For Realz This Time: Flyers Trade Jeff Carter to Columbus for Voracek, 1st, and 3rd
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 3:47 PM EDT
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Seriously, it's for real this time. We think. Bob McKenzie, Anthony SanFilippo, Sarah Baicker, Tim Panaccio, and plenty others have said it's serious. Despite Paul Holmgren saying he won't break up the core, or saying there was no fire sale, or Carter's agent saying he has been assured that his client wasn't going anywhere, well, Jeff Carter will join Rick Nash, R.J. Umberger, and possibly Scottie Upshall in Columbus.
Let's just get this out of the way first: Anthony SanFilippo called this two weeks ago. Credit where credit is due, even if the rumor has been floating for a year. He pegged Voracek and the 1st.
On to the real issue here: First, trading Jeff Carter is... well, incredibly stupid. He was the Flyers best forward last year, is signed to a cap-friendly deal, and is in the conversation of the NHL's elite. BUT, the return isn't so bad. A former #7 overall pick, the #8 overall pick, and a third rounder? Not bad. Not great, mind you (coughProngercough), but not bad.
Second, say hello to Ilya Bryzgalov, your new starting goaltender. Oh, and maybe drop a coin outside the WFC because the Flyers could use it to pay his hefty salary next year.
Let this sink in for a moment, and we'll come back with more analysis.
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I’m pissed we’re losing Carter!!! Fucking move Hartnell, Steeg… Hello Bryz, bye Jeff…
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 23, 2011 3:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Steeg is not moved. Yet.
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yea it would be nice if they trade steeg and carle and the 8th for the 2nd
by J.D_Rentschler on Jun 23, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Richie’s apparently in the talks with a team
Boosh has been doing decent...but I still hate him
I got Versteeg, and you can't have him.
OMB!
Have you seen that from anybody besides eklund
by DrunkHockeyFan on Jun 23, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Well then I’m mad at Homer for not having the balls to tell Ed this was a STUPID FUCKING IDEA.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
If I were the GM of the Flyers, I’d tell Ed to shove it and that we’re trading away the faces of our franchise, all for a goalie whom will get the usual Philly goalie plague and we’ll all look back and say “June 23, 2011 was the day the Flyers blew up the franchise.”
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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It only took his boss 25 years to realize they need a goalie! He’s been believing the BS that Bobby clarke was spewing about a goalie a product of the team around him. I hate to tell them that they won 2 Stanley Cups because of Bernie Parent. I just hope they looked at the tape of Bryz’s past playoff performances…Boosh has won more playoff series in the last 2 years than Bryz.
by flyersphan17 on Jun 24, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't tell if you're joking or not
So I’ll just post this link.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Bet they could get Richards to center them for free.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 23, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Good time to be a Columbus fan. They got their #1 center for Nash.
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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
There aren’t enough pucks. They were 1-2 in the league last year in ES shots per 60.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The rumor is that Huselius is going on that line.
by flyersphan17 on Jun 24, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I find myself thinking about my position on Jeff Carter over the past year. A year ago I would have been giddy with excitement at the notion of him being traded.
But of the course of the year when he played some incredible defense, I really warmed up to him.
Then he signed a long term deal, which I wasn’t and still not thrilled about(mostly because I don’t like long term deals) but it was in my opinion a modest cap hit given what he brings to the table.
And now, now that he is finally traded, I am pretty pissed off about it. Despite liking the return.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I third this.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I dig Bryz, but losing Carter blows. I need a beer. Or two…
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 23, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
voracek is really goood we made out in this trade like you wouldn’t believe. bye carts
by J.D_Rentschler on Jun 23, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
good trade
got a couple of draft picks, a young player, and now a goalie. Sucks Carter had to go but we have plenty of offensive depth to make up for losing him
by tom174 on Jun 23, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep, saw that against Boston.
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I guess if I have to be named after a drunk driver, being named Pelle isn't so bad.
by Pronger? I don't even know her! on Jun 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Which matters for our scoring.
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I guess if I have to be named after a drunk driver, being named Pelle isn't so bad.
by Pronger? I don't even know her! on Jun 23, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What offensive depth is this that you’re speaking of?
"We didn't do it the easy way. We took the hard way to do it. But we are part of history now."
Giroux, Briere, Richards, and JVR can all put up points. They just gotta carry more of the workload now.
So they are all going to suddenly add 10-15 goals per season?
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Jun 23, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The issue is that Carter was developing into a really dependable two-way forward. Those guys don’t grow on trees. Most of our other offensive “depth” consists of goal-scorers with zero defensive skills (and who are primarily liabilities defensively). The best goaltending in the world needs help preventing goals. Dudes who fuck up in their own end are not a goaltender’s best friend.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I like the return…but sheesh. Why are we always trading away good 17s?
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I guess if I have to be named after a drunk driver, being named Pelle isn't so bad.
by Pronger? I don't even know her! on Jun 23, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions
I’m on a plane. Geoff texted me this as I was stepping on said plane. Now, plane is still at gate well after the scheduled departure time, I believe solely because God wanted my vacation to be ruined by this news.
Anyway, have fun with this guys. And holy shit, a real live draft pick! Hope we get somebody super awesome.(At least the return is good, right?)
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 23, 2011 3:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Gotta say, as a fan of a rival, I’m not thrilled with how much CBJ gave up.
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i think the only objective opinion in this room
people, pay attention to this
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We got a decent return except Voracek isn’t signed so who knows what cap room the Flyers will actually get out of this.
What can't Giroux do?
this is true. the trade’s value relies on what he signs for
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
As a fan of a different rival, I’m thrilled.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
Smart man
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on May 24, 2012 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Farwell
ormer #OHLRangers Nazem Kadri joins former #OHLRangers Mike Richards in Philly. Jeff Carter now a Maple Leaf.
by philsandthrills on Jun 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
That guy is sourcing a fake Pierre LeBrun twitter account. That was fake.
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So, uh, anyone want to get working on an NHL Draft preview? We have a real live 1st round draft pick! #8 overall! For realsies!
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I bet it gets traded before the draft. Seems to be the M.O. of the front office.
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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
they must have someone in mind or they probably would not have made the deal also whoever predicted this had some good sources
by J.D_Rentschler on Jun 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, now we can’t trust Homer with anything. He tells Carter’s agent he won’t be going anywhere, and 2 weeks later he’s traded.
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Okay, here’s the scoop:
Mike Richards to LA for a package including Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds? Hearing from good sources that it could happen.
by philsandthrills on Jun 23, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
I’d only be happy if that also included Dustin Brown
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it's done onto more important pressing matter
Who do we want to draft at #8?
Larsson if he’s still there.
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I would think
If Couturier is still there, he’s the guy. You guys don’t have many good C prospects in the system.
Zim + Zimm = PLAYOFFS!!!11
زیبانژاد سحرگاه از فارسی هاکی است.
by Steck It Out on Jun 23, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
(Way OT) Oh wow Arabic!
What’s it say? Same as the English above it?
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Teehee
It’s Farsi actually.
It says “Zibanejad is the dawn of Persian hockey.” I’m Iranian, and…we stick together!
Zim + Zimm = PLAYOFFS!!!11
زیبانژاد سحرگاه از فارسی هاکی است.
by Steck It Out on Jun 23, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumors Richards to LA for Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
…for fucking real?
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Both Dreger and Bob McKenzie hinted at it being a possibility.
Zim + Zimm = PLAYOFFS!!!11
زیبانژاد سحرگاه از فارسی هاکی است.
by Steck It Out on Jun 23, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps
That was plan B if the Carter thing didn’t happen.
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 23, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Beat me to it. I’ll stab someone if that is the case.
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Done.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha.
No one can be that stupid.
Mourning Gagne forever.
by ToddtheFox on Jun 23, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that requires a Zoolander pic
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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I guess if I have to be named after a drunk driver, being named Pelle isn't so bad.
by Pronger? I don't even know her! on Jun 23, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m about to cry if this is true about Richards. 2 of the best Centers we’ve had on our team in a while traded away? Plus Richards to me is the perfect leader for our team. I don’t want to see him in another uniform.
I am going to be so soooooooooooo pissed if this is true.
But make me feel better by telling me about Schenn and Simmonds.
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Good bye #12, you will always bleed Orange and Black.
by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Aghhhhhhh, I completely agree. Face of the franchise and all that. Second coming of Bobby Clarke! Lifted the Prince of Wales trophy last year…………
THE FUCK
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Exactly. Carter sucks, but I can understand him going more that Richards. Trading your captain??? Bet we’ll have locker room problems next season.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
WHY WOULD YOU TRADE CARTER AND RICHARDS?!?!?!
by ahorrow on Jun 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Excellent move by Homer here. Look, Carter is a great player, but let’s not kid ourselves into thinking he’s Jonathan fucking Teows. Sure, he’s a one or two center on any team, just not the Flyers. The Flyers are loaded at center. The depth chart is flooded with them. You can easily list Richards and G over him. They need a top six winger. Voracek is a top 6 winger. He scores goals, believe it or not. Another thing. You guys have always bitched about not having first round picks, and now that Homer gets the 8TH OVERALL, you guys don’t want it. The return on this trade is mindboggling. To get what they got from Columbus for Jeff Carter is nothing short of a steal. And don’t get me wrong. I’ve always liked Jeff, and losing him definitely hurts. But you have to give something to get something. And boy did they get. Would you rather have Carter, or Leino and Voracek? And this Richards shit is nonsense.
by RH16 on Jun 23, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
A) You’re wrong;
B) When did Jonathan Toews become the standard?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly Carter, Leino is a sheltered one way player that’s going to get paid too much…Voraceck seems like much of the same but will be cost controlled.
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The Flyers are loaded at center. The depth chart is flooded with them. You can easily list Richards and G over him.
About that…
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
Honestly
Would have been better to trade only one of Richards/Carter instead of both, to balance out the roster.
Zim + Zimm = PLAYOFFS!!!11
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by Steck It Out on Jun 23, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If Richards goes to the Kings I’m going with him.
by wry-mouth on Jun 23, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
So let me get this straight…we trade for and presumably sign an “elite” goalie, and then trade our two best defensive forwards? Or at least, two of the top 3.
Awesome.
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Schenn is.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 23, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
simmonds is a young left winger
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
but, you keep Carle and now you expect Voracek and Versteeg to contribute to the back check
any word on Brayden Schenn or Simmonds defense ability?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Simmons is a Defensive beast, or was in LAK, Schenn looks like he has the D skill as well. He will be a solid two-way guy, but it’s a step back in the short term, at least. Schenn was the best player in the WJC last year and is probably the best non-NHL prospect right now.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
simmonds is a wing, we traded a shut down center for a defensive wing. does not compute
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Unless they want to put together a shutdown D line that doesn’t have offensive upside… you could already use Richards in a shutdown role and the line might score. I hope the backstory comes out at some point. To totally remake a team as successful as PHI has been the last couple years? Baffling.
Maybe someone needs to explain the concept of “middle ground” to the PHI brass.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
not to mention one of them is one of the best defensive forwards in the league. And a great leader. I can’t see the logic in trading them both. Plus players will be afraid of getting long term deals from this team now.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news, my ability to be productive at work for the remainder of the day is now completely out the window. Anyone else?
I don’t even know where I work right now.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 23, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Richards is not going anywhere. I refuse to believe it. Having said that, now that I have a brew in me, I do like Voracek. The #8 pick is nice also… plus Bryz… hmmm…
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 23, 2011 4:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
haha, wrong!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I compare him to David Perron: $2.15mil, maybe more if longer deal.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No sir, it is not.
From Panaccio’s twitter (I hate twitter)
“Confirmed. I am told" flyers are talking to more than one club about trading mike Richards”
Reversed?
More than one club is talking to the Flyers about trading Mike Richards? Why not, if you’re some other club. And Homer’s job is to at least listen.
In any event — NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 23, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
Three league executives confirm Mike Richards is in play by Philadelphia.
Leafs fan here, just thought I would chime in.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you ain’t sleeping Aussie. I’d tip your chair, but it’s no use
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If Richards to LAK happens, I’m taking a year off from the Flyers. I’m moving to Nashville, seems like a good time to throw myself at the Preds.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I live in San Diego. Hello Kings Richards Jersey and being a Kings fan (not completely serious but not completely joking either)
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I might be with you, though I might not pick the Predators. I might start rooting for LA with Richards.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I’m living in NYC so I can’t move, but as for my loyalties we’ll see how I feel after my emotions calm down and I look at this logically.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is a team that made it to the second round having a fire sale? Just because Ed Snider wants a shiny, new toy?
What am I going to do with my Carter t-shirt?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Use it as part of a molotov cocktail and throw it in a window at Ed Sniders house.
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by EREX21 on Jun 23, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HOLY SHIT!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Hahaha, glad you’ve come to join the party.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jun 23, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It's official. The news you have all been waiting for
NHL salary cap has officially been set at $64.3 million upper limit; $48.3 million lower limit
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I’m glad that’s all your post was about, with this Richards crap flying around
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 23, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this is crazy and what, but this is actually exciting in a good way. I could live with Richards going for Scenn and Simmons and a 1st
Samesis
How awesome would this be??????
Flyers trade Richards and Carle for doughty and schen then we trade versteig and a low pick for floridas 1st overall ill miss richards but drew doughty is a generational tallent
Gord Miller (TSN):
“Done deal, and it’s a blockbuster. Phi trades captain Mike Richards to LA for Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds.:
kinda just pooped myself
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Please keep Richards
It’s no secret that I’m not crying over the Carter deal, but I really hope they don’t move Mike Richards.
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by mikefive on Jun 23, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
It’s a done deal. So sayeth Gord Miller.
by philsandthrills on Jun 23, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
There is no easy way to say this one
Done deal, and it’s a blockbuster. Phi trades captain Mike Richards to LA for Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds
.
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You can add a 2011 2nd rounder to this.
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I’m going to get hate mail for this, but there has to be something going on behind the scenes that we didn’t know
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
I heard pure rumors that Richie had a perks problem. Didn’t believe it for a second, but your GM who is committed to winning doesn’t do this for shits and gigs.
No matter how crazy you are
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you at least explain what a “perks problem” is?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I.e., did he have a huge sense of entitlement?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
im sure you already know this mike, but he was addicted to pain pills
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I agree. Snider wanted Gagne out (still pissed off about him not coming back for the play offs from the concussion), I’m sure there was something more going on here.
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I agree. I think it was richie saying if he goes I go.
by OrangeNblacK on Jun 23, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Pronger for captain?
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I rec’d that shit.
Fire sale?
Is this a rebuild?
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Tell me about Schenn and Simmonds before I flip a lid at work right now.
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Schenn: 1st line level prospect, played in Saskatoon in the WHL, lit it up at world Juniors.
Simmonds:AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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So I shoudl flip a lid?
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Schenn is the #1 prospect not in the NHL yet…if that helps. Simmonds is a 22 year old, gritty 3rd liner who scores all his points at even strength with lower-end linemates. His most productive season to date was 2009-2010, when he spent some time in the top 6. Last season his points were down but he had the highest Corsi Rel QoC for regular forwards, and had less to work with.
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So you traded a great two way center that lays it all out on the line every game for a guy who’s a third liner and someone who hasn’t played a game yet? That doesn’t help.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Jun 23, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In terms of the win now plan, I agree, I’m not trying to make anyone feel better. But to regard Schenn as anything other than solid…that’s just not so.
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And during the Kovalchuk sweepstakes ATL asked for Simmons and LAK wouldn’t move him. That was apparently a big part of the reason LAK didn’t get him. Lots of teams seem to be very high on Simmons, among other things.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
Schenn is legit. Vouched.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s going to score how many of Carter’s lost goals this season?
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by JerseyDriver on Jun 23, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I’m actually excited about the Richards deal…if it didn’t happen with Carter leaving as well. I’m not really happy with what we got for Carter, or moving him. I figure you have to keep 1 of the 2, and I like the haul Richie got a shit ton more, so I would have loved to keep Carter.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
sadly yes. I hope to be told I told you so when the season gets going and will be proud to admit I was wrong but this is a bit much.
Unless it bring Iginla here.
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i would never say i told you so
It would imply that I wanted these guys traded. Which I didn’t, I just look forward to change
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m more in shock than upset right now. This is a lot to take in. Like the most ever.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 23, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes the Gagne trade look like NBD in comparison.
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It really, really makes me sad to agree with you. Richards was my favorite Flyer but… I love me some Brayden Schenn too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, if I look at this from a fan/emotional perspective…I hate seeing Richards go, don’t really care about Carter. If I look at this from a production/situation and trade value view, I don’t mind Richards going, would have liked to keep carter. All a matter of perspective. And with that, I’m off/
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by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 23, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
played in Saskatoon in the WHL
After being Matt Calvert’s center in Brandon!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Just putting this out there…but Ilya Bryzgalov is now the most hated man in Philadelphia sports. Possibly, ever.
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by EREX21 on Jun 23, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He needs to get us 2 of each to justify trading Richards.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is a shame, because without all this nonsense, I could really get behind someone like Bryz.
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Him and Pelle pounding vodka in the great crease in the sky huh?
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Simmonds isn’t a prospect, he is a solid 3rd liner who shows flashes of top 6 stuff on occasion.
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Carter is a #1. Richards is a #2/3
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? You don’t buy Richards as a 1?
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
What Geoff is saying is Richie’s role is not that of a number one center—- especially on a team with Giroux/Carter/Briere
by OrangeNblacK on Jun 23, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I think he has 1C talent. The depth chart distinctions aren’t that important. Malkin is a 2C, but he’s really a 1C, right?
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
Right. Richards has 1C talent, but he’s at his best in a #2 role. He’s not your offensive guy. He will get his 75 points, but that mostly comes on special teams. He’ll play behind Kopitar, probably with Dustin Brown, and that line will be insanely good.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely. PHI just made LAK a favorite in the west.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
Oh, and Dean Lombardi’s hesitant trigger finger? Squashed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This. Sorry for brevity.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys it’s so good I don’t own a gun
Of Philadelphia:
I always think it's a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem.
I’m going to have a tough time on my 3-hour drive to NJ tonight trying to not kill myself or anyone else. If anyone tailgates me, they’re fucking dead.
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Agreed. It’s the jeep with the Flyers tire cover (maybe).
by mantis toboggan on Jun 23, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Black Jetta. Roof racks. Very faded hood. Probably driving rather fast and angrily….
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this is great. I’m picturing you 2 driving looking for each other like mad men on the road, almost movie like.
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Don’t think Miller said it’s for sure just yet:
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Sorry dude
@GMillerTSN: Done deal, and it’s a blockbuster. Phi trades captain Mike Richards to LA for Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds."
Zim + Zimm = PLAYOFFS!!!11
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by Steck It Out on Jun 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t believe it!
Neighbours tell me Richards was the same awesome guy playing for the Rangers; years of greatness were still to come.
Sh!t. Who’s next?!!
by Dave in Kitchener on Jun 23, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Heading to Philadelphia.
Going to find Paul Holmgren. I’m going to cut off his balls with a rusty spoon, and then I am going to make him eat them.
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I’m coming to PA this weekend. I may just as well pay Homer a visit… and make him un-do the trades. at least Richards.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
we are going to get a draft pick apparently…come on…NO WHAMMY…1st rounder
Boosh has been doing decent...but I still hate him
I got Versteeg, and you can't have him.
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This is how we get back our draft picks? By trading our first rounders from 2003? The best draft in recent history?
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter AND RICHARDS???!?!!?!?!?!
I think I’m going to be sick. What the fuck. Where do I go from here?
Im speachless. Honestly. But I can honestly say I’m not that upset. Sure, I’ll mis Richie and Carter tons. But the future is around G and JVR…….and Bryzgalov
Samesis
Maybe, but in the present, this team got pretty shitty, pretty fast.
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nope. You know why?
That defense is still in front of Bryz
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So we can lose 2-1 every game.
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that won’t even happen, and you know that
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
After not being on all day due to research...
I come back to Carter AND Richie being traded?
WHAT.
THE.
FUCKING.
HELL!
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by Chemistry66 on Jun 23, 2011 4:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not that anyone cares
But Robin Regyhr is likely to get traded to the Sabres, in a move that ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
Does it? I think he’s lost a bunch off his fastball the last couple years.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
It does because it means the Sabres are one Andrew Ference away from acquiring every single defensemen on the 2004 flames.
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Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
Hahahahaha
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I left for 1 hour and 45 minutes for a meeting, and came back to this. FML.
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Schenn is beyond an ok prospect.
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Does anyone think Richards ok’d this because of the Carter trade? Not saying I believe he would…but why the hell else would this happen?
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by Pronger? I don't even know her! on Jun 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
“Trade call is not complete, but the parties in the Phi/LA have agreed to the deal. League approval should come within the hour.”
There’s still hope… ugh.
Either that or Bryzgalov is getting a billion dollars. My money is on the latter.
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The only other thing I can think of...
Which has been mentioned in passing on PPP, maybe you guys are in on Brad Richards?
I’d rather have Mike Richards over Brad Richards any day of the year for the rest of time.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not suggesting it’s better, personally I would take the combination of Jeff Carter and Mike Richards any day over Brad Richards….
But at least it would be something?
I bet Brad Richards will be getting a higher cap hit than Mike’s cap hit right now. And with Bryzgalov, that’s just more bad contracts.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Jun 23, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a bit unbelievable, but I’m not bothered by any of this. At all
the thing I’m bothered by if anything is the bad contract Bryz might get
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
At this point, if they are going to do this, I’d prefer they blow it all up.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
This is one of the few times we’re in the same boat. I like these trades
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Like I said Richie and Carter were some of my fav players, but this is just so damn fun.
Samesis
I hope you’re aware of something on a deeper level than the rest of us.
I want to kill somebody.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
do you think with the current roster the Flyers won’t make the playoffs next season?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong question. Do you think the current Flyers roster is better than it was this morning?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
with or without the impending goalie upgrade?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate the Carter deal, but at least they got an immediate and future return for it. But with Richards, who the hell is going to be the shut-down center that he was? Who is going to be the captain? There are now so many holes in this team created just by trading Mike Richards.
They’ll make the playoffs, sure. After that, I don’t know.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Your captain is Chris Pronger. I don’t think you lose anything by that swap at the leadership position
you are right in the shutdown center regard, but I’d have to look at the numbers to see if Simmonds and Schenn play defense
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
more space then.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope 35+
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Never playing again? Come on now
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No none knows what’s going to happen with his back. It’s an unknown at this point
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by JerseyDriver on Jun 23, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If he retires due to injury I believe he comes off. Lot’s of red tape I’d imagine.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 23, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah same deal with Lappy, he can’t play but can’t retire because the money will still be on the flyers cap, with him “attempting” to return it keeps him on LTIR and his hit comes off.
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Ah. Well lets hope that doesn’t happen, huh?
by mantis toboggan on Jun 23, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Schenn is good, but shutdown C as a rookie is a mighty tall order.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
I would assume that goes to Giroux.
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So you’re going to waste G’s talent scoring by putting him in a role where his first job is to stop someone else from scoring?
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by JerseyDriver on Jun 23, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You know him and Carter had that role this past year right?
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To some extent, yes.
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by JerseyDriver on Jun 23, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Feel free to check Eric’s chart. Not just to some extent, he was, and he excelled there. I’m not saying it’s his optimal situation, especially without carter on his wing, but I’m saying he’s done it, and excelled at it.
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Yeah, I’m aware, but Corsi Rel QoC is what I’m referring to, not zone starts.
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This is what blows my mind. There were PLENTY of other players that could have gone to make room for Bryz. We’ve listed them all on too many occasions: Leino, Hartnell, Carle, Coburn… so WHY THE FUCK WOULD IT EVER BE A GOOD IDEA TO TRADE AWAY RICHARDS AND CARTER
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Lets hear it for Homer, ladies and gentlemen….
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by Ivan Monteiro Prado on Jun 23, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
Come on, give him some credit. Homer has been working at this for a couple years now…
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
And these trades are damn good considering Snider said “Get it done”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
For what it's worth
Schenn and Simmonds is the deal many of the NYR fans wanted when they were ready to trade Gaborik in December.
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it’s fucking sad when one of the few people I agree with in the room is the Rangers fan
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh, I think this is certainly a short-term loss for PHI, I think long-term though you guys end up winning.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even think it’s a short term loss, honestly
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on how ready Schenn is.
Voracek and Simmonds are nice players, but they’re not going to replace Richards/Carter.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
with the positions you’re opening up, youre essentially offering auditions to see what other players can step to the forefront. I believe that Giroux and JVR are ready to become the 2 best offensive players on this team
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s going to be an interesting year, that’s for sure.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
JVR is not ready. Giroux is but he needs support. The whole depth of this team and it being their strength is gone now. We’ll be lucky to have 2 scoring lines. We’ll have no shutdown 3rd line and a 4th line of goons. HOW IS THIS BETTER?
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how do we have no shutdown 4th line? How do we have a 4th line of goons?
Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, Holmstrom, Read
we now have draft picks and room for free agents
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Aside from Simmonds none of them are shut down players in the NHL. and like I said before there’s a HUGE difference between a shut down center and a winger who is good defensively.
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but with the space you now have you can go out and get defensive specialists. Your defense is intact, you have a better goalie
the offense is the only thing that needs to be rearranged now
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I don’t expect you to be. I can’t criticize any of you, because I think it’s warranted
But, I just don’t feel the same way
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if we win the Cup this year, I don’t know how the fuck I’m going to feel when it’s not Mike Richards being the first to lift it…
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it will be Pronger
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
this
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by coheedandtbs on Jun 23, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
all that matters is that we’re actually lifting it
by phillies0100 on Jun 23, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree with this really, it’s just been win now shoved down our throats, then this happens. This is definitely a lose today, win tomorrow type deal (that’s not saying the Flyers won’t have a good season next year, just from the trade POV).
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Would they have also traded Gaborik for Richards straight up? Because I wouldn’t.
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No, probably not. Mostly because of the whole “Richards is a Flyer” thing, plus he and Dubinsky hate each other.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough to say. Probably would be a close vote.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Schenn and Simmonds is the deal many of the NYR fans wanted when they were ready to trade Gaborik in December.
And were never, ever going to get…!
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Haha, well there's that
Just saying value wise, that’s what the NYR base thought those two were worth.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, at least we still have fans. If you guys traded Crosby and Malkin there would be no more Penguins.
by OrangeNblacK on Jun 23, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, you think the Pens are still the better team?
youre a bit delusional
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
IT’S CALLED DEPTH
i wouldn’t expect a bandwagoner to know more than Malkin and Crosby
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I should add—is there some other move they are planning to bring in a different forward? What FAs are left?
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Under.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
funny enough, all of the guys the Flyers got today have B to A- potential on NHL 11. I can see where homer did his research.
Good, make sure the video game is where all of the games are played next year, not on an actual ice surface, and then maybe this gets a little better
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by JerseyDriver on Jun 23, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Remember,
Voracek is a FA and not guaranteed to sign, although I think it’s similar with Ilya in that since they’re bringing him in here they’ll have no choice.
WTF?
So fillipo says versteeg is not being traded WTF???
WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING!?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't decide which applied more, so I'll post them all.
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Capgeek is up. I don’t think we look particularly competitive next year. Keep Schenn in the minors, right?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I think think you trade for Schenn to put him in the AHL…especially now that they have the openings.
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No way. You just traded your captain for that guy, and you’re not going to play him?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 23, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’d be silly. And that’s just from the practical/PR standpoint. Schenn is legit ready to contribute in the NHL. Obviously I know nothing about the game, or I’d be in it, so don’t listen to me. This is a paraphrase of what Ken Holland said about WJC players during the 2010 WJC (i.e. the John Carlson WJC).
Q: What do you look for when you watch players here? How do you know what translates to the NHL?
Ken Holland: You look for the players that stand out on this stage. Any player that stands out here is ready to step into the NHL and make an impact.
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
Holmgren must think that today is the rapture I call I get to take care of his dog you guys can have the rest of the team and all holmgrens possesions
i also feel like today must be the rapture
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by coheedandtbs on Jun 23, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, you guys have to stop ankle humping these players. We knew someone was going bye bye. Carter was always the most likely, and we got a rocking deal for him.
Richards played the pouty baby boy thing too long. How many more years do you think Snyder was going to put up with it from a 23 Goal scorer?
Voracek, top six winger.
Schenn, a great scorer in the pipeline, could play this year.
Bryz will be in the crease.
And the D remains intact.
Seriously, get off the ledge, overreacting philly fans.
I don’t have words for how crazy you are. “Pout baby boy thing”? The fuck.
"We didn't do it the easy way. We took the hard way to do it. But we are part of history now."
yeah, i thought he was a leader
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re on the wrong blog to talk about how great a hockey mind you are if you think Richards was a bad player.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Jun 23, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I believe you are overvaluing him, especially in view of the reported issues in the room. I’m allowed to disagree with you. It’s America.
I’m allowed to disagree with you. It’s America.
What does that have to do with anything? You came in trashing Richards, we called you on it, and you backtracked that you never said he was “bad.” Absolutely you can disagree. But if you’re going to change your story, I’m going to call you on it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
What reported Issues? Oh like Carter sleeping with Hartnell’s wife? yeah good one.
http://restorations.bandcamp.com/
uhhhhhh WHAT? are you retarded? he’s won everything but a Cup and he’s in his prime. you’re an idiot.
http://restorations.bandcamp.com/
He already proved that in 09-10, when he set a record for shorties, and got jobbed of the Selke he deserved (he came in 2nd btw).
He played an entire playoff run with 2 torn shoulders, We went to the finals last year probably because he knocked Krejci out of the series.
The guy is a warrior in a league of warriors, and he played this entire last season with a screwed up wrist. I don’t know if you ever played hockey or not, but if you did I’m sure you know that if your wrist is not right, that puts a giant crimp in your entire game.
If I was a kings fan I’d be pretty excited to see what a healthy Mike Richards with something to prove is going to do for a team that is already pretty frigging good.
by Gizmoitus on Jun 23, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, he was a leader. See: SHG vs. Montreal in 2010, Prince of Wales, captain of Canada’s gold-medal World Juniors team, captain of the fucking Philadelphia Flyers
"We didn't do it the easy way. We took the hard way to do it. But we are part of history now."
i disagree with the Richards comment
but yeah I think this is an overreaction. I’m guilty of doing it too
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You left out Simmons who is an excellent forward, young with a lot of potential. Put up 30 points with the Kings, is 6’1 – 6’2 and only 22. Needs to get stronger defensively but the Kings weren’t exactly a defensive minded system.
Needs to get stronger defensively but the Kings weren’t exactly a defensive minded system.
Um, what? A defensive minded system is all we are. Or were.
Simmonds has had Handzus as his linemate, the Kings’ defensive/shutdown center, which accounts for the negative Corsi. When he got to play in top 6 roles, he put up more points. He’s never been sheltered in terms of linemates or zonestarts, either, so there’s that.
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Hey Niesy,
I didn’t see near enough Kings games I wanted to this past season, something I plan to rectify this year. I live in LA. ;) FWIW, I never got the Defensive system watching them - always seems like a run and gun offense to me. I didn’t realize he played with Zeus this season, that does explain a lot, although his +/ (not that it’s an accurate gauge) has been up and down since he broke in. I think he’s could turn out to be a real steal out of this deal. I don’t know much about Brayden Schenn other than his big brother is a Luke, and he was the 5th pick in 2009. Considering our complete lack of any draft picks this could be pretty great as well.
The main thing is, that I like Simmonds a lot from what I’ve seen of him. I made a point this year to bring my son to a bunch of games, as I’m planning to get him started playing hockey this year, so I will be frequenting JoC a lot more. Thanks for the insight.
In a vacuum I can see how these moves do make some hockey sense and maybe in the long run we are better off. Here is what I don’t get. Wasn’t the whole rationale for bringing in a tender like Bryz to ‘win now’ because our window with the current core would be closed by the time Bob was ready to be a true #1? If that is the case then you just took that core that you were getting the goalie for and blew it to smitherines. Doesn’t really make sense at all. In this case we now have a team that could grow up with Bob…smh…
by phanatic's phloozies on Jun 23, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions
kinda makes sense but it's a very scary scenario. The team will have to win right away
or it will have alienated it’s fanbase!
now that shit is interesting
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
linkery-do?
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Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Stamkos ain’t happening… Stevie Y has made that…. pretty clear.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
Yeah, I figured as much, I just wanted to read where this came from because WTF, my mind is already blown.
I’m actually far more okay with moving Richards, and the return, I would have liked to keep Carter, or gotten a bit more for him.
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Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
Why are you more ok with Richards over Carter? I would’ve been able to get over losing Carter but not Richards.
I like Richards more in every way as a fan. I like Carter more in almost every way from an objective stand point (granted the difference in small).
I also like the return far more with Richards, and that tipped the scale clearly for me.
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Geoff has Boosh, Mike's got Powe, Nodl is all mine!
He’s awesome — but WTF? How much $$ would he get? Homer has gone completely batshit. Some put LSD in his bourbon or his water or whatever he’s drinking.
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 23, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
why would TB get rid of him? What the fuck is going on here? it’s like bizzaro world of bad dreams coming true.
http://restorations.bandcamp.com/
I haven’t checked TB’s money situation but I can’t imagine they are cash strapped that much to not be able to afford him. Odd though that July 1st is fast approaching and no word has been made about TB resigning him?>
http://restorations.bandcamp.com/
Just unbelievable. I’ve never been so furious. I want to tear up my jerseys and never look back. But I won’t. It’s just gonna take a while for this to sink in….
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
i’ve also heard a possible attempt at brad richards?
there MUST be something up their sleeve to shed this much cap right?
…………right?
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DONT SAY THAT, you’ll give homer ideas.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
by Ubiquitous on Jun 23, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Paul Holmgren's assistant GMs
Zim + Zimm = PLAYOFFS!!!11
زیبانژاد سحرگاه از فارسی هاکی است.
by Steck It Out on Jun 23, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Giroux is the nucleus of the team
It’s been pretty obvious the last season that he is the future of the franchise at this point, the way they are using him. The double shift him half the time, he’s out on special teams, and they moved him to center. He also has dragon blood, and apparently gets along with Lavvy.
I'm officially reserving judgment
It appears there might be more going on? Even though it’s all probably twitter rumors? Maybe he’s trying to trade Bryz rights as well? Homer is playing chess (while on LSD)?
to come so close with said team and give it a remodelling, I don’t blame them
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
2010
come on man
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
we were watching two different games
team who get spanked dont go to overtime in game 6
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides that, you’re talking about something that happened two seasons ago. What metric does that imply upon any of these trades/
That it is almost exactly the same team and now we’re trading it all away?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
You’re right. The team blows. Trade ’em all, start from scratch.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Never said that. Just said I understand what these deals mean. I like them, sorry. They make sense, for a change. You get a goalie. You get a top six forward. You are already bursting at center. You get another player, Schenn, who is probably a top 2 center in a year/ two….
And you resign the rest of the guys you wanted.
I get that. And I am admittedly freaking out a bit over this. Losing BOTH Carter and Richards is a huge fucking blow, IMO. And doing it for a goalie who I don’t think was the smartest option. We could have paid much less for another goalie who can put up similar numbers, like Vokoun or Varlamov. And if we get one of those guys, we get the upgrade we want in net and don’t have to ship off our top 2 centers to do it. I think these moves are an overreaction by Snider to our early exit from the playoffs this year. Sorry I’m taking it out on you.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
…Change from the top…. yes. We hate changing from one of the top teams in hockey.
by OrangeNblacK on Jun 23, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
9 yrs, 51 mil for Bryz …so why exactly did we have a fire sale?
"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt
wait, what?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sourcessss people
Of Philadelphia:
I always think it's a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem.
sorry dude, I’m at work on my phone ..not that tech savvy
"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt
forgiven
you gotta understand everyone’s state of mind right now. I don’t even know what mine is.
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 23, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
oh i know ..i should have said that in the post …im in cali so i still gotta work for 3 more hours with all this going on …its brutal
"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt
@TSNBobMcKenzie: Bryzgalov contract with PHI is done. 9 years, $51 million.
Zim + Zimm = PLAYOFFS!!!11
زیبانژاد سحرگاه از فارسی هاکی است.
by Steck It Out on Jun 23, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Twitter? at least put the twitter link up
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 23, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to be harsh, but I am done fucking around with rumors.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
LINK HERE (not Bob McKenzie but a coworker)
http://twitter.com/#!/GMillerTSN/status/83998789475635200
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I really hope there is
Of Philadelphia:
I always think it's a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem.
Per @BobMcKenzie:
Cap ceiling is $64.3 million next season.
Mckenzie reporting the Bryz deal
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
Rumor-mania
I’m hearing we’re after Steven Stamkos now… anyone hear this?
This is a fucking CRAZY afternoon.
Stevie Y all but said he was signing Stamkos at any cost.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
Can’t see Stevie Y letting Stevie S go, really
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 23, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This is how I look at it as is. They have wayyyyyy too much cap space now for there not to be another humongous move coming. Unless Leino wants 6 mill, and Homer is happy to oblige. Hearing Stamkos, hearing Lecavalier.
cap space is a beautiful thing
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
lol’d. hard.
this is true, but they have so much cap space now, they can sign a franchise player and still be way under the cap.
So give up two known quantities that were franchise type players to sign another one?
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Jun 23, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite thusfar.
"We didn't do it the easy way. We took the hard way to do it. But we are part of history now."
...
How ’bout this?
I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.
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Yeah, I mean, getting to Game 7 of the ECF, scoring 12 points in 15 games… Clearly Gagne didn’t help Tampa.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 24, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
So, what do you buy with this cap space
Come on, you definitely know that free agents are rolling in
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions
So since it’s such a big news day, maybe MarioD should be un-banned for one day. I gotta hear his reaction…
A kitten on fire, a baby in a blender, both sound as sweet as a playoff surrender.
SHUT UP!
Eagles next starting QB: "East-West Shrine Game Legend" Mike Kafka
Flyers: Sigh
Phillies:Gah enough with the injuries!.
I believe you mean...
I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.
Chem and Gus to the restaurant.
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Kat says that anyone that wants to join her on her Holmgren-killing mission is welcome.
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Chem and Gus to the restaurant.
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This is how I'm feeling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92IkddsjtAA#t=00m16s
Eagles next starting QB: "East-West Shrine Game Legend" Mike Kafka
Flyers: Sigh
Phillies:Gah enough with the injuries!.
by bdawk4ever on Jun 23, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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