Wayne Simmonds to Wear Number 17, Do You Care?
by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT
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Less than four days after trading Jeff Carter, the Flyers announced that Wayne Simmonds will wear his old number this year. Additionally, Jakub Voracek will wear #9, Brayden Schenn #10, and Kris Versteeg #32. A bit of a shakeup there, with Versteeg giving Schenn his old number, and Voracek going from wearing #93 in Columbus to #9 here.
Admittedly, this is pretty trivial stuff. But I presume there is a non-trivial segment of the fanbase - and other fanbases as well - who will be offended at the organization giving away Carter's number so soon. It's a respect thing for those people.
For example, the Flyers haven't given anybody Pelle Lindbergh's old number 31, even if the circumstances surrounding his departure were much more tragic. The Flyers also haven't given anybody Simon Gagne's #12 since his trade.
However, BIlly Tibbets was given Rod Brind'Amour's number 17 after a little more than a year later, while both Mark Recchi and John LeClair saw a one year moratorium on their numbers after departing. It seems that the Flyers normally give the big names of their franchise at least one year before their jersey numbers are worn again.
Nobody will be confused into thinking the Flyers should retire Carter and Richards' numbers, but giving them both the same treatment as Gagne, Brind'Amour, Recchi, and LeClair wouldn't be out of the question. Now, obviously, maybe it was just a coincidence that nobody wore those numbers for at least a year, while Simmonds wants to and should be allowed to.
So the question is, do you care that Wayne SImmonds is wearing Jeff Carter's number less than four days after he was traded?
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more concerned with the earth-shatteringly surprising/team changing roster moves we’ve just made than numbers.
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by MeszarosKillsPeople on Jun 27, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
Well said
There is too much to digest concerning these past few weeks to worry about jersey numbers. That being said, Carter was a great player for us but his history here is different than that of clarkes, brindamors, and gagnes. Welcome to number 17 simmonds.
I thought it was cool that versteeg let schenn have number 10 too.
Overall I am excited to see this new flyers squad, still a bit uneasy, but excited nevertheless!
Here's to Simon Gagne hopefully winning a cup, a small victory for flyers fans everywhere.
Ouch
Well that’s one way to add insult to injury. Dude is probably still face palming into his wheaties, bummed he ain’t a Flyer anymore and now this. I can see it now, Carter on his beer can strune deck in Stone Harbor, Weber grill flamin away with his Flyers sweaters smokin out the neighbors, on the phone with Richards saying, “well I don’t see them giving your number away”. Sorry buddy, sometimes life sucks to for the rich folk too.
Leino = $$$
by flyerfreek on Jun 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
#danellisproblems
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 27, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
has nothing to do with conversation but your Gagne thing below your post is just awesome, glad others love him as much as I did growing up!
by squareparrot on Jun 28, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
No
I don’t think the Flyers didn’t give those numbers on purpose (although maybe for Lindburgh’s 31), I think it was just a coincidence that there were new players coming in who just happened to want different numbers.
by DieHardFlyersFaninChicago on Jun 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions
taking the number of the goalie who died in a car accident might not be very desirable for some people
Ouch
Well that’s one way to add insult to injury. Dude is probably still face palming into his wheaties, bummed he ain’t a Flyer anymore and now this. I can see it now, Carter on his beer can strune deck in Stone Harbor, Weber grill flamin away with his Flyers sweaters smokin out the neighbors, on the phone with Richards saying, “well I don’t see them giving your number away”. Sorry buddy, sometimes life sucks for the rich folk too.
Leino = $$$
by flyerfreek on Jun 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Opps. Trigger finger epic fail
Leino = $$$
by flyerfreek on Jun 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah – you double-tap to make certain they stay down ;)
Bob.
by The Dark on Jun 27, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That word. You keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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by hintzy64 on Jun 27, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fishie?
I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 28, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what I was thinking myself. Modells is happy
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by darkside3744 on Jun 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That was my first thought literally. Maybe some people still have an Upshall Jersey, who knows
by SkookFlyerfan on Jun 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure nobody is expecting Simmonds to change his number for a guy that isn’t on the team anymore and isn’t a legend, Carts is probably elbow deep in some smokin hot 20-something year old chick in Sea Isle as we speak anyway so i don’t feel too bad for him.
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by MeszarosKillsPeople on Jun 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Actually Carter is awaiting nash et al
I just heard that Nash, the GM, Umberger and the owner of the Blue Jackets are on their way to Philly/Sea Isle to talk to Carter. I kid you not.
Has anybody ever thought about what might happen if Carter just refuses to report?
Theres no way Carter doesn’t report to Columbus, he has millions of dollars to make.
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by MeszarosKillsPeople on Jun 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
let me add
stranger things have happened. If he is sitting on a pile of $$ and he is pissed off enough, he might just say fuck it I’m not playing in Columbus and then sit out the year to see if he can force another trade.
I mean at least Richey gets to go to LA, with its starlets and good weather. All Columbus offers is OSU and its implied bounty of coeds, who quite frankly would rather hang out with the student manager of the football team than with a hockey player.
by CowboysSuck on Jun 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you really hear “Sea Isle” or are you just adding this is for awesomeness?
by Boundforbeach on Jun 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Columbus media
Nash et al flew into Philly and were presumably headed to the Jersey shore to meet with Carter.
According to Carter’s agent, there will be no issue in reporting to Columbus. And the meeting is in Philly.
by flyersphan17 on Jun 27, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the initial reports were the meeting was in Philly…turns out it was in Sea Isle.
by flyersphan17 on Jun 27, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Carts is probably elbow deep in some smokin hot 20-something year old chick in Sea Isle as we speak anyway so i don’t feel too bad for him.
\facepalm
\so sick of that crap
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
same here, it just reeks of jealousy. what 26-27 year old isn’t doing that?
http://restorations.bandcamp.com/
Poor, 26-27 year olds who aren’t good looking? A lot of this “suck it up, you’re a millionaire” shit is rooted in jealousy, I’m convinced.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Or guys like me who got married at 23. :-p
But yes, I think jealousy is definitely a major factor in the near-constant stream of insults regarding his financial and social status. People need to get over it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I did that too (got married at 25) … but I also fixed that small problem toot-sweet. Was single again at 27, and stayed that way until 35.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
and I have a feeling I’ll be getting a #10 sweater sometime in the future. Glad Schenn got that.
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Ok, joking aside. Is there anything to Vorecek “not” taking YahtZEE’s number? Do we see him in Orange and Black this year? He is a scoring winger and seemed to finally get Lavi’s system.
Leino = $$$
by flyerfreek on Jun 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
no obviously since A. Laviolette hates him, B. He’s probably in jail for assaulting his wife and even if he isn’t he’ll never play in the NHL again.
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by MeszarosKillsPeople on Jun 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
and seemed to finally get Lavi’s system
Wasn’t he a healthy scratch even late in the season, even in the playoffs, even when Leino was hurt? I didn’t exactly feel the love for him from the team.
And besides, they’re just running out of room for top-9 forwards. They already have nine (assuming Voracek and Simmonds sign): Hartnell, Briere, Voracek, JvR, Giroux, Versteeg, Schenn, Simmonds, Nodl. And they’re still kind of missing a third-line center. So I don’t see it.
And they’re still kind of missing a third-line center.
…Schenn?
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by MeszarosKillsPeople on Jun 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
god dammit i suck
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by MeszarosKillsPeople on Jun 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Schenn and/or Couturier will be in that role in a couple of years.
But are you comfortable taking a 20 year old kid with 9 NHL games under his belt and putting him in as the shutdown center who gets the toughest minutes, against the top lines around the league?
It’ll almost certainly hurt the team, and I’d be nervous about the impact on the player’s development.
depends on the person, some players are ready at that age and some aren’t. it sounds like this kid is a freak of nature so maybe we’ll get lucky, otherwise we’re fucked because after we sign everyone we’re already plan on signing we’ll have no money left to go sign a good center.
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by MeszarosKillsPeople on Jun 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not true. We probably have 2-3 mil to spend if Voracek and Simmonds get numbers we think they will (and if either Powe or Nodl is gone). And that’s with keeping aside enough cap room for injury call-up.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I’m looking at Hartnell-Briere-Voracek (2.3), Schenn-Giroux-JVR, Steeg-[blank]-Simmonds (2.0), Nodl-Betts-Shelley, 13th forward, Gus as the 7th D, Lappy LTIR’d and Leighton waived. I have 3.35 to play with to sign that center and keep room for injury call ups.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Schenn at $3.1M, right? His bonuses will count this season (as per CBA) if he stays on the team. Wonder if he will be ready to play 2nd line minutes…
I doubt he will be; I wasn’t worrying too much about line combos.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Well, that would mean (to me) picking up another Top-6 player. Which eats big time into that $3.35M, if not all of it.
Simmonds or Schenn can play there, I’m not too concerned about a top 9 vs. top 6 cost for a center of the third line. It’ll take 2-3 mil.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I think Schenn playing Top 6 would be a huge mistake. May be able to get away with Simmonds or Versteeg playing there, but I can imagine that’s not what Homer wants to do when all is said and done.
What I mean is Top 6 vs. Top 9 matters a whole lot less than how you’re using each line and who is on it. Playing 18 minutes on Giroux’s wing against 2nd line competition is easier than playing 15 minutes a game centering Simmonds and Nodl against 1st and 2nd line competition.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Agreed
That’s why I was trying to make the distinction on what role you saw Schenn playing. If you see him Centering Simmonds and Nodl, we are on the same page, but it would mean Versteeg would have to be the 18 minute-man (or more) alongside Giroux.
This is a lineup I see
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($2.500m)
Jakub Voracek ($2.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m)
FREE AGENT ($0.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
/ Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
/ Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,251,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,048,572
Did you see the red-army link back in the Todd’s thread 20 years old seems to be the number for be able to handle to tough minutes regardless of NHL experience.
http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/8/15/1609019/taylor-hall-jordan-eberle-magnus#storyjump
Unless I’m reading that wrong, it seems to indicate 20 is the age a player is capable of handling NHL minutes—not necessarily tough ones, and with average results.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yeah, if you did choose to do that, I wouldn’t count on particularly great results. I think Terry Murray would never have considered putting him in that role, so maybe that’s influencing me, but it seems like making Giroux’s life harder in the short term is the best option (if you don’t bring in another shutdown center).
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I’m not sure that Schenn will start this season on the club. That’s not a given from what I’ve been reading about his scouting reports.
by DieHardFlyersFaninChicago on Jun 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he is not a favorite of mine, but isn’t Versteeg also a center? He played some center last year for Philly.
Phigment
Doesn’t matter. 31, 32, or 33 for Versteeg. Giving a player your number is a show of disrespect. But who knows Versteeg might be wearing 10 next season, or 32 for that matter, but it won’t be for the Flyers. That is what we can read into this bit of news about numbers.
by NickFotiu4HOF on Jun 27, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
How is giving a player your number a show of disrespect?
My apologies if this is a stupid question, but i really don’t understand. if anything, i thought it’d be a sign of respect.
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by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he means the GM/front office giving his number to someone else (disrespectful), not the player willfully giving his number to someone else (respectful). But as I said, Versteeg switched back to his old number, so I imagine it was his idea. The only thing is I can’t remember why he didn’t take 32 right away when we traded for him…
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10 was the number he always wanted originally because it was his when he was a kid. But Patrick Sharp alreayd had that number, so he picked 32. And when he came here he went back to 10. or something like that.
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by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he thought he had better luck with 32?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not like they gave him #18.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm.
I think it shows poor taste. It just is further cements the perception among some that the really treated him badly, which is a shame. And for Wayne Simmonds of all people. Stamkos or Brad Richards, maybe.
At the end of the day though, I don’t really give a shit. But it would be preferable if they put the # 17 in moth balls for a year.
Let me try this again
Two things would prevent a team from reissuing a player’s number:
Respect for the parting player and his contribution to the team
Respect for a hurting fanbase having trouble dealing with the player’s departure
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Upset? no. Suprised? not in the least. For a club thats pushed “we are a family” values for years, they have dropped the ball hard for 2 years now.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
The Flyers are a business not a family. Don’t ever let them, or any other business entity, convince you otherwise.
What can't Giroux do?
Except for if you ever watch any games of CSN and all they do is talk about guys like Homer and Clarke and the huge amount of home guys who never left and always had a place in the club even after retirement. I forsee seeing a lot of Lappy this year for the positive “look how good we treat our guys” PR.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I do watch the games on CSN. Its good business to promote themselves as a family because it keeps fans happy and sells more tickets. In the end this team is trying to make money.
Case and point
I forsee seeing a lot of Lappy this year for the positive "look how good we treat our guys" PR
Its valuable PR that’s what motivates it. Heck, if Lappy wasn’t a 35+ he probably would have retired and the Flyers wouldn’t have mentioned him last season.
What can't Giroux do?
Well, its a business that’s all in the family if you consider how many former players were since hired as assistants, coaches, GMs, or VPs. Hell, with the exception of Lavy, it’s almost a job requirement.
Sometimes I think its the former greats that are the most demanding and least forgiving when it comes to the young players, but that could be an entire post unto itself.
by Boundforbeach on Jun 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. Don’t give a shit. #17 is Rod the Bod’s number and that’s who I’ll think of when i see it. Hopefully Simmonds does it justice. I think he will.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 28, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Tibbetts vs. Stevens
Val,
You’re right. Billy was the rapist. According to the drug whore he was caught with, Kevin Stevens was a “crack monster” (the type of addict mere crack heads long down their noses in disgust at).
Ah, it would be nice to have a year off, but I think the Flyers want to move on (and have the fanbase move on) pretty quickly. It’s not like we won a championship or anything. I think I’d have a harder time with someone else getting the captain’s number right away, frankly.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Perhaps it would help the fanbase “move on” if they gave a 50% discount on a new player jersey for turning in a Richards or Carter jersey :)
by Boundforbeach on Jun 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
can we get a jersey exchange program with the LA or CLB website that might be fun to have a LAK Simmonds for a Philly Richards
Ha… I like how you think, except for the fact that you can probably buy a brand new Richards or Carter jersey on the racks at Modell’s for about 14 bucks now.
by Boundforbeach on Jun 27, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re asking the wrong guy. Sadly, all I have is my Roenick alternate black jersey which I still shamelessly wear.
by Boundforbeach on Jun 27, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
for the same reason the department of corrections retired Vick’s prison number
/ducks
by Boundforbeach on Jun 27, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, i think its kind of…rude to him. For all he did for the Flyers, the least they could do is show him some respect and not let someone new get his number in 4 days.
But it only proves that much more that the Flyers don’t care.
At the same time, though, it was Simmonds number to begin with so its not that surprising.
And lets face it. If we were not to let him keep his number 17, there’d be a ton of people that would have something to say about it too. There’s no way to win here.
Oh, and i think its really nice of Versteeg to do that for Schenn. But now my Versteeg shirt makes no sense :( .
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by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
But now my Versteeg shirt makes no sense
Now?
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
well i had a flyers one. and it said 10.
unlike most, i actually liked him as a player.
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by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
"Everyone wants to be THAT guy, but not everyone is willing to put himself, or knows how to put himself in that situation. A big part of it is not being afraid...of the moment, of falling." - Danny Briere
by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha yeah I just find it funny that someone would buy a Versteeg shirt jersey. It’s ridiculous that it’s (I guess save for it now being the wrong number) actually a better investment than a Richards or Carter one.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. well, people don’t like him. but i do.
but he’s funny! and has a personality! and come on. he’s not THAT bad of a player.
"Everyone wants to be THAT guy, but not everyone is willing to put himself, or knows how to put himself in that situation. A big part of it is not being afraid...of the moment, of falling." - Danny Briere
by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not a bad player at all. He just gets a terrible wrap here because he, like the rest of the team save a couple of guys, blew it down the stretch and in the playoffs.
What can't Giroux do?
In his defense, he was injured.
"Everyone wants to be THAT guy, but not everyone is willing to put himself, or knows how to put himself in that situation. A big part of it is not being afraid...of the moment, of falling." - Danny Briere
by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way his play down the stretch, injured or not, is not a true showing of his abilities as an NHL player. He is vastly under-rated by Flyers fans.
What can't Giroux do?
thats what i’ve been trying to tell people!
i think he’ll blow us away this season. well, i hope so.
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by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I’m giving him a semi-pass. Although that doesn’t really explain his terrible decision-making.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s a bad player. He and the rest of the team just played like crap once he got here.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I love both of these guys and no the numbers are not their property for any reason. I wonder what people think about the unlikely possibility of the Flyers adopting the retirement of number policy that the Leafs utilize. The leafs allow others to wear the number, but there is a banner and pressure that if you choose that honored number that you better play like the guy in the rafters!
Phigment
Know what would be awesome?
If Wayne Simmonds’ name was Geoff Karter. Then everyone with a Carter jersey would have to get one letter changed.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
UGH. see, i would have rather had Powe back over Leino.
there goes our whole PK unit. Hope Blair Betts can handle this himself..
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by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, you win. but still. I liked Powe.
"Everyone wants to be THAT guy, but not everyone is willing to put himself, or knows how to put himself in that situation. A big part of it is not being afraid...of the moment, of falling." - Danny Briere
by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
well…at least i got his autograph while he was still here.
"Everyone wants to be THAT guy, but not everyone is willing to put himself, or knows how to put himself in that situation. A big part of it is not being afraid...of the moment, of falling." - Danny Briere
by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i sure hope so. he didn’t get THAT much time last season. not nearly as much as Powe or Betts.
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by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
powe blows
leino is a top line player and u want a garbage 4th line winger over him.. wow
well geez. don’t hold back or anything.
just my opinion.
There’s no doubt that Leino is talented, and the rumors about the ridiculous amount of money he wants…well he’s just not worth 4 million dollars. sorry. Our penalty kill was pretty decent this year, and there’s no doubt Powe was a part of that.
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by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
powe sucks
i love leino .. but he not worth 4 .. i wont pay a dime over 3.2 .. otherwise let him walk
don’t get me wrong, i love Leino too. but what i’m getting is that all he’s about is the money now. and i don’t like that. I’d love to have them both back, but i would have picked Powe over Leino.
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by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If you sign Leino at 3.2M, you are on LTIR all year, you are going to be well over the cap next year, and you still don’t have a third line center.
But other than that, it’s all good. Oh, except that depending on what Voracek and Simmonds make, you might not have enough cap space left for an injury call-up.
That’s technically true. It’s also possible that Leino could play for under 1M as well.
I can’t think of any historical precedent for either one happening though.
technically yes, but realistically, no way. Both will make at least $2M, which changes a whole bunch. And if one of them decides he is worth more than that, what do you do?
If you check the RFA draft choice compensations the picks received aren’t that great at low salary levels. Both players are probably worth more than the draft picks that could be received.
What can't Giroux do?
What numbers do you have that prove Powe sucks?
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Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This has Snider written all over it
Didn’t he say last week you can’t win the Cup with somebody from Princeton?
by flyersfaninchicago on Jun 27, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
here
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
I thought Voracek wore 93 because the Czechs and Slovaks separated on 1/1/93. And the same with Nedved, though that might have been when he got his Canadian citizenship.
As for Simmonds and 17, Carter was an excellent player for us, but you don’t hold out a number for a guy who will play another 10 years or so. Especially when it’s the new guy’s number. LeClair was basically released during the lockout and everyone assumed he’d retire. He managed to hang on for a year, sort of, before he did.
A better discussion would be who should have the next # retired? And is a Cup the only prerequisite?
Has anyone worn Desjardins 37 since?
Propp’s #26 should be close to deserving.
Jon Kalinski wore #37 (yeah I wasn’t too thrilled about it but I knew it wasn’t going to get retired)
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter Speaks
Blue Jackets center Jeff Carter finally ended his silence today, four days after he was acquired in a blockbuster trade with Philadelphia.
"It’s been a tough couple of days," Carter said. "I spent six years in Philadelphia. I think so highly of the organization. It was a real shot to me.
"My decision to not talk had absolutely nothing to do with being traded to Columbus. I know it’s a team that has struggled in the past, but there’s a great future there, a lot of young players. I’m excited to be there."
The Blue Jackets traded for Carter on Thursday, but he’d been incommunicado with the exception of a brief text message conversation with Jackets captain Rick Nash.
Blue Jackets management turned proactive this morning. General manager Scott Howson, coach Scott Arniel and Nash flew from Columbus to Sea Isle, N.J., to meet with Carter in his residence. Beginning at noon, they had a 90 minute meeting that must have calmed a lot of nerves.
"It was great. I really appreciate them making the trip down here to come see me," Carter said. "It shows a lot on their part, that they’re excited to have me. We talked for a while about the team, their direction. We talked about the city.
"Just sitting down and talking with them, it got me real excited, and wishing the season would start a little earlier."
Carter, 26, is a proven No. 1 center. He has 115 goals the last three seasons, the fifth higest total in the NHL.
He signed an 11-year contract in November with the Flyers, one he thought would keep him in Philadelphia orange for the rest of his career.
In fact, Carter and his agent, Rick Curran, said they were told last week by Flyers GM Paul Holmgren that rumors of a trade involving Carter were not accurate. The trade devastated him, according to people close to Carter.
"It was all about how things were handled in Philadelphia," he said.
Carter plans to travel to Columbus later this month to get a lay of the land.
"I’d like to do it sooner rather than later," he said.
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In fact, Carter and his agent, Rick Curran, said they were told last week by Flyers GM Paul Holmgren that rumors of a trade involving Carter were not accurate. The trade devastated him, according to people close to Carter.
“It was all about how things were handled in Philadelphia,” he said.
Yep. Could have been handled better. I love how the WIP-type folks say that Carter should just suck it up because he’s getting paid millions, blah, blah, blah. He’s a human being and human beings are not robots. The money he makes doesn’t change that fact. Just comes off as petty jealousy from folks who make that point as justification of an organization doing whatever it wants, whenever it wants.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I think this just came down really harshly because he’s probably never been let down hard in his life before. Being a star athlete means he’s probably had a very cushy life and had a lot handed to him. This is probably the first time he didn’t get his way and he’s very upset. I’m sure this will come as a wake-up call and learning experience for him. He has a right to be upset about being traded, but the fact that the Blue jackets had to come all the way to see him is unprofessional.
What can't Giroux do?
I don’t think it’s unprofessional. I think it’s the new organization wanting to start things off on the right foot and get the guy pumped up for an organization that’s still trying to make a name for itself. Dude’s depressed. It’s easy to conflate that with being a spoiled, overly pampered, entitled athlete. When he makes teams do it time and again, then we can start calling him Favre.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
What I’m saying is Columbus shouldn’t have had to come see him. He should have returned Howson’s calls. There’s nothing wrong with being depressed, but he should have returned his new bosses calls. He doesn’t have to be all peachy keen, but it shouldn’t have taken until today for him to have a meaningful convo with the Columbus FO.
What can't Giroux do?
Here's my take on the Carter deal.
The way I look at it, Jeff put himself and the organization in a tough spot all on his own and here’s why. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t remember it being a common practice to go ask your GM if you’re safe from trade or not. Granted, he did just sign a practically career long contract for 11 years and made a huge commitment to the team and the city. But he also knew that his trade clause did not kick in until this season started. This is where the reports said Carts got nervous about the rumors and wanted assurance from Homer.
So my question is, would it have been the right thing to do to tell Carts the absolute truth? Should he have said, yes Jeff were looking to get into the top 10 of the draft this year and also pick up more size on the wing, so yes Jeff we’re looking to move you. We’ve been thinking about it for 2 years now and its time to pull the trigger.
There’s no way Homer could have said this or anything even modestly like it that hinted it was a possibility we were going to trade him. Because what if the deal wouldn’t have gone through? And now we are stuck with the butt-hurt Carter? Im sorry but fuck that.
This is a business, you hear that first and foremost with every single person in sports that has gotten traded.Look at Richards’ first reaction to his trade to LA. I would say there’s more of a shock factor in that trade than his. But least he handled it like a man and true Professional.
But least he handled it like a man and true Professional.
I thought I read that he was pretty outraged when he heard Carter was traded, so I imagine the trend continued when his own trade happened. There’s one key difference, Richards’ agent didn’t go off telling the media how they were wronged by the Flyers and upset about it. Look, you could be entirely right, but as I kept saying in the argument over Carter’s “reaction”, we’re not in his head or in the room talking to him, we have no idea how he feels. Saying Richards handled it like a man and a true professional and that Carter handled it like a sulking fratboy is pure conjecture. We just don’t know and, frankly, it’s completely irrelevant to how they play hockey.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Pure conjecture? You think I’m guessing? I’m simply going off of their first reaction. If I’m not mistaken the day Mike got traded he tweeted something along the lines that he was surprised but excited to be going to LA. Was he probably shocked and a little pissed off at that time? Absolutely, but he handled it the right way. Jeff Carter did not. He text messaged 1 player while at the same time ignored his new GM and organization for 4 days. And then practically forced them to come see him? That’s just ridiculous in my opinion man.
But your reply still doesn’t help me answer my question: What should Homer have told him? That yes he was in fact trying to trade him?
Well then I guess I just don’t follow these guys as closely as you do. I had heard next to nothing about Mike and his reaction, as opposed to Carter. Sorry, geez.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Yeah, I guess you could say I’ve been paying pretty close attention since they traded the “cornerstones”, Haha but you don’t have to be sorry man, I was just trying to prove a point. In that I don’t understand what Jeff was expecting when he asked if he was safe. And that I’ve never heard of a player do what he did.
It’s a pretty big thing to have not go your way. You basically sign a contract that determines your life for the next 10 years, and now you’re being held to that commitment by an unfamiliar organization in a completely different city. He did handle it poorly, though. At least go through the motions of saying the right cliches.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure all parties were happier meeting at the shore than in Columbus.
by DrunkHockeyFan on Jun 27, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t comment on how life has treated Carter but I agree that it’s bad form to (not) respond in such a way that the team feels compelled to come visit. As many have said, Carter is human and entitled to his feelings no matter how much money he makes, but it’s also true that no matter how much or little money you make there is a responsibility to balance the expression of your feelings with external reality, your responsibilities, and the feelings/positions of others.
A quick call to the ownership – “I’m devastated, gotta recover, it’s not about you” – and then ownership can say “We spoke, it’s an emotional time, I felt good about the conversation we had.” End.
Now it can play to some in Columbus’s organization, dressing room and fanbase as a prima donna and a reluctant Blue Jacket. “So I guess this is what they meant about him being a bad leader.” etc. etc.
by flyersfaninchicago on Jun 27, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I feel for both Carter and Richards.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Brief aside: Rick Nash is pretty much the man, right?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yep. I’d be excited to play with him if I were Carter.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I keep thinking about the Richards/Nash line in the Olympics, and Toews? I think that was the full line. It was beastly as all hell.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
Oh look, not such an immature, sulky fratboy after all…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Scott Howson had to fly to Sea Isle to meet Jeff Carter? Jeff Carter's such a fucking crybaby!
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What did I mess up?
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I’m guessing tmurder has his view set to narrow and he can’t see your whole comment. He’s missing out!
Yep. That’s it. I just checked it out. On narrow view, it cuts out right in the middle of “fucking.” I do everything through wide view, and you can see the whole comment perfectly on wide view.
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Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say that before. Lots of people don’t know you can switch, but I’ve never heard anyone prefer narrow.
Samsies.
Though I would guess it depends on computer screens. With mine, I prefer wide view so much more..
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With narrow you have to see more of the background advertisements though… Not sure if you remember this or not, but early in 2010 we had this one day (maybe two days) where the whole site was like plastered in KY ads, and if you switched to wide view they weren’t nearly as overwhelming. I don’t think I’ve even considered narrow view since then.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t remember that. But once you get down a ways like this comment there aren’t any ads anyway.
What can't Giroux do?
Somebody took screenshots…. Travis, maybe?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer narrow, but just for reference, how do you switch?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Upper right hand corner box—View Narrow or Wide. It’s just above the video box.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Thank you both – that was news for me as well.
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 28, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if she was Irish or Asian … she might.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Christ today’s been a long day
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions
4th of July coming up and having absolutely nothing to do at work has made it so.
by mantis toboggan on Jun 27, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve got a ton to do at work and zero desire to do it, mostly because “everything’s top priority! rush rush rush!”…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Seconded.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thirded. Of course it’s been like that for oh, a year and a half at least.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 28, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to believe this was a decision made by Paul Holmgren.
How so? Could you clarify?
Seems like Simmonds would have just been asked “What number do you want?”
What can't Giroux do?
That brings up a good question; were the players just assigned numbers by the front office or did the front office call them and ask which numbers they wanted? My assumption is the latter.
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And, as I would expect, knowing how athletes are, he wanted what he’s worn all along. I have to agree with tmurder here. I don’t think Homer plotted to have Simmonds take Carter’s old number. I hope Homer has better things to do.
by flyerboom_6 on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What's the big picture here?
Is there any way that Homer still has something up his sleeve? I would love to see Stamkos in orange and black, but don’t we still have to sign Voracek and Simmonds? Along with Leino, that would take away any of the space we had for Stamkos unless we dump more salary right? Help me out here guys and gals.
How dare you forget Jonathon Kalinski. When he steps on the ice he feels like he’s flying!
What can't Giroux do?
I also feel like I’m flying when I step on the ice. Or, more accurately, shortly after I step on the ice and shortly before I land on my ass.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
LOL
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Not surprising, since we assigned them numbers, but good to know. Any word on amounts?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I’m not sure on how qualifying offers work, but with my experience playing NHL11 (prepare for guessing) they get paid the same amount as their previous year’s salary? Where’s our experts
I’m not an expert, but I think if you make under $1M, you get a raise, and over $1M, you get the same. And bonuses don’t count, just your base salary. So Carcillo’s due last year’s salary and Sestito might get a slight raise over his base salary from last year.
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That is not correct. You can check capgeek which will tell you what any RFAs QO has to be.
What can't Giroux do?
Mind you the QO is just a formality, it allows the team to make sure the player retains RFA status on July 1st. If a QO is not filed properly then the player becomes a UFA on July 1st. The team and the player still negotiate a contract that has a minimum salary of the QO.
What can't Giroux do?
So both Simmonds and Voracek will be signed for much more than their QO then. I feel like this supposed cap space we have is dwindling.
The supposed cap space is always talked about by people who are failing to see the whole picture. People don’t realize the team needs a 13th forward and a 7th defensemen. They then usually fail to give fair deals for RFAs. Ultimately, the Flyers have enough room to fit under the cap with some space for injury call ups provided no large contracts are signed. There’s definitely not space for Stamkos or Richards like some think.
Voracek and Simmonds are expected to sign around the 2-2.5 mil range each.
What can't Giroux do?
The supposed cap space is always talked about by people who are failing to see the whole picture. People don’t realize the team needs a 13th forward and a 7th defensemen.
Are we talking about Homer again?
/rimshot
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Why is Carter so upset?
You know, they’ve told me that Columbus is a big college town…
I’m a Penn State guy but even I know those OSU girls are fine. He’ll be right at home.
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I guess if I have to be named after a drunk driver, being named Pelle isn't so bad.
by Pronger? I don't even know her! on Jun 27, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions
PSU guys, high fives!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And PSU girl
+5
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High fives all around…
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jun 28, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
by hintzy64 on Jun 27, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perry is probably in my top five TV characters of all time.
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I guess if I have to be named after a drunk driver, being named Pelle isn't so bad.
by Pronger? I don't even know her! on Jun 27, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously.
I mean, it was hilarious the first time. Funny the next. Then just started getting so so so old. Sean O’Donnell old. Chris Chelios old.
The guy’s not even a Flyer anymore. Can we give it a rest?
I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.
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SO I HEARD JEFF CARTER LIKES COLLEGE GIRLS LOLOLOLOL
kidding.
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by alcatraz0109 on Jun 27, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh dear, relax. I forgot the sarcasm font on the bottom of that message. That being said:
Another Sean O'Donnell age joke?
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I guess if I have to be named after a drunk driver, being named Pelle isn't so bad.
by Pronger? I don't even know her! on Jun 27, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If memory serves me right, the Flyers already have a 1st, 2 2nd and 2 3rd picks in next year’s draft.
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And the 2012 3rd round went to Phoenix for Bryz
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like everything that the forums here were yelling at the Flyers to do kind of happened. Kind of.
I don’t like our contract with fancy mister goaltender though, but hopefully the cap expands over the next few years ever so slightly each year as to make it more manageable. Before we toss all that money at our young talent.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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This was supposed to be a reply to TNBrando…
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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With a new CBA coming, you can actually expect the Salary Cap to go down next season, not up. The same happened after the Lockout, when the players were forced to take an across-the-board pay cut.
I’m sure the cap wouldn’t go down without the player’s making that same concession again. The League did negotiate that new TV deal which I would expect to drive next year’s league-wide earnings up. Also Winnipeg will sell a ton of merchandise and possibly more tickets than the Thrashers, which will help league revenues.
What can't Giroux do?
I wonder…have the Jets already sold more season tickets than the Trashers?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
League-wide earnings are up, as they actually were from the last year before the Lockout to the first year after the Lockout. In 2005, the players (got hosed) and agreed to take a 24% (!) pay cut across the board.
I wouldnt be surprised if there was a cut again, just not that high. If anything, there will not be any raise in the Cap in the near future.
I am guessing you are too young to remember August 1994.
Don Fehr is now the NHLPA Executive Director. A decline in the cap will not occur. I just hope that there will be a cap of some kind that is agreed to,
(Note: for those who would hope for no cap given the Flyers’ revenue stream, note that no cap would mean multiple teams in bankruptcy with all the headaches and bad rep the league would get. There is a reason no one was willing to take on infinite losses as an Atlanta Thrashers owner).
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To be honest now that the cap’s been in place for a number of years I wouldn’t like the Flyers to now win their cup just because half the other teams can’t keep up with their spending (like the teams that win the English Premier League). Obviously all hypotheticals but the Flyers winning a cup or building a dynasty under a salary cap system would be nice.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 27, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not too young to remember 1994, but with Bettman firmly in power now, I certainly don’t see the Cap rising any further and definitely not at the astronomical levels it has over the last 5 years.
Would anyone have guessed that the players would be pushed into accepting a 24% Pay Cut?
I can agree with the Cap not rising at the astronomical levels it has over the last 5 years.
It’s just not gonna happen. It reminds me of big box stores that expand expand expand only to realize later that they expanded too fast and have to close half their stores. Not that I’d be against contraction but that’s a different story. But would help with the cap problems.
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The League did negotiate that new TV deal which I would expect to drive next year’s league-wide earnings up.
I’m not sure this is true. The 2011-12 cap reflects the new TV contract. Increases from here will be natural growth (like in Winnipeg).
What might occur in the new CBA is a slightly higher rise at the top end, with the floor being a percentage instead of $16 M less.
FYI, all of this is moot if Don Fehr decides to go MLBPA-in-1994 on us.
/shudder
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Ok I thought the current year cap was based on the previous seasons revenues, not a combination of past and futures.
What can't Giroux do?
I think you are correct on that. It has to be based on the previous fiscal year’s revenue, not projected revenue, correct?
Usually, but they’re allowed to account for the new TV contract in this years cap because it’s not ‘projected’ revenue; they know the dollar amount of the increase. There’s a special little qualifier in the cap calculation formula there.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 28, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
only thing that bothers me is that I feel like an ass if I but another #17 jersey. My Carter is only 3 years old haha. Still, I think I’m gonna shell out for a Simmonds jersey before the season starts. My Caarste is useless and my Bobs is, well, my “backup” jersey now. But no, I couldn’t give a shit if Simmonds wears #17.
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Probably; but I wouldn’t be too surprised if it pains the people at Fan Gear to have to do it so soon.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Just go to a place that does lettering, see if they can remove the “Carter” nameplate and put on “Simmonds” . It’d be cheaper.
It’s things like this (the trades I mean) that always prevent me from getting jerseys. I was debating on getting either a Giroux or Richards jersey and was leaning more towards Richards…. and not to mention I was thinking of buying a Cutler jersey before that whole fallout started too.
I bought my black Ruchards jersey 3 years ago and dropped mad dime on it thinking it was a safe bet b/c he’d be a Flyer forever. Psyche. Now, the Pronger away jersey I bought last year is going to cost me too b/c I’ll want to swap the ‘A’ for the ‘C’ when that time comes.
by flyerboom_6 on Jun 27, 2011 10:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Me too. Powe was a hard worker and fun to watch.
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 27, 2011 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t care at all what number Powe wears.
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Cot damnet! I was reading news about Powe and typed Powe instead of Simmonds. Ugh.
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Sigh. I do care, a little.
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No for somebody choosing a new number, but okay for somebody already wearing 17
Honestly, if a new prospect we signed wanted 17 and hadn’t been wearing it before, I’d lean toward a moratorium for a year. But Simmonds has already been wearing it in LA, is this really a fair reason to him to make him change his number, especially if he’s attached to it? I don’t think it is, so I’m okay with it since he’s already been wearing it.
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Good point. Telling him to pick a new number could be interpreted as caring more about the guy who left the team than the guy who joined it.
Although I don’t really give a crap what numbers they wear. As long as it’s not something idiotic like my teammate who used to wear 68 and explain “69 and I owe you one”.
This. It’s not like the Flyers gave him 17. The conversation could have been something like this:
“So Wayne, you wore 17 back in LA didn’t you?”
“That would be right Paul”
“You wanna wear the same number down here?”
“Yeah I like the number 17, kinda attached to it”
“Yeah that’s cool, we’ll just give you that”
versus the alternative
“So Wayne, you wore 17 back in LA didn’t you?”
“That would be right Paul”
“You do know that this was Jeff Carter’s old number”
“Yes…”
“I’m afraid we don’t want to do Carts the disrespect of giving someone his number for a while”
“I was kinda attached to 17, had some great memories wearing it…”
“Yes Wayne but Jeff Carter was one of the faces of this franchise for the past 4 years”
“Yep I get that…”
“And he once scored 46 goals, second only to Ovechkin that year!”
“OK…”
“The fans loved Jeff Carter. They loved the number 17. I’m afraid you’re going to have to pick a new one”
“…”
“that’s alright Paul. I’ll go with 71 for something”
“OK great to see you understand. Now onto that contract. I think you could have a long and very productive future with our organization…”
Yeah nah.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 27, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The only problem with this is I doubt holmgren is the guy who discusses jersey numbers but it’s probably right on otherwise.
What can't Giroux do?
The only problem is this phrase right here:
The fans loved Jeff Carter.
The fans HATE CARTER! I’ve been one of his 5 supporters since 09. Most people were happy he was traded.
Samesis
Oh I’m sure Homer’s told a little white lie before to reassure a player.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 27, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yay! I am a part of a very special group of 5!
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You now know what it feels like to be a Phoenix supporter!
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 28, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been a Carter supporter my whole hockey loving career!
which hasn’t been long…but it has to count for something!
"Everyone wants to be THAT guy, but not everyone is willing to put himself, or knows how to put himself in that situation. A big part of it is not being afraid...of the moment, of falling." - Danny Briere
by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jun 27, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I could have sworn you hated Carter, weird. And I liked him.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Hmm, I’d be the sixth supporter of Carter to reply … maybe it was all a conspiracy of the media (TRAVIS) to make it look like everyone hated Jeff Carter and his silly goal-scoring-ness! That way they could justify running him and his most-useless, team-so-called-captain buddy Richards outta town snappy!
Or not. Maybe the ‘fans’ are the unitelligible rabble – the 700 level types – that tend to call in to WIP and scream “GO IGGLES” during hockey season. They may well indeed have hated Carter. Anyone who actually watched the sport – not so much.
Maybe it should read "reformedpenguinsfan" since I have retired my Lemeiux jersey ... and purchased an Orange and Black Pronger jersey.
by MaximumTalbot on Jun 28, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Carbomb out too?
Read somewhere else that they didn’t re-sign Carcillo today. That is probably an indication of the end here.
by flyerboom_6 on Jun 27, 2011 10:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, he didn’t get a qualifying offer.
I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.
Chem and Gus to the restaurant.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Jun 27, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Cillo stache is probably in mourning as we speak.
In preparation for NHL free agency, thinking of changing my screen name to Bhudde in 10OC.
Have we seen her today? Or is she emailing Travis (in vain, at least until he gets back) trying to change her user name?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 27, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was supposed to get back today……..
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He has a ridiculous bonus structure.
Finally, a contract I fear that wasn’t signed by Holmgren.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
It’s only the lack of a bonus cushion messing it up this year — most of those bonuses aren’t reachable. It will be very cheap after that.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
They aren’t released publicly. I forget where I heard the rumors that they are mainly scoring/trophy benchmarks (or, at least, benchmarks that won’t clear until an entire NHL year has elapsed).
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
It goes back to more than one interview with DL, where he specifically mentions that the bonuses were set up in a way that they were unlikely to be reached; and Schenn agreed because he wanted a contract that would allow him to break into the NHL more easily. No specific numbers were given, but I will hunt the exact post down again.
It’s really a standard contract structure for top picks in the draft. It’s just this no-bonus-cushion year that’s messing things up. Imagine if Boston had to deal with Seguin’s full cap hit last year, for example.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
^but to chime in with Snevik, all the bonuses I have ever heard of ELCs hitting had to do with trophies and scoring. E.g., Doughty reaching a certain number of goals.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
I can’t think of anything that would clear except for GP, so I guess my central point is that indications are that Schenn doesn’t have a large amount of his bonus tied to GP (i.e. we’re unlikely to clear much of his contract stashing him in the AHL half the season). Does that seem accurate?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
It's a reminder that "hockey is a business"
Here in Chicago, several new players skated out under beloved players #s this year — among them, John Scott, wearing Versteeg’s #32. It was like getting a secondary punch in the gut after they gutted the team — “Hey, not only is (x) not coming back, we gave his # away.” These players had been in Chicago 2-3 years – not as long as Carter, of course – but still, when a player gets closely identified with a number, it feels weird as a fan. (Some old-school fans in Chicago still hate seeing Morin skating wearing Roenick’s #27, but Roenick himself gave a thumbs-up to the younger Jeremy wearing it.)
- / Cup winner / 2010-11 player
5 – Brent Sopel – Jassen Cullimore
16 – Andrew Ladd – Marcus Kruger
32 – Kris Versteeg – John Scott
37 – Adam Burish – Brandon Pirri
I watched a bunch of Flyers games this season, and I kept forgetting Versteeg was wearing #10 this year. I’d hear the announcers say his name, and scan the ice… “Oh, duh, right, he’s 10 now…” Maybe he felt the same way when he looked at his jersey, who knows.
www.hockeybroad.com - Just because I'm female, doesn't mean I want my sports gear to be pink.
I dig your sig. I am a female fan who 100% supports your cause of no pink sports gear. Also, hate Milano’s whore wear, too. Can’t they just make men’s stuff to fit us?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I really think you and my wife would get along exceedingly well. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Perhaps this is the root of why you enjoy my musings here…? ;-P
OT, but I had irrationally hated Peyton Manning for the longest time, until I saw him on SNL and realized he looked and had the mannerisms of a boyfriend from college who I often refer to as “the abortion that lived”. Once I figured that out my irrational hatred went away and I could focus it all on rational hatred for his younger brother, lol.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I want things to wear that I won’t drown in, aren’t pink, and have no sparkles.
Really, NHL, is that so damn hard?
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Apparently. They really don’t cater too much to the female fan, do they? Even though I see lots and lots of female fans in the stands when I attend Flyers games.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
It’s like they’ve never done market research on female fans at all. Like we’re to blame for the narrow choices that exist.
Why not test the demand for regular fan apparel? It boggles my mind.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
It drives me crazy, too. It’d even be an improvement in my eyes if the options were available for women but distribution was slightly limited, ie, we’re going to make proper women’s jerseys but you can only get them online, or something, until they had better tested the market. It’d be better, at least.
However, when they jumped to the new Reebok edge jerseys all the sizes seemed to run even bigger, so now even more female fans I know have dropped into the kids sizes. So I’ll admit, I’m dragging you guys down because I can’t even wear the women’s stuff that they do market.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 28, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, baseball KILLS in this area. So much more female apparel and women’s sized jerseys. Of course, there are twice as many games, but the NHL is no slouch in the amount of games to which you can wear licensed apparel.
Lately, I’ve found some cool t-shirts and the like at Dick’s with Flyers logo on them, but a comfortable non-youth jersey is what I am after.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
so now even more female fans I know have dropped into the kids sizes.
True. This is a refuge. It is blameless.
But I got a retro Kings jersey as a gift, and you know, when I put it on, I look like I’m starring in a Frosted Mini Wheats commercial. I didn’t have the heart to break it to them. It cost more than a hundred dollars.
Like doubleh, I am more comfortable in shirts.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
It’s like they’ve never done market research on female fans at all.
I wonder if Bettman even knows what a woman is?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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