for each Atlantic Division team. haha, Hugh Jessiman: [NHL.com]
- Nicklas Lidstrom signed a one-year extension with Detroit: [SBNation.com]
- What does the salary cap mean for Florida? "The lockout of 2004-05 was an increasingly pointless gesture" [Litter Box Cats]
- Travis weighs in on the rising cap and the (once again) growing disparity between the rich and poor teams: [SBNation.com]
- Anthony SanFilippo chimes in with his take on the salary cap, including the failed notion of parity: [delcotimes.com]
- Another look at NHL players by birth month, focused on the Stars: [Defending Big D]
- The Penguins will play a preseason game in... Kansas City this year. Awwwwwkward: [SBNation.com]
- The transformation of BtN into a Winnipeg site is underway: [SBNation.com]
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Wow if that’s the kind of in-depth analysis FGSB is usually trotting out, 365 days can’t pass fast enough.
Is Bryzgalov good? Certainly. Is he better than Bob? Currently… by a little bit. “Is he worth what the team would have to do to keep him?” is the big question that almost everyone outside of this site fails to consider.
I like Bryzgalov. After the rookie season he just had, I like Bob too. I feel that the only thing that WAS wrong with Bob at the end of the season was that he got tired/burnt out. The only thing I feel Bob DID wrong was he told the coaching staff he was tired/burnt out (through a translator, which could have been a whole ‘nother problem). I’d like to think that the situation would be handled differently this time around, and I hope I get a chance to see it.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 21, 2011 7:28 AM EDT reply actions
You know what…the closer it get’s to B-Day, or the announcement, the more I am coming to grips with it. For one reason, and one reason only…it will remove one huge argument/excuse that is had every year. They Flyers went out and got one of the NHL’s better goalies. I don’t know if I would classify him as elite, not sure the stats back it up, but he is at least, widely considered to be a well above average goalie and so if with this goalie the team doesn’t win the Cup, then maybe having an elite or well above average goalie is not all it’s cracked up to be, or if the team does win the Cup then people will be so happy then we might get a season, or possibly two where people don’t bitch and complain about the goaltending or any other issue and we can just enjoy hockey for a year. One can only hope.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
youre learning to love the atomic bomb, so to speak
I’m glad you’ve come to terms with it
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Ed going to be Dr. Strangelove from now on?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
do we have a new meme?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahahaha…that would happen to me.
But you are right…I am learning to come to grips with what is becoming the inevitable. Although I don’t agree with it, or how we got there…it is what it is…I feel like worrying is detrimental to my health which isn’t great as it is.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
sometimes you just gotta ride the atomic bomb rex
or, in honor of breezy, the B-Bomb
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Sadly…that is the truth.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
if Breezy does sign today, I hope the picture is Slim Pickens riding the bomb
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If it’s not I am sure someone can photoshop that for us.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
next thing you know you will be seeing Scotty Upshall slaughtering a cow among the natives of Columbus
if you get the reference, I’ll be impressed
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Apocalypse Now?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Well done. Holmgren goes to reacquire the asset (Upshall), and finds out that Upshall has gone insane
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I dig the analogy.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
meant to tell you: on netflix i just watched the first two series of Survivors from BBC, you should check it out
and I don’t know if I’ve suggested this before, but Jericho
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Ralph Cox is in Jericho!! Well, Kenneth Mitchell, but he was Ralph in Miracle on Ice. (Jim Craig is Don on CSI NY)
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by Cillo stache on Jun 21, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
bbc survivors was an excellent series. it’s a shame they didnt pick it up and keep running with it.
by KidA-thebends on Jun 21, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah< i found that out of course after I finished it
now I need to find a new series
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
“I’m from wherever won’t get me punched in the face”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
“I’m Ralph Cox, and I’m from where ever’s not gona get me hit”
“You know what Coxy let me ask you a question. Why’d you wanna play college hockey? -- “isn’t it obvious? for the girls”
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by Cillo stache on Jun 21, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
that was a quality mustache
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That is my movie. I make everyone watch it, its a requirement. He has one hell of a sexy moustache
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by Cillo stache on Jun 21, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
And I will always side with Boston University
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll definitely check both of them out. I’ve heard good things about Jericho.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
i’ve always been a fan of those type of shows/movies like zombie apocolypse etc. it’s just cool when done right and you think how and what would you do if this really happened. haven’t heard of jericho i will have to check it out.
by KidA-thebends on Jun 21, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Jericho is solid right up until the last few episodes of the last season, where the show was rushed off of the air
I’d suggest not watching those last couple of eps
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Either of you watch the Falling Skies premier on Sunday?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Yup. I was disappointed for the first hour and a half, but once they brought in the convict it got better. With the whole prisoner approach it can go somewhere
other than that, i thought it was disappointing
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I’ll give it a few more episodes before I write it off completely. I am not particularly impressed with the cast at all.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
the problem with the characters was that none of them were particularly convincing. Wyle’s character is too young to be your stereotypical history teacher
Patton’s role is perfect for him, but everyone else is a meh
But the prisoner has a lot of potential to be the valuable scumbag of the group
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, it’s a bit of an issue
that and he’s not really believable, adding quirky historical Revolutionary War bullshit to add legitimacy to his cause
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t that just make him more attractive to Homer, under the Rinaldo principle?
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 21, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
there’s functionally insane (Rinaldo, Happy Gilmore) and drinking the kool aid insane (Brando’s character)
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually thought the point was that in an insane world, the truly unhinged can be the best teachers.
Hence Downie survived his period of insanity by having some good tutors (Flyers), and is now a productive member of a violent society (hockey).
And I still think Rinaldo is far more looney than even Colonel Kurtz.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 21, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
But now Rinaldo is now referred to as Colonel Kurtz
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
scratch that. Upshall is Kurtz, Rinaldo will always be Happy Gilmore
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
And what I got from that movie was:
If you strip a person of who they are and implant them in such a society, they will forget whom they are and melt into their surroundings
In war, there isn’t two sides. There’s only one end game: which is a broken, crazy individual
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you mistook the ‘society’ of Kurtz’ group as indigenous, when I assumed it was of his own creation. Historically, the peoples of Southeast Asia weren’t particularly violent. Their god-worship of Kurtz brought them to that point, and his blend of Confucianism and pure ultra-violence was the society which Captain Willard responded to from his own violent background.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 21, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
interesting
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Addressing that point:
To be fair, I stated what I understood from the movie. The movie chronicled a trip into the depths of the enemy, going behind enemy lines, driving each character mad and ultimately killing each member (the chap with the dog loses his own identity)
I addressed the whole of the movie: each character is stripped of their identity when they are implanted behind enemy lines. When they lose who they are, they become a reflection of what is around them
That’s I understand Kurtz to be a reflection of his society he lived in, and not the leader of them
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I would suggest reading Joseph Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness.” It’s the short book that “Apocalypse Now” is based on.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jun 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the money saving begins. Need to get tickets, and they won’t be cheap
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Added a few links, specifically one by Seravalli on Ian Laperriere and one by ASF on the rising cap. Oh, the Flyers also invited a goalie to prospect camp.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 8:30 AM EDT reply actions
Oh, the Flyers also invited a goalie to prospect camp.
Why bother?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Chris Rawlings was impressive last year… Would like to see him return.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahh, my daily dose of Flyer negativity…
Why all the sturm und drang about the cap floor rising? It’s tied to revenue, the point wasn’t parity, the point of the lockout was cost containment. They’ve tied their biggest cost in labor directly to revenue, the problem will be if for some reason revenue takes a nose dive. That’s why there is a floor to force shitball teams like Florida to actually spend.
The floor is above what the cap was a mere 4 years ago. In four years, teams went from “You can’t spend more than this” to “Spend at least that!”
If you’re rebuilding a team – like the Panthers, Oilers, etc. – you are being forced to waste money on players that aren’t going to help you. It’s artificially inflating salaries because those teams shouldn’t be spending that much if they aren’t going to win.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
just trying to keep them competitive Geoff
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
But does it? If the talent is not there they just toss money at whomever is around. It’s forcing them to spend, not build a team. For this to work, there needs to be a cap freeze for a few years to let some of the smaller market teams catch up.
"All we want is to be treated like human beings, not to be experimented on like guinea pigs or patronized like bunny rabbits. "
"I don't patronize bunny rabbits."
by Mike B on D on Jun 21, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
for those teams to work, they need good ownership, not businessmen. It takes more than a numbers balancer to build a winning team
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
ZING!
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by coheedandtbs on Jun 21, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
But it does not help that they’ll need to overspend for players that do not help the team.
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"I don't patronize bunny rabbits."
by Mike B on D on Jun 21, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s a little song i wrote, you might want to sing it note for note, don’t worry, be happy
in every life we have some trouble, when you worry you make it double, don’t worry, be happy
dont worry be happy now
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That singer is on the list of people who I always wished would choke on their own tongue.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 21, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Bob?!
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by Cillo stache on Jun 21, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry – wasn’t really directed at you, and I get the sentiment. But if you were around when that song came out (1988) you would remember just how oppressively overplayed it was; you couldn’t turn on a radio or TV without hearing it.
Almost as bad as the “Dude, you’re getting a Dell!!” jerkface.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 22, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Some people are so testy...
"All we want is to be treated like human beings, not to be experimented on like guinea pigs or patronized like bunny rabbits. "
"I don't patronize bunny rabbits."
by Mike B on D on Jun 21, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
How about this?
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you’re chewing on life’s gristle
Don’t grumble, give a whistle
And this’ll help things turn out for the best…
"All we want is to be treated like human beings, not to be experimented on like guinea pigs or patronized like bunny rabbits. "
"I don't patronize bunny rabbits."
by Mike B on D on Jun 21, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
……Life’s a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life’s a laugh and death’s a joke, it’s true.
You’ll see it’s all a show
Keep ’em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
THIS I can get on board with!
“Alllways look on the bright side of life!”
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 22, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone follow the “panotch”. If you do that’s cool but i tend to disagree with his approach towards reporting on the flyers. he’s got that agenda. as a reporter you must be impartial to the story but he’s the opposite side of the fanboy reporters for the most part. sometimes being overly objective is good but he goes overboard. on a personal note he’s not a very cordial person. the rest of the media staff at the wells fargo for the most part is.
I used to follow him. I do still read his stuff from time to time, just to see if there is a nugget of useful information amongst the agenda driven bullshit that he usually puts out there. I don’t find him to be a particularly good or fair writer but that’s me.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
No, but I do happen to be a fan of Fake TPanotch.
"We didn't do it the easy way. We took the hard way to do it. But we are part of history now."
This is worth following. Real Panotch, not so much.
"All we want is to be treated like human beings, not to be experimented on like guinea pigs or patronized like bunny rabbits. "
"I don't patronize bunny rabbits."
by Mike B on D on Jun 21, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I follow real panotch, but rarely read his articles unless he is the first to break something.
Samesis
Isn’t it easier to just say you don’t read him then? Unless you count his breaking news that Mike Richards is a big fat poopy head as breaking new. Or news at all.
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"I don't patronize bunny rabbits."
by Mike B on D on Jun 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Won’t they announce the Winter Classic officially soon?
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Hopefully. Supposedly there is some issue with the Rangers being in the game…from what I hear they haven’t, or don’t want to commit to the game yet.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
the Rangers could be replaced, by oh, I don’t know, the bruins maybe, or the hawks
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Rangers make the most sense to me. With the Devils being in there as well. So would the Pens and Caps but they aren’t going to be in the WC two years in a row. Hawks would be cool, so would the Bruins, but again, Flyers v Bruins won’t happen again. Maybe the Sabres? Other than that, I have no idea who else makes sense to be put in the game.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Detroit
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind that at all but we are playing them in Canada this year(exhibition game) so it could happen, but I doubt it. Outside of getting pasted by them in the SCF years back we have no real history with them.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I understand the history
But if they want to have a ratings Giant on their hands, that will be it
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
How bout Philly west, LA, or the Sharks, another team that is perpetually falling short.
What can't Giroux do?
I was just about to say… I feel that a Western Conference team should play this year since the past few years have been Eastern teams.
It might be a long shot, but I think that the Wild should have a chance since Minnesota is known for their hockey/pond hockey.
Would that matchup attract a lot of viewers? Can they make a good story out of it? That’s all NBC cares about.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I don’t know if this matchup would attract a lot of viewers…. I’m thinking yes because you have the big market team (Philly) and then you have a cold weather team/I feel like everyone plays hockey in Minnesota. NBC might be able to find the story in the pond hockey culture in MN.
The one problem that I do see in this matchup is the fact that Minnesota has missed the playoffs recently (admission: I’ve only followed hockey for a few years, so I might be wrong). This match up could probably go either way for NBC.
I’m still pulling for Minnesota vs. Dallas game myself.
"We didn't do it the easy way. We took the hard way to do it. But we are part of history now."
My guess would be no, just judging by the matchups that are perennial candidates for “NHL Game of the Week” coverage. NBC has made it abundantly clear season after season who they think the big market, ratings-getters are. I hear you though, I think it would be an interesting matchup because of the pond hockey background, but I doubt that NBC would feel the same way.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
OT, from ESPN insider
An offer sheet with an average salary between $6.27 and $7.84 million would net the Lightning two first-round picks, a second and a third-round pick in compensation. But we have to think the Bolts would be willing to match such an offer. However, it gets intriguing if the offer sheet is for an average salary of more than $7.84 million annually. At that point, the compensation is four first-round picks, but we have to think the Lightning would still match the offer. That said, if the average number begins to top $8.5 million, they might start thinking twice about the deal.
I think I’d let him walk for four first round picks.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 21, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
The way the cap is rising in the past couple of years I wouldn’t let him walk for that. He is a bona fide scorer. 41 and 45 the last 2 yrs, name 1 other player who has that many goals. without doing research I would put money on nobody coming within 15 goals of that. We have a cap hit of $6.3 for Kimmo or look at it this way for Versteeg and Richie( close to same money cap hit wise) for Stamkos. If I’m GM done deal
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by Crosby sucks on Jun 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
name 1 other player who has that many goals. without doing research I would put money on nobody coming within 15 goals of that.
What is the point of this claim. either do the research and make the statement or don’t make the statement. Your argument doesn’t look any better by admitting you didnt do any research.
What can't Giroux do?
Marleau came to 15 less with 81 in those two seasons. Sidney Crosby came w/in 13 and he was out for exactly half of this season, man
he sucks.
What can't Giroux do?
Ok so 1 guy came within 13, injured or not, the dude is worth (4) 1st rd picks especially the way we give away 1st rounders. Our last 4 1st rd picks
2011 don’t have one(Versteeg)
2010 don’t have one (Pronger)
2009 don’t have one(Pronger)
2008 Sbisa(gone)
There is your research, I’d Stamkos for those for the same we gave up for Pronger and Versteeg
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by Crosby sucks on Jun 21, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I should’ve qualified “I’d trade Stamkos for four first round picks” with “if the right team is making the offer.” If it’s the Red Wings, probably not. Winnipeg? I think I might.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 21, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The way the cap is rising in the past couple of years I wouldn’t let him walk for that.
The “that” you were referring to is 4 1st Rounders.
the dude is worth (4) 1st rd picks especially the way we give away 1st rounders.
Did you forget an “at least” in there? Or are you just changing your frame of reference from Lightning front office to Flyers front office? Either way, at least you did some research which is nice.
I’d Stamkos for those for the same we gave up for Pronger and Versteeg
Wait, when did Stamkos become a verb? (I understand that this was just a mangled sentence, I am now merely lightheartedly joking.)
What can't Giroux do?
C’mon man your killing me I’m trying to kick back a couple of suds and your calling me out on a missed word
I’d take Stamkos, better
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by Crosby sucks on Jun 21, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, when did Stamkos become a verb? (I understand that this was just a mangled sentence, I am now merely lightheartedly joking.)
I’m not sure whether or not you read the parenthetical, so I quoted it there, in context, for you.
What can't Giroux do?
yes thank you I did get that
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by Crosby sucks on Jun 21, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think I would he’s so young and so good. Certainly can’t lose the face of your franchise without getting something in immediate return. Plus any team adding him probably wouldn’t be bad for too long, so the later picks might not be top 10 or 15 any more.
What can't Giroux do?
How would years figure into RFA offer sheets? If the team he was on offered him one of those shiny front loaded contracts over multiple years at a reduced hit, and another team offered him a huge cap hit for 2-3 years to keep RFA rights when the first expires, how is the “value” determined? (I am not sure if any of that makes sense.)
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
If Team A offers him a front-loaded, long term deal and Team B offers him a huge, short term deal?
He chooses which offer to accept, then the Blue Jackets choose whether or not to match.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Der, Lightning. Stuck on Voracek.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I suppose teams in non-traditional hockey markets have more of a need to keep their “franchise faces” in order to appease the fans. The other side of that, though, is that those same teams would ideally like to have young, cheap talent coming through in droves. I suppose it depends on what team you’re getting the picks from. If it’s a Burke/Kessel X 2 situation I think I would do it.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 21, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
- What’s up with the FGSB death watch?
- “The lockout of 2004-05 was an increasingly pointless gesture” We knew that in 2004-05.
- “The Penguins will play a preseason game in… Kansas City this year.” Look what you could have had!
- I’m scared and just want today to be over.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Anyone else pumped for the draft? Anyone got any guys they like or don’t like? Predictions? Anything?
Since when has the NHL had a draft. I thought you just signed guys in their 20s from overseas, college, and juniors.
What can't Giroux do?
I figured I’d look into it anyway… I really like Landeskog—-I hope he goes to Florida at 3 overall. I loved Gudbranson last year too. If Landeskog goes there I’ll have a second favorite Eastern Conference team (if thats alowed? I like the Kings out West and Kesler is my favorite non-Flyer… )
by OrangeNblacK on Jun 21, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And now, for something completely different.
Via FGSB’s twitter, Kimmo and Jon Bon Jovi. Sense: this picture makes none.
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For those putting Syvret into next year's lineup
On a random note, Flyers D-Danny Syvret is expected to sign in Europe soon. In particular, Germany (DEL).
-philabright
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Geoff, you may owe me an apology….
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 21, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A) Like I apologize; B) Bright has already backtracked, with a dig at Syvret of course:
For the sake of Phantoms fans, ‘expected’ may have been a bit strong as I’ve only heard the Euro side. Still very real possibility for DS.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Numbers with periods are better
2.
you may owe me an apology
3. I never expect you to apologize anyway…but if he signs in Europe, you know every time you, Shaun, Travis, and I are together, we will all give you shit. And I will always have a knowing smirk on my face, and you’ll know exactly what it means.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 21, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And I will get really, really sad. Is that what you want?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No you won’t. You don’t have feelings.
And stop trying to lay a guilt trip. There should be a Man Rule against that…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
But it works on Don so easily
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
People who refuse to apologize won’t ever make me feel guilty. Now if I did something to piss you off, and you stop talking during a BSH radio show, of course I’ll feel bad (but that’s because of me and my normal, human conscience and natural response…not because you were trying to guilt trip me).
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Dude wants some money while he still has value. If he isn’t going to get a 1-way contact in the NHL, might as well go get some cash while the getting is good. And who knows, maybe he comes back after a couple seasons.
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They won't get rid of Carter or Bobrovsky. We're going to sign an elite goalie and dump EITHER Versteeg, Hartnell or Carle
Stop acting like the team is packing up and leaving ya f****n’ pussies.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re gonna say “fucking pussies”, say “fucking pussies”. Don’t be a fucking pussy and half-ass it.
by Phalange on Jun 21, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
And rec’d
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I would have, but i’ve never cursed here before and wasn’t sure if it was frowned upon or not.
either way i got my point across.
either way i got my point across
That’s true, if your point was “I don’t really know how the cap works, but I have a strong opinion about it anyway.”
You made it work in our guess the roster contest by submitting a 21-man roster and leaving no cap space for injury call-ups. But that’s fine, they’ll probably get through the whole season without any forwards getting hurt, right?
by Eric T. on Jun 21, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Was your point that you have no life, no interest in discussion of reports, and are currently in a crabby mood so you are going to tell of a bunch of people on the internet with a statement that has no factual basis behind it? If so, that point came across quite clear. Job well done.
If what you say is true and the Flyers sign Bryzgalov (or Vokoun, the other “elite” goalie in this year’s FA class) all the while keeping Bobrovsky and Carter, and trading only one of Hartnell, Versteeg, or Carle (and no one else), then you have free reigns to laugh at me for an entire season. But given the Flyers situation right about now, I would say the odds of you being right are about the same as Michael Leighton ever becoming an elite NHL goaltender. Which is to say: none.
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OK. Granted I went about it the wrong way...
But the amount of negativity toward the potential signing of an ACTUAL goalie I’ve seen on this site has literally blown me away! When I heard that the Flyers traded for the rights to Bryzgalov I was ecstatic – even after hearing they would have to move some pieces. But when I came on here to gauge the public opinion it was like the sky had fallen. I’ve been a flyers fan my entire life and was 11 when Hextall left. Am I missing something? We should want this!
… And as for the roster contest… yeah. That was dumb.
I agree that the opinion has been a little overly negative, but I think the $64 million dollar cap has helped to alleviate some of people’s concerns. I think they can manage by only getting rid of Hartnell and waiving Leighton, but we’ll see what happens. I’ve converted to the “let’s wait and see what actually happens before we panic” side.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 21, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No one was, or is, opposed in the abstract to signing any “elite” goaltender, including Breezy.
The “sky is falling” atmosphere is due to the costs – in dollars and to the roster – of this potential signing. If it were ever a matter of waiving Shelley & Leighton and not resigning about 4 RFAs and making one salary dump, say Versteeg — then things would have been a lot more positive.
Taking the other oft-mentioned salary dump candidates (esp. Carle) and factor in the trade-Carter rumors, and you’ve got a lot of skepticism that any improvement due to Breezy will be able to offset the loss in productivity up front and depth everywhere.
It was never just about Breezy, because nothing happens in a vacuum.
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 21, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whenever I see Bryzgalov referred to as “Breezy,” I think of him being some fat, tie-died hippie selling veggie burritos outside of an Other Ones concert.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
If I had his money...
…I’d totally be that guy.
And since there was Bryz, i was easy to go to Breezy. Last two weeks, I was using Greedy Breezy, coz rhyming is fun.
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 21, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Negative reactions to the trade/signing are the result of: a) The length of the deal; b) The cost of the cap hit; and c) The moves that have to be made to fit that in.
Being ecstatic for a good goalie is one thing. Being ecstatic about Jeff Carter being traded in order to afford Bryzgalov is quite another.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 21, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
For succinctness. Not always good at that, in case y’all haven’t noticed :-)
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 21, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If it were 2000, I’d be ecstatic about signing a legit top 10 NHL goalie with numbers comparable to Ilya Bryzgalov. But it’s not. It’s 2011. There is a salary cap now. And in order to afford Bryzgalov, the Flyers, who are tight against the cap as it is, have to trade players in salary dumps in order to get the heavy contract that Bryzgalov is asking for under the cap. So the question becomes, is the team better with average to above average goaltending in Sergei Bobrovsky and a back-up with Carter/Carle/Coburn/Versteeg/Hartnell all on the team, or are they better with Ilya Bryzgalov with Bob as a back-up, but minus some combination of the aforementioned players? The majority of the people on this site believe the former is true.
Granted, the salary cap is going up higher than most people initially believed it would. That is only good news for the Flyers. It is possible they can make this work. They can sign Bryzgalov, and make proper moves without getting any worse as a team. Now whether or not Homer does it, is something that remains to be seen and many people doubt.
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Has anyone else had any nagging feeling that maybe they are not high on Bob at all, and they are trying to pull in an “elite” goaltender to try and inflate his trade value? Not saying I have faith that the team is that smart, but if they think he’s reached as well as he’s going to do in the NHL… (Everyone always brings up Boosh/Esche/Nitty) but it would be genius to dump nearly 2mil while picking up a contender Goalie, especailly if you take back some prospects or picks. (Also, we got Bob fluke scouting in Russia, its not like he cost us picks or anything to begin with.)
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I definitely get the feeling they’re not that high on Bob, what with a single period where his defense hung him out to dry causing him to not just get pulled but demoted to the pressbox and subsequently replaced in the offseason.
But bringing in an elite goalie doesn’t increase Bob’s trade value; it decreases it. Both because they made it clear to the world that they’re not so sure he’s a true #1 (and they know him better than anyone else) and because it clearly makes him more expendable, so teams don’t feel like they have to offer as much to acquire him.
I think he meant that Homer’s plethora of compliments towards Bob and claims that they like him and want to keep him were meant to inflate his trade value. But I agree, bringing in an elite goalie to take over in net instead of Bob decreases his value for all the reasons you listed.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Yes, I meant Homer talking him up, and subsequently being able to keep the verbal games going with “He’s going to be a star, but now that we have our franchise goalie for the next 8 years he will will be a star for YOU.” (reaches for Homer-phone waiting for the calls to roll in on THAT sales pitch.)
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I would have, but i’ve never cursed here before and wasn’t sure if it was frowned upon or not.
See
If you’re gonna say "fucking pussies", say "fucking pussies". Don’t be a fucking pussy and half-ass it.
There’s really no way to reiterate Phalange’s statement to make it more clear.
What can't Giroux do?
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I second that.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
always listening to offers
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think just about any offer would be a bad one/lowball offer; maybe that’s just me. It would have to be a pretty sweet deal. I don’t trust Homer enough.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
the only way to get the tyler seguins of the world is to trade your mike richards or phil kessels of the world.
That being said, Homer hasn’t given us any reason to trust him
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. While almost any trade involving Michael “Goddammit people embrace the name change!” Richards would probably be a bad trade for the Flyers I wouldn’t call him “untouchable”. I don’t think the Flyers have anyone “untouchable.” Then again, i don’t think there are that many untouchable guys to begin with.
What can't Giroux do?
Michael "Goddammit people embrace the name change!" Richards
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 21, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, can anyone clue me in on this? I feel like I’ve seen “Michael” around quite a few times, but I have no idea why.
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I’d say Giroux is right now, realistically
by mantis toboggan on Jun 21, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say he’s on the cusp of untouchable, but like I said I’m rather reluctant to hand out that distinction. He’s
extremelyvaluable at his cap hit to say the least.
What can't Giroux do?
First I would laugh.
Second I would put a contract on Homer.
Third I would pick up Kat from the airport…
You can figure out the rest.
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does that mean you’ll leave us for the Tampa Bay blog?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you always have to take shots
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This thread is full of funny today. I needed a laugh, thanks yalls.
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Yeah, I’ve been absent all summer, but after reading through today, that will have to change. I forgot how much of an asshole everyone is.
Also, I’m almost positive the guy that shot up that pharmacy in Connecticut is Don. Well, looks just like Don, at least. Anyone else see the photo of that guy?
I'm kind of a dick.
Link it.
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Okay, maybe not just like you, but I was at a bar when I saw the story, and I immediately thought of you. After watching again just now, my vision may have been a bit blurred before…..But, if it were a Flyers hat he was wearing, I probably would have called the tip-line…..
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/search-on-for-long-island-pharmacy-shooter-20110620-APX
I'm kind of a dick.
So he has a crappy beard and a hat and is skinny. Other than that, he’s about 3 to 4 inches too short.
I actually think it looks like my buddy Mike Travs (the goalie int he first open ice, and the guy that came to the bar after the 2nd)…just too short.
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Approaching 3:00. Is this thing happening or not? :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Hearing the Board of Governors meeting will be breaking up by 3 p.m. ET. Bettman et. al. to address media when the meeting is over.
The Flyers are 2011 Atlantic Division Champs, the Phillies just keep winning pennant after pennant. Great time to be a fan of those two teams on Broad Street.
Oh, is that what we’re waiting for? Gotcha. I had no idea what events today, if any, would drive the timing of any announcements regarding Bryz…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Thought you meant the release of the schedule. My bad.
The Flyers are 2011 Atlantic Division Champs, the Phillies just keep winning pennant after pennant. Great time to be a fan of those two teams on Broad Street.
While I do look forward to that, my thoughts today have mainly been if/when Homer will set us up the B-bomb.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I think he’ll wait till after the draft. At least he should..
The Flyers are 2011 Atlantic Division Champs, the Phillies just keep winning pennant after pennant. Great time to be a fan of those two teams on Broad Street.
Oh, I agree he should. But Bryz told us all today. So far, he does not appear to be trustworthy. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Waiting
I have been waiting for news all day, and still nothing! Is this a good sign, a bad sign, or just the norm for the Flyers? I think it is just the norm.
They can’t announce a signing until they make a trade.
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