Flyers sign Jon Kalinski, Jason Bacashihua to contracts, are at 50-contract limit
by Travis Hughes on Jul 19, 2011 3:23 PM EDT
in Philadelphia Flyers News
Email
PrintThe Flyers announced today that Jon Kalinski has signed a one-year contract extension, and free agent goaltender Jason Bacashihua has signed a one-year deal with the team.
They likely aren't NHL moves. Kalinski's chance with the Flyers has seemingly come and gone, and Bacashihua is essentially terrible with a career .897 save percentage in the NHL. The Bacashihua signing could mean some more moves in goal for the Flyers when it comes to the backup position, especially since it means there are now three goalies (him, Michael Leighton and Johan Backlund) vying for spots with the Adirondack Phantoms, but who knows at this point.
For now, we're to be concerned with more pressing matters. The Flyers are at the 50-contract limit.
Here's a full list of contracts, as of today, with some help (of course) from CapGeek.
NHL Forwards (13): Danny Briere, Scott Hartnell, Claude Giroux, Jaromir Jagr, James van Riemsdyk, Brayden Schenn, Max Talbot, Jake Voracek, Wayne Simmonds, Ian Laperriere, Jody Shelley, Andreas Nodl, Blair Betts.
NHL Defensemen (7): Chris Pronger, Kimmo Timonen, Braydon Coburn, Matt Carle, Andrej Meszaros, Andreas Lilja, Oskars Bartulis.
NHL Goalies (2): Ilya Bryzgalov, Sergei Bobrovsky.
Other Forwards (15): Mike Testwuide, Andrew Rowe, Tyler Brown, Jason Akeson, Harry Zolnierczyk, Matt Read, Stefan Legein, Tye McGinn, Ben Holmstrom, Luke Pither, Shane Harper, Eric Wellwood, Tom Sestito, Zac Rinaldo, Jon Kalinski.
Other Defensemen (9): Matt Walker, Erik Gustafsson, Brandon Manning, Marc-Andre Bourdon, Joonas Lehtivouri, Kevin Marshall, Oliver Lauridsen, Tyler Hostetter, Dan Jancevski.
Other Goalies (4): Michael Leighton, Niko Hovinen, Johan Backlund, Jason Bacashihua.
Slide Rule (1): Marcel Noebels
***
Noebels' contract was announced on Monday, and he qualifies for the Slide Rule exception because he'll be 19 on December 31st and he won't play in 11 NHL games this season. The Slide Rule means that his contract "slides" from this season to next season.
So by virtue of that, while they actually have 51 players under contract, the Flyers are right up at the limit now with these two signings of Kalinski and Bacashihua.
That's not an ideal position to be in. Our wonderful CBA Expert, DragonGirl, explained why in a FanPost back in early June (when she saw a lot of these problems coming before they even happened, by the way).
If we go to 50 contracts now and we have an injury at some point during the season, we cannot sign somebody or pick someone up off of waivers. We'd simply have to do without, or make a trade.
That's the position the Flyers find themselves in today. If they don't get rid of a contract or two before the end of the season, they'll be without any breathing room in another department -- although that's certainly a familiar theme around these parts. You know, since there's not any cap space to sign another guy or claim somebody off waivers anyway.
It's funny: at the end of this crazy offseason, this is the sort of thing that sticks out as the most egregious of errors. You can be mad at the organization for trading away your two favorite players or for jumping the gun and overpaying a goaltender or whatever, but at least you can sort of understand why they did all of that. You can credit them for being ballsy and sticking to whatever guns they have, at the very least.
Signing Jason f'n Bacashihua to a contract, which pushes the team to the limit, when they're already stacked in goal at the AHL level makes literally no sense.
112 comments
|
Add comment
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Bacashihua's latest professional picture:
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.
Chem and Gus to the restaurant.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
I wondered if he was a viable backup. Another goalie under contract has to mean Bob is going somewhere…..unless we’re opening a goalie school somewhere?
Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.
by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Snider has a goalie fetish.
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.
Chem and Gus to the restaurant.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
The ultimate irony.
Visit the BSH Store :: Get us on Twitter :: facebook, too!
Broad Street Hockey - Covering the Philadelphia Flyers. Got goaltending? Searching since 1987.
by Travis Hughes on Jul 19, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I get no credit for guilt tripping Jen in to writing that fanpost. Psssh.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
What, then we have to credit your wife for letting you on the Internet… and then her mom for birthing her…. and then… where’s it end, man?
Visit the BSH Store :: Get us on Twitter :: facebook, too!
Broad Street Hockey - Covering the Philadelphia Flyers. Got goaltending? Searching since 1987.
by Travis Hughes on Jul 19, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
At the bar for your Bday?
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
heh.
Visit the BSH Store :: Get us on Twitter :: facebook, too!
Broad Street Hockey - Covering the Philadelphia Flyers. Got goaltending? Searching since 1987.
by Travis Hughes on Jul 19, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we actually have a “BSH Night at the Bar” sometime? I feel like that would be pretty fun.
Avidly opposed to Ilya Bryzgalov becoming a Philadelphia Flyer
@Mitchman88 on Twitter
by Mitchell Green on Jul 19, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
for guilt tripping Jen in to writing that fanpost sooner
It would have made it into the CBA FAQ eventually, but you definitely expedited that particular topic.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 19, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I had no role in that what so ever, it was all you.
I simply got irritated by people saying the Flyers don’t need draft picks if they kept having success signing undrafted players like that had been. Which is obviously incorrect because those undrafted players were not eligible for the slide rule. It still irks me.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Question
Travis mentions 31st December as cutoff for the slide rule, I think that is wrong. Legeins contract slid during his first AHL season, means he was eligible to play AHL and therefor older than 19 by CHL rules (Birthday: 24/11/88). Confirm or deny?
by Rick Deckard on Jul 20, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The slide rule depends on age when the player signed their SPC. Legein signed in November of 2007, when he was 18. According to 9.1.d.i, the slide rule doesn’t apply if the player is 19 when he signs, but will turn 20 “between September 16 and December 31 in the year in which he first signs an SPC.” Age 18 players have no such kicker, so because he was 18 when he signed, he had two years of slide rule eligibility under 9.1.d.ii.
Bob.
Stefan Legein’s case is very strange.
He was 19 that year, that much is true. But the wording in Article 8, Entry level contracts is,
(b) During the first season next succeeding the draft of an age 19 Player or a Player who reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, inclusive, of the year of the Entry Draft, the Club he signs an SPC with must first offer him to the club from which he was claimed before it may Loan him.The slide rule then says “doesn’t play in 10 NHL games”.
The problem with Legein is that the year he was 19, he abruptly announced his retirement before training camp. So when his junior team started the season, he wasn’t loaned back to them because he had decided he wasn’t going to play hockey at all. Then in January, he decided he was going to start playing hockey again. If his junior team didn’t want him back at that point, then he could be assigned to the AHL.
Definitely not your standard case; not every player on an NHL contract decides to retire at 19.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 20, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for answering.
1. That’s what Travis wrote in the article:
Noebels’ contract was announced on Monday, and he qualifies for the Slide Rule exception because he’ll be 19 on December 31st and he won’t play in 11 NHL games this season. The Slide Rule means that his contract “slides” from this season to next season.
Is that date right?
2. I’m under the impression that every player with a late birthday (September 16 to December 31) who was drafted from the CHL and was in his 1st year of eligibility is allowed to play AHL in the second season after his Draft. Like Legein did (besides retirement), I think Klotz too and possibly Couturier next year. I wasn’t aware that those contracts can slide like Legeins did.
by Rick Deckard on Jul 20, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Travis’ sentence may have been better worded as “he’ll still be 19 on December 31st”. Noebels doesn’t have a late birthday, he has a March birthday.
If the player signs at 18, they can slide that first year no matter what date their actual birthday is. Then the second year for that player, or if the player signs at 19 (calculated on September 15th no matter when their birthday is), the only thing that prohibits them from sliding is if they turn 20 between September 16th and December 31st. That’s the trick, if you’re 19 on September 15th and 20 on October 31st, you’re considered 19 by the NHL’s rules but 20 by major junior’s rules. Players have to be offered back to juniors until they’re considered 20 by the major junior definition.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 20, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
What are those?
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.
Chem and Gus to the restaurant.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
I don’t mind Walker at the AHL level at all, if he plays. The Flyers are lucky to have an owner that doesn’t mind spending 1.7 million on an AHL-level defensmen. He’s obviously an asset to that team and if he makes them better, then why not keep him?
by OrangeNblacK on Jul 19, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Stamkos finally signed. absolutely no more stamkos to philly rumours. The Lightning and star forward Steven Stamkos have agreed on a 5 year contract, the contract is for a reported $37.5 Million ($7.5 Million per season) – eklund
I thought it was 8/8/8/8/5.5? Doesn’t really matter though as long as we can finally move on from the Stamkos madness.
Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.
by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't wanna stop stealing this photo
Well now the Stamkos crazies will join the No Homers club…
Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.
by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The schedule you have is correct, but 7.5 is the average, also known as his cap hit.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Thanks hintzy!
Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.
by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re being a little unfair in saying that the Bacashihua signing makes “no sense”. I mean, yes, I don’t agree with the signing at all, but to be upset that his contract pushes the team to the limit, is a little absurd. The season hasn’t started yet, and there are moves to be made. I think this signifies that Bobrovsky could very well be on his way out, and other salaries could be chopped before the season begins. If the season started tomorrow, yes you would have every reason to be upset with the signing. But come on. It’s July. If the Flyers stand pat from here on in, I will be flabbergasted.
But the team has two AHL guys right now. They could have moved Bobrovsky before signing Bacashihua. They only put themselves behind the 8-ball again. Its on par with the Gagne fiasco of last off-season. Bacashihua is a career AHL player so why sign him to an NHL deal. It’s a waste of resources. It makes it difficult for them to make more moves. They could have done a million better things than sign Bacashihua, one of which would have been to not sign Bacashihua.
What can't Giroux do?
I hate to say this, but ,aybe the reason they signed him to an NHL deal, is that they intend to trade Bob, and Bachashihua to be the back up for Bryz. I know it’s a horrific idea, but this is Homer we’re talking about.
I know it’s a horrific idea
My initial thought was that exact scenario. I must be losing my mind.
Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.
by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bacashihua really can’t be any worse of an option from within than Leighton or Backlund. Still wish Backlund would get a chance to play behind Bryz with Leights and Bacashihua in the AHL. This of course is if Bobs gets traded. But right now there is about 2 trades I’d ok that include Bobs.
Either dealing him straight up for Oliver Ekman Larsson or sending him and a defenseman to the Oilers for Ales Hemsky. Hemsky is who we should of gone for at the deadline instead of Versteeg.
But then trade Bob first when there are more teams looking for a goalie. Also don’t put yourself in the position of being against the 50 contract limit. Bacashihua isn’t anything special he’s not someone you should worry about signing elsewhere. You could easily find another goalie comparable to Bacashihua to replace him if he signed before you could move Bob. It just seems they’ve put themselves in another poor situation leverage-wise.
What can't Giroux do?
Exactly. He generally has a plan and executes the picture stuff well, in that he doesn’t have too many loose ends, but he fails to do his due diligence and misses the small things. He’s like Michael Scott without a Jim Halpern.
What can't Giroux do?
I agree he constantly executes great plans and trades it seems but then he takes it and does something equally as dumb. Look at the Forsberg trade. Acquired Parent was considered a top notch prospect, Upshall and a 1st rounder for him only to take that same pick and send it back for Hartnell and Timonen. That was brilliant until he overpaid them both which ultimately let to the terrible Upshall for Carcillo trade.
He then sends Pitkanen for Jason Smith, one of my favorite defenders in his short time here, and Joffrey Lupul. Lupul rebounded his career in Philadelphia. Then he goes and sends Lupul and Sbisa and another pick for an aging defenseman. I love Pronger but I still say we overpaid to get him from Anaheim and it’s going to handicap us as it showed during all his injuries last year.
There was an 8 year old kid who was merciless to Sbisa when he was here. I remember every game he’d stand up and run a large string of profanities at Sbisa no matter what he did. It was hilarious and sad at the same time.
Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.
by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, now if we try to trade Bob (perish the thought), other GMs know we’re at the 50 contract limit, so they’ll try to give us less for him. They know we’re at the limit and have to cut personnel somewhere.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
We wouldn’t have to cut personnel we could say fuck you, it’s not good enough compensation for Bobs so we’ll keep him.
So we trade a tremendous prospect in Bobrovsky just to justify the signing of Bacashihua? No, thats not ok in my book.
Not ok in mine either, I want to keep Bob around. But I’m saying now we’ve lost leverage so it’s even worse than before.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Exactly. So you just don’t sign Bacashihua until you trade the prospect. You don’t sign him under the pretense that you’re going to trade Bob when signing him hurts your leverage. Its pretty obvious the Flyers are going to move a goalie now because they have 5 goalies for 4 spots. If the plan was to sign Bryz they should have traded Bob as soon as possible. You goal is to maximize your return and always hedging your bets can hurt that. Keeping Bob until you lock Bryz up, I understand. Signing Bacashihua which forces a move and puts you at the contract limit, I don’t.
What can't Giroux do?
Agreed, but you don’t trade Bobs away now for the sake of justifying the Bacashihua signing. Thats dumb. You wait for the right deal then send Bobs away, I’d like to see the Oliver Ekman Larsson for Bobs rumor come true.
I know. But know that goes to show why signing Bacashihua is dumb to do. You’re putting yourself in a position where that right deal doesn’t have to come around. The other GM doesn’t have to give up equal value anymore because he’s offering you a chance at having some flexibility. Signing Bacashihua hurts you if you do it before you have a space for him. What’s done is done and now this team needs to acquire flexibility at the expense of talent and return.
What can't Giroux do?
Maybe, but that doesn’t mean necessarily a goalie, still could send away a defender and I disagree. The flexibility is our own fault and the Bacashihua signing was dumb to do but you don’t trade Bobs at the expense of getting 1 roster spot back. If anything the resigning of Kalinski wasn’t necessary he’s never going to be anything more than a third liner more than likely so letting him go wouldn’t exactly have stung. If I’m Homer I say this is a top notch goaltending prospect not Al Montoya and I’m not accepting less just to get one roster spot open.
Homer constantly finds some way to maneuver people onto this roster that we don’t expect so I’d expect he could find a way to open up contract spots without giving up Bobs for less than he’s worth.
Whoa, we’re not saying trade Bob to get the roster spot back, we’re saying if Homer was going to trade Bob (which we don’t want him to do), it would have been smarter to do it before you put yourself in a situation where now you need to clear roster spots. Subtle difference.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
So we now have Brygalov, Bobrovsky, Leighton, Hovinen, Backlund, and Bacashihua under contract. Obviously Bryz isn’t going anywhere and neither is Leighton because he simply makes too much money for his skill level and he’ll either be waived or stuck behind Bryz. Hovinen isn’t going anywhere as he was just signed and Backlund really isn’t a hot commodity so Bobrovsky seems to be the odd man out. Thus making the Bacashihua signing pointless it seems.
Thus making the Bacashihua signing pointless it seems.
Yes, I think all three of us agree on that. What tmurder and I are responding to is RH16’s original comment that it’s absurd to be upset about signing up to the contract limit. Which makes signing Bacshachachahcahchachua worse than pointless.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
to clear the air, though, I really dislike the signing at its core. Just making that perfectly clear.
True, but personally I think we have 1 or 2 trades still coming at some point this offseason, I think one of our defenders, either Carle, Mez, or Coburn goes, I hope it’s Carle. and since I want him to stay chances are they’ll send him away and that would be Bobs. I like Bryz he’s a good goalie but 9 years for 51 million was stupid and I wanted Vokoun as a 1-2 year stopgap while Bobrovsky matured.
I like Carle as well but something has to give, having so many defenders making 3 million plus hurts. Mez makes 4 mill and he is our 5th defender even though he’s skilled to be a number 2-4 d man and while this speaks volumes as to our defensive depth you should not have any 5th defender making that much annually.
Don’t ignore Chris Pronger’s health problems. If you get rid of Carle odds are you’re starting the season with Timonen, Coburn and Mesz as your top 3.
What can't Giroux do?
Oh I’m not ignoring it, I like Pronger but I thought the trade to acquire him was a mistake, 3 first round picks for an aging defender who is overpaid was a mistake. He was great for us in his first season and he’s great when he’s on the ice. Question is at his age and with his style of play how often that will be.
I’m sorry, I still have trouble understanding why some people want to ditch Carle. No one has sufficiently explained it to me yet.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Well I know some people will say that Corsi will prove me wrong or that I’m mistaken but my personal opinion is that without Pronger as his d partner he suffers on the ice, yeah he had 39 assists but thats partially due to the fact he’s on the ice so much with Pronger out, he disappears and seems lost at times to me without Pronger and to me is expendable.
I’m still very much a noob at stats, but I vaguely remember a “with or without you” thing they did at the end of the season that showed he was actually better without Pronger than with him. Or did I imagine that?
Anyway, since I suck with stats, let’s talk eyes. There have definitely been a number of times while he’s been on the team that I yell “DAMMIT CARLE!” over some silly, blind, cross-ice pass he tries to make that goes straight to an opposing player, but that kind of dangerous play was pretty rampant on the team for a while this year. But on the other hand, I remember seeing a healthy number of great defensive plays from him. The 39 assists are nice too, and I don’t see how that is connected to Pronger, that seems more related to the forward on the receiving end of his pass who puts it in the net, unless it was Pronger who scored those goals. What I’m trying to say is that he’s not infallible, but I personally don’t feel like he disappears or looks lost. Maybe it’s just me.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
You aren’t imagining things.
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2011/4/15/2113211/flyers-defensemen-wowy-analysis
It’s also important to note that Carle gets more OZ opportunities with Pronger, but he set a career high in ES points this year without Pronger, and without those opportunities.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh how I knew it’d be Geoff or Eric who replied to this.
by ryanitus on Jul 19, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course. Because the evidence shows that the “Carle is nothing without Pronger” statement is incorrect.
But really, why is it a bad thing that Carle is worse without Pronger? This statement should be true of every single defenseman in the world. Braydon Coburn would be worse without Timonen, but nobody is giving him shit.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said he was nothing without Pronger I simply said I would trade him before I’d trade Mez or Coburn. Never said Carle was nothing without Pronger and since Carle is asked to take on opponents top players he should face more scrutiny and questions over his play than Coburn
by ryanitus on Jul 19, 2011 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carle is asked to take on opponents top players he should face more scrutiny and questions over his play than Coburn
Huh? What you’re saying is that if Matt Carle does poorly against good competition and Braydon does poorly against average competition Carle should catch more flack. That doesn’t seem right. Looks like you’re putting undue criticism on guys put in tougher positions.
What can't Giroux do?
I don’t think he meant more scrutiny over his game results; I think he meant more scrutiny over the quality of his play. The latter could take into account the more difficult situations.
Of course, Coburn did take on tougher competition — and more PK minutes — this year, so I question the original assumption. But that’s a separate question.
What I’m saying is Carle is on our top d pair and therefore he’s going to face more scrutiny because he is asked to do more than Coburn is on the ice in terms of assignments.
Yeah, that’s what I said you said.
But like I said, you’re not right about the competition. By QualComp, Corsi QoC, and Corsi Rel QoC, Coburn faced tougher competition than Carle did this year.
I may be wrong but that plays into my hands because Coburn to me was better defensively than Carle this season. So saying Coburn is getting tougher competition is just strengthening my opinion that Carle should be traded ahead of Mez and Coburn.
Carle started in the d-zone more often, had a higher Corsi, and a lower GAON/60.
Coburn had worse goaltending and tougher competition. Trying to differentiate between the two is trying to differentiate between Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense to you Eric or Geoff but I don’t look at Corsi or anything like that, I judge it by what I see when I watch them play. To me thats how you judge players, not by whats on paper and I feel while Carle is good and has been phenomenal at times that Mez and Coburn are more valuable to our team. Thats my ultimate point.
And no offense to you, but you’re only getting half the picture.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then go back to my comment earlier, you know, the one where I said “I suck at stats, so let’s talk eyes.” Even my eyes disagree. So I guess we just view Carle differently.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
seems lost at times to me without Pronger
without Pronger as his d partner he suffers on the ice
You didn’t say he was nothing, but you also implied that Carle needs Pronger. You didn’t say “Carle is more expendable than Meszaros or Coburn”, because you thrice typed “Pronger” and did not once type “Meszaros” or "Pronger.
Further, give him more scrutiny, fine. But that would require looking at more than just “he seems lost without Pronger” and “his play suffers without Pronger”.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you said:
my personal opinion is that without Pronger as his d partner he suffers on the ice, yeah he had 39 assists but thats partially due to the fact he’s on the ice so much with Pronger out, he disappears and seems lost at times to me without Pronger and to me is expendable
(emphasis mine) That sentence sure as hell says you think he sucks without Pronger and is therefore expendable. It doesn’t say anything about Mez or Coburn.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Just to be fair…SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.
But other than that, this was very encouraging to see despite the small sample size, and doesn’t provide anything to suggest that Carle can’t hang without Pronger.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Truth.
I neglected to mention it because the accusation was a small sample size. Combating the “Carle is nothing without Pronger” implies a small sample size, thus responding within the given set of parameters, I don’t think that need be mentioned.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s important to give context regardless given the back and forth over the topic of stats recently. But I don’t disagree with your point, just more so commenting for the greater good.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Sports Illustrated won’t confirm that Stamkos has signed, but it really doesn’t matter. It’s what they are reporting that matters. According to SI.com, Alexei Yashin is attempting to make a return to the NHL. Someone get Homer on the phone this instant.
He could be the first ever player to be paid by the same team for two seperate contracts at once.
What can't Giroux do?
LOL the Islanders never cease to amaze me anymore.
Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
I DO accept Ilya Bryzgalov as my savior!! Truly I do.
by Flyers_Section_121 on Jul 19, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Travis – Can the Flyers loan Backlund to a European team for the season? How would that impact the 50 player signing limit and the cap space?
I’m gonna take a stab at this one, somebody stop me if I’m wrong…
1) It wouldn’t affect the 50-contract limit because he’d still be under contract with the Flyers, just like Hovinen, who also is under contract with the Flyers and plays in Europe.
2) It wouldn’t affect the cap because he’s already not on the NHL roster. Again, see Hovinen. Both are listed under the “Non-Roster” players on CapGeek.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Could have just used the Jonas Lehtivuori example, but yeah, you’re right.
The Flyers can loan Backlund to Europe, after he clears waivers, and he doesn’t count against the cap, but he still counts against the 50-contract limit.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 20, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Good work, hintzy.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 20, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, echoed.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 20, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Christobal Huet is an even better example (he of the one way contract, like Backlund); and he is still counting toward Chicago’s 50 man limit.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 20, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ooooh :(
I’m still learning too :/
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly - Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 20, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, you have multiple topics to keep track of and lots of different stories to write. I have a single focus, so I end up having highly specialized knowledge, that’s all. :P
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 20, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at capgeek I see several teams have a 24 man roster. What are the rules with regard to roster size during the off-season? I know they can exceed the cap so long as they are under by the start of the season, but is the roster number not relevant?
The 23 man limit isn’t really relevant. Players are considered to be on the active roster at this point if they were on the active roster after the trade deadline the previous year.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 20, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Something to say? Choose one of these options to log in.
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Broad Street Hockey
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
SBNation.com Recent Stories
In Association With
Latest Puck Daddy - NHL from Yahoo! Sports
- Eulogy: Remembering the 2011-12 New York Rangers
- Stanley Cup Final: 5 keys for New Jersey Devils and Los Angeles Kings
- Friday’s Three Stars: Devils head to Final; Brodeur, Kovalchuk the difference in Game 6
- Devils eliminate Rangers in Game 6, ending fear of the past, setting course for the future
- Adam Henrique sends New Jersey Devils to Stanley Cup Final with OT goal vs. Rangers (VIDEO)
