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Part of me wants them to succeed but another part of me will be somewhat bitter if they win the whole thing. I just can’t root against a team with Ron Hextall somewhere on their payroll. This is easier though then when he was in goal for Quebec or the Isles. Adding Gags and Richards is just a couple more kicks to the groin. Ow.

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I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually, if the Flyers don’t win the cup then I sure as hell hope it’s the Kings. Or the Aves but that isn’t happening anytime soon with the way they are run.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

in no particular order:
Devils
Anaheim
St. Louis
Buffalo

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

You want to see the Devils win a cup?

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a big fan of Boring.

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
@boknows71

by boknows71 on Jul 19, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Narrative! ILWT told me so!

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t listen to their lies! they didn’t have a cup ruthlessly stolen by Gary Bettman!

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

My new goal for today (or sometime this week): find a stat to prove the Devils are boring.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a nice goal but you don’t need a stat. That’s already based in fact.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, there was a big debate about it on Japers’ Rink sometime last season and someone looked at total shots in a game and maybe total scoring chances, I think. I don’t remember exactly but basically the conclusion was that there is less offense in a NJD game than in other games. I’m sure you are shocked.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well then don’t tell me it’s narrative!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

10 less goals and it would have been the second-lowest goals per game season of all time.

Now i think a couple 30s teams, some crappy blackhawks cold war teams, and the expansion florida panthers have them beat i think.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

that 10 should be a 12 as some stupid DPE Wild team put up exactly 2 Goals/gm.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think a photo of pie man will suffice?

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look! It’s all four of them!

"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."

by Mike B on D on Jul 19, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I see is broken link.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a picture of all 4 Devils fans surrounded by empty seats. Like a home game or Stanley Cup celebration.

"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."

by Mike B on D on Jul 19, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh they sure know how to abandon ship. That’s what happens when your team plays in Newark. What a hole.

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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My closest friends from school were both Devils fans, and one of them actually came up to me during last year and said, “ya know, if the Devils don’t win, I’d like to see Philly win the Cup, your team reminds me a lot of the Devils in the late 90s early 2000’s”

So now I pull for New Jersey among other teams

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would have told him to take that back before your forced to strike him.

personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.

Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT

by 02h32m01s on Jul 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too. This is unacceptable.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering half of my family is from central Jersey, I accept it

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I respectfully reserve the right to grumble at any mention of the Devils that doesn’t involve mocking them.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Toss their fans in there too. Those poor guys are lonely and need the attention.

"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."

by Mike B on D on Jul 19, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s no excuse. Those are fighting words.

"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."

by Mike B on D on Jul 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

ehhhh, I’m not bothered

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s amusing that we’re so bothered by your not being bothered.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its the Devils…

personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.

Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT

by 02h32m01s on Jul 19, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

the Devils don’t bother me. Scott Stevens would’ve been loved in this city if things were different

The Pens I will always hate

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t entirely hate the Devils myself either. But I will never root for them to win anything.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I can. Thus the difference between you and I

I’ll also add this to the list of Stephen King books read

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I entirely hate them. My mom’s side is from Butler and my Dad’s side is from Pompton Lakes. I can’t stand the Devils.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the current Flyers remind me of the 90’s and early 2000 Devils at all. Actually, I would have to agree with what UB said, I don’t think I could take that as a compliment.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He meant it from the bruising blue line perspective

and yes I did take it as a compliment, because the Devils did a lot with little. They had a system that took the most talented team and shut them down

That’s how I can sit here and say I can root for the Devils

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its like a crazy homeless man wearing yack-skin chaps and saying “Hey! I Love Your Pants!”

personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.

Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT

by 02h32m01s on Jul 19, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I basically only hate Boston. Only team I’ve ever hated with a passion

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Jul 19, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry, as you get older you will start to hate way more than just Boston.

personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.

Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT

by 02h32m01s on Jul 19, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or the Aves

Would that be the New Orleans Ave Marias?

Bob.

by The Dark on Jul 19, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any stock in this?

According to the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Sam Carchidi a source within the organization has told him that Chris Pronger will be named the teams captain. Along with Pronger, Danny Briere and veteran defensemen Kimmo Timonen will be alternate captains.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Spent $95 at the blowout

I’ve been away so sorry if it’s been confirmed or rebutted. On another note I did well at the blowout sale on Saturday. 5 shirts (4 short sleeve/1 long), 2 weatherproof Antigua jackets, hoodie, mug, shot glass, flip flops and blank black practice jersey for $95. Yay.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the Gear...

I want one of those Recycle Flyers T’s… that is awesome.

personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.

Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT

by 02h32m01s on Jul 19, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were $5 each (the t’s!) The shirt is actually made from 100 percent recycled fibers (supposedly.) The lady at the checkout wanted the one on the bottom right (Old Tyme Hockey shirt with the logo in the background and “Philadelphia” in orange block letters.) She was mad she didn’t see it because the employees got first pick of the litter.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now I want it more… Hippy parents rubbing off on me in subtle ways.

personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.

Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT

by 02h32m01s on Jul 19, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

100% Recycled fibers and......

Countless goalie contracts, days worth of Carter and Upshalls tears, Richards faith stability, Gagnes home, and the hearts of thousands of Flyers fans

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ittsburgh
bread. butter. cheese. VICTORY!

by Prometheus74 on Jul 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was worried when I put that shirt on I’d become a Snider/Homer hybrid (or just completely agree with every move they’ve ever made.) Now I’m really scared.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well if it is true, it isn’t a shock at all. Though I will say that it’s interesting that they decided not to include any of the younger guys in the leadership group.(Giroux, JVR, Carle, Coburn) etc.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet G starts off the year with an A while Pronger recovers from injury.

by Derek F on Jul 19, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

JAGR WITH AN A.

Because it wouldn’t be the most absurd thing to happen to the Flyers this offseason.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe. However, I don’t know that any of them have really shown any leadership abilities, skills. Just because a guy is awesome doesn’t mean he would make a good leader. That’s not to say they can’t, or haven’t, just that I haven’t seen it myself, but I am certainly not in the lockeroom.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as Hartnell doesn’t get an A.. He’ll fall down another 10 times admiring it on his jersey in-game.

by Derek F on Jul 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

The weight of the stitching will throw him off balance even more.

"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."

by Mike B on D on Jul 19, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now that’s what I was wondering. I just didn’t see it actually confirmed anywhere else.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you want to give letters to the Flyers young tradable assets.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

hah, that makes me sad.

by Derek F on Jul 19, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

So the player feels secure. Then they can be linked to trade rumors, told to their face that they aren’t true and then traded to the plains of Iowa for a prospect and a pick.

The Flyers Way.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Ouch.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure anyone off the street could have told you they would be the three captains.

by Derek F on Jul 19, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not much of a stretch to think Pronger will be named captain, to be honest.

"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."

by Mike B on D on Jul 19, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to nitpick

but is the FGSB picture legitimate, or supposed to be funny

if it’s legitimate, I want that minute of my life back

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I think they took some liberties with Czech players, but it took you a minute to click that?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the only thing that shows up for me is North America with 15 players, and Europe with 10 players, that’s it. I suppose the censored computer I am on would have a hand in severely inhibiting my ability to view the full post

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all I see too.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Jul 19, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all I see three!

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.

by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is the same time we’ve ever shared the same viewpoint on something. You might want to go into the shower and wash off this feeling

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

first*

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I attributed the 10 to USSR, but I could be wrong.

I spent about 20 seconds on that post originally.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

even considering what you say, I consider it a pretty “meh” post. I would’ve done a population bubble style post, where the bubble gets largwer if there are more players from a certain area, like what they do in voting

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m offended you don’t like a post I linked to.

Let me go cry now.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. I thought you were going to post some statistics telling me how it was actually a good post, and that my confirmation bias blinded me, taking away my ability to see the post as valuable

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would, but you would just read what you wanted to read, thus confirming your confirmation bias and ignoring the truth I preach.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Corsi relative to how much I give a shit

this stat has potential

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, how do you get away with claiming you work 10 hour days? I want the secret!

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

i go through stretches. There a periods of time (located at the end of the day) that for the last 3 hours I am extremely productive. The mornings are just slow for me

that and no matter how many times I ask my boss to give me a deadline, he just says “whenever you can get it done by”

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget to track your cushy zone starts. Your Corsi Rel doesn’t look as impressive when you see how easy your job is.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn Geoff, that singed by ass haires a little

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha, you said you and Don needed to improve your banter, I figured we did too.

Too much?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah, I prefer fire. And yeah, you’re right, my job is a bit on the easy side. What makes it difficult is that it is heavily monotonous, and I basically amount to a janitor who has to clean up a year’s worth of mistakes. Plus, just parking everyday shaves a dollar off my salary, then there’s gas

Yes my job is cushy, but it’s monotonous and really requires someone to usher through the monotony

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly know nothing about your job other than the pain in the ass commute you take on 95.

The rest sounds like hell

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

10 minute commute FTW

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

6 miles of country backroads past cows, cornfields, forests and a lovely little stream. And I always end up behind some jackass who’s afraid to go faster than 20… [grumble]

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing worse than getting stuck behind someone on a one lane road.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’d think I’d just slow down and enjoy the scenery, but goddammit I have places to BE!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, and more importantly, driving fast down those roads is far more fun.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t slow down and take in the scenery either. I like to get to my destination as soon as possible. That isn’t to say that I go 20 over the speed limit but rather, I hate stopping for any reason other than to get gas.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one beats my commute.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stay at home mom?

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, I read it the other way, as “nobody has a worse commute than me”. I was about to post about my 45-mile (each way) commute past three bridges (each a major source of backup), at rush hour, on a major freeway.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Work from home. Just roll out of bed and there’s my office.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the way to do it. Hard to beat that schedule.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but the work never goes away, unfortunately. Takes a special kind of obsessive-compulsive person to dedicate yourself to working and not just say “Eff it, I’m just going to watch MLB Network all day”.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or “eff it, I’m going to be on SBN all day.”

I guess whether work goes away depends on the job. I work from home mostly and work definitely ends at the end of the day.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or "eff it, I’m going to be on SBN all day."

What does that have to do with whether you work at home?

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, just that I know there won’t be a co-worker looking over my shoulder. (But if the IT people ever check my computer activity…)

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s not so much hell, it’s in fact very easy. Just sheer volume makes it a bear

what’s most frustrating is that I could go in monday and pick up my work materials for the week and stay at home and work on them as I see fit, but they weren’t too cool with that idea

It is what it is

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Monotonous, cleaning up mistakes, paying for parking, and gas.

Brutal.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

but hey, as much as I complain, a Pedro Cerrano and Adam Goldberg jersey beg to differ

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cerrano is the man.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

it keeps me sane. Also working here I’ve had to get acclimated with things I’d never used before, like paypal, amazon etc

it’s been a learning experience

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t have tears.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

i knew I shouldn’t have watched that Gagne video, you know.

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Jul 19, 2011 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn you’re up early.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or just up late? Thank you google clock.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, late. Just because

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 19, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geoff, big link fail. That last one doesn’t open in new window. FOR SHAME!

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Jenn took her first learn to skate class last night. Be afraid Kreider, be very afraid.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pst, Ben did that one.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calling out your co-editors, Jeffie?

What a dick.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, it said as much right in the effing bullet! I’m calling out Shaun for reading comprehension.

So, I guess that’s still calling out my co-contributors, but… he’s further to the right in the columns of supremacy.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was something written by Ben, originally. That’s what the intro makes it seem like.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It does make it sound like something Ben wrote. Misleading title fail.

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ben writing for NHL.com? Unless it’s a treatise on the Latvian Hockey Team, I don’t think he’s going to write anything.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s next?! Who wants some??

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well yeah, THAT doesn’t make sense.

But until you look at the link, the “From the desk of” is an expression commonly used to denote authorship.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. But it’s Ben, so clearly someone put something on his desk, and he just moved it along.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of feel bad for Ben toda.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

today*

(We really need an edit button…)

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Pushing paper, yo.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Jul 19, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

And everyone is missing the point. Carle has a new official nickname. Run with it, people.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Jul 19, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

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Just appreciate the content. Ahem.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Jul 19, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm seriously laughing out loud here...

From DGB’s column:

2010 – After several intense hours, Jonathan Toews wins the staring contest when the Cup blinks first.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I liked that one a lot too.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

That, and the Marty St. Louis one.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve always envied MSL’s real day with the cup.

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by boknows71 on Jul 19, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

In case you never saw it

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by boknows71 on Jul 19, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of all people, statisticians are aware of their sample size; a statistician that attempts to make definitive, over-arching statements with small samples is what you would call a bad statistician.

Except when your own guys do it…

If you’re not concerned with backing up your statements, if you’re so full of yourself that you assume people will view your opinion as an expert opinion not to be questioned, then by all means make definitive statements based on your observation (which, incidentally, is a VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE).

So if you just cite stats and think they should be viewed as expert opinion and not questioned, is that any better?

Corsi wasn’t established as a valuable statistic with a small sample size; it’s been vetted and adopted by some of the best hockey statisticians out there, including Gabe, Tom Awad (who used it to develop his Delta metric), JLikens, Vic Ferrari, Derek Zona, Jonathan Willis, Rob Vollman, and countless others for whom I’ve not the energy to find examples.

So because a lot of people who you already agree with said it, it must be true? How is that not a bit of confirmation bias as well?

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Are you picking a fight?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, mostly recycling the debate we had on Japers’ yesterday about it. I just don’t see why stats people think they are immune from confirmation bias and why they are so willing to overlook small sample conclusions they’ve published under their own name. Gabe (Neuvirth is legitimately below average based on half a season) and Zona (Jordan Staal is carrying the Pens!) both put up crap pieces in the last year based on really small samples, but then they are in the pantheon of statisticians listed later on. I’m sure they weren’t the guys the author meant to call out, I just think so much of what comes from over there is hypocritical self-congratulatory crap. I liked BtN a lot more when it was just stats that we could look at, and a lot less when they tried to start telling us what the numbers definitively meant. I see no humility or acknowledgment that they haven’t found Truth.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think stats people say stuff like that because they are used to other stats people calling them out for it for the most part. It’s more of a self policing community in general IMO. However, Gabe could probably benefit from being re-socialized.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Both the guys mentioned are awfully quick to call you stupid if you disagree with them.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 19, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Gabe has called people stupid for things he has written, either before or after he called them stupid. He posted twice that the Wild control shot quality against while conceding more shots against total. But if you want to say that, good luck. He was very condescending to people that didn’t think QComp stats were very meaningful, but recently he has said “well they are good if you compare teammates but they breakdown across teams and positions.” It’s great that he’s reached that conclusion, it’s not so great that he was a prick to people who reached that conclusion before he did.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

However, Gabe could probably benefit from being re-socialized.

I only mentioned one, and I said as much.

That said, most of the community is willing to listen to critiques and suggestion as long as they further the discussion. Most isn’t all. And Gabe isn’t above policing, but I’d agree he shuts it out from the majority, and only listens to a select few, which, IMO, is a disservice to himself.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he cares about most people’s opinions, so I doubt he’d consider it a disservice. I will say that his attitude and behavior has kept me from reading his blog as much as I otherwise would and it has led to me completely ignoring his comments section. I was really excited when BtN came to SBN, I thought it would be great. Then I engaged Hawerchuk in discussion, and read along as others did the same.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that’s why I said in my opinion, as in I feel he is doing himself a disservice.

That’s a shame you let that happen. If I cut back on reading at places where comments and contributors pissed me off, I wouldn’t spend much time on the internet.

And it also drives me nuts that Gabe’s attitude has somehow tainted a lot of the stats community as people that will call you dumb and not listen. There are assholes in every community, and the asshole rarely represents the personality of the community as a whole.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but he’s the Godfather and they fall lock step with him. Even Dirk Hoag published his piece basically asking permission to call into question QComp! Gabe isn’t just any member of the community.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, okay then, they all have Gabe cloned personalities. Seriously, I get it, you hate Gabe, his attitude, and the effects it has, but seriously…

You are missing the huge point here, did Hoag do the work, and publish the piece? Because if so, then it’s progress, it’s moving the community/science/math forward. If you want to be hard headed about it fine. Clearly there are assholes in the stats community, clearly some of them have a holier than thou attitude, but none of that stops the progress, and it doesn’t prevent self policing. Just because you don’t want to engage it, doesn’t mean someone else won’t. This is how these types of things tend to evolve; look at big splits in science, math, economic theory etc. Someone leads the way, creates/discovers/theorizes something, it produces people that will follow blindly, reject blindly, and everyone in between. Those people in between continue to do the work that continues to move that science forward.

It’s humanity. “They” don’t all fall lock step with them because you don’t know everyone that encompasses “they”.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glad you came around.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Back to my initial point, that the “stats” community in general is far more self policing than the “stats lie, I saw it with my eyes” community IMO. I tend to think that mostly for the reason that the stats community has ammunition to police with.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

And frankly, if I were to say Gabe’s work had a mistake, and I was commenting about it, I wouldn’t be commenting about it for Gabe’s sake, but for the other readers’ sake (which is something I think that might get lost on you in your Gabe rage).

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it’s not lost, but that’s why I limit to the discussion on Japers’ Rink or places like here where there is actually constructive discussion. I get the self-policing aspect, but I think it’s harder to define the “eyes” community. They aren’t unified in the same way so it’s not really even a community.

And my discussion is basically limited to the comments section on SBN sites run by stats people. I know Puck Prospectus articles go back and forth and they write articles in response to each others’ theories/findings. But when the proles get involved that “scholarly” discourse dissipates quickly, IMO.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree with anything here.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even Dirk Hoag published his piece basically asking permission to call into question QComp!

I didn’t read it that way at all — and I think that’s unfair to Dirk Hoag.

For BtN in general, I think part of the problem is that a ton of sports fans are knee-jerk dismissive of stats and engage in name-calling right off the bat if they don’t like the very idea of them. I can only imagine how much hatemail he receives. So instead of repeating calm posts that give a lot of links to the studies they’ve done over and over (and over) he can come off as exasperated and bitter.

So I just keep that in mind. There’s a lot of good stuff there that shouldn’t be ignored.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, and I get value from that stuff. I just let it filter through Knee High and some of the other statistically inclined commenters on Japers’ Rink. I don’t bother going to the source all that much.

I’m not trying to be unfair to Dirk, I think he does great work, which is why I was surprised he was so cautious with his results. It seemed to me like he was waiting for someone else to say “yeah, that’s ok, we see the same thing.”

And I don’t see how it’s any better for Stats people to immediately think they are being attacked by idiots whenever they see any sort of push back on their claims. If you have links to explain things, just provide them. But not providing them and then acting as if someone is stupid for not reading them is weak sauce. I’m well aware of the knee-jerk claims, but if you aren’t being confronted with a knee-jerk reaction, then don’t respond as if you are.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know you value stats. I just think the comments can be valuable too. Particularly because I started reading BtN a year and a half ago, and that’s like starting to overhear a conversation that’s already been in progress for a while. I like finding extra links.

It’s frustrating how much easier it is to research a scholarly article, though, because everything is properly sourced with citations and footnotes. I’ve been bookmarking every link to every post I possibly can find, and I’m still learning things, and still trying to figure out the way everyone’s thinking evolved. But that’s the way it is.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

The discussion is what takes SBN to the next level, IMO. I love discussing things, obviously, and I’ve learned a ton from arguing with people I don’t agree with.

I definitely know what you mean about feeling like you are jumping into a discussion mid-stream and I wish there were easier archives to find the things you need to. I also have a ridiculous bookmark list on my laptop because I end up going back to the same places so frequently.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

The discussion is what takes SBN to the next level, IMO.

Completely agree. The articles are of some interest, but I doubt I would’ve even become a regular reader if it was just the articles. The comments sections are the key.

As long as I’m on the topic, I’ll use the opportunity to remind everyone that they should always ask when they have a question about the stats. Speak up! If you’re confused, lots of other people are too, and the comments help sort out the confusion and avoid it next time.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s good that there are ambassadors.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but I also don’t like making excuses for some of the responses he posts on that site. Some are totally uncalled for, granted it’s his site and he puts up with a lot ore crap than I ever will, but that doesn’t make that stuff okay.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see it as making excuses so much as putting it in context. I wish there was a more open and friendly way open to rank beginners. But I can’t require anyone else to do anything.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know it’s context, but

So instead of repeating calm posts that give a lot of links to the studies they’ve done over and over (and over) he can come off as exasperated and bitter.
came off as apologetic to me. Maybe I misunderstood what you were getting at, I just hate to see some of the comments that have been made there by the godfather as justified. He used to walk to the deep end, now he just throws an atom bomb in to it.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I think referring to him as ‘the godfather’ is a bit much, but so what? I don’t know why what does or does not constitute an apology is so important here.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just figured I had said Gabe enough, so I would steal F&B’s term. I agree that it’s over the top, but I got sick of typing Gabe.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, well. It seemed pretty dismissive and heated.

I explained what I try to bear in mind when I read that stuff — and I dislike the same stuff that irritates you. As I said before, I wish things were different. But no one has to think the way I do. It’s just the way I approach it.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just assumed you read through my discussion with Fehr and Balanced, I’m largely in agreement with you, I just stole the term godfather from F&B as tongue and cheek.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the term is pretty tongue in cheek, to be clear.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure what happened. I was largely in agreement with Niesy, except for the context of Gab’es shortness (because I feel he has gone well beyond deserving context in some of his responses).

I need to not assume people have read every line of the discussion before they post a reply to just a single post in that discussion. It’s a horrible thing to assume since it’s not required.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read the entire comment thread. Calling him ‘the godfather’ seemed dismissive in the context that no one dares question him and is hasty to kiss his ring (like the comment about Hoag).

I thought it was weird that I had to explain my point twice. Maybe I didn’t have to.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think he has a cadre of people that don’t question him and run to his defense when challenged. The term is actually more dismissive of some of the regular commenters there than it is of Gabe. He does some quality work, though I think his conclusions are frequently overly broad and I have a well-documented distaste for the way he conducts himself.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I am surprised you didn’t bring up what you thought of the Godfather reference when it was initially posted by F&B then, knowing that I just ripped it from an earlier post from him. And further, why you used it as a response to me just trying trying to get clarification while explaining where I was coming from and admitting I may have misunderstood what you meant.

Thought that it would have been evident that I just ripped it off as tongue and cheek, especially with my last sentence in that comment. I just don’t understand why you seemed so offended by my comment.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, this is how it went to me: you say you agree but you don’t like making excuses, I explain that I don’t really see it as an excuse, you quote a sentence of mine saying that it seemed apologetic, and that you “hate to see some of the comments that have been made there by the godfather as justified.”

I’m thinking: well, it’s my position, why is he questioning it over and over? And I don’t view it as an apology, but so what even if it was? They think he’s a godfather figure, I don’t. Maybe I’m just not as angered by him as they are.

I’m not taking offense at your comment so much as getting frustrated by the total breakdown in communication by the end of it.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here’s where you lost it:

They think he’s a godfather figure
I don’t. I thought by reading this, that would have been obvious for you.

The other problem is that you seemed to miss me admitting I could have misinterpreted that sentence I quoted, or at least chose to focus more on the other ones around it and misinterpreted what I was saying. I wish you had focused in on the, “I just” in front of "hate to see some of the comments…", meaning, apart from what you are saying (since I may have read it wrong) that’s something I don’t like to see and why I initially responded to your comment. It’s a common thing said in Gabe’s defense, and I don’t think everything he says deserves that defense, it was my opinion, isolated, not a persecution of yours.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

you seemed to miss me admitting I could have misinterpreted that sentence I quoted

I didn’t miss it. I just wondered how you came to that interpretation after the previous explanation. My whole line of comments was explaining how I didn’t view it as an excuse.

I don’t think your earlier comment made it clear how you were using the godfather term, either. But I guess we can just say we entirely misunderstood each other and leave it at that.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew my first sentence needed more snark in my response to F&B.

Sorry if I missed your entire line of comments, my initial response to you was a response to your initial post on this thread.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s ok. I needed to be more clear. Just to spell it out: when I get irritated by that sort of thing on BtN I try to bear the hatemail in mind and realize that everyone’s human and no one is perfect. And that I probably wouldn’t be able to stand the kind of mail he gets either. So I try to shrug that off and not let it deter me from reading the posts or comments.

I still wish it were different.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually agree with that, completely, I’d be the same way.

The reason why I said I hate hearing it a lot is because I’ll talk to Geoff away from the site and occasionally, if there was a recent blow up on BtN, it’ll come up. And the first thing that is said is, “well he has to put up with a lot of crap”, but then we talk about how harsh some of the things he says are, and we back off of that reasoning. So I just get irked hearing it because, one you hear it every time someone brings up his attitude, and two because some of the things he says, or his approach, if he just took 1 breath, could be so much more tactful.

I know that I didn’t explain that at all or give you the background, but that’s where I am coming from; basically almost complete agreement with you, except that I think people over use it as an explanation, and that he sometimes he uses it as an excuse to be unnecessarily short with people.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I see that completely. I think of it as empathy and not necessarily absolution, but there’s a lot of overlap in the arguments.

I try to have the same kind of empathy for people like the Hockey Wilderness guy who are quick to shout NERDS! Because maybe the us vs. them stuff is a self-perpetuating cycle. One of the main points (I think) that he felt really strongly about was that Havlat, for reasons beyond the stat sheet, wasn’t working in Minny, and there is plenty to support that (Havlat talking about his lack of motivation, the fights with Koivu, etc). He could have defended the trade without slagging all stats people. And I can even feel bad that he’s missing out on what could have been a pretty productive conversation. I still don’t approve of it, but I try to understand it. It’s just easier when you’re the one being called a nerd to feel exasperated.

I will add a HUGE caveat here: I am hardly perfect in that regard, and have often gone on rants about people I feel are being stupid and unfair. But I know I should keep trying.

Internets. :)

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ask anyone here, I’m a huge jerk and am guilty of the above. It’s one of the reasons I was so confused about our misunderstanding, because I was actually trying to make sure I wasn’t being a jerk, which for me, is a huge effort haha.

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by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am hardly perfect in that regard, and have often gone on rants about people I feel are being stupid and unfair.

What kind of person would do that?

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nerds!

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, your second sentence, what does that have to do with anything?

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because I don’t appreciate being told that I’m justifying what he’s doing, or have become an apologist.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I misunderstood what you were getting at

I’ll leave it at that because I clearly have struck a nerve I had no intention of getting near.

I apologize as I admittedly said maybe I misunderstood what you were getting at.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding the rank beginners, some time last season one of the commenters over at BtN started a series of posts about “How to introduce noobs to hockey stats”. His basic premise was to be nice to them, even if they resist the concepts initially.

I thought it was a nicely written, common-sensical approach, though nothing groundbreaking in the analysis.

The response from the regular commenters was, shall we say, eye opening. The general tone came through as, “Fuck them, if they can’t see that these are OBJECTIVE, PROVEN metrics and accept them wholesale, they’re too stupid to waste time on.”

The arrogance and bitterness was impressive.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is regrettable.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that well.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t. Anyone want to post a linky so I can read it and get frustrated?

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

<a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdQw4w9WgXcQ&ei=0KklTo3qGeLq0QG0y8DRCg&usg=AFQjCNG7el8GOsX8SUPmhUksMRzOa9FzwQ" target="new">Here you go

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, google. Try again.

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, your broken link said youtube. Can’t fool me!

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I’m so mad. Now I have to lay low for a few months before I try a stunt like that again.

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t find the exact one I was remembering, but I did find this one:

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2011/3/17/2055884/questions-corsis-and-the-laughter-of-the-gods

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 19, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Times

Discuss.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

tying your jacket around your pants in May is a little bit suspect

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s better than the guy in 103 that has to put his nipples up on the glass every time the ice girls are shoveling the ice before security comes down and yells at him. At least the ice girls find it funny.

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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I ever get glass seats I promised my sister in law I would bring her so she can do “fried eggs” against the glass to distract the players.

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by boknows71 on Jul 19, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think I know what’s going on here

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is this your wifes sister or brothers wife? Because either way, I can see this becoming an issue.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 19, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wife’s sister. She’s a free spirit. My wife, not so much.

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by boknows71 on Jul 19, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially if Geoff is there.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fried eggs would be much better than drunk nipple guy…so much better. At least drunk nipple guy is a Flyers fan. When the Caps are in town and you have Mr. “unofficial” Caps photographer standing between 103 and 104 on the glass taking a million photos before security comes down and escorts him away. Good times.

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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot to link this, but Pat Hickey of the Montreal Gazette gets taken to task for trashing the Rangers’ granting of scholarships to military kids in Derek Boogard’s honor.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

The original remark was classless, but I honestly had no idea how involved Boogaard was until I read that response. It makes the callous remark look even worse, apparently a simple search would have let Hickey know all he needed to know.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

We wouldn’t want any reporters actually doing research. Might rip a hole in the fabric of time.

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by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right. I had no idea either. But it’s the email response that gets me. People throw out dumb shit on twitter all the time. People don’t often maintain that hatred for addicts in an email.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was definitely the part that cemented my “wow, what a dick” reaction. I probably made some heartless comments off the cuff to my friends after the death, so if I were on Twitter maybe one would have slipped past my filter. But if challenged on it after time to reflect, I don’t think I’d ever stand behind it like Hickey did. The email response also makes it clear that he didn’t just throw out a tasteless joke on Twitter that failed, that was really his take on Boogaard.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

there’s a demonization out there of drug users that I partially blame our society on.

and all I can say towards this is “meh”. He wasn’t a violent user, just needed it to function at his job where pain was part of the premise. I can’t hate him. I don’t like what he did on the ice, but if good things happen in the guys name, then just shut up and move along

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just partially?

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

partial blame on society
partial blame on legislature

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

[speechless]

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about an example of a stat person over-relying on the numbers...and being called out for it by another stat person?

The KuklasKorner article seems a little lazy. It cites the Flyers’ low total Corsi score and says the following:

Philadelphia was a bit more of a fluke. They didn’t have strong goaltending.

It would seem that the writer can’t think of any way the team could outperform their Corsi score other than having strong goaltending. They were third in the league in blocked shots — their Corsi may have been negative, but their Fenwick was positive. And they were among the league leaders in shooting percentage, not because they wildly outshot their career numbers, but because they had a relatively high-percentage-shooting group of players (team total was very close to expectations based on career totals).

Pointing all of this out seems like the bare minimum for explaining how a team ends up with a +36 goal differential with a negative total Corsi, instead of just writing it off as a fluke. A good analysis would also note that they conceded an awful lot of shots with big leads, which says more about system and score effects than talent.

but they were not as good as their standing showed last year, so the team can be improved talentwise and still wind up with fewer points.

Just to hammer it home, what we have here is an absolute statement based on a single statistic, the exact thing the non-stats people say we do, and that I routinely say we don’t do. I’m a huge proponent of Corsi, and I think it tells you a lot, but just looking at total Corsi and declaring that the team overachieved without considering any of the other factors that go into scoring is silly.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I was waiting for you to put this out there.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been in so many arguments lately where the stat/analytical community is accused of ignoring context and over-relying on a single stat, where I’m saying that the analysts don’t do that, that they do everything they can to account for context and blend stats…so I couldn’t let it go un-called-out when someone committed that exact error.

“The Flyers Corsi was low” is true. “Therefore, winning games was a fluke” is unsupported. To make the second claim, you need to put in at least 60 seconds of thought about what sustainable talents besides Corsi affect scoring goals and winning games. The author put in about 10 seconds thought and came up with only goaltending. Not good enough.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you’re saying that in one article the same author was guilty of the primary critiques against the stats crowd (one stat to rule them all) and a primary critique against the anti-stat crowd (the durable narrative)? That’s pretty impressive.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t even see the “They didn’t have strong goaltending.” part.

No, I didn’t read the article.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t the Flyers actually get, you know, pretty damned good goaltending last year, too?

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Their total save percentage was just a smidge above average. Certainly good enough to denounce the “OMG HORRIBLE GOALTENDING” narrative, but not good enough to explain the goal differential being great despite a negative total Corsi.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. I was going back in time to a post somewhere that listed the ES-and-tied Save Percentages. I thought Philly looked good in that metric. It could have been midway through the season, though.

Anyway, regarding the total Corsi number, as you noted above, score effects.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 19, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it just a smidge above average? They’re 5v5 S% was 10th in the league, but I can’t find a total team Sv% quick enough.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had league shooting percentage 5v5 at 8.134% That’s from the data on BTN’s individual shooting page.

So league sv% would’ve been .91866

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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m looking for total though, not 5v5.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad, misunderstood what you wanted.

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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No worries. I found it somewhere before, can’t remember though.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me know if you find it again. I used NHL.com’s team GA/G and SA/G stats to calculate it, came up with something that didn’t match what hockey-reference said, clicked through a dozen teams there, and concluded that the ranks were the same and the Flyers were about 13th and “a smidge above average” was probably safe.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTN might exclude 4v4 entirely from the calculations (and rounding)

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by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it does. But I didn’t use it.

I took the team stats page from NHL.com, which lists GA/G and SA/G and copied into a spreadsheet, where I did 1-(GA/G)/(SA/G) to get what I thought should be team save percentage.

But it came out at .913 for the Flyers, and I remembered seeing .915 on hockey-reference.com. I clicked back over to the Flyers team page on hockey-reference.com and confirmed that my memory was right. So I was puzzled.

It occurs to me now what the difference is — the GA/G over SA/G includes empty net goals, but the team’s save percentage doesn’t. So the #13 ranking I got from the NHL.com stats isn’t necessarily exactly right, but it’s close enough.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to hammer it home, what we have here is an absolute statement based on a single statistic, the exact thing the non-stats people say we do, and that I routinely say we don’t do. I’m a huge proponent of Corsi, and I think it tells you a lot, but just looking at total Corsi and declaring that the team overachieved without considering any of the other factors that go into scoring is silly.

I think this is huge. It’s mainly why I loved Objective NHL publishing the CorsiTied and CorsiClose numbers. Score effects do a great deal to skew the effectiveness of Corsi, so I don’t really care much about raw Corsi.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about this?
They did so despite less than stellar goaltending from Antti Niemi.

But Niemi had the 16th best GVT in the entire league, 12th best G. Maybe that is “less than stellar” but the implication is that it was goaltending hurting the team.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I obviously just skimmed down to the Flyers’ section and dismissed the rest of the article, but it’s safe to assume that if they bungled the one section I looked at, they probably bungled some others.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a big fan of “it was the goaltending” to explain all the differences. I’m sure some of those time’s he’s right.

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, so he spent ten seconds thinking about what affects goal differential other than Corsi, came up with goaltending, and said either “goaltending” or “fluke” depending on whether goaltending pointed in the right direction.

OMG ALL STATS ARE BULLSHIT, YOU ARROGANT IDIOTS IGNORE CONTEXT, NO STAT IS PERFECT, WATCH A DAMN GAME.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I’m glad that entire debate is settled, so where do we go next?

Obviously, this is all speculation.

by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was told there would be cake.

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The cake is a lie.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And there is no spoon either.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m so addicted to this game.

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was told there would be no math.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jul 19, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paulie Homer, what are you doing here?

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mama said to get lost, so I wandered the interwebs until I found my way here.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jul 19, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

tpanotchCSN Tim Panaccio
a #flyers first: They will carry $1.4 million bonus overage vs. cap this year b/c of last year bonuses, source says

by my pal mal 16 on Jul 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Quick! to the Capgeek!

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by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking more “to the bottle” myself.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reheat the Stamkos rumors! (please don’t)

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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

What rumors? That his name is Steven Stamkos? He’s from Canada? He plays hockey?

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

No the one where he’s the reason J Lo and Marc Anthony are splitting (of course.)

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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

please explain “bonus overage”

does that mean less cap space for this year?

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

What can't Giroux do?

by tmurder on Jul 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

ah well, that was a blast

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

In all years before this one, teams had a bonus cushion — you only had to fit the base salary under the cap, and if bonuses put you over the cap then that comes as a charge in the next year.

Bob hit all of his bonuses and a few other guys hit some, so they went over, and got a 1.4M charge on this year’s cap to account for it. And even worse, this year there is no bonus cap, so they have to fit all of their bonuses (2M for Schenn, 850k each for Bob and JvR) under the cap whether they will be hit or not. So they’re getting squeezed in both directions.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i actually went and read the article after i posted this

ho hum

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

We can’t possibly be the only team that is getting bonus chopped by the lack of a bonus allowance. Or…can…we…

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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not the only one, but nobody else has more than ~200k

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we’re better than every team at bonuses berating our cap space and I can’t even celebrate that we’re the best at something. Doh.

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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brooks corrected himself and says Rangers are being dinged for $527k

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by George E. Ays on Jul 19, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

What can't Giroux do?

by tmurder on Jul 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

.

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scary.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I aspire to be Dr. Cox when I grow up.

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this mean we have to shed salary?

by mantis toboggan on Jul 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, just that there isn’t nearly the flexibility we were hoping for.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, I just saw that cap geek already has the deferred bonuses included.

by mantis toboggan on Jul 19, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reiterated for Importance
As long as I’m on the topic, I’ll use the opportunity to remind everyone that they should always ask when they have a question about the stats. Speak up! If you’re confused, lots of other people are too, and the comments help sort out the confusion and avoid it next time.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Hard Choices Always Have to be Made
But all the same, Jeff Carter and Mike Richards, supposedly the twin bedrocks of future leadership, were sent to Columbus and Los Angeles, respectively. The goal was to free up money to sign free-agent goaltender Ilya Bryzgalov under orders from the very top, and all it took was some serious financial acrobatics to accomplish it.

Will there ever come a time when people will stop saying Richards & Carter were traded so the Flyers could sign Bryz?

Versteeg + cap increase = Bryz.

There is absolutely no way to logically say that they were traded to make cap room for Bryz. Even if that was the case, one or the other would have been more than enough. If you don’t believe the rumors about drugs, or locker room problems, or anything else, I have noproblem with that, but you can’t make a same reason for trading both of them to make room for Bryz.

by EC.Comedy on Jul 19, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

to be short, you are oversimplifying things

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) Bryz
2)……..
3) Cup

That’s a better simplification.

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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it gets them to shut up with the accusations over “moody”, “lazy”, “shouldn’t be captain”, “locker room problems”, etc, then I’m all for it. I’m more than happy for them to tie those two moves together if I never have to hear that garbage again.

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by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s true that Versteeg + cap increase = Bryz.

That overlooks the fact that the Flyers were operating over the cap once they acquired Versteeg, using the banked cap space they had from earlier in the season. It overlooks the 1.4M in bonus overages charged on this year’s cap. It overlooks the 2.9M raise Giroux was getting.

If you undo the trades and still keep Bryzgalov on the team, you get this situation:

Hartnell-Briere-_
Carter-Giroux-JvR
Nodl-Richards-_
Shelley-Betts-_
______

Same defense, same goaltending, and the Flyers have 2.5M to fit four players in plus leave money for injury callups. That’s not even room for five minimum salaries. They would still need to shed salary if they wanted to be able to put Wellwood on their top line, Sestito on the third line, Rinaldo on the fourth line, and a random AHLer as the 13th forward.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, he did hedge by saying:

Even if that was the case, one or the other would have been more than enough.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is what I recall from the time of the trades. Philly needed to unload at one moderate-to-big salary to fit under the cap with anything reasonably approximating a workable lineup.

When they traded both guys, I discerned the fell hand of Snider.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s not true either.

With just the Richards deal, you have

Hartnell-Briere-Schenn
Carter-Giroux-JvR
Nodl-______-Simmonds
Shelley-Betts-______
______

They have 3.3M to fit three players plus leave money for injury callups. I’d hardly call that “more than enough” — it’s not enough to add Talbot as the remaining third-liner, for example, and certainly not enough to sign a top-6 guy and put Schenn on the third line.

Similarly, the Carter move alone would leave them with this:

Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
JvR-Giroux-______
Nodl-Richards-______
Shelley-Betts-______
______

They have 4.5M to fill four spots plus an injury callup. If they sign a 2M guy for the second line (and remember, that buys you something much closer to Talbot than to Leino), they have room to choose which AHLers fill out the lineup — Wellwood or Read for the third line, Holmstrom or Sestito or Rinaldo for the fourth line and 13th forward. If they spend even 2.3M on that second line spot, then once again they can’t even afford Read or Holmstrom.

Hardly “more than enough”.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected.

Nice work, by the way.

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by fat_daddyo on Jul 19, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet. Glad you did the work there.

I feel like Don. Wanting an answer, not wanting to do the work, so say something that will make you do the work.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of which, go study, so you can get the work done now, and drink with us this weekend. Free place to crash, ocean front.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently my memo was lost in the mail…

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame Snider.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's ok, I see how things are

not invited to the cool kids table, I get it

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fairness, I’m not the one doing the inviting, I’m merely trying to keep Geoff from bailing. Though I have a feeling THE BAR will be his final argument every time it comes up.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

in fairness, I was only busting your balls

I’m a very weird drinker in that the only time I drink is when I’m on a whim

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pssst…I’m trying to provoke Geoff.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have the bar exam in less than 163 hours.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s always about the numbers with you, isn’t it?

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not too many numbers on the bar exam…are there?

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by Pardini36 on Jul 19, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why he’s worried.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jul 19, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you shouldn’t burn yourself out and study during all of those 163 hours. Take 18 hours to have some fun.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great advice. I couldn’t agree more. Studying is important, obviously, but I’ve always found my mind and memory work MUCH better during an exam if I set aside some time to relax immediately beforehand.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This 18 hours involves roughly 8 hours of drinking and 10 hours of sleep, but same concept.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No argument here.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually may have something better to offer you if you make the next open ice game.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i plan to play the next ice hockey game shitfaced

hell the only times I run these days is when I’m innebriated and don’t feel a damned thing

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You might want to get in more practice and be sober, your favorite writer might be there.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh i don’t care if I suck or not

in fact one of my lines might be

“hey Baicker, turns out I skate as well as you report”

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy hell, I can’t wait for open ice.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

“so the boys tell me that you write some damned good fan fiction. Could you write a piece of my NHL 2011 Be a GM mode?”

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

of = for*

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must have missed that. I stand corrected.

by EC.Comedy on Jul 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice. Can I take back my response and use this one instead?

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

And trading either Richards or Carter would more than solve that problem, so the Flyers still wouldn’t have to trade both of them.

For the sake of avoiding all the rumors and accusations that can’t be proven one way or the other, I’m content with going with the story that was most recently reported. The FO just didn’t feel that the team would win a cup with them. That can mean they are great players but the system/coaches/players around them just weren’t the right mix, it could mean all of the other stuff, or whatever anyone else wants to believe.

by EC.Comedy on Jul 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And trading either Richards or Carter would more than solve that problem

Well, I was originally disputing the claim that Versteeg + cap raise was sufficient. But as I said above, it does not “more than solve that problem” — it makes it barely possible to fill out a lineup.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m more of the opinion that the NTC’s kicking in at the end of this season scared Homer and Snider enough to warrant seeing what they could get out of dealing them. I think the control factor played a sinister part in it.

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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m perfectly fine with that. Lord knows the FO are a bunch of control freaks.

by EC.Comedy on Jul 19, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

In real life non-hockey news...

Someone apparently just pied Rupert Murdoch in the face with a shaving cream pie.

There IS someone more hated than Gary Bettman. Who knew?

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Winter Classic Sweater

Okay, so I believe this has been spoken on already, and I’m not advocating replica jerseys, but this is probably the 4th or 5th site that I have seen this jersey on. Did I miss something? Why are they all pushing this exact same design? I look forward to the feedback.

Winter Classic Replica Jersey

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by Psy09 on Jul 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Quakers

It’s supposed to be a throwback to the old Quakers hockey club that was here and gone in like an instant back in the 1930’s. Nothing is official yet though but jersey sites are trying to scoop each other by putting that out there. From what I have heard it’s just a rumor right now.

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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stamkos got a 5 year deal, per Lightning twitter

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

WITH THE FLYERS?!?!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, this would have been a good time for sarcasm font. Without it, I just look silly.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny...it looked perfectly normal to me.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jul 19, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Act surprised.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Logic hasn’t stopped “Lecavalier to the Habs” rumors yet and its been like six years.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly a sign and trade deal
/still not jumping on the sarcasm font bus

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

the sarcasm font takes all of the fun out of things. I prefer my criticisms to be misconstrued as perhaps sarcasm, or very mean truth

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I still don’t like it either.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what’s even better than using the sarcasm font? Writing after every post “still not using the sarcasm font”.

by Eric T. on Jul 19, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree, I prefer “still not jumping on the sarcasm font bus”. Your version lacks a certain pizazz.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, and you just lost man points for using “pizazz”

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please, I’ve grown past man points. Talking about man points is like talking about pokemon.

But I’ll make sure I use panache from now on if it’ll make you more comfortable.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, I’d prefer jenesequa

but to each their own

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

je ne sais quoi, dahling.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yahoo, you fail me

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know them darn yahoo rednecks don’t speak French.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

neither do I

but now I know

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah sorry, I don’t speak French, and I certainly won’t attempt to spell it. Don’t want to go looking silly doing something like that after all.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don, those who fear looking silly are under the assumption that they’ve retained some sort of credibility

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I misspelled some Spanish on here the other week. I was mocking myself.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christ Don, there was a good passive aggressive boxing exchange going on there, and you had to go all serious on me

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you won’t follow my references and set ups, I have no time for this.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright Lavvy, just because I don’t follow your rules doesn’t mean that you have to bench me

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please, you’ve been waived. Enjoy ADK with John on the 3rd pairing.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s always KHL, my talents will be enjoyed there

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Вы говорите по-русски?

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get the point Lenin, you are more cultured than I

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me? The human swear jar? I don’t THINK so.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This just reminds me of a few days ago. My grad student was trying to find an article he had for me to read. When he finally found it, he sent it to me with the subject “Vwala”.

I laughed.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it bad I thought jenesequa was a pokemon at first?

"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."

by Mike B on D on Jul 19, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s probably a good thing.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I’m picturing some tiny little anime creature, wearing a beret, who constantly says “jenesequa!” Geez.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He sounds cute. Squee!! (please take with heavy dose of sarc)

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna say. You do not seem to be the type that goes “squee.”

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 19, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using sarcasm font or telling people you were sarcastic makes it lose it’s meaning.

by jello44 on Jul 19, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you’re posting something that could be misconstrued as particularly hostile, in which case it just helps to avoid a thread-hogging fight.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

or encourage it. I consider myself to be the Sean Avery of this message board. Don’t worry, I’ll graduate to Todd Bertuzzi levels soon enough

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So long as you don’t cross into Matt Cooke territory.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Jul 19, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh no, I like to believe I add some sort of value to BSH

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

So who are you going to jump from behind and ride into the ice? Don?

by jello44 on Jul 19, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think CCB will be able to jump on skates. Just a guess I’ve put together from his comments about his athletic prowess thus far.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

we will see

I need to start on roller blades just to get my balance back

Ice will be a whole different level

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don’t recommend you trying to jump. We’ll start you at hockey stops and work our way up from there.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I did that awhile ago. I’ll need to get a refresher course in things

The one thing that scared the shit out of me was the left footed stop, because I thought i’d snap my ankle

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So who are you going to jump from behind and ride into the ice

Sorry buddy, this ain’t Pittsburgh, and I ain’t Sidney Crosby, and Don sure ain’t Evgeni Malkin

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

is that subtle hint to the fact you find Don to be pretty?

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Jul 19, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey! Man pretty, please; ruggedly adorable is also acceptable.

I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.

by DLJr on Jul 19, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

more of a subtle hint that I feel that along with winning a Stanley Cup, sodomy occurs often in the Penguins lockerroom

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 19, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, nice!

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

HUZZAH!

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So at age 26 he gets an even bigger contract as a UFA AND a NMC?

personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.

Go Devils
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by 02h32m01s on Jul 19, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he lives up to this one, yes.

Oh wait, I just remembered what this means — all the rumor mongers and sportswriters trolling for hits will switch to Doughty.

Whomp whomp.

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by Niesy on Jul 19, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

STAMKOS SIGNED?

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I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.

Chem and Gus to the restaurant.

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by Chemistry66 on Jul 19, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hedman

Now it’ll get interesting with him at the end of the year. Yzerman will need to do some more juggling to keep him around.

Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Let us begin the Flyers offer sheet Victor Hedman rumors.

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, he will also always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 19, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

7.5 million fucking dollars…

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