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Zherdev and the season that went down in flames

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"I went to Philadelphia in good spirits and had a great preseason. The coach was pleased with me after the preseason games and told me I would be on the top two lines."

"But when the season began, it all went down in flames."

This is how Nikolay Zherdev describes the beginning of his turbulent season with the Flyers. It went on to be full of misunderstandings and mysteries.

Let's hear about it from the man himself as he describes his feelings about getting scratched to make room for the likes of Jody Shelley, to his relationship with his ex-teammates, ex-coach and ex-GM.

Let's start with coach Peter Laviolette, the key factor on why Zherdev's season went the way it did. Down in flames.

"Unfortunately, he didn’t have confidence in me."

"I can’t say that he favors skill based hockey. Some skilled players received normal ice time from him. But if you talk about me, I was never on the top two lines. It was like that right from the start of the season. So I couldn’t even dream about putting up good numbers."

Zherdev isn't sure if his lack of ice time was because of something he did wrong.

"I don’t know. It was more that he simply decided not to change the top two lines that he had had in place already the year before, when the Flyers reached the Cup finals."

Zherdev did have talks with Laviolette.

"Of course. He said I must fight more. [laughs] But I’m not a fighter. Of course, sometimes I can fight and throw punches. But I can’t play all the games like that. For example, if I hurt someone in a game situation, I can back it up in the North American style."

Sometimes the size of the contract can have an effect on the lineup. The bigger the contract, the bigger the minutes. Zherdev doesn't think this was the case with him.

"I don’t think so. There were players on the top lines who earned less than me."

Zherdev is still puzzled about what he could have done better.

"It’s a mystery to me. I think that for those five to seven minutes I got to play in a game, I gave it my all and did the best I could. Especially when you consider I once sat six weeks in the pressbox between the games."

Even Jody  Shelley got ice time over Zherdev, which surprised many.

"It didn’t hurt me. It’s a shame, of course. I believed I could play more and help the team, but I was just in the doghouse. It was what it was."

Moving on to Paul Holmgren after the jump.

Star-divide

After constant scratchings, Zherdev was put on waivers midseason.

"Naturally it wasn’t very good news. At first I was scratched half of the time, not allowed to play. And then GM Paul Holmgren invited me to his office and told me about the waivers and said: ‘Nikolay, this is just how it is now.’"

"And then, when no one picked me from waivers, he said: ‘Come on, get to work. We believe in you.’"

Zherdev wasn't all that delighted to hear Holmgren call him an outsider on the Flyers and not understanding why he preferred a car service over rides from his teammates.

"I read the Holmgren interview a little while ago where he said that he wasn’t happy that I used a car service in Philadelphia and didn’t ask any of my teammates to give me a ride instead and that I stayed by myself."

"Tell me, how can he say stuff like that when he has seen me four times? How does he know what kind of a person I am?"

"And why couldn’t I use a car service if I don’t have a car? Personally, I think I did nothing wrong there, considering I wasn’t familiar with the city that was new to me."

"He also said that I wasn’t a part of the team. Yeah, of course I wasn’t. I sat in the press box for a month and a half and then he told me to get out there and play."

"If I’m in the roster, I should actually be on the team. Not just go to the practices without any chances to help the team. To help them win the Stanley Cup."

So the Flyers did have a chance to win the Cup?

"A chance. As we say, the coach wins, the team loses." [smiles]

Moving on to ex-teammates. Was Zherdev shocked to hear about the trades involving Mike Richards and Jeff Carter? The answer is blunt.

"It wasn’t a shock to me, because I don’t play there anymore."

But unlike for hix ex-coach and ex-GM, Zherdev has nice words for his ex-teammates.

"I had normal contact with these guys. Especially with the captain, Richards. He always helped me. And in general, I was always helped by two guys there; Richards and Brière."

What about Bob? How does Zherdev see the young goaltender do in his sophomore season?

"Actually, it isn’t fully clear yet where he will play. It seemed like they made up their minds about him, but then changed their minds. If he stays and becomes the backup for Bryzgalov, he’s going to play 15 games per season. That’s bad."

"But if Bobrovsky gets traded to another team that would make him the starter, he will have another brilliant season."

"Now everything depends on how he does in practices. Not much else can be done about it."

Does Zherdev see tough times ahead for Ilya Bryzgalov in Philadelphia?

"He will be okay. As long as he won’t take a taxi." [laughs]

Zherdev is a free agent now, considering his future options.

"I have no timetable. I’m not in a hurry, I have time."

"I remember a case a few years ago I had already played ten games in Russia and then one NHL team gave me a good offer."

"Now I’m just focusing on getting prepared for a new season and choose the best contract for me. The agent handles everything else."

The negotiations are on, but Zherdev says he's not aware of all the details.

"I don’t know all the details of the situation. The agent does."

"But I can say that I’m seriously considering all offers from both NHL and KHL."

Right now it sounds like the Winnipeg Jets and Atlant of the KHL are the two most likely options for Zherdev. Some free agents are said to be avoiding Winnipeg because of the cold weather there in the winter. Zherdev says it wouldn’t be a problem for him.

"The weather is not a priority to me. The most important thing is to get a good role on the team, a good coach and a good contract. Everything related to climate and geography doesn’t basically mean anything."

"I met with Vityaz GM Alexei Zhamnov a little while ago, he played three years in Winnipeg. He said it’s very cold and a lot of snow there in the winter, which just makes it an ideal place for hockey. Great!"

"Manitoba doesn’t scare me. I wasn’t born in Africa afterall."

Long term contracts have become more common these days and many players seem to prefer them to get some stability in their lives. Zherdev is known as a journeyman who signs one year deals, switching teams every year. He says it's a choice.

"I just love the change of scenery. If it’s an option, I sign a contract for one year."

Sometimes players can just be a good fit on certain teams. Zherdev agrees and thinks there are teams out there that might be a good fit for him as well.

"You know, for some reason, the first teams that come to mind are Washington and Detroit. In general, I think finding a good fit is important."

"For example, the Flyers are more like an army where you need to fight."

 

This report was based off of a Russian-language story in the publication Sport-Express.

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Interesting stuff, I was always wondering what his feelings were on the situation.
Personally I am going to take Z’s side here. Lavy shouldnt need to ask players to
fight, and its sad to see such talent be put on the bench. Attitude aside, he is playing
to win, it seems like more of a ego based conflict in the FO. Now that I read this
is has me even more worried about this upcoming season and where our team is heading.

by MalibuLSV23 on Jul 28, 2011 6:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if Lavy’s instructions were lost in translation and he meant “fight” as in “try harder”, not “fight” as in “punch guys.” But yeah, from his comments it sounds like a lot of things were mishandled. It’s sad.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 28, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea its just ridiculous, cause they knew exactly what they were getting. And if they
get another player with his same temperament they better frickin handle like a professional

by MalibuLSV23 on Jul 28, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I took it like this as well and it must have gotten lost in translation. I don’t think Z even realized that fighting for a spot didn’t actually mean, fighting.

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by Val_d'Or on Jul 28, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does Zherdev see tough times ahead for Ilya Bryzgalov in Philadelphia?

“He will be okay. As long as he won’t take a taxi.” [laughs]

Hahaha. I love it. Great comments by Z in this article. I really can’t understand why he didn’t get any playing time either. Lavi never seemed to gave a reason, and while Zherdev is never going to be confused for Pavel Datsuyk, he seemed like he was trying to play two-way hockey. I’m still convinced he banged Lavi or Homer’s wife… or maybe both at the same time?

by FooFighter1124 on Jul 28, 2011 6:51 AM EDT reply actions  

*never seemed to give a reason

by FooFighter1124 on Jul 28, 2011 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Z got a raw deal.

by rugbyrowe on Jul 28, 2011 7:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Between how COlumbus, NYR, and we treated him, Im surprised he even wants to stay in the NHL. Seems like every team he plays for fucks him over.

Samesis

by JpH89 on Jul 28, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

But then it sounds like he likes the one-year deals, so maybe he doesn’t care.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 28, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he wanted a long term deal from the Rangers, went to arb, and when he won, the Rangers didn’t want to sign him so he had to play a year in Russia so he could become a FA.

Samesis

by JpH89 on Jul 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

When the Rags walked away from him it made him a free agent automatically. I don’t think he had much NHL interest because he wanted a contract similar to what the arbitrator awarded him. Thus he went to the KHL.

What can't Giroux do?

by tmurder on Jul 28, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I was pulling for Zherdev all season. After that “out of the penalty box, fuck you Rangers goal”, I thought we had found something special. Its a real shame to see it fall apart, especially the way it did according to this article.

RIP, VXZ line, or whatever we were gonna call it.

by zachtbhood on Jul 28, 2011 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Good read

Hope he does well wherever

by Hans S on Jul 28, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

This Story...

Pretty much sums up my opinion on the Flyers front office. Homer is a Jackass and Snider is riding this Jackass all the way to the bottom of the league.

With the way they are handling the current goalie situation, the way they handled Z, Ville, Richards & Carter I am pretty sure this team will have a cup drought until someone in the front office is axed.

And that’s just sad.

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Jul 28, 2011 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Homer and Snider have very little to do with what happened to Z. Homer may have waived him, but at that point Z was a $2 mill bench player because Lavy hated him. I think Lavy is coaching this team to the bottom.

Samesis

by JpH89 on Jul 28, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Homer is Lavy’s boss. He has plenty to do when it comes to the players and to think otherwise is just ridiculous.

All three of them are to blame.

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Jul 28, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Homer can’t control who Lavy plays and what role they play. If he did, then why bother paying for a coach?

Samesis

by JpH89 on Jul 28, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

homer can definitely control who plays

by B-minus19 on Jul 28, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why is he not on the bench if he has that kind of control? Why both paying Lavy the $3 mill if Homer calls the shots over him?

Samesis

by JpH89 on Jul 28, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on, use your head. it’s not like he calls all the line changes and whatnot, but if a coach has a personal grudge against a player and the gm doesn’t like that, he can be like “coach, play him or your out.”

by captj on Jul 28, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The other problem is, that it doesn’t seem like the GM and Coach are on the same page either. Wouldn’t you think that Homer and Lavvy would have met and discussed the Zherdev situation before 6 frigging weeks went by?

Also remember how everyone was saying that it was Zhderdev’s agent that demanded he be waived? I always thought that was absurd, and now we have at least from Zherdev’s side of the story that it was complete BS.

Also the car service thing is ridiculous. The guy is speaks english as a second language, has never lived here, arrives on a 1 year contract, has no car, and he is criticizing him for having a car service? WTF, he was supposed to wait around after practice and ask Giroux and Briere to give him a ride back to his apartment?

What kind of a half assed organization are the Flyers running, that they have players they are paying millions of dollars a year, and they don’t make any type of effort at all to bring them into the fold, and make them feel comfortable?

by Gizmoitus on Jul 29, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Of course. He said I must fight more. [laughs] But I’m not a fighter. Of course, sometimes I can fight and throw punches. But I can’t play all the games like that. For example, if I hurt someone in a game situation, I can back it up in the North American style.”

What? Lavy hates fighting. Why would he say this to Z? Or anyone for that matter?

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 28, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it’s a mistranslation. He wanted Zherdev to fight for playing time, not physically fight against other teams

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 28, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I am thinking as well.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 28, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

however, Lavvy is still a douche, and I hope he gets replaced

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 28, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then how does that relate to the final quote, where he calls the Flyers “an army” while unfavorably comparing them to the Wings and Caps? Not really against Z, but these comments about Lavi make no sense.

by Politik05 on Jul 28, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, I got it. He mistranslated what they were asking for. Sorry haha, long night.

by Politik05 on Jul 28, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally think it’s a misunderstanding as well. My guess is Lavy meant “fight for the puck”. I feel like we discussed him not being aggressive to get the puck back after a turnover and those type of things back at the beginning of the season.

Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.

by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 28, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lavvy is still a douche, and I blame him for last season’s failures. And when because the coach failed, we have what is in front of us today

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 28, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its a shame too, because we went though 3 coaches with the former team, and fired the two guys when the players were more at fault, and finally when it was the coach the screwed up, we traded the players.

Samesis

by JpH89 on Jul 28, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly. Zherdev misunderstood him and was like “whatever, I’m not a fighter.”

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 28, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

And for the record, Z got a raw deal big time. I honestly think I would take him over Lavy given the chance.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 28, 2011 8:33 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’d take Zherdev over Lavvy in a heartbeat. I said it last year when they waived Zherdev that it was one of many fatal mistakes. I have zero confidence in Lavvy, and well I hope he gets the Stevens treatment

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 28, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Count me in - the more this stuff comes out, with the stupidity of “Dry Island” and these details, the more I’m seeing that the only way up is with a new coach.

by Gizmoitus on Jul 29, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh. I know it’s not fair to judge based on one side of the story, and we on the outside will never know the entire truth, but my disappointment in our FO and the way they’ve handled things since the Finals loss just keeps growing.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 28, 2011 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

But we do get the other side in drips and drabs. For example, we were told that Zherdev’s agent wanted hiim to be waived. Now here’s Zherdev saying — no, he was told he was being waived, cause that’s the way the puck bounces.

by Gizmoitus on Jul 29, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I like/trust Lavs or Homer much anymore. The way they handled a lot of things over the past season/offseason has been pretty depressing. I thought we should’ve kept Richards and Carter, not screwed Zherdev who is incredibly talented and hardly was given a chance, given Bob a chance to be our starter, not overpay by a LOT for Bryz, not sign Jagr, etc, etc. I’m really losing faith in our front office and coach and i don’t like the direction the Flyers are heading. If Giroux, JVR, and Schenn don’t all turn out to be big stars, we’re screwed for a lot of years to come.

Danny Fist-Pump Strikes Again!!!

by MeszarosKillsPeople on Jul 28, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

For Zherdev fans, why does no one want him including his old KHL team? I think that says it all.

by psuhockey on Jul 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

You are right, but there has to be some truth to what he said?

by MalibuLSV23 on Jul 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not a fan, and I’m not a hater, I’m a realist. That said, you should check out the free agents still out there. There are a lot of players that aren’t signed still.

So the fact he isn’t signed anywhere yet says that the FA period isn’t over. I think the fact that he prefers 1 year deals has a lot to do with it.

You sir are a gentleman of four outs!

by DLJr on Jul 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

His old KHL team does want him, but Z is hoping for a good offer from NHL teams. And just cause he didn’t sign doesnt mean nobody wants him. The guy made $2 mill last year. For all we know, he could have had 15 offers at minimum, but is holding out for more $$$. Its not like he has to sign by now.

Samesis

by JpH89 on Jul 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good god, this is frustrating.

"We didn't do it the easy way. We took the hard way to do it. But we are part of history now."

by ww2b on Jul 28, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the report!

It’s beyond frustrating to read his comments and how he was treated by the FO. This quote made me laugh though…. “Manitoba doesn’t scare me. I wasn’t born in Africa afterall.”

by JLS89 on Jul 28, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Amazing what a year will do. 2 seasons ago, you were all calling Lavy coach of the century. now, we’re saying he’s coaching the team to the bottom. Come on, guys. I’m not a fan of what he did this year, but at least be consistent. He’s not this horrific figure that you’re making him out to be. He’s a good coach.

by RH16 on Jul 28, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I agree. I’m not ready to fire him just yet. He’s a good coach. I’m just disappointed in some decisions and the way some things were mishandled. There have been a lot of interesting turns. But he’s still a good coach.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if you look at the people posting the complaints versus the people posting the praise, they’ve been consistent.

You should be more careful when lumping individual posters in to one giant BSH opinion. CCB has been consistently against Lavy for a while.

You sir are a gentleman of four outs!

by DLJr on Jul 28, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should be more careful when lumping individual posters in to one giant BSH opinion.

This.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Jul 28, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I second that notion.

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Jul 28, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

that damn Zherdev waiver move pushed me off the rocker

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 28, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I really didn’t like that either, and I was shaking my head from the day the Flyers signed him—as we all have said, you know what you’re getting. But I will say one thing, I really noticed (with my eyes here) a change in his game after that. He seemed to play much more of a physical game from that point on when he was in the line up.

G, the second coming of Foppa.

by JerseyDriver on Jul 28, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Firing Lavy is not going to fix this team. The problem with this team is in the F.O.

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Jul 28, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also your firing a coach and system your currently building a team around….

Lets be fair, his system relies on speed, teanacity, and constant forward moving pressure.

The amount of pure Defense in it is minimal at best.

I think that the way the team has moved this off-season is more fitting with the system.

I shudder to think what this team would play like with sudden coaching change to something like Buffalo is using.

My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.

by 02h32m01s on Jul 28, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And to be even more fair I’m sure everyone remembers what his system and his style of play did for us in the first half of last season and second half of 09-10. He’s a good coach. And everyone makes mistakes. Plus I remember zherdev making his fair share of stupid lazy plays like the rest of the team. He just didn’t happen to have long standing with the team and was already labeled as I guess lazy. It was probably a short leash first thing wrong kind of thing. Who knows there’s too much speculation

by profoundnotions on Jul 30, 2011 1:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He’s a good coach.

He wasn’t in the playoffs this year with his line match ups. He was actually horrendous, particularly against Boston. Maybe it’s an isolated incident, but it doesn’t instill confidence that when he loses one of his best (two way) forwards in Carter, he immediately starts getting dominated in the match up department; especially moving forward without Richards and Carter, who provided you with two elite shut down lines (one of which also dominated the competition in terms of Corsi).

I always thought Lavy was hard headed, and the Z thing didn’t surprise me, it’s what I expected (I always said it would be a complete train wreck or end up being the greatest match, but nothing in between given what has been said about each person’s personality). Other things have actually worried me about him as a coach, particularly in the playoffs last year with the goaltenders and the line matching.

You sir are a gentleman of four outs!

by DLJr on Jul 28, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t seem to care about matchups and what is perhaps the most frustrating aspect of his coaching is the line juggling. I guess if your last name isn’t Briere, Hartnell, or the departed Leino, you could see ice time on any line with him as a coach.

Watching Michael Leighton start in the playoffs was the epitome of this.

"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"

by PraiseMartyMoose on Jul 28, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree, he was all about line match ups, then in that Boston series seemed to lose his mind for a few games. Power v power is ok with some 1st lines, but not Briere’s.

G, the second coming of Foppa.

by JerseyDriver on Jul 28, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

the 4 game sin the Boston series he did horrible. It was also the only series where he was completely without Carter. He also got out matched pretty badly in Buffalo. I’m sorry, but I don’t give any coach much credit for being able to “line match” when you have a selke candidate centering your 3rd line, and Carter and Giroux on your second line. He had an embarrassment of riches that made line matching easy enough for a rock. My main concern is that on the biggest stage, where line matching is critical and he was only missing Carter from a forward perspective, he completely screwed the pooch. Now I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but it’ll be something I’ll watch carefully. It’s never a good feeling when a player goes down and immediately the coach seems to not be able to line match any more.

You sir are a gentleman of four outs!

by DLJr on Jul 28, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, completely agree.

G, the second coming of Foppa.

by JerseyDriver on Jul 28, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I'm not mistaken

The same thing happened in carolina… Made the cup run… Then everyone turned on him… Can’t be a coincidence

by Johnny G on Jul 28, 2011 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

in their Cup campaign they overachieved. They played better than what was expected of them, and got a few breaks along the way (NJ, BOS collapse, and MON). However, but whatever amount they overachieved with the help of Lavvy, he caused them to underachieve considerably more than what they overachieved.

Basically, overachieving by a little bit doesn’t cancel out the massive fuck ups you had with a very talented team

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 28, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

he caused them to underachieve

If by that, you mean “He was out-coached in the playoffs,” then yes.

If by that, you mean “He actually made the team suck,” then no.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jul 28, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

read what I just typed below, I actually do think Lavy coached this team to suck at the end of the year with his moves(or lack of them).

Samesis

by JpH89 on Jul 28, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you run your team into the ground, and don’t leave them fresh for the playoffs

Yes, I believe you are making them suck

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 28, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never liked him, including the year we went to the cup. I was pissed about how he handled JVR, and the stupid way he would pull goalies between periods that year and I feel completely vindicated.

by Gizmoitus on Jul 29, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zherdev seems to broadcast on his own frequency. They shouldn’t have signed him if everyone in management wasn’t committed to coddling him, even at the expense of the “team” concept.

I wish we had gotten to see him more on the ice, but whatever responsibility you want to assign to management, if you read through Zherdev’s comments there isn’t a single place where he takes his share of responsibility for anything. It’s either “It’s a mystery” or “they did this..” He has an answer or an excuse for everything. It’s a sign of weak character to shrug your shoulders and at the same time point fingers. It’s not much of a stretch to see someone carrying those values to his work.

But shouldn’t Holmgren have known Laviolette wasn’t going to have any flex so that this was a doomed relationship from the start? Perhaps he saw it as low-risk high-reward given the contract terms.

by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 28, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Here’s how it works as a player in hockey. What you control is what you do when you lace up the skates, and what you do in the minimal amount of time you are not “working” which for a pro player is highly regimented. When you are travelling with the team, you are all together the entire time.

The organization and the coaches control every minute of that time. Like everything else in life, cliques develop and people who have things in common tend to gravitate towards each other. You have a ton of Canadian players, you have the French Canadians, and you have guys who have played together on other teams, and you have exactly 2 Russian speakers, both of which are brand new to the organization. Color me surprised that Zherdev wasn’t out in the parking lot leading the team around as he waved the Flyers flag. I’m sick of people painting quiet and introspective as being a character flaw.

Zherdev had no control whatsoever. He did the best he could where he could — on the ice. If he had sucked absolutely nobody would still be defending him.

I know that it’s possible to challenge a player to try harder, but that comes when you have a relationship built up with them. The two month when Zherdev sat in the press box, the team was on a slide, and things did not get better based on Lavvy’s moves, and no matter how you feel about Zherdev, the only person who can be blamed for that is the Coach (along with the GM for backing his decisions).

by Gizmoitus on Jul 29, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having been a quiet and introspective goalie during my quasi-competitive playing days I have a soft spot for that type of player because it is a misfit personality in most team environments.

Your portrait of the team environment makes sense. I do think, though, that a player still has some control over how he responds to what he is given (his attitude, for a lack of a better term) and has some agency in improving the situation. There is no question that sometimes the authority figure has it in for a guy and there is nothing he can do about it. If you’re claiming that Zherdev was powerless and without a role in the mishandling of his time here I can’t refute it having not been in the locker room.

What I am saying is that in general both sides have responsibility when a situation fails, and it is to me noteworthy that in the interview none of Zherdev’s language choices include any sense of personal responsibility for the situation. Maybe he had none, as you seem to suggest.

by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 29, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember the Beginning?

Just so everyone remembers (and I actually really like Zherdev) but when he first came to Philly he said he “couldn’t speak English” and wouldn’t talk to reporters and all that crap. That was all BS. So I can see him coming out and saying all of this stuff about the FO and Lavy and what not, but I take it with a grain of salt. Yes, I do think Lavy/Homer/Snider handled it wrong, but I don’t think they get all of the blame. Z can act like a child sometimes and I’m sure he did plenty while he was here with us. We can’t look past those things.

/stepping off soap box

"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."

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by Psy09 on Jul 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

a small reminder:

This article does not dispute his not speaking English claim, as its translated from a Russian-language sports article.

My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.

by 02h32m01s on Jul 28, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I know that. All I am saying is that he was trying to say that he couldn’t speak english at the beginning of the season to reporters, which was complete BS, and that doesn’t help anything he says now, because he “fabricates” the truth to make him seem better.

"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."

Flyers Television Play-by-Play Man: Jim Jackson

by Psy09 on Jul 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think everyone knows it took two parties to botch this experiment. If Lavy didn’t have his personality maybe it would have worked, if Z didn’t have his, maybe it would have worked. The FO took the risk, it didn’t work, and there is probably blame to be passed around to everyone. At the end of the day though, Lavy let skill rot in the press box, and in general, I have a problem with that, others don’t.

You sir are a gentleman of four outs!

by DLJr on Jul 28, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with this. I wonder how much of the anti-management venting going on here is a carryover from the trades and the poor finish, and not so much about Zherdev. Husband forgets the anniversary so wife gives him 10x the usual shit for awhile when he watches hockey instead of taking out the trash.

by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 28, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know that it’s BS when he hadn’t been speaking any english for several years?

by Gizmoitus on Jul 29, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m responding to DLJr’s two main points:

1. Responsibility is probably shared
2. Laviolette wasted the talent in the press box.

And also suggesting that the fan base is pissed off at the front office in general.

As a native English speaker who has lived in three non-English speaking countries I know that the language barrier can explain much about relationship difficulties. But I have no way of independently judging Zherdev’s comfort or competence in English, nor am I drawing any conclusions about it.

by flyersfaninchicago on Jul 29, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much of the anti-management venting going on here is a carryover from the trades and the poor finish, and not so much about Zherdev.

For me, at least, it’s cumulative. Any one of these little things that have irked me is fine, stuff happens, nobody’s perfect, and it’s all subjective anyway. But this has been a lot of stuff over the past year, roughly starting on July 1, 2010.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Aug 1, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Flyers front office = dents in my head from facepalming/facedesking so much (slight exaggeration, more than slight). The more you think about it, the more it pisses you off. Simple solution, don’t think about it and just see what happens

Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option

by Cillo stache on Jul 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

as an NHL coach, how do you not like skilled players?

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by wrighty54 on Jul 28, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

The difference is not Lavy hates skill, its that Lavy forced Zherdev into awful situations. Lavy would never put Z on the top 2 scoring lines, so he basically used a non-defensive player in defensive roles. And when Z couldn’t play the level of D that is expected from the role he was given, he got benched. Mainly, the problem was that when one of the top lines struggled, Lavy refused to use Z to make them better. Z could have easily out-produced Leino on the HBL line, especially late in the year. Or, Lavy could have alo put Z with Carter and JVR, and moved G to the Richards/Nodl line, which would have not only made Z better, but would have made Richards a better offensive guy last year. Then trading for Versteeg(which, if Lavy knew how to adjust his lines, we wouldn’t have needed to trade for), really made Z’s role as a backliner on the Flyers solid, and didn’t really get a chance until Carter got hurt. And guess what, Z was a very good player in that spot.

Samesis

by JpH89 on Jul 28, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This really doesn’t move my opinion much., but it does seem to make sense. The facts are still that he produced in the ridiculous fourth line role he was asked to place, and produced even better when paired with skill players. That seems to indicate someone who will help your team if you play him more.

And hey, if the whole locker room was in war about this Dry Island shit, who cares if the Ukrainian guy is a cancer?

Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."

by Snevik on Jul 28, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

ah, Nikolai “Chernobyl” Zherdev

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 28, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its Nikolay now. The i underwent some radioactive decay.

What can't Giroux do?

by tmurder on Jul 28, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

isotopes…you’re good

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 28, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always prided myself on supporting a team that put the players and the fans first. Whether it’s in the best interests of winning or not; the way the front office has treated Richards, Carter, Zherdev, Bob, Gagne, etc, has just shown that the driving force in the organization is money. Disposing of players like we have doing just takes the heart right out of the game.

"I LIKED when the Pens sucked-easier, cheaper tickets" - a penguins fan

by clairoux on Jul 30, 2011 1:14 AM EDT reply actions  


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