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The Flyers' Current Roster History

This is awesome. Bumped from the FanPosts. - Travis

So for those of you who looked past all of the Dry Island BS in Tuesday's Fly By, there was a bit of discussion about a link up on Fear the Fin that showed a fantastic graphic history of everyone on their current roster. After going through the tracks of some current players on the team, such as Jakub Voracek and Chris Pronger, I decided to take my turn and go through everyone on the roster and at least try to explain the history that led to the arrival everyone on the 26-man roster currently up on the Flyers' web site.

My goal here was to trace every player back to either a draft pick originally owned by or a free agent signed by the Flyers, or in a couple of rare cases, a trade we made where we sent out "future considerations" (or, in other words, guys we got for free). Ultimately, I did what I could and put together a flowchart like the one at FTF. I'll admit it's nowhere near as asthetically pleasing, and I'm open to suggestions and/or improvements, but I have no sort of graphic design knowledge whatsoever and made literally this entire post in Microsoft Excel, so given that, I think I did alright.

While it's tough to compare these findings to the rest of the NHL, since not many people are crazy enough to dig up all of this crap, I'll make some comparisons to the Sharks along the way because they're the only ones I really can compare it to. I'll also take this time to acknowledge that yes, I fully stole this idea from FTF.

Originally, I was going to put together only a write-up, but after I had written almost all of it I figured it was basically a massive wall of text and not that many people would really want to see that. But some probably do, so if you're interested, take a look at this page for a written description of everything in this flowchart.

Questions? Nope? Didn't think so. Here's your flowchart -- which is huge, heads up -- after the jump.

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So once you've taken that all in...the analysis. First, let's take a look at this chart, which shows every pick originally owned by the Flyers that has helped shape today's roster, and who each of those respective picks helped bring. (Take note: any years with a bold line underneath them mean that a year was skipped between that year and the next one on the chart.)

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Players not mentioned in the above chart include Hartnell, Timonen (both can be traced back to Forsberg, a free agent acquisition), and the 11 free agent signings.

Players in bold are the ones we drafted. Yes, there are only three players on our current roster--JVR, Giroux, and Wellwood--who were taken with picks that the Flyers owned the whole time. However, I have no idea how commonplace this is; the Sharks only had two.

While we're at it, then, this next chart is simply a list of notable active players taken since 1996 with picks that were at some point owned by the Flyers--not necessarily ones that played into the roster today, but ones we dealt regardless. ("Original Pick?" means whether or not the pick was one that belonged to the Flyers from the start or not.)

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Players in bold are ones we ended up with anyways. You were coming here all along, Danny boy (Syvret, not Briere, obviously).


Thoughts on the above draft pick madness:

--Numbers: a total of 31 picks helped bring about 13 of the players on the team's roster (the other 12 being Hartnell, Timonen, and the 10 free agents). That...seems low. For another point of comparison, the Sharks used 41 to put together their roster per FTF, though by comparison they also had 13 players on their team that they drafted compared to our five.

--Well, duh: fairly predictably, 11 of the 31 picks used were first rounders, by far the most of any round, and the number decreases as the pick gets lower.

--It was a good year: 4 picks in the 2009 draft have brought us something today, most of any draft. Our 1st and 3rd that year went towards Pronger, our 2nd towards Carle, and our 6th was Wellwood.

--Attention hogs: the three guys who had the most of those 31 picks make an appearance on their trail here are Pronger (10 picks), Carle (seven picks), and Voracek (five picks).

--Bang for your pick: The only guy who we coughed up only a single pick for, other than the ones we drafted, was Braydon Coburn (a 2007 3rd). I'll take that tradeoff. By comparison...

--I think he's good too, Geoff, but really? Four 1st-round picks have been used in some manner to help bring about Matt Carle's presence on this team. That's tied with Pronger for the most of anyone.

--Standing the test of time: As mentioned, the first draft pick in the history of the organization comes into play in 1967, then another one in 1972, then again in 1982, and then we jump ahead for another one in 1991. And then not again till 1997, but after that at least one pick in every year from '97 to 2012 (other than 2000 and 2011) has helped us put together what we have today. Every decade of the team's history is represented.

--Be patient, young grasshopper: as just mentioned, no 2011 picks have played any part in putting together today's roster. This obviously kinda makes sense, since the draft just happened and obviously no prospects are coming straight to the team, but I guess it's worth noting that none of those picks were traded for people on the roster today. That doesn't mean we DIDN'T trade any of those picks, though. Kris Versteeg and Dan Carcillo say hi from elsewhere.

--Don't worry, you didn't miss much: When it came to the guys we missed out on/guys that were taken with the picks we dealt, at first I was only going to stick to look at those mentioned in the bracket at first. But like...we got REALLY lucky in this regard. Other than Carlson and Pavelski, there wasn't anyone on that flowchart in parentheses who I looked at and thought "eff, we could really use him right now," which is why I decided to just dig through the past 15 or so drafts to find ANY good players that were taken with picks we dealt. And even that second chart doesn't look too bad--I'm sure we'd have all loved Brandon Dubinsky and Maxim Lapierre, and maybe Ondrej Pavelec could've been the answer to our goalie problems--but if that's all we're complaining about, we could've done a whole hell of a lot worse, especially when you consider three of them are here now anyways. The list they had on FTF had way more names than that; off the top of my head, I remember Briere, Pronger, Lecavalier, Marc Staal, and Krejci as guys who were taken with picks they dealt at some point.

 


Next, here are our trade partners that helped put this roster together:

Tampa Bay: 9
Los Angeles: 4
Phoenix: 4
Nashville: 3
Anaheim: 3
Chicago: 3
Atlanta: 2
Columbus: 2
Edmonton: 2
Florida: 2
Pittsburgh: 2
Washington: 2
Buffalo: 1
Carolina: 1
Detroit: 1
NY Islanders: 1
San Jose: 1
Toronto: 1
Vancouver: 1

And trades that indirectly affected more than one player on the roster: (other than the obvious Hartnell/Timonen and Schenn/Simmonds trades)

July 2, 2001: Daymond Langkow traded to Phoenix for Phoenix's 2002 2nd round pick and their 2003 1st round pick.
Players affected: Jake Voracek, Chris Pronger
(yes, everything that led up to this trade also affected these two, but I don't think I need to write all of that out. This was the main one.)

February 15, 2007: Peter Forsberg traded to Nashville for Scottie Upshall, Ryan Parent, and Nashville's 2007 1st and 3rd round picks
Players affected: Scott Hartnell, Kimmo Timonen, Ilya Bryzgalov



Thoughts on the trades:

--Numbers: we made a total of 45 trades with 19 teams. I don't think any of us are surprised to see the likes of Tampa, Los Angeles, and Nashville towards the top of the list. San Jose made 54 to get theirs.

--Eh, screw them anyways: There are ten teams with whom we did not have a trade mentioned above: New Jersey, NY Rangers, Boston, Montreal, Ottawa, St. Louis, Calgary, Minnesota, Colorado, and Dallas.

--The love hasn't gone both ways: from FTF:

Of the trades that are on the Tree, the Sharks have traded with the Panthers and Flyers the most with five trades each.

Only one trade from the Sharks is mentioned above, and it was the one where we traded them the pick that gave them Joe Pavelski and eventually led to Oskars Bartulis. Not a mutual relationship there.

 

So, uh...I think that's it. Most of my reactions have been mentioned, and I've been putting this together for a few days so I don't have much more mental capacity to try and draw more conclusions. I'd love to hear what you guys see. I don't know if I'm entirely done with this, but I'll take a break for now.

Hope you all enjoyed that.

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Fantastic work

I don’t even want to think about how long it took you to put this together. You did an amazing job for your first FanPost, and I think doing it in Excel worked out just fine. I’d rec it more than once if I could. But I love flowcharts, so that might’ve gotten you some bonus points ;)

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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 29, 2011 1:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh I forgot…. stealing ideas from other SBNation sites is totally allowed as long as you own up to it. Don’t sweat it.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 29, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Nice work.

What can't Giroux do?

by tmurder on Jul 29, 2011 3:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Post!! Appreciate the work you put into that, it was an excellent read.

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by Philly C on Jul 29, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Rec’d. You did the work so I didn’t have to (i.e. I was thinking about doing something like this, but it would’ve been half as good and twice as ugly).

Bob.

by The Dark on Jul 30, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

By which, I don’t mean that yours is ugly, but…well…I don’t have the visual eye for that sort of flowchart. It’d be U-G-L-Y if I tried it.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jul 30, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The weirdest part to me is how Mike Richards is essentially equal to Garrett Prosofsky in terms of this chart.

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by Travis Hughes on Jul 30, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I think going through the Richards trade, no matter how painful, might have been the most amusing part of this for me. Richards was one pick and then a trade, whereas Rob friggin’ Bordson had like 3 trades that led to his being here, including the return of DSOD.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie: faster than your favorite team's new starting cornerback, in all likelihood.
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Hunter Pence: better than your favorite team's trade deadline acquisition...I hope.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jul 30, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear god this is fantastic.

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by Ben Feldman on Jul 30, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

This is worthy of a slow clap.

Second, “I think he’s good too, Geoff, but really?” Shouldn’t it be five first rounders to get to Matt Carle?

  1. John Carlson begat Eminger, who was traded for Carle
  2. Keenan McArdle begat Downie and Emmerton
  3. Steve Downie was traded for Carle
  4. Maxime Ouellet plus
  5. Martin Vagner begat Oates, who begat Picard, who begat Prospal, who begat Hutchings, who was traded for Carle.

So Carle cost more first round picks than Pronger? Yes, this further cements my “Steve Eminger is atrocious” theory.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 30, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I would group 2 and 3 together, since our pick was the one that gave us the pick that gave us Downie. Only one of the picks was ours to start with, and we traded it in the first place. Even though McArdle was taken with our pick, Downie was taken with the Panthers’, so in that sense it was only one 1st that we gave up between those two. So 4 1sts, but then also a 2nd, so 5 valuable picks went out that way.

Regardless, your Eminger-related hypothesis is accurate.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie: faster than your favorite team's new starting cornerback, in all likelihood.
Nnamdi Asomugha: better than your favorite team's new starting cornerback, in all likelihood.
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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jul 30, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, that makes sense. Really just wanted your explanation.

And yes, Steve Eminger is the catalyst to the biggest mistake the Flyers made post-lockout.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 31, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great work. And, given the Flyers’ history, it makes the most sense to do it this way. Fear The Fin was able to do theirs from the beginning of their Franchise to the present; you focused on how the current players got here.

This is why FTF were able to say that they’ve made 5 trades with us, and you only mentioned one (because you’re talking current team, while they’re talking their entire team history). In other words, I wouldn’t expect you to note Dan McGillis for Marcus Ragnarsson here, because neither player affects the current roster.

Speaking of current rosters, I wouldn’t mind seeing Pavelski in Flyer orange given our Richards-less state. :(

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by mikefive on Jul 30, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

It would take forever, but it would be absolutely fascinating to do this for our entire franchise history.

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by Travis Hughes on Jul 30, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best way to do it would be by draft year, and there would be tons of players gained (and lost) in those early seasons due to league expansion and the concomitant expansion/waiver drafts.

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by mikefive on Jul 30, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really would. To see all of the dead-ends in the roster tree throughout the franchise history. What “lines” survived to become current players and what ones didn’t. It would be massive though.

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by hintzy64 on Aug 1, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I’m missing something, but what exactly do you mean? Every draft pick mentioned on their tree helped lead to a current member of their team, but no other ones were mentioned. I think, at least. They mentioned five trades with us, but all 5 of those helped bring them one of their current roster players—2 for Pavelski, 2 for McGinn, and 1 for Couture.

Let me know if I’m interpreting you wrong on this one, cause that seems likely…

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie: faster than your favorite team's new starting cornerback, in all likelihood.
Nnamdi Asomugha: better than your favorite team's new starting cornerback, in all likelihood.
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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jul 30, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right, their tree also only includes picks that lead to current players, no dead-ends. For example, note that there are no lines coming from 2000, 2001 or 2002. I seriously doubt they went three consecutive years without making a single draft pick. Those three years just didn’t lead to any current players. (But they could in the future…)

I think mikefive is just saying that given the much longer history of the Flyers relative to the Sharks, it makes sense to work backwards from the current roster instead of forwards from every pick and signing.

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by hintzy64 on Aug 1, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind seeing Pavelski in Flyer orange given our Richards-less state

Stay away from Pavelski! :)

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by Angy on Jul 31, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

SWEET BABY JESUS

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 30, 2011 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, everyone. Just fixed a few things and it should be just about perfect. Or at least as close to it as I’ll get.

As far as how I did it…finding the information wasn’t actually very hard. prosportstransactions.com has literally any information you’ll ever want to know about draft pick trades in any league, and hockey-reference.com is just as good for player trades. Obviously, typing out everything and making the spreadsheet was a lot more laborious. Kinda fun though.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie: faster than your favorite team's new starting cornerback, in all likelihood.
Nnamdi Asomugha: better than your favorite team's new starting cornerback, in all likelihood.
Hunter Pence: better than your favorite team's trade deadline acquisition...I hope.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jul 30, 2011 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow… this is amazing and I enjoyed the color coordinating :) Thanks so much for researching this and creating the flow charts!

by JLS89 on Jul 30, 2011 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I find it absolutely fascinating that the very first draft pick in franchise history can be traced to a player on today’s team. That’s absolutely incredible. Brilliant stuff.

P.S: Would’ve much rather had that line end at a certain Jeff Carter but I digress…

by Big Vin on Jul 31, 2011 1:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Rec’d em? Damn near killed em!

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by MeszarosKillsPeople on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 AM EDT reply actions  

This is the best newbie post ever

What can't Giroux do?

by tmurder on Jul 31, 2011 4:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wow, great post. I don’t even want to know how long this took. . . .

by SkookFlyerfan on Jul 31, 2011 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Amazing

The butterfly effect in hockey to its utmost. Decisions made almost 45 years ago continue to shape this team.

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by goldomatic on Jul 31, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome. This reminds me of Martha Quinn’s old history of bands flowcharts (back when MTV was really about music).

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by doubleh on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

This is simply incredible work, thanks so much. I really like the color-coding too, it makes it much easier to trace the lineage of any individual player.

I find it interesting that we have so many players (11) who were direct FA signings, who have no lineage. I wonder how that compares to other teams.

Also, this thought just hit me and it blows my mind…it was mentioned in earlier comments about expanding it to be the complete roster tree, even including picks and signings that were dead-ends and didn’t lead to a current player. The crazy thing that just occurred to me is that dead-ends don’t necessarily stay dead. If a line doesn’t lead to a current player now, that doesn’t mean that it won’t lead to one later. If there is an active player anywhere in the world (NHL, AHL, KHL, Forsberg, etc) who is connected to that “dead” line, the Flyers could potentially acquire him and that line is reintroduced. It can only truly die if every player related to that branch retires from playing hockey.

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by hintzy64 on Aug 1, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Given our putrid drafting history recently, I’m gonna guess the 11 FAs is a relatively high number, but I can’t confirm that. The breakdown of our 26 players is 11 free agents, 5 draft picks, and 10 traded players. My only point of reference is obviously the Sharks, and their breakdown is 8 free agents, 13 draft picks, and 4 trades.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie: faster than your favorite team's new starting cornerback, in all likelihood.
Nnamdi Asomugha: better than your favorite team's new starting cornerback, in all likelihood.
Hunter Pence: better than your favorite team's trade deadline acquisition...I hope.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Aug 1, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be my guess, too. But, as you said, without somebody doing this for every team, we’ll never know.

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by hintzy64 on Aug 2, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel bad for the theoretical person that tries to do the Canadiens or the Leafs…. especially if they tried to do every whole line back as far as records go. /Shudders

That might make my CBA FAQ look easy in comparison.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Aug 2, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, great job!

I only just now found this, and am glad that someone else made one of these. Now another person understands the pain, haha. Plus, it’s really interesting to see how other teams’ rosters came to be – and how many good players could have been drafted with the picks you held.

And I’m kind of jealous of your ability to make it in Excel. It looks a lot easier to do there than in Photoshop, which was my method (oh god, so many layers).

It’s really interesting to see that the trend of few roster players being drafted with picks originally held by the team holds up (and by trend, I mean two teams). Maybe it’s because GMs are more likely to trade picks than roster players? I really don’t know.

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by mymclife on Aug 7, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad you thought so!

Like I said, I think we got really really lucky with the guys that were taken with the picks we owned at one point.

But yeah, it was a hell of a project—took the better part of about three days, I think? Like I said, the information wasn’t hard to find, it’s just that there’s a friggin’ ton of it, and putting it together in the write-up was the hardest part.

And yeah. I was wondering how you put the chart together. It looked pretty nice. Excel isn’t quite as aesthetically pleasing, but it makes stuff like typing, adding in additional layers and making lines a lot easier than I’m guessing Photoshop would. Good to see two years of excessive use of Excel in business school so far paying off, albeit in entirely different ways than I anticipated…

It was also interesting, like you said, exactly how few of the picks were ours the whole time. I saw only 3 (realistically, 2; Wellwood is probably not going to be on the roster) and instantly thought that was just a product of our low number of draft picks on the team. Was pretty surprised to check yours and see something similar. I guess we underestimate the amount of pick shuffling that really goes on in these drafts and just in general—so many guys can just get sent out for peanuts/low draft picks, and those can sometimes become something. (Again…5 draft picks on the team. Probably the worst prospect system in hockey before this past draft. We’re really not the right team to ask about guys taken with draft picks.)

Also, for anyone curious, and if you’re looking to see how much further this idea has gone and how it carries to other sports…Eric did this same thing over at Bleeding Green Nation for the Eagles. He points out some of the key differences between this one and that one in the comments, which include the facts that there aren’t as many player-for-player trades in football, and that hockey players have much longer careers after when they’re drafted (which is why this goes back to 1967 and the Eagles’ only go back to McNabb in 1999). But for any Eagles fans and/or anyone who wants to see how different it looks in a sport with bigger rosters and different trading and player philosophies, take a look.

Am Nnam Nnam Nnam.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Aug 7, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't resist.

So the comment about not knowing whether or not teams often use their own picks or other team’s picks that they trade for to help build a team made me curious. The type of project taken on here and FTF—tracing back EVERY step that led to everyone being on the roster—can take a really friggin’ long time. However, just checking to see if guys were draft picks, trade acquisitions, or FAs, and then checking through draft listings to see if the picks were traded or were the team’s allocated picks? Takes about 20 minutes. Even less when you’re dealing with a team where you KNOW a lot of their guys were their own draft picks. Who do we know that fits that description? Why, none other than our good in-state pals, the Pittsburgh Penguins. Let’s take a look, shall we?

Picks: (9, 8 original picks)
Sidney Crosby – Pens’ pick 2005
Evgeni Malkin – Pens’ pick 2004
Jordan Staal – Pens’ pick 2006
Tyler Kennedy – Pens’ pick 2004
Dustin Jeffrey – Pens’ pick 2007
Nick Johnson – Pens’ pick 2004
Kris Letang – Pens’ pick 2004
Brooks Orpik – Pens’ pick 2000
Marc-Andre Fleury – Pick acquired from FLA, 2003

Trade: (5)
Pascal Dupuis
Chris Kunitz
Eric Tangradi
James Neal
Matt Niskanen

FA: (13)
Craig Adams (waivers)
Arron Asham
Matt Cooke
Mark Letestu (UDFA)
Steve MacIntyre
Steve Sullivan
Jason Williams
Deryk Engelland
Paul Martin
Zybnek Michalek
Ben Lovejoy
Alexandre Picard
Brent Johnson

So to recap:
Flyers: 5 picks (3 original) / 10 trades / 11 FA
Sharks: 13 (2) / 4 / 8
Penguins: 9 (8)/ 5 /13

Granted, Pittsburgh is a bit of a special case because, well…let’s be real: they tanked for multiple seasons in a row and were picking very high for 4 straight years, and the only guy they got with a traded pick was when they traded from #3 overall (Nathan Horton, if you’re curious) to #1 overall and picked up MAF. But the 8 guys taken with their picks is still impressive compared to what we have available.

I’d check for a few more teams if I find the time later, and I have no idea what we’ll find in regards to the picks owned by teams, but I’m guessing we’ll find one thing to hold true: the Flyers traded for a lot of guys and kinda suck at drafting.

Am Nnam Nnam Nnam.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Aug 8, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d think the Flyers have only 2 original draft picks because they draft so badly, whereas the Sharks have so few original draft picks because they’re forced to trade for players rather than sign free agents (for a while, our most notable free agent signing in franchise history was a 38-year-old Rob Blake – free agents aren’t fans of San Jose, for whatever reason). Plus, both the Flyers and the Sharks have a history of making the playoffs more often than not, meaning their picks are lower and less likely to be impact players.

And the tanking thing does help – I’d suspect that the Chicago Blackhawks are similar to the Penguins in that respect.

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by mymclife on Aug 8, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, that might have been the next one I was looking at...

Picks: (10)
Patrick Kane – Blackhawks’ pick, 2007 1st (#1)
Jonathan Toews – Blackhawks’ pick, 2006 1st (#3)
Duncan Keith – Blackhawks’ pick, 2002 2nd (#54)
Brent Seabrook – Blackhawks’ pick, 2003 1st (#14)
Dave Bolland – Blackhawks’ pick, 2004 2nd (#32)
Marcus Kruger – Blackhawks’ pick, 2009 5th (#149)
Niklas Hjalmarsson – traded pick, 4th round, 2005
Ben Smith – traded pick, 6th round, 2008
Bryan Bickell – traded pick, 2nd round, 2004
Corey Crawford – comp pick, 2nd round, 2003

Trades: (7)
Patrick Sharp (/wrists)
Rostislav Olesz
Steve Montador
Nick Leddy
Michael Frolik
Alexander Salak
Victor Stalberg

FA: (7)
Marian Hossa
Daniel Carcillo
Sean O’Donnell
Andrew Brunette
John Scott
Jamal Mayers
Sami Lepisto

Picks: 10 (6 original, not counting comp pick)
Trades: 7
FA: 7

So to keep adding on to this ledger here…

Flyers: 5 picks (3 original) / 10 trades / 11 FA = 26 total players
Sharks: 13 (2) / 4 / 8 = 25
Penguins: 9 (8)/ 5 /13 = 27
Blackhawks: 10 (6) / 7 / 7 = 24

There’s almost definitely at least SOME weight to the tanking idea. The Hawks’ 2 best forwards and 2 best D-men, just like the Pens’ 3 centers, were all their own picks. Granted, comparing guys who went 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 2nd overall (Crosby, Fleury, Malkin, Staal) to guys who went 1st, 3rd, 14th, and 54th (Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Keith) isn’t entirely fair to Chicago, but you can see that the cores of those two teams mostly came from the draft, in their own picks.

Am Nnam Nnam Nnam.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Aug 8, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

both the Flyers and the Sharks have a history of making the playoffs more often than not, meaning their picks are lower and less likely to be impact players.

This, combined with our recent trend of trading away early round picks, would be my guess.

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by hintzy64 on Aug 9, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  


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