2011 NHL Draft, Discussion Thread: Day Two Is Here, Do You Still Care?

I’ll watch some of it but if I find something else on I’ll probably change the channel

Yeah I do. Xavier Oullett is still out there

Would the Panthers trade their 2nd round selection to the Flyers for Versteeg?

Don’t think the Flyers want to trade Versteeg. We should see a full season of KV, where he’s healthy at least in the beginning. It could only be better.

Of course I still care. Draft picks need to be put towards ADK

I love draft picks, but really, if you dont want to role out the U23 squad, we should keep Versteeg.

Missed the draft yesterday cause I went to see Cars 2. Don’t regret it at all.

I still care, but I might have to leave before we even get to the next Flyers pick so I won’t be able to really watch it.

I see Couturier thinks he can/wants to make the Flyers out of camp. I agree with people that I’d rather have a UFA guy like Belanger to fill that shutdown role than force Couturier into it so early.

What do people think of making Briere play wing more? I want G at center, but I feel like Briere will be effective at wing while allowing a center to be more responsible defensively than he is.

Something like ..

JVR/Giroux/Voracek
Hartnell/Schenn/Briere
Simmonds/Belanger/Versteeg
Shelley/Betts/someone

Also, re: our draft picks. We have Columbus third, two fourths, a sixth, and two sevenths?

That third we traded to Phoenix for Bryz, that must’ve been 2012?

I was just looking at our schedule for next year kinda surprised that we don’t play the Pens til December. I would of thought they would of had us played them sooner then that. Richie & Carts comeback to Philly before we play them

I guess I’m more excited / have less to do on a Saturday morning than most people. :)

In the new CBA they’re talking about not letting teams pick in the top ten more than two years in a row, or in the top 5 two years in a row…I like the idea, doubt it ever happens, but some owners are upset because in the cap era it’s such a ridiculous advantage to be awful and get those picks a few years in a row.

So.. we took another center.

So.. we took another center.Nick Cousins, 5’10 169 from Sault Ste. Marie

A report on him:

Cousins was the 21st pick in the 2009 OHL Draft and the diminutive center is an integral part of the Greyhounds’ core moving forward. There is no doubting that Cousins has the offensive ability to be a gamebreaker at the OHL level. He’s got deceptive moves in traffic and very good vision on the ice. He’s also got a bit of grit to his game and isn’t afraid to shy away from the difficult areas on the ice despite being undersized. As an NHL prospect, however, I’m not sure he’s going to amount to much. His skating is improving but it’s still only slightly above average. His defensive game also isn’t anything to write home about and detracts from his value as an NHL prospect. If he can put up 60-70 points this season an NHL team might snap him up with a late round pick, because he does have good skill and has some of those pesty qualities that can get under another team’s skin, but I don’t expect him to go in the Top 5 rounds and wouldn’t be shocked if he winds up going undrafted either.

Interesting, Filatov got traded to the Sens. I’ve always thought he was a legit talent, but has a sort of Zherdev attitude.

Richards is wearing the number 10 in LA btw

#flyers pick at 84 no longer we’ve been informed. taken off the list. will find out why shortly

Oh, Panotch. If you’d been following along with us DG would’ve solved that for you awhile ago.

Great work by Scott Howson to get a 3rd round pick for Filatov.. #teamsgettingbetter

It was apparently deleted, but since I haven’t hit refresh on my window, I can still see it.

Carchidi says the Flyers’ D will be better next year.

I guess Pronger and Timonen getting a year older and shipping out the two forwards who took on the toughest defensive assignments will…help?

The Flyers almost sent Mike Richards to Winnipeg.

Simon Gagne will not return to #TBLightning per @AndrewKnollNHL. #LAKings will be among teams to kick tires.

We’re about to pick, yay!

Can we do that in the NHL draft like in the MLB draft and pick up someone supremely talented in these late rounds?

Solid scouting report from In Lou it looks like:

http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2011/6/9/2186315/colin-sullentrop-2011-draft-prospect-profile

Philadelphia Flyers
The Flyers pick Left Wing Marcel Noebels from the WHL in the fourth round 118th overall

From the preseason write-up from The Scouting Report:

With a trio of highly touted forwards in Lucas Lessio, Boone Jenner and Nicklas Jensen up front, Suellentrop could be a promising defender on the backend for the rebuilding Generals. While last season was a struggle at times, Suellentrop did have stretches of strong play and handled a lot of minutes for a bad hockey team. He played for the United States at the Ivan Hlinka tournament, and with a year under his belt, the Generals will hope that Suellentrop can take a big leap forward in his game this year. He has good size and puck instincts, but he’ll need to be better positionally and display more polish in his transitional game this year.

NHL Central Scouting’s B.J. MacDonald

“Noebels has adjusted pretty well, and he’s positioning himself better in the second half of the season. He’s got nice size and awareness, displays playmaking capabilities, I like the way he thinks, but he must improve his foot speed.”

HockeyFuture:

2010-11: In his WHL rookie season, Noebels played in 66 games for the Thunderbirds. He scored 28 goals and added 26 assists for 54 points. Noebels played for Germany at the 2011 U-20 World Junior Championship, scoring 1 goal and adding 2 assists for 3 points in 6 games.

Winnipeg Free Press reporting that the Flyers tried dealing @MRichie18 to the Jets for the 7th overall and Evander Kane but were denied.

I wish NHL.com or somewhere had a big board type thing of the remaining prospects as ranked by central scouting that shows who the highest ranked prospects are left so we could actually see who we might be looking at drafting, or who’s ranked high that has fallen (like Noebels apparently).

Via his Twitter account

With pick #176 we took Petr Placek, a high schooler from the Czech Republic that’s playing in Connecticut, 6’4 210 RW

from hockeyspy.blogspot.com:

Like Colin Jacobs, Petr Placek was expected to place very highly on the draft board at the first of the season, an outside chance of even the first round. However, like Colin Jacobs, it wasn’t to be. Petr was injured and was limited to just eight games for a lousy team. And to make matters worse, when he did play, he played a way too perimeterish for a huge guy, more like some of the dipperettes that he was playing against from the other high schools.

So as a scout, do you say, forget him, he just wasn’t any good. Or do you say, wait a minute, he hardly played so he could still have lingering effects from his injury, maybe I should just forget this year and evaluate him on his potential. The answer probably lies somewhere in between but it is hard to believe that teams will take too many pawns when there still is a "Czech Mate" possible on the board. A 6’4 210 lb, winger with a huge wingspan and an excellent work ethic and alluring offensive qualities (vision, shot, strength, calmness) is likely to be gone no later than the end of the third round.

I thought of a Coutier question from last night. If he makes the big team out of camp and struggles do we get to send him to ADK, or does he fall all the way back down to Major Juniors? I know if he doesn’t make it out of camp you said theres rules to keep him below the AHL level.

Holmgren said he has not spoken to Ville Leino’s agent, Bill Zito, since before he arrived at the Draft.

Good, and let’s keep it that way.

With pick 206 we select Derek Mathers, a 6’3 226 RW out of Petersborough of the OHL, who spells his name correctly.

I am digging these choices thus far. Taking the former Number 1/Midterm number 2 at #8. Cousins ranking waise is a wash, Sullenthrope maybe is a sleeper? But Noebels and Placek late is pretty awseome. a top 50 at 118 and then Placek who was mid 50’s at midterm before dissapearing with an injury at 176. Now on the last pick another giant RW. Personally I like a lot of size, I hope a couple of these later picks pan out.

Rangers did not qualify Gilroy, headed to market after rejecting alternate offer

Former Hobey Baker award winner heading to Free Agency.

You guys have done an amazing job this week. About six months ago I stopped reading the MSM on the Flyers (unless you point to a story). Reading some of the stuff in the MSM this week reminded me why. Much of it is careless and breezy.

So thank you. You make it hard to take the summer off.

As the Flyers’s season ended, the talk on here was how the team had to stop giving away draft picks, had to get younger, had too much money tied up in contracts. How it was headed to a huge, long decline.

And then, two surprising moves later, we go from a Flyers Autumn to a Flyers spring. Richards and Carter had last season and this season to win the cup it seems. I can only think that this move was the right move – if only so that it gives hope for the future, instead of only memories to look back on.