Monday Morning Fly By: It's a New Week
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Recaps of the Flyers' second day of drafting: [NHL Hot Stove] [Philly Sports Daily] [Frequent Flyers] [CSNPhilly]
- The Flyers utilize the strategy of drafting the best player available, not for need: [CSNPhilly]
- A wrap-up of the Atlantic Divion's draft: [Hockey Prospectus]
- As was linked in a FanShot already, Jeff Carter's agent claims the Flyers lied to him and to Carter: [Columbus Dispatch] [Frequent Flyers] [SB Nation Philly]
- Why people need to stop saying Mike Richards and Jeff Carter are bad leaders. Short memories and biased narratives are the driving force: [SB Nation Philly]
- Arguing that the Flyers, once again, don't make any sense: [Arctic Ice Hockey]
- Arguing that that Flyers "threw away a working model": [Hockey Prospectus]
- Eric wrote a great piece introducing Mike Richards to the L.A. fans: [Jewels From The Crown]
- It's now Chris Pronger's team: [delcotimes.com]
- But the torch has now passed to Claude Giroux and James van Riemsdyk: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Bobby Clarke likes the direction his team has gone in: [NHL.com]
- What does the signing of Ilya Bryzgalov mean for Sergei Bobrovsky? [Philly Sports Daily]
- Ten Million may seem like a lot of money for the Flyers, but it's really not. How Chuck Gormley might spend it: [Flyer Files]
- Still suffering from shock over the Richards and Carter trades? You're not alone: [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- An early look at what the 2012 Phantoms might look like: [Flyers Faithful]
- A recap of all the new jerseys and logos debuted at this year's draft: [icethetics]
- How would the Panthers reach the cap floor? By having Dale Tallon take the terrible Brian Campbell contract he signed in Chicago down to Florida: [Puck Daddy]
- When the Sharks traded Devin Setoguchi for Brent Burns, they showed the NHL how even perfectly run teams in small markets are sacrificing talent because they can't afford to spend money: [Arctic Ice Hockey]
- A look at a possible realignment plan for the NHL: [Puck Daddy] [Washington Times]
- While reading Justin Bourne explain the difference between undrafted and drafted players, I couldn't stop thinking of Danny Syvret. And how the team would keep giving Ryan Parent chances he didn't deserve over Syvret. Good look by Bourne: [Puck Daddy]
- Adding to the story on how soon one can figure out a forward's goal scoring ability, here's the defensemen one: [Arctic Ice Hockey]
- The 10 most awkward rookie photos from the draft: [Puck Daddy]
- The always fantastic look at who has the most difficult schedule, looking at distance traveled and back-to-back games: [On the Forecheck]
- How often does the best team in the NHL win the Cup? Less often than you think: [Objective NHL]
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On a completely unrelated note
I saw this on twitter and it worried me:
I think its pronounced COAT-EE-AY. Haha how do we come up with a nickname that’s not “Coatsy”? Coats? #Flyers #cantspeakfrench
Let’s not call Couturier Coatsey…please?
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 27, 2011 6:32 AM EDT reply actions
From what I’ve heard it seems more like “ko-TUR-yay”
Hockey, beer, and tasty food items? Yes please.
by ghettorigged on Jun 27, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Ko-TURE-ee-ay.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Hate to harp on about this again but...
Arguing that the Flyers, once again, don’t make any sense:
Arguing that that Flyers “threw away a working model”
It’s naive to assume that, for some reason, the Flyers did not believe they had a working model. It’s also naive to assume that the Flyers do not know that their chances of winning the 2012 Stanley Cup were greater last week than they are this week. The Flyers had other things in mind. Let’s trust the FO a little bit here people, this does happen to be the same FO that has created one of the most successful NHL franchises since 1967 (in winning %, cup finals appearances, playoff appearances, division wins, everything apart from cup wins really…and cup wins rely on a lot of luck as we know)
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 27, 2011 6:38 AM EDT reply actions
- Apparently when Richards was called and told about the Carter news he went fucking ballistic. He must have had hardly any emotion left for himself 30 minutes later.
From the FGSB article you linked above. I think the situation may well have been that if Carter was ever traded Richards would likely have to be moved too. I think they were that tight. It’s interesting because I always wondered why Carter didn’t have a chip on his shoulders from losing the ‘most exciting Flyers prospect’ tag to Richards somewhere over the course of their NHL careers. But anyway maybe he’s just not ultra-competitive like that. All I know is that back before they both emerged I was thinking Carter would be the amazing 1C goal scoring machine while Richards would be a gritty leadership-material solid two-way player without becoming the top line center that Carter could be.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 27, 2011 6:45 AM EDT reply actions
All I know is that back before they both emerged I was thinking Carter would be the amazing 1C goal scoring machine while Richards would be a gritty leadership-material solid two-way player without becoming the top line center that Carter could be.
That’s kinda what they ended up being, except Carter can also play wing and defense.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I was saying to my dad this weekend that I remember when they both drafted in ‘03, all of the buzz around these two young centers, and thinking at the time that someday we’d keep one but never both and wondering which one it would be. Crazy to think that they both stayed around so long, and then both left practically simultaneously.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Nice article, Geoff. I can’t, nor would I, find the link, but yesterday’s Inquirer had a lovely article written by Carchidi that takes some more jabs at Richards and, to a lesser extent, Carter and your article, while not covering anything I didn’t already believe, was a nice counterpoint.
I lurk on Twitter as @LusipherPE
haha, thanks. I don’t think I saw that Carchidi piece, nor do I want to.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
So the picture of the Isles draft pick wearing the Vote Yes t-shirt is unbelievably ridiculous. I wish someone would just take the team away Wang. The guy is absolutely clueless.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Agreed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The shot of Hamilton “loving” his Bruin sweater is nauseating in a different way also.
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 27, 2011 9:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
eh, let the kid have fun
do you poop on parties professionally, or do you just do it as a hobby?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to ruin his opening night.
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 27, 2011 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
having juicy prospects is a great consolation but I’m still in shock and am looking forward to Snider getting his either here or in the afterlife. I’ll try to go to the first preseason game but after that no f’ing way.
tell you what, while I’m sitting there giving Wayne Simmonds hugs and sipping brandy with Jake Voracek, you sit at home in your Kings jersey wondering what could’ve been
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just don’t let Couturier and Schenn anywhere near any semi-alcoholic beverage. Please. We know what happened to the last two exciting center prospects that came through together in the Flyers system.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 27, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Delilah’s it is
do you poop on parties professionally, or do you just do it as a hobby?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
$10 for crappy beer? AND a cover charge??? I think not – unless Schenn’s buying :)
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
So when does Simmonds file for a restraining order?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
whatever keeps him away from the bars, that’s my motto
do you poop on parties professionally, or do you just do it as a hobby?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Truth
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
and befriending social networks elites like Joffrey lupul
do you poop on parties professionally, or do you just do it as a hobby?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
You order your Simmonds jersey yet?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
flea market special
but this time around I actually have a job and the cash, so we’ll see if I bend over for nhl.com
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I am never buying another jersey again…I have bought three Flyers jerseys in my life. Forsberg, Richie and Giroux.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
legit ones?
Pitkanen, Roenick
sold by questionable eastern Europeans in south jersey:
JVR, Clarkie, Pronger
Official ones I’m looking at getting?
JVR, Simmonds
do you poop on parties professionally, or do you just do it as a hobby?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Or, should I wait until JVR makes team USA in the next Winter Olympics?
do you poop on parties professionally, or do you just do it as a hobby?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
that’s gonna be the best money I’ve ever spent
do you poop on parties professionally, or do you just do it as a hobby?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably. I am trying to buy a German National away kit online without having to selling my kidney…so far no luck.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
http://www.shopusahockey.com/store/p/384-Miracle-on-Ice-1980-Replica-Home-Personalized-Jersey.html
I’ll see what I can do about the german national team
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I was actually referring to soccer. But this is helpful as well.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
oh, bc I found the German Nation hockey site. I don’t mess with the soccer
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
http://deb.mpcf.de/deb_fanshop/deb-a-team-fan-trikot-schwarz.html
it looks pretty boss, not gonna lie
do you poop on parties professionally, or do you just do it as a hobby?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It is pretty tight.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
did the whole conversion and its about 113, american. You can go to a good seamstress and him or her will do a good job if you want letters. I’d just imagine u’d need the right font
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you considering asking Kat for help with that? I mean I realize she’s only in a neighboring country (and at the opposite end from the german border), but she might be able to give you a link or two.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I hadn’t seen anything about the keyboard inside the neck, thats pretty awesome.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
Like lingerie. :)
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
From the last link
If each team scored an equal number of goals, each team was awarded one point and a random number generator was used to determine which of the two teams received the additional point.
Sounds about right.
So will we see anymore moves by the Flyers or are they pretty much all done?
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
They still have to sign their RFA’s and at least one UFA, so that’ll be interesting to follow over the next couple weeks.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d imagine they’re done. I few more free agents here and there
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
So who are the RFA’s? Leino, Nodl and Powe?
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Jun 27, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Voracek, Simmonds
Leino is UFA
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I see. I didn’t realize the new guys were RFA’s.
What kind of coin do you think they will fetch?
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Jun 27, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
RFA: Voracek, Simmonds, Nodl, Powe, Carcillo, Kalinski, Legein
UFA: Zherdev, Leino, O`Donnell, Boynton, Boucher, Syvret
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So are you going to offer to pay Legein’s salary just so you can keep creeping him on Twitter?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
He got rid of his twitter after some controversial tweet.
It makes me really sad.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Good ole lil Stevie reared his ugly “head”.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
@boknows71
This is true.
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I suspect of this group, only Voracek, Simmonds and now Nodl (thanks for the tweet) will be signed.
Of the ones not signed, the one my head regrets is Powe (cheap defensive talent), the one my heart regrets is Boosh.
DSOD. won’t be signed because of the 50 contract limit.
In preparation for NHL free agency, thinking of changing my screen name to Bhudde in 10OC.
I think Nodl/Powe is a coin flip, and knowing Homer, he’ll probably sign both and put one in the press box.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Re: washington post writer
You break up too many rivalries. Rangers/Flyers is huge. Actually any NY team vs PA team is huge. Also Detroit rivalries go down the drain with your idea too…. Are you a hockey fan at all???
Hockey, beer, and tasty food items? Yes please.
i dont know if he can defend himself here
do you poop on parties professionally, or do you just do it as a hobby?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Well then he needs to make it possible for mobile users to make comments on his page without joining some third party comments blogging permission page first. ;-)
Hockey, beer, and tasty food items? Yes please.
by ghettorigged on Jun 27, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Re: Hockey Prospectus on Simmonds
The article on Simmonds that HP piece references was a kind of a sloppy take on him, IMO. For one, he cites Corsi Rel QoC, yet puts up the wrong stat. In reality, Simmonds’ Corsi Rel QoC was highest of all forwards who played more than 20 games for the Kings last season.
He also doesn’t consider quality of teammates as a factor—there was a definite bump up in ‘09-’10 and a decline in ‘10-11. Our top 6 was healthier and he had fewer opportunities to jump up there, and not much to work with in Handzus, Poni having a 15 (yes, 15) point year, and Clifford (a 19 year old rookie who’s still pretty raw). There were times when it seemed he lost his characteristic hustle, but he still did OK given the circumstances. When he got to play with Lewis or Richardson, who are speedier centers, he looked a lot better.
Basically, I’d put his down season in a broader context. His goal totals were about the same, and he had to do it in a challenging spot at even strength.
I was in the middle of writing a short post on the whole thing when the big trade day happened. I could try to finish it up when my brain recovers, and I can once again form coherent thoughts. But that’s the gist of it.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
For one, he cites Corsi Rel QoC, yet puts up the wrong stat.
This is probably Gabe’s fault — if you download the spreadsheet instead of pulling it dynamically off the web, the columns are mislabeled. I’ve brought it to his attention and he didn’t seem to care much.
However, I agree with you that the article is a bit sloppy. For example, using three-year GVT averages to assess the players is going to make the 21-year olds look a lot worse than the 25-year-olds — he says he doesn’t expect much improvement from Simmonds next year, but by using the three-year average, he’s throwing out much of the improvement Simmonds has already made.
He doesn’t care? Sheesh. My opinion of him has lowered even further.
Simmonds made the team at 19/20, a lot of guys still haven’t broken in, and the Kings have never sheltered him or done him any favors. You would think he would consider all the advanced stats he has available as well as the broader context. It’s frustrating.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Oh, wait, I think I have misunderstood. I thought you meant you brought the error to Popliak’s attention. Maybe you mean you talked about the mislabeled columns to Gabe.
Ugh, it’s early. And my brain is still broken.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
I don’t know why everyone is bitching about the Carter and Richie trades. All you single dudes were just given a second chance with the co-eds.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
assuming that they had a chance in the first place?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
There are still times during the day that I literally sit and mourn in bewilderment.
And I’ve only been a fan a year and a half. I can’t imagine what some of you are going through.
Is it preseason yet?
I'm a year old hockey fan. :-D Best year ever!!
I think I’m still in denial about the whole thing. It may not truly hit me until I see this team take the ice without Richards.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Snap out of it. There’s an exciting season of Flyers’ hockey coming up! There’s been more heartbreaking moves in Philly before than this.
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 27, 2011 9:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gagne.
To a much lesser extent Sharp and Umberger.
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Those aren’t even close to this. Like, not even a little bit.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
As heartbreakers I would say they were.
In magnitude and general restructuring, definitely not.
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair. Gagne was certainly a tough pill to swallow, but there were much more palatable mitigating circumstances regarding his departure. Richards was the 26 year-old captain and face of the franchise.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
At least with Gagne I think we all saw that one coming, despite not wanting to.
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
For me Brind’Amour was worse. If you include other sports, Reggie White, Wilt Chamberlain, Charles Barkley…
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I include Reggie because I feel that outright releasing the most dominant defensive player in the league is even worse than trading him. Unforgivable. I hope Braman suffers eternal, incurable diarrhea. Perpetual squirts…
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My mother started watching the Sixers instead when they traded Brind’Amour – that’s how angry she was.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
do you think someone will actually bid on it?
Mike Richards was the first hockey player I knew of. After Gretzky. :(
Yes. 19 people so far.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Why anyone would pay good money to see someone else burning Flyer’s memorabilia is beyond me.
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I know right, they could just mail it to Vancouver and see people do it for free.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
you wanna fuck with that guy selling his fan loyalty?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m intrigued.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
make him burn his Carter/Richards/whatever jersey, and make him buy a Flyers Simmonds/Schenn/Voracek jersey.
He never said the Flyers were one of the teams that couldn’t be used
do you poop on parties professionally, or do you just do it as a hobby?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha. That is brilliant. I’d chip in a few bucks for that.
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
But then I still have to pay the asshole, if I’m going to throw money away I might as well use it on myself, which I generally have no problem doing.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I hope someone makes him a Blues or Islanders fan. We don’t need that kind of piece of shit. Adios dickhead!
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 27, 2011 9:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, but maybe he cries when he realizes that love it or hate it, he’s a Flyers fan for life. His soul has been stained and it can never go unclean
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
True…although it might be more fun to make him buy an Atlanta Thrashers jersey. Maybe Heatley.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
i just hope he doesn’t have a fast car
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
A Leafs fan did that last year.
Ended up cheering for the Stars.
Douchebag.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 27, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Could someone please kindly tell that person to fuck off?
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realignment
Only one team: Detroit, Columbus or Nashville could possibly realign in the east. the numbers don’t work out. nashville is south so makes sense to develop rivalries there…
East 1
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
New Jersey
Buffalo
NY Islanders
NY Rangers
Toronto
Boston
East 2
Washington
Carolina
Tamps Bay
Montreal
Florida
Nashville
Ottawa
Central
St. Louis
Dallas
Minnesota
Columbus
Winnipeg
Detroit
Chicago
West
San Jose
LA
Colorado
Anaheim
Phoenix
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
I hate this if they stick with the top four teams from each division making the playoffs. East 2 is so lame.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that your proposed realignment or for somewhere because that sucks? Breaking up MTL Toronto and BOS is not good. I think New Jersey or the Islanders will get moved about from away from the Rangers whom overshadow both those teams. Also Columbus will be in division with Pittsburgh to play on the OHIO St. Pitt Penn State college rivalry.
yeah – this is all up for debate, post your own divisions you think will work… the south teams screw everything up. but i agree with you, toronto and boston should be together… i tried fitting the original 6 in one division… but it doesnt work. for columbus and pitt to play in the same D, nashville will have to move central… it’s all speculation.
by fitzy first on Jun 27, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Being a New Englander, seperating Boston and Montreal is about the most idiotic thing I have ever heard.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
Then you break up Toronto/Buffalo… and really, other than each other who really cares about even making fun of those teams?
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
As a Toronto fan, I couldn’t give a shit if you seperated Buffalo/Toronto. There is no rivalry there.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 27, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
this better?
East 1
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
New Jersey
NY Rangers
Florida
Washington
Carolina
Tamps Bay
East 2
NY Islanders
Buffalo
Nashville
Toronto
Boston
Ottawa
Montreal
Central
St. Louis
Dallas
Minnesota
Columbus
Winnipeg
Detroit
Chicago
West
San Jose
LA
Colorado
Anaheim
Phoenix
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
by fitzy first on Jun 27, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha no now East 1 is even more top-heavy.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
place either wash or pitt in east 2 then…
i always thought the two ny teams should place in separate divisions like the giants and jets – only both FB teams play in the same stadium
last one
East 1
Philadelphia
Nashville
New Jersey
NY Rangers
Florida
Washington
Carolina
Tamps Bay
East 2
Pittsburgh
NY Islanders
Buffalo
Toronto
Boston
Ottawa
Montreal
Central
St. Louis
Dallas
Minnesota
Columbus
Winnipeg
Detroit
Chicago
West
San Jose
LA
Colorado
Anaheim
Phoenix
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
I just hate this set-up in general. This one seems to be the most even though.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to be like this, but you had three chances to spell “Tampa Bay” correctly and failed each time.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
but...
how about three major conferences instead of 4 divisions
East:
Philadelphia
NY Rangers
NY Islanders
New Jersey
Boston
Washington
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Florida
Ottawa
Montreal
Central:
Toronto
Buffalo
Pittsburgh
Columbus
Detroit
Winnipeg
Chicago
St. Louis
Dallas
Minnesota
Nashville
West:
San Jose
LA
Colorado
Anaheim
Phoenix
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
switch boston and nashville though...
East:
Philadelphia
NY Rangers
NY Islanders
New Jersey
Nashville
Washington
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Florida
Ottawa
Montreal
Central:
Toronto
Buffalo
Pittsburgh
Columbus
Detroit
Winnipeg
Chicago
St. Louis
Dallas
Minnesota
Boston
West:
San Jose
LA
Colorado
Anaheim
Phoenix
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
I always thought that was the main Rivalry out that way… who does Toronto hate? Ottawa? Montreal? Everyone?
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
Its not a rivalry because Toronto and Buffalo been rarely good simultaneously.
However, Buffalo needs as many home games against Toronto as possible because they quadruple ticket prices for those games.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
Which still makes them only half as much as Toronto home game tickets?
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
Team Richards or Team Pronger
that is the question, and potential for a delicious attempt of a parody of Twilight
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
Silver lighting for Carter, at least he won’t have to be labeled a “playoff bust” in Columbus.
Samesis
they have silver lightning?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
From the Flyers twitter
Some new #Flyers jersey numbers: Jakub Voracek will wear #9
Does this mean that he’s signed?
Samesis
Kris Versteeg has changed his jersey to #32 and Brayden Schenn will wear #10
Wayne Simmonds will wear #17
Samesis
What will Brzy wear I am really hoping he goes with the 31 and conjurers the powers of Lindbergh. Goalies are cursed in Philly until that number is retired or worn again in his honor.
Don’t you mean:
Iz amz endingz everythingz inz az zz whenz talkingz aboutz Bryzz.
Shit you’ll sound like a LOLcat then.
Am I sensing the development of a LOLBryz meme? I think maybe…
Bob.
by The Dark on Jun 27, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is there a place at the Wells Fargo Center where I can have my Carter jersey changed? into a Simmonds jersey?
by The Mad Hopper on Jun 27, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
Elisha Cuthbert or Alyssa Milano
I win
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Phaneuf will be pissed. They own a home together.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 27, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I got $5 bucks on Lindsay Lohan.
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 27, 2011 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
She doesn’t cost that much.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Might be harder to pick what sorority @ OSU is the first to post pics of Shirtless Jeff.
I got my $ on Tri-Delt.
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@boknows71
Neigh
Sig Kap
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If he goes anywhere near Zooey Deschanel, I’ll kill him.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
She’s married, I thought.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Yea, to the singer of Death Cab for Cutie.
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to bust your fantasy, hintzy. LOL.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Oh, not at all. My wife has her eye on Matt Damon, and mine is on Zooey. This is well known and accepted between the two of us. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
hell – I’d take her sister instead. Ever watch ‘Bones’? Like Zooey, but without the nasal voice and bigger chestmeat.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Zooey more, but that’s just me. I think she’s cuter and she seems quirky. I like quirky.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
As do I – in fact, if Emily Deschanel was like her character in the show, I’d like her even more. (I dated someone in college very much like that, and it was my best relationship ever. Don’t tell my wife that, though.)
The voice, though – urg.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, I found youtube videos of speaking and singing, just to be sure, and I don’t object to it at all. [shrugs] Who knows. I wasn’t a fan of the blonde hair in Elf though…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
She WAS the only reason to watch Hitchhiker’s Guide (unfortunately). I guess I just prefer her sister’s slightly gruffer, more purring voice … mmmm.
Not that I’d kick Zooey outta bed for eating crackers either, ya know.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Now THAT is a bandwagon I’d get on. :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
How long before we see $ figures?
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I honestly think this is the biggest question going into next season.
To me, so much of everything else relies on this, and whether they resign Leino.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I really, really hope we don’t sign Leino. I hope he wants the $4 mill so badly that a team that needs to get to the floor will give him buckets of cash that he can’t refuse.
Samesis
I think Nodl returning means there’s a pretty good chance the Flyers are going to have Schenn centering the third line, which scares the hell out of me.
The only other probability I can see is that Nodl will be the 13th forward.
4th line?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Last year there were a good number of games where Nodl was scratched and Powe was on the 4th line. And Powe is cheaper. So I’d be surprised if they’d resign Nodl for that.
Im fine with Schenn centering the 3rd line wit Simmonds and (insert other defensive forward here) for a year, out D and our goalie are still really good. I just don’t want Schenn used like Richards, where his offensive production suffered because of his crappy linemates and role.
Samesis
It seems like your second sentence contradicts your first.
You’re fine with Schenn being on the shutdown line with guys like Nodl and Simmonds, but you don’t want him to be used like Richards on the shutdown line with guys like Nodl and Versteeg?
I’m fine for it this yaer, i just don’t want the team to use him like that his whole career.
Samesis
Ah, gotcha.
It’s the exact opposite for me — I think it’s a huge ask of a skinny little 20-year-old and I suspect it would hurt the team this year and maybe even his development going forwards, but I expect that will be his role in two or three years.
Which is why we all hope we get a Belanger type to do it. I’d much rather force Schenn to play a little wing for a couple seasons. Though worst case, if we do have Schenn in that third line energy/defensive role, I’m sure G’s line will take some of the defensive burden off.. which is probably a negative for their offensive game, but if we’re just throwing energy lines at people hopefully it’ll work out.
A shutdown center? I think that’s Couturier’s role in a few years. Schenn gets to take over Briere’s role except he’ll actually be responsible defensively.
and 50% less illegal stick infractions?
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@boknows71
That would still be too many.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Briere still has like 4 more years with the team. Most likely, one of the 4 centers will play wing for a bit. Most likely Danny.
Samesis
Yeah I’ve kind of expected that in a few years we can move Danny to wing to make room for a G / Schenn / Couturier top 3 centers.
especially since Briere will be a lot older then the other 3, his body might not be able to handle center. Or, hopefully (and I mean hopefully in a respectful way too), Briere retires in say 3 years.
Samesis
Schenn’s not skinny, but he should be given some slack. He could be Mike Richards down the road, but he’s not Richards yet. Heck, Richards himself took some time.
Why would he be given tougher assignments than Briere and Giroux? It seems like they should lean on more experienced centers.
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Well, none of us here want Briere to be given defensive assignments. We want him sheltered. Just look at how the Krejci line abused the Briere line in the playoffs. We don’t want Briere forced into defensive accountability.
That makes sense, but I don’t know why Giroux should continue to be sheltered as well. LA would not have matched Schenn up against Crosby or something. To me it doesn’t really seem fair.
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Basically I think what most of us want to see is something like:
JVR/Giroux/Schenn
Hartnell/Briere/Voracek
Simmonds/UFA/Versteeg
Shelley/Betts/Nodl
or something along those lines, making sure that our third line gets to be a shutdown/annoying line to play against while not forcing one of our top offensive players into those duties.
I would switch Schenn and Versteeg, personally — not that I know anything about Schenn directly, but what I read suggests he’s much more of a two-way player than you’re implying, and while I don’t want him centering a shutdown line yet, I want him on that line.
Yeah, Couturier might displace him from that role in five years. But let’s have Schenn learn the skills just in case this is the rare occasion of a player not developing exactly the way you hoped he would.
Either way, I’m surprised Nodl got resigned. I wonder if Powe is gone now.
I don’t think Nodl can replace Powe on the 4th line. Who else is gonna hit people? Betts? No. Shelley? can fight, but can’t hit. Nodl? Not really. Unless they use Holmstrom to replace Powe.
Samesis
Yeah, there’s always some variance — is Richards 5’11" or 6 foot? But they are listed as similar in height and weight.
Schenn is also working out with Gary Roberts this summer, so he’ll have a lot of lean muscle. But as a shutdown center — this young — well, I would not do that. His defensive game at the NHL level is still a work in progress. Of course, like I said above, I think he can get there in time.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Briere is terrible defensively and shouldn’t be given tough assignments. There’s an argument for not wanting to limit Giroux’s offensive ability but I don’t see how that wouldn’t apply to Schenn at this point as well. I’d like to see the Flyers sign a third center, personally.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
“Skinny little 20 year old” is a line I’ve used a lot. I know he’s not actually skinny, but he’s not fully developed yet. Basically, a smidge of hyperbole to emphasize how risky (for the team and for him) it would be to have him center the shutdown line.
Haha, got it.
Since the trade, I’ve noticed I’m taking everyone and everything absolutely literally. I should add that to my sig line just to warn people.
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Am I the only one that wants G to take Richards assignments this year?
Briere, obviously needs sheltering, I think Schenn needs to make it out of camp for the trade to be considered an immediate success. And G can do the heavy lifting, we all know that.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Vorackek/Schenn/JVR 2nd
and Simmonds/Giroux/Versteeg 3rd.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I think you’re one of the few people, yeah. We all know G probably could play a shutdown role. But do you want to limit his offensive magic? He’s a magician, man! I know he’d still get PP opportunities, but we want him driving the play, not getting tired shutting down top players.
Maybe its my lack of faith in Bryz actually being able to cover up our “heavy lifters” mistakes…
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I’m actually exciting about Bryz. At least I’ve convinced myself that I am.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want “shutdown” line I want two way lines that can still generate scoring chances against tough opposition, the best defense is offensive puck possession. Then late in games you through out some D specialists like closer to finish out the last minute of the game. The term shutdown implies stoping the opposition for scoring was priority 1 over generating scoring chances and offense yourself.
So trade Briere, Leino, and Hartnell, since none of them can play defense?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
One sheltered line is okay I don’t think Schenn Versteeg and Vorachek would need to be sheltered they might be be shutdown by the shouldn’t be a total ass fuck of a liability.
Voracek was sheltered each of the last three years in Columbus.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
in my ideal world Vorachek would be replacing Leino. Who else did Vorachek play with maybe that was not on him or maybe they were using Vorachek that way to maximize his offense potential not because he can’t defend.
Brassard, Nash, and Umberger mainly.
And whether or not he can defend, he was sheltered. Heavily.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that having puck possession in the offensive zone is the best way to prevent the opponents from scoring.
But sometimes you have to take defensive faceoffs, and sometimes the opponent puts out their top line for that faceoff, and sometimes they win that faceoff.
The line that you want on the ice in that situation, that’s the line that I’m calling the shutdown line. Whether they happen to have offensive prowess or not, they’re the ones being asked to shut down the top players on the other team in the toughest situations.
Do you want Schenn centering that line next year?
I want a 4th line Center who I put on to take those draws I would use Betts like that or upgrade Betts to someone more capable.
Similar to how Leino was removed a lot when Danny’s line had a d-zone face in favor of a second center in case one got booted out.
So your plan is to have Betts play 13-15 minutes a night then? His regular 4th line minutes plus the defensive zone draws for the third line?
Nope but is asking for Malhotra numbers out of him so bad. Malhotra only played 11 per game. And it wouldn’t be every 3rd line Dzone draw it all depends who we are playing and who the opposition sends out to take said draw etc..
That 9 ES minutes doesn’t equate to Mr. Shutdown Malhotra being used to every shift against the number 1s Crosby types who play 16 ES minutes per game.
Malhotra: 25% OZ%, 1.68 GAON/60, 0.615 Corsi RelQoC
Uh, yeah. Good luck getting Powe to get Malhotra numbers. Dude basically played 4-on-5 for 12.37 TOI/60 per game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope but is asking for Malhotra numbers out of him so bad. Malhotra only played 11 per game.
Malhotra played 18:01 per game in ‘08-09, 15:37 per game in ’09-10, and 16:10 per game in ’10-11. And he’s a much better defensive forward than Betts, IMO.
Maybe you meant just even strength minutes? Malhotra averaged over 12:30 ES minutes per game over that stretch, including over 12:30 this year. That’s way closer to Richards (13:15) than to Betts (6:30).
No, I don’t want Betts getting the kind of minutes Richards used to get.
I looked at his playoff numbers stupid default settings. To compare things defensively Schenn > Sedin Twins for sure right. Betts < than Malhotra I think we can find a medium where you use Betts more than he was last year but < 13 minutes maybe up to 9 or so and see what Schenn can do. Under this premise though I would like Betts upgraded to someone Todd mentioned in his fanpost. Belanger or someone like that.
Thats the hard part. There are a bunch of guys I like in FA, but not many are centers. Joel Ward is listed as a center. I like players like Bergenhim and Laich, if we could get Nodl to play center(which I’m pretty sure he did before a little bit).
Samesis
So if you’re bringing in a UFA 3rd liner and letting Nodl go, you still have 10 guys who might get top-9 time:
1. Hartnell
2. Briere
3. Voracek
4. van Riemsdyk
5. Giroux
6. Versteeg
7. Simmonds
8. Nodl
9. UFA 3rd liner
10. Schenn
Are you putting Schenn in the AHL?
I think you need to put Schenn in the AHL…problem is, he is pretty much stuck there all year unless they move a semi big contract.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Yeah, that’s the problem. I doubt they keep a 3M hole in the NHL roster so that they can bring him up later, and if you use the cap money and send him down, when does he come up? Next year when JvR/Carle/Coburn hit FA and the money gets even tighter?
Yeah….amazing that they get a top flight prospect and it’s a question as to when and where he plugs into the linup.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Then there’s the whole Couturier issue, I guess we are all assuming he is going right into the AHL.
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Super
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Yeah, looking forward to seeing if he can sustain over 2 ppg in the WHL next year.
/only a little sarcastic
And if he can … oh wow.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for not calling me out for mixing up the WHL and QMJHL. I’m so not an expert on teenage hockey in foreign countries.
No prob. And it was really only a 1.66 ppg in the Q … which I assume was pretty much what Shelley averaged. Meh.
/eschewing the sarcasm font still
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s Monday, man. ’Nuff said.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to be 20. DG would have the specifics, there’s different rules in place for different junior leagues, but I think most people need to be 20.
So they can play in the NHL at 18/19 but not in the AHL?
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Right I was talking about Couturier, not Schenn, Schenn will definitely be eligible for the AHL.
He played 7 games there and 5 playoff games last season, I’m pretty sure there’s a stipulation that junior players can come to the AHL as long as they are signed to a contract when their junior season is over, even if they are under 20 (a la Richards and Carter for that Calder run).
I’m not sure the reasoning behind it, could partially be to keep space for jobs for people in their late 20’s-early 30’s that are fringe NHL players, forcing teams to develop U-20 players in juniors.
I heard the reasoning behind it is to keep the Major/Junior, minor leagues competitive.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
It is.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s really not. If the AHL teams took all the top 18 and 19 year old players, there would be no Juniors since there would only be fringe 5th round picks in those leagues and 16 year olds.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I changed it from “is” dumb to “seems” dumb when I was typing. Figured I’d get an explanation.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s still not always best for every player’s development, though. In Schenn’s case, he was ready for the AHL, and too good for juniors.
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Absolutely. But there’s not many people who are too good for juniors, but not good enough for the NHL.
It helps more than it hurts.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
But only they get special privilege. It’s easier to take when it doesn’t hurt!
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Plus, there are teams who bring players into the NHL who would still probably benefit from another option. Right now, for that select bunch of players, they are burning up a valuable entry level year of a contract when the AHL could still have been perfectly fine for their progress.
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I thought of this…and I don’t know if I even like…
Line 1
Hartnell, Schenn, Briere
Line 2
JVR, G, Vorack
Line 3
Steeg, Nodl, Simmonds
Line 4
Powe, Betts, Shelley
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Problem is, line 3 has no center.
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I don’t like it. G and Voracek are both predominantly ‘set-up’ guys, so unless you’re projecting 40+ goals for JVR, you’re wasting that talent set.
Nodl was a center in Europe, wasn’t he? But I still think he would benefit from a stronger center on a line with him – he doesn’t have the good breakout pass that you want your shutdown center to have mastered. I think Voracek fills Leino’s role on Briere’s line, Steeg is a decent two-way scoring threat with G, Schenn is in the AHL, and a FA center fits the third line. Conversely, if you can’t land that FA center, I’d rather see Betts promoted to the third and Powe centering the fourth.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Laich is my vote. He can play center and do a fine job of it.
by blackandorange on Jun 27, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Every time I see one of these Twitter posts I cringe thinking that we just traded another high level player away. :(
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
by LegionofDoom on Jun 27, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Odd thing – Sestito is in Florida today. Either really simple negotiations, or already lined up and just needed to be signed.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jun 27, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They signed awhile ago. Sestito announced it on twitter.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that we signed Sestito though, at least Rinaldo doesn’t have a free pass as the backup enforcer to Shelley.
Rinaldo – 5’11" 169lbs
Sestito – 6’5" 228 lbs.
Apples and oranges.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree. Rinaldo seemed to only fight when he would lay a big hit on someone and got jumped. He is not an enforcer, he’s a high energy checker, and pretty damn good at that. He is crazy, but if you can tone him done he plays a different role, and he plays it well.
And Sestito is around a half-point per game at the AHL level, while Rinaldo … isn’t. (9 points in 60 games last season).
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So this was just written on the Flyers facebook about Nodl signing
Leino only wants 4-5 mil and you say trade him when we just payed an unproven Goalie for 50 mil. Your re*****d.
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Welcome to their nightmare
Dispatch: Multiple sources indicate a #CBJ contingent is traveling to meet with Jeff Carter. Includes GM Scott Howson and likely others.
Samesis
Touche, but are they really going to have to convince him to go? Is he holding out for a trade or something, or is he just depressed?
by OrangeNblacK on Jun 27, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that the trade is official can he somehow get it overturned if he refused to go there or will CBJ have to try and move them himself?
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Overturned, no. His NTC didn’t come into effect yet. He could refuse to play there, which would really, REALLY suck ass for the Jackets, seeing as they couldn’t get a whole lot in return for him. Not nearly as much as they payed.
Samesis
I didn’t think it could get overturned unless there was some NHL rule that allows for that.
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I think its kinda late for that. We used the pick, and apparently, there is a press conference tomorrow with the 3 guys we got through the trades(which possibly means that they will be signed before then).
Samesis
The NHL cant overturn a trade that 2 teams agree to. Maybe if it was like if Pittsburgh traded Crosby to the whoevers for a 3rd rounder they could say there was some collusion or something, but as far as I know—-this trade is done. Either way, Carter wouldn’t want to play here without Richards and vice virsa.
What time is that press conference? I cant wait to hear from these guys. Especially the Kings guys.
by OrangeNblacK on Jun 27, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting observation: if the Blue Jackets now trade Carter to the Flyers for Couturier and Voracek and a third rounder, the Flyers are back where they started…except Carter doesn’t have the security of the no-trade clause in his contract, since it disappeared when he got traded.
I think I’d rather have Couturier, Voracek and the 3rd rounder.
But that’s me.
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chyea
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Vorachek ($2.750m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.850m) / Darroll Powe ($0.900m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.500m)
Tom Sestito ($0.700m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / / Ian Laperriere ($1.166m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Kevin Marshall ($0.845m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,718,928; BONUSES: $3,952,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,581,072
Thoughts? I was pondering switching Powe and Betts as well.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 27, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions
The only real issue I have here is Schenn on the 4th line. Way to good, way to expensive to get 4th line minutes.
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There’s seems to be a bit of a debate on whether or not there’s even room on the roster available for him and his salary. This way he’s here and getting work and able to work himself up the lineup, but not put in the “shutdown” role yet.
Well, just a thought.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
There is room for him on the roster depending on if they resign Leino, and maybe even if they do.The issue is that if they put him in the AHL he pretty much has to stay there unless they start the season with 3 mil in cap space, which we know they won’t and or are incapable of doing.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I’ve been pushing this line of thinking, so I guess I should be clear that it’s not quite that dire.
They don’t have to start the season with 3M in cap space, because when they call Schenn up, they presumably send someone to the AHL and clear a little room there. Plus they will have banked some room by being under the cap in the earlier part of the season. If they enter the season with ~1M in cap space despite Lappy being on regular IR instead of LTIR, it’s probably fine.
But like you say, I doubt that will happen. Most of the people who say Schenn will be in the AHL are saying it because they want to spend his money on FAs, which means there’s no space for him later unless they send those FAs to the AHL.
Plus, if a portion of his bonuses are based on games played it could lighten the hit when he’s called up. I’m not sure exactly how that works though.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Are the available FA 3rd line centers really that much an improvement over what we have in house? I feel like Betts and Powe are pretty strong on defense, and hopefully Betts will be a bit better on the faceoffs next season.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 27, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think most people perceive them as being good 4th liners but subpar 3rd liners. The kind of guys you want on the ice for seven minutes of defensive draws against the opponent’s 3rd and 4th line, not the kind of guys you want on the ice for fifteen minutes of defensive draws against the opponent’s top line.
I think Powe could play that role admirably. Maybe it’s just me, but I really like his tenacity. Also, I remember in a scrum with Crosby yelling “What the f—- are you going to do?” He’ll always have a warm place in my heart for that.
And speaking of Crosby, if he’s 100% I have the fear that Pittsburgh is going to steamroll us next season. Malkin doesn’t really worry me as much, as he won’t look like himself until nearly the end of the season, but Crosby? Yikes. We’re going to miss 18 & 17 then.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jun 27, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, but you see – Powe is expendable now. Petr Placek is playing for Harvard next season, so the team will have their Ivy League person to help Holmgren with understanding the CBA.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m certain if they’d actually asked Powe such questions while he was here, Homer wouldn’t have gotten himself into some of the messes. So I doubt they’ll ask Placek either.
(BTW, I should apologize now for the inevitable day that I mess up his name; despite one ending in ‘c’ and one ending in ‘k’ my brain occasionally wants to short circuit and mix up Petr Placek and Dan Plesac)
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It could be worse. If Placek played in goal you’d be thinking about “saves.”
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Hahaha, I’m just hoping some of the young ones around me actually know who that is. The Phils weren’t all that good at the time
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t worry DG – no one is taking your CBA primacy anytime soon :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Posted this on Thursday, but it got lost in the news
For those arguing that the Flyers haven’t had good goaltending in decades, guess who they are:
Goalie A: 92.1 ESS%, 91.2 total Sv%
Goalie B: 92.1 ESS%, 91.1 total Sv%
Goalie C: 92.2 ESS%, 91.0 total Sv%
Goalie D: 92.3 ESS%, 91.3 total Sv%
All four are still active, one was once a Flyer, one was almost a Flyer, and two were rumored to be Flyers within the last calendar year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
Career.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Negotiated with, didn’t sign.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Nabokov and Turco are the two names that come to mind to fit that criteria. Since btowl1818’s list was 0 for 4, that eliminates Nabokov, so I’d put Turco in that spot. But I have no idea which of the 4 it is. But I think that’s the point…
(It’s REALLY sad that I saw the answers earlier this morning and already forgot them.)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
haha, yup. Turco is Goalie C
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
0 for 4
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
1 for 4, not in correct order.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Biron, Turco, Storr, Price?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
2 for 4, out of order.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
2 for 4, correctly getting Biron is Goalie B and Turco is Goalie C
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you already told us B and C, so random guesses are A = Quick and D = Giguere?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick is correct, Giguere is incorrect.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Winner.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 28, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I was kicking myself for forgetting Kipper when I skimmed through the list of active goalies, given our love for Finns.
We need a Latvian goalie.
Bob.
Edgars Masalskis played okay in the Olympics…. and his rights don’t appear to have ever been owned by an NHL team. /s
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 28, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I was kicking myself when he was raised as a possible trade acquisition.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 29, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick, Biron, Turco, Niemi.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what I can picture Richie and Carter doing right now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVr2eOBmo_U
Samesis
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / Eric Belanger ($2.000m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Tom Sestito ($0.650m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Andreas Nodl ($1.000m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,056,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,243,572
if Sestito is up, no need for Shelley
that’s how I understand it, anyway
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You still want a 13th forward, though
Bob.
by The Dark on Jun 27, 2011 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Holmstrom
nothing to see here
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
By Leino hello Cole depending on bonuses availability JVR has 850K that might be gone who knows with Schenn.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Jakub Voracek ($2.500m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.950m) / Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / Erik Cole ($4.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
/ Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m) / Michael Leighton ($1.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,906,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$1,606,428
So you have Lappy on LTIR and you’re 1.6M over the LTIR exception and don’t have a 13th forward yet?
This seems…iffy.
Is Leighton going to be the 13th Skater? Because i’m pretty sure he would be a lot better for the flyers in that role instead of anything anywhere near being a goalie.
by KornontheKobb on Jun 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I got Leighton in there a 1.55 fuck bench him get my 13th forward as Powe and were are slight 1 over depending on what is costs to sign Cole-Vorachek-Simmonds.
If leighton’s cap hit was less than Shelley’s I would totally love to see Leighton be our big fighting enforcer that sees 2 minutes a game.
by KornontheKobb on Jun 27, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If they just give up on Shelley things are so easy.
FORWARDS
JVR ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.500m)
Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / Eric Belanger ($1.000m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Andreas Nodl ($1.000m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.800m)
Tom Sestito ($0.650m) / / Ian Laperriere ($1.166m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,923,095; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,376,905
What can't Giroux do?
ESPN Insider
The Tampa Bay Lightning are not expected to re-sign forward Simon Gagne, according to Erik Erlendsson of the Tampa Tribune.
Poised to become an unrestricted free agent on Friday, there will be substantial interest in the 31-year-old winger. The Philadelphia Flyers, for instance, could be interested in bringing Gagne back into their fold.
Paid $5.25 million last season, Gagne is expected to command a $3 million to $3.5 million annual salary, moving forward.
Too much IMO, and we should focus on getting a center first. It really depends on what happens with Leino.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
no thanks. 3 to 3.5 million for potential head issues?
now 2 million…then we got ourselves a stew goin!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 for the Arrested Development reference.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If he signs him for 2mil I’m sure the Flyers would give him a discount on select menu items.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The 50 contract limit
What I don’t see anyone discussing is the impact of the Carter and Richards trades on the 50 contract limit. The Flyers got way more players out of this deal. And fyi, none of the rosters I see have Read on them, and as I understand it, he’s on a one-way. Would Homer waive someone he just signed? I also think this might mean Couturier goes back to juniors….and is that a good idea?
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It’s a one-way contract. But he doesn’t appear on the team roster on capgeek (only as a signee),. I’m not sure how the age/ELC rules apply on this kind of contract.
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I feel like people that you sign that haven’t been on the NHL team during the season can be assigned to the AHL, but I don’t know the rules as far as his age and stuff.
It’s more complicated than that. Way more. I’m just not as famiiliar with all of the rules (I tried to be, but that’s a long unpleasant story. :-(( ). FYI, I just double-checked, and Read is NOT on an “EL” contract. That complicates things even more.
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Read is waiver exempt for one year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, thanks. Sorry, Geoff.
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No problem. I thought he was waiver eligible until DG corrected me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s too old for the EL system. He’s comparable to the contract situation of Vancouver’s Aaron Volpatti, who signed out of college at the same age and was waiver exempt this past season. I’ve got y’all covered on the waiver stuff, I’m just still catching up from being sick for 10 days. I’m trying to catch up, I swear.
I hope there aren’t old DG summons in those threads I haven’t gotten to yet….
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I brought it up on BSH radio.
It definitely seems like a problem, but we can’t wrap our heads around it until we see how many UFAs come back. Sestito and Nodl signing makes it seem like it’s getting pretty tight, but maybe it’s easy to dump the 46th contract in a trade for nothing if needed.
Yeah, I don’t think it will affect how the Flyers go about finalizing their roster. There are definitely expendable contracts in there.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The key question for me is whether a two-way AHL contract can be simply immediately waived. If so, someone goes, too bad for them. If not, it gets complicated.
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If it starts getting complicated maybe Holmgren will waive Shelley in lieu of crunching the numbers. Fingers crossed
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re technically at 40, not including Sestito, Nodl, Voracek, or Simmonds. So that’s 44. Backlund, Read, Walker, and Leighton are all on one-way contracts; by all accounts Shelley and Carcillo are expendable. Even not counting those six, you can fill out the NHL roster without much worry. You only need a couple in your pocket for eventualities, really – assuming you have depth in your AHL team to draw from (as they do now) and cap space to do it in (and Lappy goes to LTIR on day 2, so there’s $1.1m).
Right?
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This is where I need clarification. If you are on a one-way contract, does that mean you are either in the NHL or the AHL but forced to be waived if you go the other way. OR does it mean that it is assumed you are in the NHL and have to be waived to be sent down.
I used to know this, but I forget.
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One way contract simply means you get paid the same amount whether you are in the NHL or AHL.
The waiver rules are completely separate from it, though the re-entry waiver rules aren’t. haha.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The waiver rules are completely separate from it, though the re-entry waiver rules aren’t. haha.
This.
For any of you who are new, last year I downloaded the CBA and I was surprised at how clear the language was. Then, I was put in my place pretty severely when I realized that while the language was clear in any one sentence, sentences and paragraphs could seemingly conflict with no clear resolution. Geoff is demonstrating this. :-((
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As one who writes specifications and contract language, I am fully aware of the pitfalls from such a thing. It amazes me when a technical and legal documnet actually makes sense nowadays.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Then, I was put in my place pretty severely when I realized that while the language was clear in any one sentence, sentences and paragraphs could seemingly conflict with no clear resolution.
/frowns
Sorry if we were mean about it….
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. I am good at self-flaggelation.
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Eklund just posted this on hockeybuzz
- The Flyers are in need of a true gritty leader/fourth line center who can kill penalties, win face-offs and help the young centers like Schenn and Couturier start off their NHL careers the right way. Enter John Madden. Two team Cup winner who has already played this role to perfection in Chicago, and was the unsung hero of last season’s Hawks Cup team. Covering the Finals I remember all the talk of Madden mentoring Bolland. I have heard today from two sources Madden is a possibility in Philly.
What’s everyone think about adding John Madden ?
asked about this a couple of days ago. Age seems to be the only issue
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Betts is not Madden even at this age. Madden would be replacing Betts or Powe depending I guess what happens. It wouldn’t be the Flyers if we did start the season with 5 or 6 centers.
I don’t know. I don’t think Madden is all that great and Betts is a perfectly capable 4th line center and valuable at his cap hit. I don’t really see it as an area of need.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya got some hockey guys skating this way here, and now this guy in the net- he’s the GOALTENDER. His job is to stop pucks… BOOM!
Eagles next starting QB: "East-West Shrine Game Legend" Mike Kafka
Flyers: Sigh
Phillies:Gah enough with the injuries!.
I would die happy if I got to see John Madden commentate hockey just once.
by KornontheKobb on Jun 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be hilarious.
Maybe as hilarious as Jack Edwards.
Eagles next starting QB: "East-West Shrine Game Legend" Mike Kafka
Flyers: Sigh
Phillies:Gah enough with the injuries!.
Do they serve alcohol at the games? Then Madden’s a fan.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Simon Gagne ($2.750m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.900m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Tom Sestito ($0.600m)
Matt Read ($0.900m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,206,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,093,572
1st CapGeek Try
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Jakub Voracek ($1.270m) / Wayne Simmonds ($0.850m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m)
Darroll Powe ($0.725m) / Alexei Ponikarovsky ($3.200m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.850m)
Michael Testwuide ($0.900m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Steve Montador ($1.550m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,552,261; BONUSES: $4,075,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,747,739
What do you think?
Don’t know how/why Briere and Hartnell switched, but whatever
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponikarovksy scored 15 pts last year. He’s not getting 3.2 mil anywhere but the KHL.
What can't Giroux do?
i just chose a random forward to fill in the spot with a kinda high salary, just so we’re not spending <$1million on the position
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
could put Schenn in for Ponikarovsky, and put Betts at center and switch Simmonds to RW
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And I just realized Voracek, simmonds, nodl and powe are all RFAs. Those are their cap hits from last year. they will all be getting raises this year.
What can't Giroux do?
take out Ponikarovsky, and put in someone cheaper
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
3rd Try
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Andreas Nodl ($1.200m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.000m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m)
Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
/Darroll Powe ($0.725m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,111,428; BONUSES: $4,075,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,188,572
Just estimated on the new salaries
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
and it’s a 22 man roster, not 23. I took out Testwuide
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
forgot to increase Powe’s salary, but there’s still a lot of space
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
this could work, but Simmonds and Voracek are both going to get a raise in the 2 Million area. Also, I would rather have Bartulis on defense than Gustafsson
that doesn’t even consider putting in Montador or Ponikarovsky. I just threw them in there. I guess we could just call up someone for that 4th center spot and 6th Dman.
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the idea of having Montador in the 3rd pairing with Coburn. Take away Ponikarovsky and insert Betts as the 4th center and this works.
by The Mad Hopper on Jun 27, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I can get it to work
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Jakub Voracek ($2.000m) / Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / Alexei Ponikarovsky ($3.200m)
Darroll Powe ($0.725m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.850m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m)
Ben Holmstrom ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Steve Montador ($1.550m)
Danny Syvret ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,981,428; BONUSES: $3,940,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $318,572
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I did one too...
I replaced Ponikarovsky with Gagne(I’m still hoping for that).
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Simon Gagne ($2.750m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Jakub Voracek ($2.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.900m)
Tom Sestito ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Steve Montador ($1.550m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,856,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $443,572
by The Mad Hopper on Jun 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i had no idea Gagne and Ponikarovsky were the same age.
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and you also put Schenn in on the 3rd line. He’s not on my team
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Montador sure, he could be my 6th dman any day of the week. Ponikarovsky on the other hand would blow goats. He is a horrible hockey player especially at the salary he has.
by blackandorange on Jun 27, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Still having a really hard time with the trades, regardless of the awesome draft picks. Aside from drastically altering the team, I tend to agree with those who think they don’t make too much hockey sense. They aren’t win now moves. Signing an older GT to a long-term deal is a win now move. Why make your team worse to sign a “proven” goaltender?
Trading one of them would have been sufficient. Trading both is too drastic. I just don’t like it, even after having all weekend to process it. Also, I feel for Carter being stuck in freaking Ohio. No beach, no awesome nightlife, no sold out arenas, no best friend. I don’t care how much he gets paid—he was shipped to Ohio for a decade! I’d be depressed, too.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Remember that Ilya is signed for 9 years. And maybe Homer anticipates that Pronger will play 3-4 more competitive years (doubtful, but maybe that’s what he’s thinking).
If he decided that the current group was not going to work in the long term (see my Mike and Bernie fanpost), this is the way to reload without the crash happening later. This is the Flyer management way: always stay competitive. Downside is no Cup. Upside is that 2006-07 never happens again.
It is sad for Kimmo however.
In preparation for NHL free agency, thinking of changing my screen name to Bhudde in 10OC.
he was shipped to Ohio for a decade!
Huh. Have you been there? It is a college town. There are worse places, some of which I have lived in.
In preparation for NHL free agency, thinking of changing my screen name to Bhudde in 10OC.
Yes, I have. It’s a culture shock, you have to admit it. Perhaps in time he can enjoy it, but you go from the 4th largest city in the US to Columbus. Hockey mad, sold out every night, traveling fanbase of Philly to a team that’s been around for only a handful of years comparitively speaking.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Well on the plus side of the living in Columbus thing, at least they have Tim Horton’s.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
NYC has them too. A lot of them, all of a sudden.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome to franchising. Tim Horton’s corporate is signing Master Franchise Agreements and my guess is that there is an MFA in the NYC market.
/wondering into something I actually sort of know
In preparation for NHL free agency, thinking of changing my screen name to Bhudde in 10OC.
Hey, if I can get a maple donut fix at Penn Station instead of waiting for a semi-annual trip to Quebec, I’m happy. No complaints from me.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But I guess I just don’t see how this group wasn’t going to work long term, considering they made it to the SCF just two seasons ago and made it to the playoffs every year except 2006.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Again, see my fanpost on Mike and Bernie.
I don’t necessarily think you’ll agree with it. But I’m more convinced this was Homer’s thinking.
In preparation for NHL free agency, thinking of changing my screen name to Bhudde in 10OC.
I think Homer is slightly mad/crazy, so there is that.
What’s everyone going to do this year if Bryz doesn’t play well and they can no longer blame goaltending?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
What’s everyone going to do this year if Bryz doesn’t play well and they can no longer blame goaltending?
Huh? If Bryz doesn’t play well then you can blame goaltending. People will say the Flyers got the wrong goalie again.
The problem would be if Bryz plays great and the Flyers don’t win, then you can’t blame goaltending.
What can't Giroux do?
No, what I mean is that investing in “proven goaltending” can often have the same results as unproven…that’s what I mean. The Flyers made the move and investment but had the same result.
It isn’t the “wrong” goalie so much as the wrong approach.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I’d contend that they are win now moves. The players you got in return are no slouches. Infact, they have a tremendous amount of upside, and it’s not a large leap either. Jake just needed a change of scenery, and Simmonds is viable for a 15 and 25 season IMO. The Flyers will contend next year and they will make the playoffs.
In fact, I’d bet money that next year’s team wins more playoff games than this year’s team. The goalie upgrade makes perfect sense in that whatever dip you have in scoring will be offset (for the majority) by the increase in net. Plus, the salary you opened up can be spent on a shutdown center in the 2 million range, and perhaps a two way option instead of Leino.
The Flyers will be a better team next year than this past year. And will get better each year. I’m not being too optimistic either. The moves make sense
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
CCB, I think you are in the minority with your optimism here. I’d love to believe it, but I don’t see them making the team that much better, especially with the questionable effectiveness of Pronger, Timonen another year older, etc. They could possibly win now, but I don’t see them as being “built to win” at this point and are just remaining perpetually competitive. It seems counterintuitive to everything Snider believes.
I realize in the current capworld you have to keep reloading to stay in the hunt; however, I don’t see how signing the goaltender to a 9-year deal falls in line with that…? Homer’s moves are just confusing to me and apparently to a lot of the hockey world. All my hockey friends, who are fans of other teams, called/emailed me with the same “WTF?!?” last week.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Of course I’m in the minority here.
Maybe I’m betting on the Tim Thomas river card. How many people are still second guessing that contract? Amazing how one can go from flub to anointed one in only a year.
If Pronger and Timonen are that big of a question mark (which I don’t believe them to be), you don’t double shift them like a jackass. You give Meszaros/Coburn/Carle extra minutes in hopes that they can handle the extra workload.
I was here on the boards during the trades, and there was a lot of what the fuck going on. But then there was also a good amount of “oh that makes sense” from fans of teams not named the Flyers. I think that’s the best objective opinion we can look at. You’re asking Bryzgalov/Bobrovsky to carry your team essentially, which I have no problem with
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think the contract to TT was too much. Goaltenders are volatile, like pitchers. Overpaying relief pitchers rarely is worthy of the investment (other than Rivera, they are terribly inconsistent). Yeah, it worked out—he got hot at the right time—but the defense played really well, they got some good matchups, healthy dose of luck, yada, yada.
We still have the same coach. Don’t forget that. He needs to make the right decisions with the players and, to use an old Reidism, “Put them in the best position to win”.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I’ve already posted that I’m on board with the enthusiasm for next season. I think we will be a very good team.
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 27, 2011 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m enthusiastic for next season simply because it’s the Flyers. I can’t say whether I think we’ll be better or worse, but we’ll still be the Flyers.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
^THIS. Also, I take no joy in being right if things don’t work out. I’m not one of those fans who roots for failure so they can be right. I just fear the new course and all the changes when the team was already so close. I pray to all the hockey gods that all this does work out and we have a cup in two years. I’d rather be wrong in other words.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Agreed. I just don’t see how this team is better next year. We lost Mike Richards and Jeff Carter and, as of now, are replacing them with Zherdev 2.0 and a third line winger. We upgraded the goalie position, but those losses are monumental. Even if Schenn comes in and plays well, you haven’t covered the loss of Carter and Richards at ES, PK, faceoffs, tough minutes, etc.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing that I am seeing consistently is no one expecting Coburn, Carle, or Mezsaros to get better next year/years after. Do I think we will be better next year? No. Do I think we’ll be as exciting? No way in hell. Am I afraid we will turn into this years Buffalo team? Maybe a little. But really since the cup run Coby has been my favorite defender, Carle has had one bad stretch, and Mez… I am not buying into him as much as many but he was very good last year. They all have what? 5-8 years to peak? (If we manage to hold on to them for that amount of time.)
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
with the money you are saving, you can go out there and get those niche players for 1.5 million that will be the faceoff specialist, or the defensive specialist who goes toe to toe with the leading scorers from the other team. With the money you save, hell you can get a better defenseman than SOD, whom doesnt break down late in the season.
The improvements are subtle, but by freeing up that cash you will have a more complete team, albeit you’ll have players that are specialized
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you’re right, I’m just not as optimistic that discount players will be able to fill those holes well enough to make up the difference, and that includes the upgrade in goal.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Lappy was one of those players. So is Malholtra
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And they’re good in a vacuum of signings, but I don’t like adding more competent players to replace two awesome two-way centers.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
zzz
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
Nodl’s contract with PHI is 2 years at $845K per year.
Pretty good.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions
and i gave him 1.2 in my capgeek trial….
by phillies0100 on Jun 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah – that’s what Capgeek shows too (unconfirmed font). That’s absolutely amazing – seeing as it’s LESS than he made last contract.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
seeing as it’s LESS than he made last contract.
I wonder why that is. I know he got hurt at the end of the year, but I thought he was having a pretty good year up until that point.
I thought it was a 10% minmum raise for RFA’s?
Interesting
Homer promised him a NMC in 3 years if he took a hometown discount.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I thought it was a 10% minmum raise for RFA’s?
It’s based on the previous year’s salary, not the previous cap hit (Nodl was on a multiyear deal).
And it’s 10% raise for a person making under 660k, 5% raise for 660k to 1M, no raise for 1M+.
But doesn’t that still dictate he should have gotten $855k? I’m confused.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
His actual salary was only $735K last year. Because it was his entry level contract he had a bunch of potential bonuses that counted against the cap. He actually got a functional raise of about 100K.
Muchos gracias, senor.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
My apologies.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
From JftC:
[Schenn] didn’t stick with the Kings last season mainly because he was having trouble with his defensive reads
Nodl signing=Schenn 3rd line center=I’m terrified.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Still in the ‘sarcasm font is for weenies’ boat with me, eh?
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I tried it for a while but it just didn’t feel right.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I’ve set up a couple comments like that today and nobody took the bait. I’m disappointed.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
At least I thought I did. This one was golden though.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
For an ex-military, and current gov’t employee, I am rotten with acronyms. What’s TWSS?
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, as you guys probably know, Terry Murray is a real stickler for that, and he runs a very rigid, conservative system; he seems to come down harder on young players, I suppose because he’s molding them. Kopitar’s game has been entirely transformed.
But most 20 year olds are a work in progress on that point.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
He’s not a bad defensive player outside the NHL. Don’t worry about it, he’ll learn eventually. Yes I would be terrified if he was our shutdown center in Game 1.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 27, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
A weekend has passed and I’m still not sure how I feel about this whole situation. Trading one, I could have understood. Both is hard to comprehend. And I have no clue what Snider and Homer are up to from a long-term vs “win now” perspective. As others have noted, the moves seem somewhat contradictory.
Either way, I’m very glad I was away for the weekend. Dealing with all of the playoff-only “fans” coming back to troll and insult Carter, Richards, and any BSH’er who dared disagree was bad enough on Thursday, I couldn’t have handled Friday, Saturday and Sunday as well. Love ‘em or hate ’em, for personal reasons or actual hockey-related reasons, Carter and Richards were important parts of this team. I’ll miss them but I’m excited about the new players and prospects too. It’ll be interesting to see how the team looks next year. (From a hockey perspective only, ) October can’t come soon enough!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
As per @FarhanLaljiTSN, Bieksa deal is 5 x $4.6 with a NTC.
That seems a bit pricey. I don’t like what this could mean for Carle/Coburn negotiations this year/next summer.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
I’m pretty much resigned to only keeping one of them unless Timo retires. I think we can get someone comparable to either for less money than they’re going to command on the open market, especially if all these teams are struggling to hit the floor.
I’d like to try to keep both of them but you’re probably right. Unless Kimmo retires there probably won’t be enough money to go around. Maybe a Hartnell trade.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, I’m starting to doubt we’ll trade him before his contract is up in two years, that is to say I also doubt he’s at all willing to waive his NTC.
Ughh. I hate when players take those things seriously.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
#Flyers have traded center Darroll Powe to Minnesota in exchange for Minnesota’s 3rd round draft pick in the 2013 NHL Entry Draft.
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like that. We’ve traded away two of our top four penalty killers.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was about to say the same thing. Now we are looking at Versteeg and Nodl to kill penalties along with Giroux and Betts?
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Who needs defensive forwardspenalty killers? We’ve got Bryzgalov!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I know, I was just copying my comment from before (in response to Schenn having problems on defense in LA) and modifying it to fit this situation.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Maybe he wanted too big of a raise and they didn’t want him playing top 9 minutes. I always wanted him to get a shot on at least a 3rd line, but oh well.
Meh, I never really wanted Powe in the top 9. He accepts passes at a high school level and has terrible hands. I’ve always really liked him on the fourth line though. Hits, plays defense, and is fast as hell. Basically, he knew his role and did it well. I’ll reserve judgment until I see what else the Flyers do, which is still a complete mystery to me.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, this. This offseason has been completely unpredictable. It’s as if the Flyers have channeled their inner Lindsay Lohan.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
by doubleh on Jun 27, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, FFS.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Why is everyone getting pissed? I was sure we would let Powe walk soon as I saw Nodl was signed. Of the two I would rather have Nodl, better upside, better in the system, Lavy likes him. And getting a 3rd round pick on someone we were going to let walk (plus an opening in our 50 man crunch) is a pretty good return.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I’m not pissed. I’m just confused by the direction this team is going. So many moves in so little time which seems like a totally different architectural philosophy.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
What’s the point of getting a goalie if you trade away all of your defensively responsible forwards?
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And we're back...
Who needs defensive forwards penalty killers defensive forwards? We’ve got Bryzgalov!
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by hintzy64 on Jun 27, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Powe was 2nd worse ranked at GA/60 at 2.88. Carcillo the only one who was worse hopfully he is gone too.
There’s circumstance (usage, teammates) there. I think he’s a perfectly capable player in his role, but I don’t think he’s irreplaceable by any means. Top that with Minnesota giving us a decent return, and I’m pretty tickled by the move.
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The only thing I ask of my fourth liners is not to get scored on and Powe Carcillo got scored on way too often.
Yeah, that’ll happen when you start in your own end 62.8% of the time and the goalie behind you only saves 89.9% of the shots at even strength. Oh, and you have to play with cover for Jody Shelley.
In terms of GA/60, wouldn’t “3rd lowest” be good? ;-)
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Yeah, I think he’s arguing that Shelley didn’t drag down Powe and Betts. What he’s missing is that the goalies saved 93.1% of the shots when Shelley was on the ice, vs 89.9% when Powe was on the ice.
Either (a) that’s because Shelley was having a heroically unprecedented individual defensive impact on the opponents’ shot quality or (b) it’s because Shelley just got plumb lucky and Powe unlucky and GAA is a terrible measure. I’ll let you decide.
Haha, at least you didn’t use couch the language to favor one option or the other.
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Even if I reduce it to just this:
Jody Shelley GA/60 2.03
Darroll Powe GA/60 2.88
That should be enough to conclude that GA/60 is not a good measure of a forward’s hockey skills. Citing Shelley being third best on the team in the measure does not strengthen the argument that the measure proves that Powe was weak defensively.
Thanks, I frequently have trouble telling what he’s arguing…
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NOT cool. Unless this Simmonds kid really impresses me, I’m liking this offseason less and less every day it seems.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, it may be that they project Simmonds to be on the PK. Maybe they won’t have “designated killers” like they’ve had in the past, if so, I’m not sure that’s it’s good idea, or not.
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And the worst part will be JIBTA crowing about it. Eww….
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, thats a reason to be mad… and I like Powe, but I didn’t see us keeping him, Nodl, and Carcillo. (Honestly I only saw us keeping 1 of them, and still do.)
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
A new candidate for worst cap management
Dale Tallon just took on the Brian Campbell salary. I thought, maybe it was front-loaded, but I just checked capgeek and, no, Dale and the Panthers management will be paying Brian Campbelll $7,142,875 each and every year for the next 5 years.
I really, really don’t get that.
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No. I still don’t get it. There are many, many other ways to get there.
It is the length of the contract that doesn’t make sense. If Campbell had 2 years left on $7.1, sure. Not 5.
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Is it an over 35 or does he have a NMC? If he sucks in 2-3 years and they don’t have to worry about the cap they can just waive him.
Tallon’s the guy who signed him to that contract in the first place, so he probably still thinks he’s worth it.
Maybe Tallon’s just lazy and didn’t feel like having to make this move several times over the next five years.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Bye, bye Darroll. We hardly knew ye!
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Bilbo.
And as I pointed out elsewhere, Powe became expendable once they signed Petr Placek. He’ll be going to Hahvahd, so Powe’s Princeton degree got trumped.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I correct in thinking that Flyers centers going into season will be Betts, Briere, Rinaldo, & Versteeg?
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Yes. I was under the impression he can play in the middle. I was trying to figure out how things would work given the current roster.
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Centers?
Briere, Giroux, Betts and possibly Schenn/UFA
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
If Schenn starts at center I’m going to be quite amused.
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Why?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
A couple of reasons. He’s on the small side weight wise. Part of that is due to age obviously. He also wasn’t the greatest in his own end the last time I watched him play. That would give the Flyers two small guys up the middle with questionable defensive skills. I also question his compete level. He’s not a 4th line center type guy.
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Shooting high and wide? Too much time at Sea Isle? Not enough physical play? What do we usually question that based on?
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Well he had a bad shoulder injury in his final WJC game and kept playing through it, but they lost, so obviously NOT CLUTCH ENUF.
Sigh.
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Based on what I’ve seen of him w/Kings, WJC, and a Wheat Kings game I viewed. I should have termed it more consistency than compete level. He struggles with physical play and seems to float at times. Given his age this isn’t a huge shock. I just think he still has a ways to go development wise. Not saying he can’t develop into a very good player, but I think depending on him to play center in the NHL this coming season is mistake. Just my 2 cents.
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I just think he still has a ways to go development wise.
I would agree with that, then. In fact I’m pretty sure the Kings suggested he go through extra training with Roberts (just a theory, but it fits their philosophy).
His heart and desire, though, I don’t question.
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I definitely should have used a better term originally. Lazy blogger I was.
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It’s not you, I just see people around the league (even a few Kings fans) thinking that if he was traded then he must have some fatal flaw. It usually involves him not taking gold. I think the only reason DL traded the next Mike Richards was to get the current Mike Richards, and that’s not a slight on anyone. So I’m a bit jumpy!
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I just question whether his ceiling is as high as the next Mike Richards. Too early too know. He’s only going to be 20 this coming season.
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It is a tall order, and they’re not exactly alike. Perhaps more offense and probably less defense than Richards. But we will see.
But he was very highly valued, and he wouldn’t have been traded for many other players in the league.
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Nope. Briere and Betts are correct. Giroux is another. Schenn or a UFA signing is the last. I doubt Rinaldo will be in the NHL lineup.
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Sestito, possibly (if we get rid of the Shelley albatross around our cap space’s neck). Rinaldo…not until they find the right medication.
Bob.
I don’t think that medication exists…
If we have to keep Shelley, I’m all for shunting him down to the Phantoms to teach Rinaldo how not to be a total batshit crazy headcase.
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…. paging Dr. Frankenstein, Dr. Frankenstein to the Phantoms dressing room please. Paging Dr. Frankenstein …
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I called for Powe and Betts to be moved and the end of the season 50% there need more reliable 4th line guys. Can’t have 4th line guys who get limited ice time against easy matchups leading your team in GA/60.
Powe did have decent qualcomp but Nodl was faced tougher comp the toughest and gave up the fewest goals against. Nodl should replace Powe as the regular 4th liner.
I’m completely okay with Nodl on the fourth line, with this roster.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I’m guessing this trade means that the Flyers are going to overpay for Leino.
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It probably would’ve happened anyway.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on Sestito’s, Simmonds’s and Voraek’s contracts and what they plan on doing for 3rd line center:
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.845m) / / Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
Tom Sestito ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,751,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $3,548,572
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks right, although I’m not convinced Sestito is even in the press box.
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Yea, I’m not sure about that either. I have no idea what happens with the 3rd line center though. If you sign Leino, there probably won’t be much flexibility.
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this capgeek shows that there is a choice that Homer has here.
(1) Sign a UFA Center for the 3rd line
(2) Keep Schenn in the NHL and not the AHL
(3) Sign Leino or someone like Laich
He can do 2 of those 3. Not all 3.
I’d prefer Lappy to go on IR and not LTIR, so I’d also prefer 1 and 2 and not 3 and bank the space. But then weirdness happens with offense.
I’ve done a bunch of these but have not posted them because nothing makes sense right now. Your capgeek demonstrates this. We’ll see what Homer does.
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I’m not sure what the difference is between 1 and 3 in this scenario. Laich is a center, so he’d basically be an expensive version of 1, but he’d still play the third line.
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Hmmm…he is listed as a left-wing in his Yahoo profile. That might be wrong, but I equated Leino and Laich. Also, I’m really referring to ToddtheFox’s analysis; that would be a cheaper but tough UFA center.
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Right, leading to my confusion: Laich is capable of playing tough minutes at center, but looking for Leino type money. So the options are UFA center, Schenn in the NHL, and a UFA wing? You have 2-3 mil to play around with after Schenn, so you could potentially get a higher quality center with him in the lineup than Leino.
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Yea, it should be really interesting to see what move comes next. Personally, I think I’m with you in saying to look for a 2-2.5M cap hit UFA center to play tough defensive situations. I’m just not sure who is available.
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
#Flyers have extended Qualifying Offers to the following players: Jonathon Kalinski, Wayne Simmonds and Jakub Voracek.
via @NHLFlyers.
Why would they qualify Kalinski?
Haha, Simmonds qualifying offer is 577k and Voracek’s is 826k. I guess it’s worth a shot, but take a new acquisition to arbitration isn’t my favorite idea.
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I think this is their first RFA, right? Homer assumes leverage in the negotiations.
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I think he just has to qualify them before the deadline to make sure they can’t walk for any price and we continue to have certain rights on them. I just worry.
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They can’t go to arbitration, they don’t have enough experience to be eligible. Their only leverage is if another team gives them an offer sheet, and the Flyers are forced to match it. Well they can hold out, too, but that can get ugly if they’re not careful.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Mainly Cillo stache. Who is probably freaking out right about now.
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by Chemistry66 on Jun 27, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
/raises hand
I’d just like to point out that this is one more example of getting rid of everybody who requests arbitration from the Flyers. I’m having a terribly hard time thinking of anybody besides LeClair who got another contract after the one they sign the year of arbitration expired (including if they elected it and signed before actually getting to the hearing).
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ed Snider – Tea Party contributor or evil hockey organization owner. You decide.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
So where are we right now?
Guessing Voracek + Simmonds make about 4.2M combined, we get this:
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.200m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.845m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Tom Sestito ($0.600m) / / Ian Laperriere ($1.166m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Kevin Marshall ($0.845m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,663,928; BONUSES: $3,952,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,636,072
About 2.5-3M to spend on a third-line center if they want to go right up against the cap again. But if that’s more than a one-year deal, I have no idea how they handle it when Coburn, Carle, and JvR all get raises in free agency next year.
have no idea how they handle it when Coburn, Carle, and JvR all get raises in free agency next year.
cap goes up Versteeg goes by bye Hartnell gets bought out or we trade Giroux and JVR.
we trade Giroux and JVR
After we see the emergence of schenn and voracek, why not trade younger?
by hebrew hammer on Jun 27, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
this, sadly
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Kind of an odd question, but when I was telling my dad this weekend that the Flyers traded Carter and Richards, he commented that it sucked because the Flyers still had to pay some portion of their salary. I was about to respond no, but I seem to remember this sort of thing happening in the past. Like Jagr, for example. I feel like when he was traded to the Rangers, the Caps fans were complaining because they were still paying his salary. Am I crazy? Is this some old rule that went away with the CBA? How does this work?
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by Chemistry66 on Jun 27, 2011 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for making it obvious, Chem, I might’ve missed it in these long threads!
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what the DG-Signal is for, haha.
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by Chemistry66 on Jun 27, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did he get that from?
There were definitely times in the past that you could pay part of a player’s salary after you trade him. Hey, you can do it in the MLB (hi there Roy Oswalt!). And obviously, it happens in the situation of re-entry waivers.
In the 2005 CBA, however:
11.16 Sale of SPCs. There shall be no cash transactions in connection with theSection 50.8.(b).(ii) seems weird here, because it doesn’t have any exceptions for allowing such behavior. It’s actually a list of prohibited terms and practices, and re-iterates what 11.16 says:
Assignment of Players. Nor shall any Club be permitted to retain an obligation to pay or
to reimburse another Club for a portion of any Player’s Player Salary or Bonuses in
connection with the Assignment of such Player, other than as set forth in Section
50.8(b)(ii) of this Agreement.
50.8 Prohibited SPC Terms and Practices.I actually the “other than” in Section 11.16 should point to 50.9.(g).(ii), which is Re-Entry Waivers. That’s the one case where we know the team retains an obligation.
(b) The following practices also shall not be permitted under this Agreement
and may not be included in any SPC, nor otherwise agreed to by any Club, any person or
any entity:
(i) Salary reimbursement;
(ii) Cash transact ions in connection with the Assignment of Player
SPCs;
(iii) Team Bonus Plans;
(iv) SPC re-negotiat ions (either “up” or “down”); and
(v) SPC extensions other than pursuant to Section 50.5(f) above.
I admit that there may be some detail that I’m missing, because the CBA barely even touches the issue of trades. I am under the impression that they removed any allowance for teams to negotiate such things in a trade deal; otherwise the Homers/Lamoriellos/Sathers of the world would be exploiting it to get small teams to take cap contracts with the old team footing some of the bill.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
His dad got confused between the news stories he heard about Carter and Richards and Manny Ramirez.
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Okay, so it’s something that used to happen (e.g. Jagr, see the last paragraph on his time with the Caps), and the new CBA outlawed it. I was wondering if that was the case because it really hurts lower-income teams, like the Caps. Both he and I could think of examples when this happened in trades long ago, so he assumed it was still common practice. Thanks!
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Roster contest standings
- Everyone got Richards’ departure wrong.
- Only sjbjay9 will get a bonus point for correctly identifying Powe’s departure.
- Everyone but cillo stache and kckrebs will likely get one point for correctly identifying Nodl as being on the roster (assuming he is).
- sa cyred, UhOh SpaghettiOs, sjbjay9, PowerOfBauer, Bob’s Crab Emporium, techwiz21, flyersrock08, Philly4Cup, psu1088, and flyerspaul12 got one point for correctly identifying Nodl’s cap hit to within 5% (assuming he is on the roster).
- sjbjay9, PowerOfBauer, techwiz21, flyersrock08, and flyerspaul12 got two points for correctly identifying Carter’s departure.
- fitzy first, Val_d’Or, sa cyred, mikefive, Lindbergh 31, hebrew hammer, Justin F., pmontgo33, sjbjay9, flyers4, Cole Stevens, Joewade, ToddtheFox, PowerOfBauer, corwhore, Sean O’Mara, techwiz21, Spork12, flyersrock08, Philly4Cup, flyersfan023, psu1088, flyerspaul12, and kckrebs will likely each earn one point for identifying Bryzgalov as being on the Flyers roster.
- sa cyred, hebrew hammer, corwhore, techwiz21, flyersrock08, flyerspaul12, and kckrebs will likely each earn one bonus point for identifying Bryzgalov’s cap hit to within 5%.
- Everyone but Val_d’Or, UhOh SpaghettiOs, Cillo stache, sjbjay9, Bob’s Crab Emporium, Philly4Cup, and flyerspaul12 will likely earn one point for identifying Carcillo’s departure.
- PowerOfBauer, techwiz21, flyersrock08, flyerspaul12, and kckrebs will likely receive one point for identifying the acquisition of Voracek, and maybe an additional point if they get the cap hit right.
- techwiz21 will likely receive one point for identifying the acquisition of Simmonds, and maybe an additional point if he gets the cap hit right.
Current leaders: techwiz21 has 9 likely points listed above, flyersrock08 has 8, PowerOfBauer and flyerspaul12 have 7, sjbjay9 has 6, sa cyred has 5.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
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