For Jagr, joining Flyers wasn't about money [with transcript]
There's a lot of bitterness in Pittsburgh over Jaromir Jagr's decision to sign with the Philadelphia Flyers. It's understandable, too. Remember that feeling when John LeClair finished his career in Pittsburgh? Yeah, that sucked.
But if you've talked to a Pittsburgh fan (especially one that loves No. 68) over the last 24 hours or so, how are they justifying Jagr turning their backs on them and hopping across the middle-of-nowhere part of Pennsylvania to Philly? It's all money. Money, money, money.
How else could you explain it? The Flyers offered more money -- $1.3 million more, to be exact -- and that's why Jagr will wear orange and black instead of black and gold.
Here's Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review this morning, in a story titled "Jagr's greed wins out again". (Yikes, sour grapes much?)
Rather, it's always about the money with Jagr. Once a mercenary, always a mercenary.
When Jagr accepted a one-year, $3.3 million offer from Philadelphia, he spurned not only the Penguins - who offered $2 million - but also the Detroit Red Wings, another perennial contender, and the Montreal Canadiens, where his Czech friend Tomas Plekanec plays. So you know this much for sure: Jagr's decision had nothing to do with winning, a coach's system, a comfort level and certainly not legacy. The Flyers simply swooped in Thursday and tossed more cash on the table.
This wasn't about greener pastures. It was about going for the green.
It had nothing to do with winning or a system or legacy or anything. Just money.
Except when you give that sentence a bit of a smell test, it just doesn't add up, especially when compared to what Jagr had to say for himself when meeting with the media via conference call on Saturday morning.
Look at it this way: if this had nothing to do with his legacy and it was all about money, why would he even bother coming back to North America? He said himself that he could play fewer games and make more money in the KHL than he even will in the NHL.
It's not about his Pittsburgh legacy or any legacy with a particular team. It's about his legacy as one of the all-time greats to ever play in the NHL, and proving that he can still do so at a high level. Quite frankly, he doesn't give a shit about Pittsburgh or New York or Washington or even Philadelphia.
He cares about playing in the NHL, and he just so happens to think that the coaches and the system and the comfort level and the other players and the entire situation with the Flyers will help him do that at the highest level.
Just look at some of these quotes today. Is this a guy who only cares about money, and doesn't care about the situation he's putting himself in?
Before I start talking, it surprised me when you said money - there were a lot more teams with a higher offer than Philadelphia. I didn't think I was going to go there, but after the conversation with the coaches and Chris Pronger, I started to like it and I also like that there is something to this from their side, and that was important to me.
A lot more teams with a higher offer than Philadelphia. Yep.
When I looked, for me, a centerman, a good player like Briere or Giroux, who are right handed, have a right-handed shot. I like to play power play on the right side, and I think because they're right-handed, they like to play on the other side.
I think it would be a problem if I would play in Pittsburgh with Crosby or Malkin, left handed, and have to play on the other side, when I've played all my life on the right side, I don't think I would be able to play there.
Or if I go to Detroit, with Datsyuk and Zetterberg, they're left-handed and they play on the boards where I used to play at. I don't think I would have a chance to play at all. If I'm going to play good, at least I have a chance to play. That was the other thing I was thinking.
Oh, weird. Like... maybe the Flyers were actually just a good match on the ice, and it didn't matter that he played with Pittsburgh and won two Cups there, and it wasn't about nostagia for him or any of that other BS that players generally don't care about nearly as much as we do.
Was part of it about money? Yeah, perhaps. It's always about money in some sense, whether you're a Hall of Fame hockey player or a plumber or a gas station attendant.
But let's just get it out of the way: he didn't choose the Flyers over the Penguins because the Flyers offered him more money. He picked the Flyers over the Penguins (and Red Wings and whoever else) because he thinks he fits in better with the Flyers. It's that simple.
Here's the full transcript of Jagr's talk today.
Q: Why Philadelphia, over Pittsburgh or other teams?
Before I start talking, it surprised me when you said money - there were a lot more teams with a higher offer than Philadelphia. I didn't think I was going to go there, but after the conversation with the coaches and Chris Pronger, I started to like it and I also like that there is something to this from their side, and that was important to me.
Q: What did you like about Philadelphia that swayed you here?
"There's a lot of things. When you're talking to the GM and the coaches, you kind of have a sense of what they're trying to do. I also liked that they made a great move with the goalies before I even signed with them. I follow a little bit of the NHL even though I haven't been there for three years, I follow it, and I know Philadelphia's defense is very good. There are some guys that when I was the NHL I played against and it was always tough to play against them. They're not only good defensively, but they're also good offensively, and that's very important in the new style of the NHL. I'm going to have an opportunity to play a little more than [I would] with other teams. Philadelphia made those trades, and I know it's going to be tough for the fans because the GM traded two very good players, and it's not easy for the fans to see it, but I think it would be a lot easier for me to come in if the team stayed the way it was before, but you never know.
Q: Why now and not any time in the last three seasons?
"I had a contract. I couldn't do it."
Q: There was never any thought of trying to buy your way out of that, an offer strong enough from an NHL club?
"A few years ago, when I was leaving, when I was in the NHL, the Russian team came in February, during the season, and asked me if I wanted to go to Russia. Back then, I didn't know. I was playing there during the lockout and I really liked it, everything about it. Back then I wanted to play for the New York Rangers, and I promised [Omsk] if I don't make a deal with the New York Rangers, I'm going to go to Omsk. That's what I promised them. Three years ago with the free agency, we couldn't make any deals with Glen Sather. So like I promised, I signed with Avangard Omsk. But right after I signed, there were very good offers from the NHL. But I told myself I'm not going to look back, because I already did what I did. It was kind of tough to leave, because then I saw there was more interest from the NHL, but I had already made the promise. I know for some people it might be just words, but for me, I'm very religious, I know it would bite me a little later. I know that. That's the way the word works.
Q: Would you have stayed in the NHL or were you happy with the decision to go to Russia for three years?
"That's exactly what I said, that I'm not going to look back. I made the decision three years ago and I said I'm going to go over there. You just think it might be better, it might be worse. You never know. There's only one life. We cannot compare it with anything else. You can match it, how it was going to be, but that's not real. So I said I'm not going to look back, if I made a good decision or a bad decision. I just made the decision and stayed with it.
Q: Are you concerned that you may have damaged your relationship with Mario Lemieux over the last week?
"I talked to him once, and it wasn't very long - just talked about the organization and how it would be. I didn't talk to him since I was in the NHL. I didn't promise anybody anything, that I was going back. The Penguins seemed like I did something wrong or something bad, and I don't think I did something bad. If they feel like that, I cannot change their minds. I was a free agent, and I had my chance to pick wherever I think is best for me. Everybody does in the world. I have the option to pick. It doesn't mean that if somebody wants you or they're telling you they would like you to be on their team, that it means I have to go there - I still have the choice. At least that's what I think. I still have the choice to make a decision where I'm going to go. If I hurt somebody, I apologize, I didn't mean it, but this is my life and I want to make the choice. It's tough for me to explain in English, it would be a lot easier for me to explain in Czech because I didn't speak a lot of English in the last three years. I could even explain in Russian better. I have to learn better English now. But hopefully you guys understand what I'm trying to say.
Q: What are your impression of the Flyers centers and playing alongside them?
"I didn't look at a roster... I wasn't here for three seasons, and during those three years, when I looked at [all the NHL] lineups, all the new guys, there's probably half of the young guys I don't know. There are a lot of young guys in the league. When I looked, for me, [I looked for] a centerman, a good player like Briere or Giroux, who are right handed, have a right-handed shot. I like to play power play on the right side, and I think because they're right-handed, they like to play on the other side. I think it would be a problem if I would play in Pittsburgh with Crosby or Malkin, left handed, and have to play on the other side, when I've played all my life on the right side, I don't think I would be able to play there. Or if I go to Detroit, with Datsyuk and Zetterberg, they're left-handed and they play on the boards where I used to play at. I don't think I would have a chance to play at all. If I'm going to play good, at least I have a chance to play. That was the other thing I was thinking.
Q: The length, the one-year contract - is that mutual for both sides?
I wanted one year. I never talked about more than one year. I think it's better for me, I think it's better for the team, because you don't know how things are going to go. You might think it's going to be good, you might hope it's going to be good, but there's no guarantees. And if something goes wrong, why have two years? Why?
Q: You said something about the changing of the roster and it would be easier if those guys were still there. Are you talking about pressure on you because of who you are, and the expectations that could be put on you?
There's always going to be pressure. That's not the problem. The only thing I'm worried about is that there are a lot of people who counted on me to help them. If the things were only about myself, I'm not worried about it. If I play bad and people criticize me, that's fine. But on the other side, if I play bad, people are going to criticize those people who brought me to Philadelphia. That would be tough for me. That's the way I think. It would be tough for me because I let somebody down who believed in me. With my age, that's the toughest thing. That's the way I look at it.
Q: Do you feel after not being in the NHL for several years that you can jump back into NHL hockey and be a productive player?
I don't know. There's no guarantees. I hope so. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't have come here. I could easily stay in Russia, make a lot more money and play 60 games. I wanted to try it. I wanted to have the feeling. I believe it's for my good, and hopefully the team too.
Q: Have you set any goals for yourself?
"I have only one goal, and that's making people happy. To make them happy, to those people who believe I can be good. That's my goal. If I make them happy, I'll be happy.
Q: How do you compare to yourself to when you last played in the NHL?
"I don't know. You'd have to ask somebody else who saw me years ago and then saw me last month. I don't know. We'll have to wait and see."
Q: Can you compare the level of play in the KHL to the NHL?
"I've always said that the league is a totally different game on the big ice. That's why there's so many great players who play on the small ice that when they come on the big ice, they can't play. It's a totally different game. It's tough to compare. If you had asked me three years ago, I would have told you I love to play on the small ice. I played there for 17 years. I felt a lot stronger than anybody, and I can play on the boards. It was a lot easier for me to play hockey on the small ice. But when I get to the big ice, I had to get used to it. I couldn't play the same style. I had to change, had skate a lot more. You cannot stand. You have to skate a lot more. I think I'm better than I was, but you have to skate all the time. If you stand there, you don't have a chance to play on the big ice.
Q: Conditioning-wise, the Flyers were talking about how you have re-committed yourself.
"Well, I don't think I recommitted. I've always been a hard worker. If I didn't work hard I wouldn't have a chance to play. If you want to be the best, if you want to be one o the best, you have to work extremely hard. There's no other secret. The more you work, the better you're going to be. I was really lucky in Pittsburgh. I always loved to work when I was younger. But I came to Pittsburgh when I was younger, and there were different players who were extremely hard-working guys like Paul Coffey, Kevin Stevens, Rick Tocchet. I loved it. I think for the young players, if you have a chance to watch the older guys and how they work, it's going to help you. They show you the different ways of thinking. Young guys, I don't think you know if you're young. You just have to make the next step. They challenged me. Paul Coffey, I'll always remember, he always told me, you have to do whatever I do. And I know it was tough for me, but he always you said you have to do it, and I did it. And thanks to him and those guys, I'm still playing.
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I liked Jagr’s answers to a lot of these questions — especially his comments about being a left-handed shot as opposed to Briere and Giroux. He gave it some kind of thought, anyway. I’m just glad it doesn’t look like he’ll end up being this season’s Nik Zherdev.
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I expect he will be this years Zherdev.
Scoring a lot when he is dressed and on the ice, but sitting out a lot of games.
I simply do not think he will be able to constantly put a 100% effort into Lavys system and if you dont want him butting heads with Captain Pronger in the lockeroom, simply bench him; keep him rested; and let him do his stuff in short spurts.
Unlikely to happen
See my other posts. I believe Lavi will be under tremendous pressure to play him, unlike Z, unless Jagr overtly messes up. This would not include the occasional missed assignment that seems to set Lavi off.
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I have see your posts and respect your insights, but I have also seen J.J. his entire career.
I agree about the pressure to put him on the ice.
Because of that pressure from the F.O. , I could see them playing JJ lot up to and including the winter classic, but after the mid season show is over, I expect him to miss a lot of road games
I could see them playing JJ lot up to and including the winter classic, but after the mid season show is over, I expect him to miss a lot of road games
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That’s an interesting spin. And I wouldn’t be that upset over that if he already had, say, 18-20 goals by January 15.
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The problem will arise when we are 9 pts out of a playoff spot in early Feb
by Prometheus74 on Jul 4, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited
I cant say for sure why, but I’m excited about this season. IRS different than tha beginning of last season whe I expected great thongs. I’m not sure I expect greatness, but the excitement is there.
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by Gregus on Jul 4, 2011 1:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Such bitterness from the Pittsburgh papers. Good to see that their hockey media sucks, too.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Would love to go trolling and post his answers about more money elsewhere, and see what blows up, but you can’t always show someone what they don’t want to know, especially on the internet
G, the second coming of Foppa.
IDK, Im not convinced
When has an athlete ever come out and said "I only signed here because you guys offered the most money?
I doubt that Jagr had a significantly bigger offer somewhere else.
by philiafan14364 on Jul 2, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
So he was lying twice when he said: 1. I had a bigger offer eslewhere; and 2. I could have stayed in the KHL and made more to play less?
G, the second coming of Foppa.
The second part is probably true, but Im not so sure about the first one. If he did have a bigger offer elsewhere in the NHL, it probably wasn’t by much.
The KHL seems to be a less desirable place to play for the majority of hockey players, despite the fact that they routinely make more money there. Him choosing to play in the NHL for less money seems to be on par with what a lot of other guys do, so I wouldn’t put too much weight in that.
by philiafan14364 on Jul 2, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy is a folk hero in Philly now. I’m still giddy he came back here. And basically gave N.Y. the finger. Haha…
by 92-74-99-96 on Jul 2, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would like to not have to rely on him as much as his salary suggests, especially after his “I don’t know” answer. He may put up big numbers, though, who knows.
You mean when he said he didn’t know if he would be able to compete because he hasn’t been in the NHL for three years? I’m not very worried, may take a month to adjust back to the rink and checking style, but you have some period like that no matter what; look at Versteeg this past season. Also, the comment about having to skate a lot more on bigger ice will hopefully help in Lavy’s system, having better conditioning.
I have also read he has matured a bit, less of a flake than he was, and was already asking about the team style and practice regiment, saying he needs to be working hard. Putting everything together that I have heard, I am very optimistic about how he will do this year.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
After re-reading, I think the comment was meant to fit in with the overall theme of humility he’s putting out there. Hopefully his work ethic is everything he says it is here, as the new leadership core will likely have little tolerance for the “sense of entitlement” we heard about so often last season. It’s probably also pretty safe to assume he’ll immediately improve our powerplay and maybe having success there be a catalyst to even strength success. Here’s hoping anyway!
They’re in shock that someone, anyone, doesn’t have Shittsburgh as their first choice in anything. After all, they’re the best. I liked Jagr’s honesty in this piece.
by 92-74-99-96 on Jul 2, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Off Topic but...
#LAKings reach verbal agreement with left wing Simon Gagne on two-year contract. More details to come.
I know some of you just died a bit in side. Condolences.
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Flyers West…will be rooting for that team again this year
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This.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 2, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like it’s too soon for the Flyers to bring him back. The emotions are still too raw. At least for me.
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Kings sign Simon Gagne, 2 years, $7 million.
$3.5 mil. cap hit. Interesting. Considering that Jagr’s hit was $3.3 mil, Gagne was certainly in their price range.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 2, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, I just didn’t know where else to post the news and figured this most recent thread was where most ppl would be able to see it.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 2, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
With that said, this team looks pretty much set then, right?
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.800m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.850m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Tom Sestito ($0.550m) / / Ian Laperriere ($1.166m) (moved onto LTIR as necessary)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,422,262; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $877,738
by philiafan14364 on Jul 2, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Schenn, will or should start the year on the team, but if they don’t make another move then I would guess they are expecting him to be on the team.
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I was trying to think of any other moves that the Flyers might try to make and I remembered I saw this:
Hearing tbl have 2 proposals on the table for stamkos, 5yr around $7.5 aav and a 15 yr package that rivals ovechkins #‘s. Leaning to the 5.Honestly, I really hope that neither of those proposals are from the Flyers (although getting Stamkos on a $7.5 mil cap hit isn’t too shabby) but, the meme most connected with the Flyers recently is, you never know!
Considering how unabashedly the Flyers have been pursuing players like Brad Richards and Steven Stamkos, I don’t think it is too crazy to think that the Flyers may very well make another considerable move before the start of the season.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 2, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to feel the same way.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 2, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I just might do it myself. He is good…
by 92-74-99-96 on Jul 2, 2011 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought it was agreed that the Flyers didnt have the picks to offer a $7.5 cap hit?
by philiafan14364 on Jul 2, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically they do...
If they lose Hartnell & Shenn plays in the AHL
It looks like that says that the Lightning have made two different offers to Stamkos.
What can't Giroux do?
Oh, yes, now that I’ve read that again, I think you are right. I misread it into thinking they had two proposals on the table for Stamkos from other teams. My bad, folks.
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by Mitchell Green on Jul 2, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have Little Wellie than Jody Shelley, but I agree that appears to be the most plausible opening day lineup (except possibly with Sestito in the AHL for the first couple games to accumulate more cap space).
Bob.
I don’t think he could say anything that would appease Pens fans. Oh well, their loss. But it sounds to me like Jagr actually cared more about the hockey side of things, rather than the money. It’s a nice change, I gotta say. Although, he just be BSing all of us too. Time will tell. Definitely going to be weird seeing him in Orange and Black. :)
I am excited to watch him play. I really don’t care if it was or wasn’t about money. Most would do the same thing.
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by Rrainone on Jul 2, 2011 4:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
According to Carchidi
#Flyers expect to sign Simmonds in a few days. Getting real close.
Sounds like #Flyers will sit tight for a few days and then might make a minor move.
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IMO, there are only 2 possible moves from here that make sense, and help get Schenn at least a few games experience under his belt in the AHL (which, IMO, would have helped JvR in 2009), and that’s Arnott or Madden, and I’m not thrilled with either choice (think Edmonton would trade for Belanger? I mean, who needs draft choices?).
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Guess Sarah Baicker was talking out of her ass last night when she teased a major trade was in the works.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 2, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve read this a few times and I still don’t see what your trying to point out?
That because she hasn’t heard anything concrete she has nothing to report? Well what about last night when she had nothing concrete but decided to report that there was supposedly something big in the works?
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Possibly to much to drink and access to her twitter?? Or a poor attempt to be glib on her part??
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I have no idea what it is. I have no problem with what she said today. I have a problem with the fact that she had to say it because of what she should have never said yesterday.
If you don’t really have anything to report, which last night she didn’t, then don’t report anything. The great majority of trade rumors are either false or fall through, so why do yourself the disservice of linking yourself to a potential rumor when all you know is that something is in the works, no names, no destinations, no numbers, nothing.
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I’m not trying to point anything out. Just posting what she said today.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 2, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
well no fucking shit
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 2, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Realistically, after the last couple weeks, what else could they do? I think were about done. Can’t wait for October!
by 92-74-99-96 on Jul 2, 2011 4:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The more I think about this, and see comments from all over, I don’t know what the huge fuss is over Jagr signing here. I have stated and continue to believe it will take me a few games to get use to seeing him in Flyer’s orange, but why would you stop watching a team over something like this?
The guy was a Ranger after he was a Pen. Then he’s been completely out of the league for three years. Why would he have allegiance to anyone in particular? He beat the Flyers when he was in Pitt, and somewhat when on the Rangers, but so did Prongs. So did Z. I think a situation like Talbot’s is what would have made it weird, had Jagr suddenly moved to the Flyers right after playing there last season. I haven’t seen any blow up about that (from the Flyers end at least) for Max, maybe just because he’s a role player, not a superstar whom you remember so much. Ehh, whatever, just my 2¢
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I thought this too, until I saw j reed’s photoshop of Chipper Jones in a Phils cap.
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Jagr is most likely going to have one decent season in Philadelphia (maybe something similar to his 2007-08 season) But it’s not going to rival the 11 seasons he spent with Pittsburgh
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by The Last Shall Become First on Jul 2, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
I watched Jagr’s career and personality unfold over a period of about 10 years in Pitt, and I can tell you that what you see (and hear) isn’t always what you get. The comments about Crosby and malkin scream BS. He never tallied more points with any center than he did with Ron francis who is……. a lefty. He sounds exactly as I remember him, and I am very glad he signed elsewhere (doesn’t matter what team).
Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s only a 1 year deal. If it doesn’t work out, oh well. It will certainly make for interesting TV on 24/7, watching Pronger trying to kick the bitch out of him.
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by RLM140 on Jul 2, 2011 6:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He never tallied more points with any center than he did with Ron francis who is……. a lefty.
And what year was that? If you’re going off point totals, you have to account for eras.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 2, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The point I was making wasn’t the exact point totals, but the fact that he was a prolific scorer with a lefty centerman. Him saying he can’t play with certain guys because they shoot left or right is a stupid comment. He may prefer a righty, but he has proven that he can play with a lefty, as well.
Not sure exactly what season, I just looked at overall point totals and linemates.
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by RLM140 on Jul 2, 2011 7:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 2, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
holy crap
he conjured up a robert lange reference…wow…old school
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 3, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No, Jagr didn’t play with Lang. Lang played with Kovalev and Straka. Jagr won scoring titles with the likes of Kip Miller and German Titov as his centers. Right handed center is a bunch of bs flowing out of his mouth considering that Malkin plays the point anyway in the PP or did he not expect to play even strength? Best right handed center he played with was obviously mario, both we can all agree that was more the player than his shooting hand.
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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 3, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The thing with Jagr isn’t simply that we’re mad he signed with Philadelphia. Honestly, I could care less about that, and it didn’t affect my view of other Penguin/Flyer deals like Recchi, Tocchet, and so on (although I admit I cringed for most of the season seeing Asham in a Penguins uni). The problem we have is that he so totally bullshitted Mario: see the “my heart’s in Pittsburgh” and “I’ll take less to play for Mario” comments he’s made both recently and in the last few years. It was as if he’d been setting the Penguins up the whole time to use them as an aid to get a bigger contract elsewhere. That it was Philadelphia he signed with just elicited a, “Oh, of course it is,” response.
Plus, it was easier for Pens fans to remember the glory days of having Jagr on the team and to forget how big of a jerk he was to pretty much everyone he crossed paths with before he pulled this stunt.
Maybe I’m being sympathetic, but I feel like the comments Jagr made about playing for league minimum were very contextual (i.e. he was saying how much he’d rather play in the NHL thank the KHL. Not saying what he did to the Pens was cool… just trying to justify it.
I hope Jagr dominates and puts up 90 points this year.
It's a hockey, you know. it's only... it's only game. Why you heff to be mad?
Jagr will suck
As an outsider, a Sens fan from Ottawa, I can only say that you did just fine this summer with all the new acquisitions until this move. You will thank whichever God you pray to that it is only a one year contract. Jagr will suck a big one and he’ll suck alot of players down with him.

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