Paul Holmgren discusses Ilya Bryzgalov trade [Transcript]
Sorry it took so long for us to get an initial story up on the Ilya Bryzgalov trade tonight. Here I am thinking I can take a nice summer night off and enjoy the Phillies game, but then Paul Holmgren had to go and do this... anyway, thanks to Ben for taking care of business, and here's some extra reading for tonight. We'll have more tomorrow. - Travis
Paul Holmgren spoke to the media via conference call tonight about the acquisition of Ilya Bryzgalov. Topics discussed:
- Can they sign Bryzgalov, how much money does he want and at what term?
- Can they fit him under the salary cap?
- Does this spell the end of Ville Leino's time here?
- What about Sergei Bobrovsky's future in Philadelphia?
- How much would Bryzgalov play in a Flyers uniform? As in, how many games per year?
- Much, much more.
You can see Homer's full talk after the jump. Get ready for a lot of "we're trying to get better" quotes.
Q: Are you confident that you can sign Bryzgalov?
"We're going to give it our best shot. Obviously we gave up an asset to get a chance to get in early so we have every intention of trying our best to get a deal done."
Q: I spoke to Rich Winter yesterday for quite a while and he wants four or five years. Are you willing to go that far with Bryzgalov?
"Well, we'll see what we can do. He's certainly not an old goaltender. He's 30 or 31 years old. I feel like he's got a lot of good years left in him. We'll see how it goes. When you get into a negotiation like this, you're dealing with a salary cap, you try to get a number you can live with. We'll see."
Q: Would you have to part with one of your pieces up front in order to make this work and are you comfortable doing that?
"Well, once we know what the salary cap is going to be next year, we'll have a better idea what we need to do down the road. We have options. We'll just see how it goes."
Q: Do you think it's possible to sign Bryzgalov and Ville Leino, or if you sign Bryzgalov would it be almost impossible to re-sign Ville?
"I don't know Sam. Obviously we still have the intention of trying to sign Ville. With the salary cap, you can only do so much. We're trying to get the best team we can get to get ready for the 2011 season. We'll see how it goes. There's a lot of things that need to happen between now and July 1. We're going to see what we can do."
Q: Can he mentor Sergei Bobrovsky?
"I don't know him that well - in fact I hardly know him at all. Just from talking to some of our guys... when Chris Pronger and Sean O'Donnell played with him, he was a young kid behind [J.S.] Giguere. Some of the information we have on him from his days in Phoenix, it's all good. He's a team guy, and he must have gotten along pretty well with the guy who was playing behind him in Phoenix. I don't see an issue with that. I think the fact that they're both Russians probably would help."
Q: Do you ever know when you go into this what you're looking at in terms of money and length of contract?
"I probably don't know now. We have some ideas we'll bounce around... I'm sure Ilya's agent has some ideas of his own that he wants to bounce around. We'll see if we can get a deal done. We got our foot in the door now, we have some time to look at certain things and try to work through the issues and get a deal."
Q: Are you comfortable negotiating before the actual salary cap number for next season is known?
"I'm not sure it matters, Frank. We kind of have an idea what it is, we don't know the exact number but we do have an idea what it's going to be. Obviously because of our tagging space right now, I don't know that we could sign a guy right now, at this time - for the same reason we couldn't sign Ville at this time. We'll do what we can do, and as I continue to say, try to get a deal done. We didn't make this trade to acquire his rights just to try to hang around. We're going to try our best to get him signed."
Q: What's the conditional pick?
"I'm not going to talk about it just because it's a moot point right now, and when it happens, it happens. It's not a first round pick or a second round pick, so you can go from there."
Q: Is that the reason you did this now instead of waiting closer to the draft, so you do have the time to hammer out something?
"You never know what's going to happen. You gamble and wait till July 1, you don't know who else is involved. This gives us negotiating rights, which nobody else has. Is it an advantage? I don't know. At least we get first crack at it, and we'll see what we can do.
Q: What does this deal mean for Bobrovsky? Do you still see him as the goalie of the future?
"I don't know. We'll see if we can get a deal done with Ilya. I still think the world of Sergei and I think he's one of the top young goalies in our game. Having said that, and again as I said at the end of the year, we continue to try to make our team better. Right now the position we've put ourselves in, negotiating with Ilya, if we can get him signed, it'll make our team better."
Q: There's been a perception outside the organization for years that the flyers haven't invested a lot in goaltending. Inside the organization, does that end the discussion if you sign him, that you have made an investment in goaltending?
We're trying to get better, as we try to do every year. Our idea is to put ourselves in the position to win the Stanley Cup. We haven't really had an opportunity to talk to Ilya's agent yet. Once we get the ball rolling there, we'll see if we can get him signed. If we do, I think we'll have one of the best goaltending tandems in the league. I feel confident in saying that, anyway.
Q: What interests you about Bryzgalov?
"Well, you look at how he played not only when he was in Anaheim, but the last few years in Phoenix, I think he's probably one of the reason, probably the biggest reason why they became a playoff team the last two years, with his play in the regular season. I know last season he and his team took Detroit to seven games in a hard-fought series, and this year was obviously not as good for Phoenix in the playoffs, but he's one of the better goalies in the league. You can make the argument that he's among the top 10 goalies in the league, if not higher. We're happy to get this opportunity to talk to him early and we're going to try our best to get him signed."
Q: Ed Snider was pretty adamant that he didn't want to go through another season like this again with the goalies. How much did that weigh in on this?
"We put a lot of pressure on ourselves to field a good team. We want to win a Stanley Cup. We're trying to make ourselves better in all areas. We're going to give it our best shot."
Q: Are you comfortable exceeding the salary cap once it's announced, like you did last year?
"We'll see, Frank. It's not a comfortable spot to be in. The more you get into the summer, the more difficult it becomes to move money. We'll see how it goes."
Q: You said you could not sign Bryzgalov until the new cap is announced - is that correct?
"Unless we made some kind of a deal."
Q: In the past you've had success doing this obviously with Kimmo and Scott Hartnell, and it didn't quite work out last year with Dan Hamhuis. What point in your mind do you say we have to get this done or move on to something else, or do you not worry about that at this point?
"I'm not really too worried about it right now. I think we have some time. Ideally before you get to the Draft, you'd like to know if you have a deal in place, and then we'll see what we can do at the draft in order to - if we need to make some adjustments or whatever. As long as we sense over a period of time that we're making some progress, I don't feel uncomfortable going late into June 30."
Q: Is it the goal to do this and keep the team, at least the core players, intact?
"[We have some] good pieces that you need to win a Stanley Cup. In acquiring Ilya, we have an opportunity here to negotiate a contract and get him signed sort of ahead of other teams that might have had those same ideas in mind. So we'll see what we can do. If we can agree to a deal, and then necessary adjustments in order to get him in the salary cap, I think we'll still have a good team - if not better.
Q: If you're able to sign him, do you think he'll have a good impact on Bobrovsky?
"I would assume he had a good relationship with his [other] goaltender in Phoenix. From what I can gather talking to Chris Pronger and Sean O'Donnell about his time in Anaheim, he was sort of behind Giguere when they won the Stanley Cup. He was in a little bit of a different role, but he was a good kid, certainly no issues that we hear of with the guy. He's a good goalie, and I think the fact that they're both Russian can't hurt.
Q: When Ilya was in Phoenix he had a pretty significant workload. Do you see him doing that here or do you think you can pare that down just a little bit?
That's one of those things that you play by ear. I've said numerous times, that I really like Sergei and that he's got a really bright future as a Flyer, so we don't want to lose track of that. Having said that, if we can sign Ilya, he's a guy that is used to the workload. So there's a little bit of give and take there. He played 70 in Phoenix... maybe he can play 65 here with I assume easier travel than they have in Phoenix, maybe he can play more than 70. We'll just play that as it goes if we can accomplish what we need to accomplish and get him signed. First things first right now - we'll deal with that later.
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This whole thing is making me nervous. But then again, I’m usually pretty stressed out until August anyway.
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Yeah the use of “we’ll see” by Homer keeps driving down my confidence. “we’ll see” to me means they have no clue how we are going to work this…..
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Hey Norm, if you were a hot dog would you eat your self??
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 8, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
This. In other posts in other threads I’ve called Homer a “collector of good players” This works fine until you have to make emergency moves to get under the cap in order to pay for your new toys (Katchis would be happy to weigh in here).
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But, but, that makes me useless around here…
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 8, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
But if people wanted to stay ignorant about the CBA, so they didn’t have to think about this stuff…. gosh, what would I talk about?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 8, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey I always like your CBA talk since I am lazy (well no time really) and wouldn’t look it up my self… Its defiantly appreciated!!
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Thanks.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 8, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it too late to do a BSH Book Club this summer where you assign sections of the CBA for us to read and lead discussion?
The CBA FAQ is being written at full speed at the moment. Expect the first few segments as FanShots at the end of the week.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 8, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what’s funny. Geoff’s the lawyer, but I talk CBA stuff. I’m the math major, but I don’t write about stats….
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jun 8, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
hahaha, that is hysterical.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 8, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. This is completely ad hoc. DG, Geoff, Travis, even me have a better view of the Cap. I’d say it was Homer just trying to blow smoke at the media except for the fact (1) He doesn’t know Bryz and hasn’t talk to his agent, etc. (2) Sounds like Bob may be thrown under the bus (3) 65 games. Are you serious????
RE: #2. One way to “fix” this is to trade something untradable, like Briere and Hartnell, and throw something desirable in, like Bob. We will all be extremely angry at Homer if that occurs.
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Travis:
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Seriously, what the hell was that shit tonight?
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 8, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
“Negotiations with Bryzgalov broke down because the Russian goalie wanted to not only be a top-paid goalie in the NHL, but one of the top-paid players, according to an NHL official who requested anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to release the information.”
… i wonder how we are going to afford him
"fortune favors the bold"
If true, I’m going to go with “we aren’t” and this will be another Dan Hamhuis/Nabokov situation.
by PowerOfBauer on Jun 8, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think most of that was him basically telling Phoenix “I don’t really want to play here, so if you want to keep me you need to pay me $9 million per year” knowing they would never offer that much.
But yeah, if he’s actually hoping for that kind of a payday I don’t see how we can sign him
If he’s actually hoping for that kind of a payday I don’t want to see him in O & B.
/adjusted to my perspective
by Georgia_Flyer on Jun 8, 2011 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This gives us negotiating rights, which nobody else has. Is it an advantage? I don’t know. At least we get first crack at it, and we’ll see what we can do.
We paid at least a third rounder for something Homer has done many times, and he doesn’t know if it’s an advantage.
This is the part where I hope Homer is blowing smoke at the media. Otherwise, yikes.
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Even if he’s blowing smoke, why is he doing that? There’s no tactical advantage to withholding simple statements like “Yes, I feel like an exclusive negotiating window gives us a better idea of the demands for top-end talent, so that even if we can’t sign these players we have a better idea of the market.”
But if the answer is really “I can’t negotiate on an open market,” that’s the worry.
You know, about that editor’s note up there Travis, you’ve got 7 people on the masthead and the main NHL page to run; you don’t have to take care of everything. You should get to take a night off once in a while instead of being chained to your laptop.
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But it’d be nice if he informed us. Problem was, his phone died.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 8, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. I need a new phone. Thing doesn’t even last 10 hours at this point.
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by Travis Hughes on Jun 8, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Now a post from this morning may be prescient
JpH89 proposed this trade in the fly-by:
So say we trade Carter for the 8th pick, Upshall, and Calvert/Filatov. Would you be opposed to that?
Maybe not Upshall (he’s UFA anyway). But this feels way more credible now. Or maybe throw in rights to Leino and others to Columbus and get rights to Upshall back. Or maybe getting multiple picks.
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Understood and agreed. But the general trade parameters make more sense if we really do sign Bryz.
FYI: NOT saying I like this.
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That entire last question basically reads to me like “we’ll sign him, then we’ll determine whether we needed to trade to acquire the rights to a goaltender who can play 65+ games”.
That’s ass-backwards logic.
Mourning Gagne forever.
If he’s playing more than 70 and Bob’s getting less than 12 starts a season……
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 8, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope this isn’t the end of Flyers moves. I feel there needs to be a big shakeup on the lines. Our defense should be fine, in theory, if they work their ass off in the offseason. I really, really want to be able to sit Pronger without worrying about the team collapsing.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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I hate being one of these guys but
After reading the answers for the first ten questions I just skimmed. Everything seemed to be “I don’t know” or “We’ll see”. Homer really gave me nothing here it was as if I didn’t read anything at all.
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Well this pretty much seals the deal on someone. Hartnell Versteeg or Carter is gonna be gone at the draft. That’s the only way they can even think of signing him
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