Thursday Morning Fly By: Schenn Talked With the Media for 10+ Minutes? We Love Him Already!
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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- Talks with Wayne Simmonds are still going on: [CSNPhilly]
- But the Flyers signed Tye McGinn to an entry-level contract: [Philly Sports Daily]
- So Brayden Schenn wants to make the team: [CSNPhilly] [Daily News] Video of his post-practice talk: [Philly.com]
- Sean Couturier wants to make the team as well: [Philly Sports Daily] [Daily News] Video of his post-practice talk: [Philly.com]
- Matt Read is simply trying not to be forgotten: [Philly Sports Daily] [Inquirer]
- Couturier will be blogging about his first camp at the Flyers site: [Philadelphia Flyers]
- Niko Hovinen hasn't arrived for prospect camp yet: [Philly Sports Daily]
- Paul Holmgren doesn't like the Stamkos rumors: [Courier-Post]
- Ilya Bryzgalov: "Am I happy with my contract? Of course. Is it possible to not be happy with a deal like that?" [euroflyers]
- And what we all expected, Bryzgalov says: "I'll tell you one thing; this is the deal I wanted." [euroflyers]
- Jaromir Jagr and Jakub Voracek share something in common, and it's not the letter J or newly acquired Flyers. They love their hometown HC Kladno: [NHL.com]
- Hey, the question we've been asked for weeks now: Are the Flyers better? Frank Seravalli asks that in a video segment: [Frequent Flyers]
- Remember Radovan Somik? He was awesome: [Flyers Faithful]
- A tribute to Dan Carcillo: [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
- DGS added BSH commenter ItsAFez66 to their site. A nice introduction: [Down Goes Spezza]
- How Chris Pronger got Jaromir Jagr to play for the Flyers: [Down Goes Spezza]
- We've talked about this before, but it's July and it sparks debate: Should the Flyers retire Kate Smith? [Broad Street Buzz]
- Catching up with how the Flyers free agency moves are impacting the Phantoms: [PostStar.com]
- Glen Sather built the team John Tortorella wants. I know, I'm as shocked as you are that Sather actually built something: [Blueshirt Banter]
- Could Guy Carbonneau be the next coach of the Devils? [Puck Daddy]
- The Trenton Devils of the ECHL are folding: [Flyers Faithful] [Daily News]
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I always liked Somik. Thank you for posting that link! :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 7, 2011 6:19 AM EDT reply actions
Down Goes Spezza:
Jagr- If I sign with Pittsburgh, you’re going to elbow me, aren’t you?
Pronger- 6 games, 3 periods, we each should have 10-12 shifts a game against each other. So, assume 20-24 elbows per game.
lolllllllllllllll
Pronger can do math?
Maybe he can tutor Homer.
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by Chemistry66 on Jul 7, 2011 9:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"We knew each other from World Juniors," the rather shy Couturier said. "It’s pretty fun to be with someone you know."
"He’s quieter," his roommate said with a laugh. "He doesn’t talk a whole lot, but he’s my roommate here now and I definitely get along with him and enjoy being around him."
Get that a lot when you read about Couturier. People keep mentionining how he doesn’t talk much. I can only imagine how drab his interviews will be later in his career.
But if he’s putting up 80 points while playing solid defense, I don’t really care how drab those interviews are.
Schenn better know what he’s getting himself into. If he doesn’t play to a level that suggests he might be the next Mike Richards there will be sections of the media calling him a bust.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, he will also always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 7, 2011 6:24 AM EDT reply actions
Also someone should save a copy of Couturier’s ‘My First NHL Camp’ blog, basically covering the first day he stepped onto the ice as a member of the Flyers organization. It will be amazing to look back at in 20 years time if Couturier turns into a Flyers legend.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, he will also always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 7, 2011 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow…I haven’t been this excited about a Flyers first round draft pick since James van Riemsdyk…
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, he will also always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 7, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I see what you did there.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jul 7, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I recently read an article (forget where) where Sean expressed awareness of his quiet nature and indicated an effort on his part to be more outgoing when appropriate.
I didn’t see anything in his video linked above to be concerned with. He was animated (smiling several times) and looked the interviewer directly in the eye when answering questions.
I didn’t realize he was missing both his front teeth. That’s cool, no?
After watching Marcus Johannson play 3C for the Caps last year – and I grant that Schenn is better – it would be ludicrous to expect him to produce at a Mike Richards level over the course of the year. He’ll have his growing pains, but he’ll also be a lot better by the end of the year than he is at the start. Which is when the games really count, of course.
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Kate Smith
I think the Flyers should announce that Lauren Hart will be singing God Bless America without Kate Smith from hereon in, with all due respect to the history behind it. I’m not sure how they could best word it but I’m sure there would be a way to appease both those who want to move on from the past and those who love the history.
So during the first round of the playoffs which the Flyers win in 6 games, just have Lauren Hart. Then during the second round of the playoffs the Flyers manage to split the games home and away to make the series 2-2, then they lose at home and face a must-win away. They manage to come away with a win and finally enter Game 7 at home. That’s when they decide to play Kate Smith as well. The crowd erupts, the Flyers win.
That’s the idea anyway.
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, he will also always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 7, 2011 6:30 AM EDT reply actions
I want them to retire it. If they get to the Stanley Cup and they’re on the brink of winning a Cup, that’s when I think you bring it out.
Sort of, “break in case of emergency”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t retire a decades old tradition. I think a lot of teams are jealous of it actually. I’ll use the Caps as an example, since i’m in Virginia and see them several times per year. They’ve been around over 35 years and what do they have? They yell out ‘Oh’ during the anthem? boy, thats just awesome… And more recently, their ‘rock the red’ campaign? Sounds like a merchandising nightmare…Let’s just scare off the fans from buying road jerseys
I do like PursuitofLappy’s idea of having Lauren sing it solo, and bringing in Kate for the more important situations.
They borrowed yelling “Oh” during the anthem from the Baltimore Orioles. They did it long before Ovechkin was on the team, and now try to retroactively use him as the reason behind it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I thought they shouted “Red” because of Ovechkin.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, almost certianly. But that coincides with Ovechkin, which is what I took hintzy to be saying.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I thought the same as sneech, that “red” went with “rock the red.” Hadn’t connected Ovie to that, but it’s possible.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Ah. I was just connecting the time frames, not the actual players.
Meh, whatever.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh. You know what, I’m going to go get some tea so I wake up and have some clue what’s going on…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I need a third cup of coffee today…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The “red” thing grew out of a reaction to the “O” shouting.
People in the DC area got used to shouting “O” during the anthem by going to Orioles games – remember, no baseball in DC for loooong years, it was impossible to get a ticket to the ‘Skins for the average guy, the Bullets sucked….but the O’s were good (::sob::), cheap and right up 95. So we went to the games and learned to shout “O”.
In fact, I had zero idea that there were places where one did not shout during the anthem.
Anyway, we all dutifully shouted out at Cap Centre and the tradition transferred over to MCI/Verizon Center. Then people started objecting to the use of a Baltimore tradition for a DC team. So they started shouting “RED” in order to re-purpose the whole thing.
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They have been doing the Oh longer than for Ovechkin. I remember it being Oh-lie when they had Olie the goalie back years ago.
by zot22 on Jul 7, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
…yes, that’s what I said. I even remember it before Kolzig. As I said, I’m pretty sure it was just carried over directly by Orioles (aka O’s) fans.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
That makes a lot of sense. Sorry missed the comment on mobile.
by zot22 on Jul 7, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sean Couturier
Can’t help but look at him with his front teeth missing and say to myself, “Is that Bobby Clarke?”
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
From the CSN Philly article about Schenn’s contract talks…
A restricted free agent, he has not signed a new contract with the Flyers, and his qualifying offer came from the Kings before he was traded.Interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever heard of that before, because that means they sent his offer out pretty early. I figure the Flyers would be required to give him whatever the Kings offered him if he wanted to sign that original offer sheet, but I wonder if there’s some minor difference in the way negotiations go that’s a sticking point. Obviously not something major that can’t be overcome, but I can’t help but wonder.
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I didn’t know Schenn’s contract was up for negotiations, or did you mean Simmonds?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
that’s Simmonds
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I thought but at the top of Jen’s post she said Schenn, so I was slightly confused.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
apparently contract talks are still ongoing, but in a positive manner. My guess is: Simmonds wants to be paid like a top 2 line scorer, and not a grinder garbage goal player like the Flyers want him to be.
He’ll sign
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
and not a grinder garbage goal player like the Flyers want him to be/what he is.
He hasn’t really shown yet that he is a top 2 line scorer.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Oh I agree. The sooner he accepts that his purpose is to hit people first, then stand in front of the net and hammer pucks home, the sooner he’ll get a deal signed.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
did you see the beer tubes/bongs that NHL shop is now selling?
It was really enticing, until I saw the 329.00 number
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
A buddy of mine pointed that out the other day….highway robbery like everything else on that site.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
however, if I had a close bunch of friends that I watched the games with on a weekly schedule, I’d probably think about it
or I might just ask an artist to do one for me out of pvc
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you notice the Blackhawks puck was missing?
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Jul 7, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
then stand in front of the net and hammer pucks home
however this is exactly the type of player we need on a top line
but because we traded all of the two way players away, you need Simmonds big body on the 3rd line. Sacrifices have to be made. This is what happens when you fail to bring in a defensive specialist, you waste guys that should be on the 1st or 2nd line
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Geoff sarcastically has been saying Lavy doesn’t use defensive matchups with his forward lines and I am firm believer he doesn’t play matchup so it doesn’t matter. There is no defensive checking line on this team. Roll 3 lines don’t start Briere’s line in the defensive zone. Specific matchups will be played with the D.
but he does use matchups…I’d argue looking at the +/- from games where the Flyers played Crosby and Malkin, and seeing if Richards would end the game with a -2 or -3
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Eric was looking at this yesterday. The results were fascinating, and not what you’d expect.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
link for me?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, we were talking about it on gchat. He’s got it in the queue of things to write
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
potentially delicious item
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
he said surprising, not Chris supporting
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
He replied to you with surprising saying the results were not what you would expect and since you were contending my point than the results could agree with my argument.
or contrary to both our points
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I am sure Richards would be out against one of Crosby or Malkin because those guys are the guys that the most shifts like Richie and Carter did.
zone start Carter and Nodl have the worst zone start and they rarely played together
and as the season went on Carter Giroux were drawing tough comp as well
so because 2 players have the worst zone start and rarely played together, it means that Lavvy just rolled 3 lines, independent of defensive matchups?
Perhaps when Lavvy switched lines so often, Carter and Nodl found themselves on the 3rd line?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course not that was the quickest result I could find to imply my point.
I can’t prove my opinion but that is just my observation some more capable with numbers can try to break it down and it seems like Eric has.
Here is another one.
ES-TOI/G
If Richards was matchup’d agains the opposition top line who gets the most ice time he should lead the team in ES-TOI/G right
However he is 4th in ES-TOI/G
Danny B lead the team at 15:10 per game. But the results are pretty even for the 3 centers.
Danny B – 15:10
Carter – 14:39
Giroux – 14:10
Richards – 13:46
(only 1 more second than Scott Hartnell at 13:45)
not necessarily. How many PP minutes do guys like Stamkos get?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
if a team only has one scoring line, wouldn’t that mean that Richards would get less even strength ice time, if he’s playing in a strictly defensive role?
I’m sorry, but saying that ES Ice time average per game correlates to players not being used in a defensive manner just doesn’t make sense to me
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
qualcomp wise
Richards – 0.018
Giroux – -0.027
Carter – -0.008
Briere – -0.047
not sure how much of a difference that is though Richards was matchup nearly has poorly as these guys for example.
Zetterberg 0.103
Marleu 0.115
Toews 0.079
Dubinsky 0.073
Palkane 0.068
I am going to start randomly puking out statistics and smearing them all over the place and claiming causation
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I am just trying to give qualcomp a little context. What qualcomp should a center who is matchup’d against top line have? What should a shelter’d center have. There is no context for the number.
Eric and I prefer CorsiRelQoC, if that means anything.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t you trying to determine who faces the best players?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a lot more difficult. Because then, you would have to separate out home and road uses, and you’d be better off doing a TOI versus study, not a QualComp study.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t compare absolute values across teams.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Yeah I was in a rush because I needed to leave for camp like, imminently. My fault
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit, I forgot to add that. Thanks.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You just keep forgetting me, don’t you, Doctor Boy?
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by Chemistry66 on Jul 7, 2011 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, I added you.
I didn’t add Chemistry66, just stuck with ItsAFez66. I forgot to add both.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I really tried the DGS article, but it barely got a smirk out of me
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions
FYI, I added quotes from Bryzgalov provided by Euroflyers.
They make me made.
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you’re a Made Man Geoff
when did I miss this
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Dammit. I fail.
Twitter says 7 hours ago, so 2 am?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s funny you speak of twitter. I had a party over the weekend, and one of my buddies says to me, “Yeah on my twitter, Geoff from broadstreethockey says such and such”
I say back to him, “I talk to these fucking people everyday, I don’t care what their twitter says”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
hahaha, you don’t care what I say on Twitter?
I’m hurt :(
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
no it’s just I spend enough time on this machine 4 days a week being vocal and reading what y’all have to say. I’m not gonna spend my weekends worrying about hockey, I do enough of that during the week lol
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
ah, well that makes sense. haha I thought you meant in general, not on the weekend.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
no. I mean, I don’t use twitter to begin with. I talk to yall for 10 hours a day, 4 days a week, and whatever time I use scouting this place on the weekends. If I didn’t know better, I’d feel like I was interning at this place for free
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
If I didn’t know better, I’d feel like I was interning at this place for free
Most of us are…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I need documentation Geoff.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Need course credit? Travis can sign some documents.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Course credit? I graduated
Besides, if some of the comments I have made counted for course credit, I’d be worried about my educational institution
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Then what kind of documentation are you asking for?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
it was a joke Geoff
I do this for fun. If i strictly did temp work fore 10 hours a day 4 days a week I’d drive myself insane
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
haha, You went all serious for a second and threw me off.
I throw Spite at you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to say, that the only time I have ever been serious on this site was when Leighton let in that goal
I said then and there that his reputation with the Flyers would forever be tarnished, and that for him he needed to continue his career somewhere else
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Need course credit? Travis can sign some documents.
I’m good with this too, even if not you per se, could use a research grunt. Although I’d actually make you work. Your final paper topic:
“Decision-making from the perspective of Williamson, Nash, Rand, Tversky and Kahneman: Ed Snider and the Destruction of Cap Space.”
In preparation for NHL free agency, thinking of changing my screen name to Bhudde in 10OC.
If you ever talk to me about your twitter, that will be the breaking point Detweiler.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Why, I'm so damn interesting on there.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Why, I’m so damn interestingon there.
FTFY
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by KreiderDesigns on Jul 7, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
touche Kreider, touche.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Kreider! You’re alive!?!? I wouldn’t know from looking at the BSH Store, Slap Schtick, or the comic you still owe me for getting you whooping in trivia….
/If I recall, I won 1-0
James vanRidiculous.
Yup. You crushed me. We would have tied if I went with my gut on the all-star question. But, you have no proof. Hahahahahaha.
Seriously I’ll get around to it but there are ones that are actually pertinent and would be funnier to do right now.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jul 7, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I was always relatively indifferent when it came to twitter. Being on BSH most of my day has actually built up my spite for it. For the life of me I can’t figure out why people talk about who they tweet or who tweets them on BSH, isn’t that what twitter is for?!? Keep that shit there unless it pertains to some kind of trade/signing.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
my friend didn’t know that I was on this site all day
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I mean people who post links to tweets they got from people, or tweets they sent to people on here in the threads.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
gotcha
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, pet peeve. I try to avoid that universe by not using twitter, so when people link their own tweets here it drives me up a wall.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Sarah Baicker tweets, Don’s kryptonite
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Every time it happens I get a sharp pain in my chest.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Might just be the loaded fries I’m addicted to. Those will come back to haunt me
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, I'll remember that.
BSH_EricT Eric T.
@felixpotvin It’s too bad you haven’t moved to the SF area yet; you missed the New Kids On The Block / Backstreet Boys concert last week.
Why you heff to be mad?
Ha, that’s exactly why I got it. I follow 11 people, 8 of them are hockey insiders or teams accounts.
by mantis toboggan on Jul 7, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, if I ever signed up it just be for alerts like that. But instead, I just go to sites that collect tweets about trades, signings, and rumors. This way I completely avoid (or at least hope to) the rest of the BS.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
FWIW, I don’t care what you say on Twitter today either, I’m a little bit miffed at you :P
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh, why?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Because chapter 1 of the CBA FAQ has been up for two whole days and neither of my two backup CBA interpreters have commented on it. How do I know if it was a good way to start and that I should proceed to chapter 2 when I need to know how you and The Dark each felt about it?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, this is disappointing because you are giving him credibility as opposed to making fun of him or legitimately being upset with him.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
But I am legitimately upset…
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If Geoff isn’t commenting, it’s only because he didn’t see anything he could argue about.
It’s safe to assume that means he liked it.
I can’t assume that, because when I looked at this recent activity in his profile that said he didn’t rec it either. So I don’t even think he read it.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We should confiscate his computer and look for it in his browser history.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
I don’t know if you’d really want to look in his browser history.
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That’s safe. There’s this new thing called “Private Browsing”. It’s amazing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So you DO have something to hide.
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Mystery!
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Yeah. I don’t want people to know I’m behind the Down Goes Brown hilarity.
Shit…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not on the Detweiler scale though because he lack of comment should translate to you as complete agreement. He might actually be upset at you for being upset with him,a nd not understanding who he is as a person better.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
No, this is Jen we’re talking about. I feel bad that I upset her.
If it was you, I’d be pissed at you for not understanding me. But that’s because you’re a dick.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll have to let Jenn knows where she stands in your book…you’ve never seemed to feel too bad about upsetting her.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
When have I upset her? I’m usually on her side…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why she heff to be…oh nevermind
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Jul 7, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh snap!
Apparently I'm a magnet for trouble this week. I started a war between
Kat and Chem, and now we have a discrepancy between the way
Geoff treats me and how he treats Don's Jenn. Yay.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect Don comment.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, someone needs to keep you grounded. The more Chem calls you doctor, and the more people say nice things about you, the more I have to follow you around, translating what you for people so they don’t get pissed off and kick you.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
I never seriously call him Doctor.
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This is entirely true.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I’ve heard, Geoff usually leaves women unsatisfied and forced to handle their own business. You shouldn’t take it personal…or be surprised.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jul 7, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
And Shaun Kreider goes in for the kill.
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Trust me when I say this; Shaun always, ALWAYS, is owed a shot at Geoff.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
bahaha
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by Travis Hughes on Jul 7, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kudos, sir.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
:( I’m sorry. I’ve read it, I’ve loved it, I checked to make sure Travis was going to be giving it a permanent home in the sidebar, and I saw the constructive changes you made to the acronyms.
Personally, I love it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you. But I needed to know because if I screw something up in the FAQ, you’re going to have to answer questions about it when I’m not here.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I will be more vigilant going forward. I pinky promise.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s almost to be borderline of creepy adorable, isn’t it?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
neither of my two backup CBA interpreters
Well, I know I’ve fallen off the wagon/pecking order due ,but as a former acolyte I did say it was great.
In preparation for NHL free agency, thinking of changing my screen name to Bhudde in 10OC.
No, I actually count you, I just usually refer to you as a freelancer. Those two usually play first responder, and jump in to take care of things when I’m at work and have no internet. I do value your opinion, but you had already responded and so I wasn’t upset with you.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Bryz set you up for life with the mafia?
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by KreiderDesigns on Jul 7, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it’s the Russian mob. Somebody ask Pannaccio.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jul 7, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Geoff do you what to do expect the a person to say in the situation. “On second thought I am really not all that pleased with the last professional contract I probably will ever sign. But I guess I will learn to love it.”
I don’t expect him to come back and say “I’ll tell you one thing; this is the contract I wanted.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
it looks bad on Holmgren’s part when Bryzgalov implies there were no negotiations
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I just assume that means that Bryz wasn’t involved in the negotiations, his agent did everything.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
even then, there’s the implication that there wasn’t any negotiation. There was a take it or leave mentality in Bryz’ camp
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
assumptions he was in town left came back they meet and talk it took awhile to get the contract signed you seriously think Bryz’s camp proposed the decreasing salary structure to get the cap hit down
Chris, Bryzgalov wanted 7 years, $50 million. Multiple reports said it.
What did he get? 7 years, $47.5 million.
The Flyers added 2 years and $3.5 million to get the cap hit down.
Bryzgalov got what he wanted.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he got what he wanted. That doesn’t mean there weren’t negotiations and weren’t there reports of a 7.5 million dollar cap hit.
A) If he got what he wanted, what was negotiated? “I want 7 years $50 million.” “Uh, we’ll give you 7 years, $48 million.” “Close enough for Bryz.” “Shit, wait. Tack on two years and $3 million so our cap hit is down.” “Whatever, the Bryz won’t play that long.”
“It was a pleasure negotiating with you.” “Ha, you call that negotiate? I get what I want.”
B) The reports were 7 years, $50 million. That’s a $7.14 mil cap hit. Not $7.5 mil.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
That was me pretending Ilya calls himself “The Bryz”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris, it’s the manner in which Bryzgalov said it. The man is not subtle, when he says he got the contract HE wanted, it means HE got the contract HE wanted. The Flyers were just dumb enough to fall for this. Seriously, it’s like they went to the Roger Dorn School of Economics
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone will say the exact same thing who resigns with a team. That doesn’t mean there weren’t negotiations that there was a take or leave situation. You are WIPing his comments. He says this there for it implies something else. It could be typical sports BS comment that you are jumping all over. Things are also lost in translation you are just reading into way too much into a rather bland comment.
What did Pronger say we resigned him about Richards and Carter when they signed the 10 year deals etc.. it is all pretty much the same thing.
Don’t negotiations entail each side presenting an offer and then meeting in the middle?
Doesn’t look like they met in the middle, it looks like Bryz’s offer was what the Flyers took. That’s not a negotiation, that’s a robbery.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Again, the Roger Dorn School of Economics
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t negotiations entail each side presenting an offer and then meeting in the middle?
Not when you are a UFA. You don’t know what happend. If I was agent I would like the team make an offer and work form there.
you are giving him the benefit of doubt, I am not. Chances are, it’s somewhere in the middle. However, I think the middle is located closer to Bryz than it was the Flyers
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course it was he has all the leverage going on the UFA market in a two weeks with no history or loyalty to the Flyers. He is going to get what he wants he is a UFA, he can find a team that will give him want he wants and if not he will then compromise, But to say there wasn’t any back and forth is ridiculous especially on a 9 year deal that is structured to get rather lower the expected cap hit.
he can find a team that will give him want he wants and if not he will then compromise.
How did that work out for Nabakov?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
And where was that contract? What happened to all his leverage?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
And once again Nabokov at 36 is not the same as Brzy at 31 especially this UFA period Brzy would have gotten much much more on the open market.
I didn’t mean to but I wasn’t sure if you were implying Brzy would have also failed to have his demands met on the open market.
He wouldn’t have had his demands met on the open market. That is pretty clear. Just because he had his demands met with the Flyers doesn’t mean he had all the leverage. It means the Flyers frigged up the negotiations, or lack there of and gave the guy what he wanted.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
It’s possible Colorado threw him the same contract. Possible.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
How many teams aren’t at the floor still with really nobody to sign. Tallon paid 4 million for Jovanonski, 6.5 for Huet he plays 9 for Brzy no doubts.
I have doubts.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
if you think the Flyers had no leverage Chris, I’m afraid I can’t argue this anymore. The Flyers had all of the leverage in the world.
In fact, the moves make sense if the Flyers really thought they had no leverage
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
So to you, the Flyers negotiated down from $7 years, $49 million to $47.5 million, and added two years and $3.5 million?
That’s the negotiation you’re defending? a $1.5 million salary savings with a cap circumventing add on?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
hahaha, okay.
I laugh – as does Bryzgalov – at that concept of “negotiation”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
woah woah woah, out of respect for me, don’t put me and WIP in the same sentence.
That’s like me calling Sarah Baicker a legitimate journalist
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, this is how the "negotations" with Bryz went down
Harry Doyle: Hello everybody. Harry Doyle here, welcoming all you Wahoo maniacs to the year’s first session of Tribe Talk. As you know, the Indians had a Cinderella season last year. Despite the fact that toxic owner Rachel Phelps wanted the team to lose so she could move it to Florida, the Indians won the American League East for the first time since divisional play began. Rachel’s gone now, thank God, having sold the team to retired Indian third baseman Roger Dorn, after a long, hard fought series of negotiations.
[flashback to negotiations]
Roger Dorn: Mmmight be willing to go as high as a hundred.
Rachel Phelps: 120.
Roger Dorn: 120? Rachel, you just started at 110!
Rachel Phelps: 130!
Roger Dorn: Rachel, this isn’t fair!
Rachel Phelps: 140!
Roger Dorn: [desperately begging] 130!
Rachel Phelps: 150!
Roger Dorn: [immediately gives in] We’ll take it!
Rachel Phelps: Oooh, you’re good Dorn.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Hahaha oh Major League.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
This has to be how Holmgren approached Bryzgalov
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
And in answering my own question yesterday about which Phantom has the best shot at making the big club (to at least split minutes with Lilja) -
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inqflyersreport/Defenseman-raises-eyebrows-at-Flyers-camp.html
The dark horse – Oliver Lauridsen!!! Anyone that was there who can confirm that?
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I love Lauridsen, but it’s because of St. Cloud St. I still don’t think he leaps Marshall or Gus.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Agreed. From last year:
Oliver Lauridsen (D, St. Cloud State) was pretty impressive. Today, he ripped a slap shot past Morrison from the top, ringing off the far post. For a 7th round pick, he could turn out to be a pretty solid AHL player. I’m not sure if he’ll be able to hold a job in the NHL, but he seems to be a good character guy. All during camp, he was throwing his weight around and agitating forwards – Rinaldo, specifically. He probably spends another year in college, but after that he should get a chance on the Phantoms.
If the Flyers didn’t sign Lilja, I’d say he was a darkhorse to make the NHL team (Behind Marshall and Gus). But with Marshall and Gus as darkhorses to make the NHL team, Lauridsen has no shot. Plus he’s coming off an injury last year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
So we’re still pencilling in Barty as the 7th d-man?
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 7, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you have to. One, he is dirt cheap. Two, he’s perfectly capable of playing in the NHL. Three, the Flyers clearly don’t care about his development.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
One, Ollie seems equivalent. Two, no way of knowing until you try, I guess. Three, you got me. Latvian Wolf it is.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 7, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he beat Brayden Schenn in the crease pretty badly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I missed the first couple drills with him yesterday, but he looked good in the physical drills, and seemed to be skating around smoothly.
OH! and he is a giant.
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Goalies I'd rather have on my team than Ilya Bryzgalov
Since in a vacuum is the phrase around here, these would be goalies that I’d take on from the plausible scenarios instead of the monster contract. Also, I would still do all of the moves the Flyers had made, from trading Carter to Signing Lilja. Here we go
Varlamov (I’d trade the picks for that price in a heartbeat)
Nabokov (I’d trade for him, nothing to see here)
Vokoun (even at 3.5-4 million 2 year deal, sign me up)
Bernier (hell, when we swung Richards I would’ve asked for him in the deal)
Boucher (bitch and complain all you want, the goalies were fine. Lavvy just sucks at managing goalies)
Conklin (career backup who can spot start Bouch)
Mike Smith
Dwayne Roloson
Jaroslav Halak or Carey Price (when Carter was rumored to be going anywhere)
I know some of these players y’all disagree with, but you can repair your team via free agency after a bad train. Bad contracts are far more destructive, and that is what Bryzgalov is, a bad contract
The Flyers had so many options
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions
trade*
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Putting Mike Smith in there and saying COL didn’t get robbed on that trade voids the rest of this line of discussion. No offense.
How did Colorado get robbed on that trade? a 1st and a 2nd?
In Mike Holmgren terms that equals a 2nd and a 3rd, which I’m completely fine with
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Not Mike, Paul*
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope we would get Carey Price
2.75 Cap Hit
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
and then you’’d have Bob backing him up. So when he shatters, you go to the next guy
do you see how crazy giving a guy 5.67 million dollars is?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but I must argue against Carey Price for his whole career, I’ve pigeon holed myself into it. I wouldn’t really want Varlamov either with Bob already on board, but good lord did I want Vokoun for cheaper/shorter time.
all of those options are better than Bryzgalov
Varlamov doesnt work out? You lose a 1st and 2nd rounder. But you don’t hinder yourself on a yearly basis
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think a 5.66 cap hit is that hindering good players make 5-6 million. Kimmo’s contract is more hindering but he has been worth every penny.
Kimmo isn’t holding up the maturation of your future starter in net
Bryz is
In that context, it’s extremely hindering
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
22 year old guys behind a 5.67 cap hit thru 9 years is a hindrance. Let’s say even if Bryz only plays 5 years of his contract. Bob’s maturation process is hindered to the point of not being fixed
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
prove it
if anything having Brzy here gets the Flyers another contract with BOB at backup dollars if he started this season he would be getting Halak money next year probably anyway
what kind of fucking self respecting goalie who is confident in his play and has already seen a season of NHL hockey, and had success, would take less money and sit on the bench?
I don’t mean to curse, but shit, what you’re saying is contrary to logic
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
what’s this has to shit? An RFA can go play in the KHL, make more money, and start. Or he can just ask for a sign and trade
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. But a lot of goalies don’t mature until well into their twenties. I agree that him only playing ~20 games a year isnt ideal, but he can adjust to the game in practice and adjust to NA just by being here. Hopefully Bryz being russian feels the desire to tutor a young russian.
so you’re going to pay 1.85 million dollars to babysit a kid? That’s over 7.5 million dollars in net, investment wise. You know how crazy that sounds? That money is better spent elsewhere, suring up an aging blue line, or bringing in a Superstar.
No self-respecting person leads a team to a playoff birth then says ok I’m ok to sit on the bench for another 5 years, no biggie
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds messy.
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by hintzy64 on Jul 7, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Oh so Sergei, even though you’re getting paid this much, and you showed glimpses of being one of the better goalies in the league, do you mind sitting behind this guy we’re bringing in for the next 5 years? Yeah, you’ll be a backup goalie for the next 5 years of your life? Oh and we need you to take a pay cut too, yeah, we’re prepared to pay you about 1.2 million. Oh we’d be paying you more, but we’re kind of paying you 5x as much as you’d be earning, and your stats aren’t much worse than his.”
…
“oh you want me to fornicate with myself, well that will be kind of tough”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
paying him 5x*
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
one season for goalie doesn’t mean anything BOB could be the next Brzy or the next Nittymaki it is still very much up in the air.
Yeah that’s the problem. I think I’ve talked myself into lower expectations for Bob since his jersey was bought for me and he was in danger of a sophomore slump. I didn’t want to accept him as my savior, I must have subconsciously known there was another one coming.
And Bryzgalov can be the next overpaid goalie that does nothing for this team
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
And only costs you $4 million more per year!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
this year if Bob was a full time starter and played well Bob will be making 3 – 4 million next season
Seeing as how no goalie other than Bryzgalov signed a deal for more than $3 million per season, I strongly disagree with this assessment.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Halak / Carey Price deal would be the perfect comparable to BOB if he continue to play this well for 60 games per.
A) Carey Price has a $2.75 mil cap hit.
B) St. Louis overpaid for Halak.
C) Because Halak had a 0.933 ESS% in the playoffs the year before.
So even if I give you the “perfect comparable”, he has a 50% chance of getting $3 million. Bryzgalov just got $5.67 million.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
What if the cap goes down or stays the same because of the new CBA next year?
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
exactly why are talking about this it could go up again you never know and 5.66 for Brzy might be a bargain when Miller Lundquist and the others start signing again
because there is no new TV contract next year, and it is far more likely that it would level off than take a big jump.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
exactly why are talking about this
Because your response to being proven wrong was “But, the cap should go up.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You asked why we were talking about the cap going up or down.
The answer is: Because you brought it up.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh, that hasn’t proven true the last two years.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
No, it really wasn’t. Neither was last year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Or the next JS Giguere.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
How many Tim Thomas’ are there, that are worth that contract for one year?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
How many Tim Thomas’ are there
Oh, oh, oh! Pick me! Pick me! I know the answer!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
go ahead, and prove to everyone the statistical probabilty of a goalie making that much and having an amazing year, being worth that big of a contract
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
how many players are worth there contract seriously you have to overpay to get good players and eventually overpay to keep your good players try building a team entirely on optimal contracts and keep those players for more then a couple of seasons
I want you as an employer. I could be making decent bank
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
if you were a good employee I would pay to keep you
under you model you would spend a couple years training an employee and when the finally get good at their job and demand higher salary you would let them walk and start the training all over again
I am pretty sure business people would agree that you model will cost more with less production
Oh, I was going to say there’s only one Tim Thomas.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying that we didn’t screw over Bob here, I’m just saying it’s not a cut and dry “his career here is over” situation. He’ll likely be rumored as trade bait for the next couple years if he stays, but I’m of the opinion that he was rushed into a starting role, and that he can use the time as a backup on a good team to develop.
1-2 years yes
5 years? No
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
you’re a shit ton more optimistic than I in this regard.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.. I’m trying to be optimistic about everything. How the hell else am I supposed to deal with this offseason?
Well no, I’m optimistic too. I like Bryzgalov as a player, but Cap hits and wasted money tarnish many careers. I just get pissed because the Flyers had an oppurtunity to take their time and sign a goalie. This wasn’t like a trade with a closing window. They deliberately went out there, Bryz told them a price, and they took it, without even a whimper
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I mostly blame Snider. I think we can field a very successful team for years to come with that cap hit, but not if we throw out future dumb contracts. When Hartnell and Timonen’s hits come off, in addition to random smaller ones (Lappy, Shelley), I think we’ll be ok.
I will never admit that bryzgalov is worth the money he gets, unless he pulls Thomas like numbers
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Glen Sather said the same thing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
hey Geoff, if Jagr scorers 90 pts this year, I’m pretty sure we’ll win a Cup.
Doesn’t mean it should make u feel better
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Ted Leonsis said the same thing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
“I’m pretty sure Adam Oates at the deadline will bring us a Cup”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
this has the potential to be a very fun game of, “which GM said this”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
“Who wouldn’t pay that much for such a good enforcer?”
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
If I may, I’d like to add to the pall you’ve cast this morning re: Bob/ Bryz by asking what we should do about Backlund. He’s got a one-way deal this year, he isn’t waiver-exempt, and won’t see the NHL w/ us. Am I alone in thinking we should try to move him sometime this year to a team in need of a backup? If he stays we’ll be spending a helluva lot on AHL goaltending this year.
We would probably need to see if someone around the league gets injured before moving him, like the Montoya trade last year. Besides, we need to stockpile 7th rounders so that we can give them out like candy to teams w/ attractive pending FAs for the negotiating rights.
Stevie Y was said to have been scouting Backlund last year before he acquired Roloson.
Hahahahaha, oh ye of no perspective.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
hrm, did I just call in some Don?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Well one, the kid is what 24 now. Including playoffs, his career ESS% is 0.924. This past year, the first year he has been given the keys to the starting job, he posted at .931 ESS% during the regular season. To say he is mentally weak is not only discounting his age, and the city he plays in, but discounting his actual performance.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
we could’ve traded for that. SO many wasted options
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw firsthand what we did to him in the playoffs a few years back. It forever cemented my views on him! Normally I’m up for argument but this is one thing I take a hardline on. I said he’d never win a cup. I know he’s a good goalie, but I don’t want him on my team!
I’ve been to every home playoff game for the past 10 years. Yet I can still step back and see who he is as a goalie. He was what, 21 or 22 then. You can take a hard stance all you want, and saying he won’t win a cup says next to nothing about him since that takes a team and luck. It’s fine if you want to be ignorant on this one, I’m just going to point it out.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
It’s been pointed out to me plenty. I decided to make an up to two decade long prediction, and I’m sticking to it. I’ve softened on my original stance that he wasn’t very good – he’s clearly got skill, and is at times dominant .. but I won’t be backing down, and I don’t want him on the Flyers, at the risk of my prediction coming true in an ironic way!
He’ll also bang every sorority girl at temple while smoking an entire king sized pack of smokes at the same time.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 7, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
is there a problem here?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Just imagine if Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were still on the team. They wouldn’t like it if Carey Price banged all their women and smoked all their cigarettes
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 7, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
In my book, the goalie can snort coke off of strippers’ ass, fight body guards, and as long as he’s ready to stop the puck, I don’t care. How I think of hockey the goalie is on his own island, and operates by a different set of rules
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
In general I agree. As you note, there are a handful of goalies on your list I’d rather not have (Smith, Price, Conklin, and even Rolo) and a few I’d add (Anderson, Dekanich, Emery). I’d absolutely take that deal with Washington for Varly, especially since he could be ‘sheltered’ in taking only a half-season, while Bob got the rest – so his injury issues wouldn’t drag him down. (Then you trade the lesser one in a couple years once value has built.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 7, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
There were many options, and the Flyers (blame whoever) chose 1 route and went for it
They should’ve realized what happens to a QB who just locks onto a WR from scrimmage. It doesn’t end well, any CB will read that and take it back for 6
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you channeling your inner JIBTA??? Discussions of cornerbacks make me jittery lately …
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 7, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
all I was simply saying is that if a QB says to himself I’m only going to pass to one guy on this play, and he doesn’t look at his other options, the cornerback will intercept the ball and take it back for six
the Flyers didn’t look at their other options, and they got burnt, to the tune of 5.67 million dollars
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
R.I.P. Titans
It’s a shame to hear about the Trenton affiliate shutting down. They had a really good model there when they were the Titans. It was a neutral jersey and insignia (I always loved the way they used the Trenton Makes bridge in the top part of the sweater: http://images39.fotki.com/v1285/photos/2/255242/5682253/ntonTitanscirca2005SPauthentic-vi.jpg), and you’d go to the arena and see fans wearing jerseys from the Flyers, the Islanders, the Rangers, and the Devils. As soon as the Devils took over and changed the jerseys and insignia to match the parent club, though, almost all of the non-Devils fans abandoned the club in droves and there weren’t enough Devils fans around to fill the void.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Jagr- Dobré odpoledne. Já jsem Jaromír Jagr.
Weird, I understood this. I guess Czech and Slovenian are similar…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
you’re both slavs. Congrats
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I realized this right after I said it. I went to Slovenia and Croatia for vacation back in May and learned a little of both languages for the trip, but haven’t used it since. It just caught me by surprise that I understood it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
didn’t want to come off as a douche, just wanted you to look at a map and a history book. It’d be like me going to Australia and saying “damn, I’m surprised I understand them”
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You didn’t want to come off as a douche? I don’t believe it. /s
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
And, to top it off, you’re a Flyers fan. That's like being the worst human imaginable.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
in fallout 3 I chose to enslave the children
true story
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Justifiable. The children were Pens fans.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
unfortunately I don’t think you get the reference. But that’s ok
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Oops, sorry. What is the quote from?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
it’s a videogame. It was a poor reference to make, because in this audience a small minority has probably even played fallout 3
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you blow up Megaton and let the ghouls into the tower?
Bob.
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I slaughtered every bourgeois piece of scum in there
didn’t blow up Megaton though
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
In Kings Quest III, I spent the majority of my time kicking the cat.
\showing my age
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yeah you did!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
You gonna enlighten the rest of us what the fuck it means, or just dangle it there?
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 7, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
… or just dangle it there?
This is really killing me to leave this phrase alone.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
Set …
/waiting for the spike
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 7, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The PSD article on Read says he came to camp “on his own dime”. Since he’s under contract, doesn’t the team pick up his expenses? It should be just invitees that have to pay their own way.
Yeah, I was surprised at that too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps there is some kind of limitation with regards to players on one-way contracts?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Saw Leed commented on my Marshall comment. (I think someone here asked him). I guess it really is in the eye of who is watching. Didn’t see Marshall’s defensive playing, but I know for sure I didnt like his outlet passing during the dekeing drills.
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Ah yeah, that was me that brought up your outlet pass comment. Found it interesting that he had such a solid “He will be an NHL player” view.
From watching Marshall play during the Phantoms, near the end, his defensive play was very good. Sometimes he got out of position trying to make a big hit, but otherwise his play on defense was sound. His passing from the back to mid-ice though was not as good. I wish I could find the stats, but I would be curious how many turnovers he had.
I dont know if you can make the NHL just based off of defensive play. You will need to be able to move the puck.
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The AHL doesn’t track turnovers.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely OT, but my boss just walked past my door, then came back and stared at me with a look of puzzlement for a few seconds before saying “I thought you were on vacation.” I’m wishing I had my door shut, I could have sat in here all day and he never would have known the difference. This was a missed opportunity.
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Now that he knows you’re back, I’m sure he’ll decide you’re just the man for a new time-sensitive, labor-intensive, mind numbingly boring project!
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Debating that.
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by Cillo stache on Jul 7, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
If you do, you’d better still come visit us here, or we’ll send Rinaldo to go and bring you back!
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Hahahha, I won’t leave you hintzy. Bsh is my home base, I am and forever will be a Flyers fan.
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by Cillo stache on Jul 7, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
They’ve got an article up right now about how they’re starting to warm to the idea of Carcillo being a Hawk.
http://www.secondcityhockey.com/2011/7/5/2259811/warming-up-to-carbomb
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I’m going to follow the Hawks because of Dan, but my loyalty lies here in Philly. Its weird of me to sign up for their site strictly because of Dan and not knowing very much about the Hawks in general.
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by Cillo stache on Jul 7, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I recommend lurking over there for a bit to get the feel for it — it’s a lot of fun, but also quite harsh, and you want to know what you’re getting into before you wade in.
When you said quite harsh, I wondered if I’d fit in over there
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Also OT, I’m rather amused that the only person at work who has come to discuss the various trades and signings with me is the solitary Pens fan. He’s an actual Pens fan, having grown up near there, not a bandwagoner. None of the (numerous) Caps fans have said anything about hockey since their season ended, nor have I heard them talking to each other about the Caps moves.
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Hahaha, this is definitely what my wife thinks. Anytime she asks me “what are you reading?” or “what did your dad call about?” and the answer is “hockey,” she’s like “why? it’s summer! there’s nothing to read/talk about!”
Yesterday, the call from dad was about Jagr (he just found out). I tried to explain this to her by comparing to a hypothetical situation of J.J. Redick transferring from Duke to Maryland, that he might score a lot of points, but we’d never feel right about it. Her response was “but that would have never happened.” I just can’t explain hockey to her. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
So if Pronger signs with the Pens can you explain it like Christian Laitner transferring to UNC?
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
If we were Duke fans (ugh, it hurts to even type that), then yes. But for us it would be more like Steve Blake transferring to Duke.
Laettner going from Duke to UNC would be more akin to Crosby being traded from Pittsburgh to the Rangers or Devils.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
yeah, I grew up a Blue Devils fan…
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
You’re not the only one having a strange day at work. Yesterday some POS murdered two children and left them in a car in the parking lot of a major client, about two blocks from my place of business. It’s all over the national news now. Apparently he wanted to get back at his girlfriend, who reported him for domestic abuse over the weekend, by killing the woman’s 3 and 4 year old kids.
Very quick personal opinions from training camp today....
Today they did all the defense in group 1 and all the forwards in group 2, no scrimmage. I’ll be honest and say that I was really looking for the guys we talk about all the time, and there are some guys I didn’t form opinions on. Obviously I wasn’t able to process every run by every player, but these are the things that seemed to stick. I tried really hard not to let confirmation bias in here, but these are some of my notes from 1 day of limited exposure.
For starters, I am not drinking the Testwuide Kool-aid, in fact I’m not even going anywhere near it. He had a really really rough morning, and receiving passes was not his strong suit today. Wellwood actually seemed to suffer from being teamed with him a few times, there was one drill where they were teams of 3 and on 2 runs Wellwood never even touched the puck because Testwuide bobbled it. Wellwood didn’t really stick out much today, but he didn’t seem to be doing really badly either.
Rinaldo has more skills than I gave him credit for. But IMO he had flashes of brilliance mixed with plenty of bobbles. Still way better overall than my expectations.
Read and Schenn looked pretty solid all the way through. The first run through one of the give and go type drills, Read had pretty much a perfect run, he scored Wellwood’s rebound and his own shot seconds later. Schenn has a real nice shot. Couturier looked good, but something minor was nagging me about him all day. Conditioning, maybe? I know he’s not supposed to be the best skater, but that didn’t seem to be it. I can’t put my finger on exactly what it was though, but I just don’t know if he’s strong enough to make a jump yet. I’m going to try to go to camp Saturday, too, and maybe it’ll all look better in a scrimmage. Huge potential though, he’s probably going to be great someday.
Harper was also really good in many of the drills. All the forward drills were offensively oriented today, but Ben Holmstrom held his own even though he’s supposed to be more of a defense oriented guy.
Gustaffson looked really sharp in the passing drills, which were the very first thing. I really like fundamentals in my hockey players, and Gus was really a fundamentals kind of guy today. Solid pretty much everywhere.
Bourdon bothered me all morning. I tried and tried to like him and say he was going to fix it in the next drill, but it wasn’t happening. He seemed frustrated to me, too.
When they were doing a defensive drill to try to keep a guy out of the crease, the difference between some of the guys was really apparent. Marshall shined by keeping his stick down and his positioning looked good, Blidstrand tried to get about 6 crosschecking penalties in one shift (literally that was all he did on one of the runs), and Bourdon just seemed off.
Hostetter seemed to skate pretty well and have a pretty good shot, but I definitely had limited exposure. I’m still wishing they would put sleeve numbers on practice jerseys, but I’m sure I’ll be beating that dead horse for a long time.
I have more notes, too, but that’s probably enough ranting. I half expect somebody else to get here and tell me they disagree with every thing I said, but oh well, I’m a CBA geek, not a scout.
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my 2 cents is more notes is more better. We heart you for more than just your CBA knowledge. Any personal read on Luuko? (I have a bias because he’s coming up to my city for college next year and I am going to try to get a read on him if I can get into some UVM home games.)
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I thought he was pretty sound and my overall opinion was reasonably positive. Didn’t stick out much and he wasn’t stellar, but his fundamentals seemed okay and I didn’t spot anything negative. He just seemed like he wasn’t ready to hang with some of that group yet; 19 and playing like he’s still 19, rather than 19 and showing the skill of a 23 or 24 year old.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Still a better review from what I remember from camp last year. Don’t remember very sound details, but it was along the lines of “way small and outclassed”
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
Yeah, that’s what I saw last year. He was also, what, 17 last year?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d still agree to that to a point, but he didn’t do anything to make me think ill of him, which is probably a step in the right direction. 19 and playing like a 19 year old is outclassed by the bigger and better guys there, after all.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it will be interesting to see if he’s competent or Dominant in America East playing against NCAA players instead of Major-Junior/AHL players.
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I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
He was at the other end of the ice. I was sitting on the bleachers right at the red line, and the guys who were on the other side by the player benches were harder to see. I saw some good things over there, but without sleeve numbers, it was really hard to identify who it was.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Initial reports was that he was small today, 5’4", until reporters realized he was sitting on the bench.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
I’m just bitter how fast that got played out.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
You need more 1 year olds in your life. The baby in my profile pic here is now 1 and wants things his own way. I am live in nannying for his family because his mom broke her elbow. I tell him “Why you heff to be mad?” at least 5 times a day. Its caught on with his parents too.
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I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I don’t think I communicated to you properly what has aggravated me with this thing. If I was a nanny for a 1year old, who’s parents constantly said that, there would be one less 1 year old in this world.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Sorry, but that last sentence is bothersome today. It’s tough enough cooperating w/ police who are searching for the murder scene around my building w/ dogs and such.
Ah went up and saw your comment, that’s depressing.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
I glazed over that one m. I have a 6 week old son, so… the thought of that situation has melted my brain into terrible thoughts and hoping you live in a state with the death penalty.
As for the nannying, its volunteer, not a jobby-job, so little Benjamin’s parents can say whatever they want as they are some of my closest friends.
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I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
It was a joke, an exaggeration, to point out that the phrase’s over use is the thing that aggravates me. Not meant to imply anything about your friends, baby sitting, or condoning violence on anything.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
DL, sorry, my posts are not coming out very well today…
Didn’t take any offense at all, in fact I don’t think I’ve ever taken offense to anything you’ve said. And its not like if I did there would be… I dunno… bat threats?
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I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I just feel bad, missed mitanic’s link, and then I just remembered the whole murder trial that just ended that I purposely avoided. Just because I shelter myself from that stuff so I can manage to be able to maintain some belief in our society doesn’t mean I can make jokes about that kind of stuff. I often forget my audience.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Story here. Last night’s news stated that they were murdered elswhere, so police were canvassing the area all around using dogs. People are understandably shook up at the thought that they could have been killed just outside our door.
I stay away from stories or links like that in general, and why I tend to stay away from news outlets. I basically stick to stories revolving around economics for my news as I find everything else to either be overly depressing or overly trivial.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
The current state of economics isn’t overly depressing?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I read it from a purely academic stand point, so not from the perspective I read it.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
I’ll just stick to engineering by day and musician by night, thank you very much.
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I’m getting tired of companies using the economy as a fallback excuse to layoff workforce because they either a) didn’t plan accordingly or b) are trying to maximize profits (or raise C-level salaries).
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Was he still big today?
Isn’t that kinda personal?
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 7, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Muchos gracias, senorita :) Your CBA-geek eyes are there; mine are not.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 7, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This seems like exactly my impressions last year, outside of Bourdon/Marshall. But after going to Glens Falls, I saw the same thing you did today.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I was there for the second group only. Some brief comments:
I agree with the Testwuide review. Not impressed.
I thought Rinaldo struggled a bit on the early puck handling drills. But, he seemed to get better as the morning went along. He scored on Phillips with a really nice backhand. Also, saw him acknowledge a couple of small boys with their noses pasted to the glass. Good for him.
I thought Couturier looked good overall.
As someone mentioned yesterday, Sestito is big!
The one who really stood out for me was Placek.
Placek in a good way or a bad way? I actually wrote it down when he got yanked out of the deke drills at the beginning, my note says “Uh oh what was that?”, but that was the only bad note I had about him, I didn’t really get as far as forming an opinion about him.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’m with you that Rinaldo seemed to get better as it went along, but not perfectly. Like he was rough on the first few deke/stickhandling drills, then he aced the ones where they only used the toe of the blade, and then he kept up for a while until the last few really hard ones where he lost the puck on every run. He was directly in front of me for those.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
So does anyone have any idea why the Flyers used one of their precious few roster spots to sign a 28-year-old AHL veteran goalie?
Is Leighton and/or Backlund going somewhere?
Wot does that say for those of us who can’t access Twitterz at work?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
He was waived and re-entry waived last year and nobody claimed him then. They’re worried someone will this year?
No, I’m just saying they’re going to release him.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
They can buy him out.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
and that seems like it will be happening
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
roughly $500k each of the next two years: http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php?player_id=548&buyout_y=2011&buyout_m=07&buyout_d=20
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Then he counts against the NHL cap for this year and next. All to save about 1/100th of what Snider just willingly gave away to Breezy?
by hebrew hammer on Jul 7, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So they pay him about 550k fewer actual dollars, and when you subtract the 125k the new guy gets, they have 425k in savings.
And for that, they have an extra 500k in cap hit this year and next? I don’t see them making that move.
Yeah. Why buy him out when we can lose him on reentry waivers and have the whole cap hit against us.
Re-Entry waivers is only half the cap hit; but it’s still 750k I’d rather not have on there.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, right. I got ahead of myself; I was thinking Bryz or Bob goes down w/ an injury, Leighton gets claimed on reentry, then Bicashua gets claimed on reentry. And then what?
I am 99% sure Bicashua qualifies for the ‘Veteran Minor League Player’ re-entry waiver exemption. Regular waives to go down to the AHL still apply.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s played 61 games over the past two years and 22 last year, so i think so (i know for skaters its 80/40 but i don’t remember how much less it is for goalies)
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No, I mean Bacashihua qualifies for the exemption, not Leighton. Sorry I wasn’t clear enough, but mtitanic had said “then Bicashua gets claimed on reentry”.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s Bicashua’s AHL GP over the last two years i posted.
(who has another i in there somewhere which made it harder to find him)
Though now that i think about it last season’s AHL numbers might not be on HR yet so i could be off a year.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
But those are the AHL game totals, not NHL…
The Re-Entry Waiver procedure will not, however, be applicable toAccording to his full movement history, he’s only spent 8 days on an NHL roster in the last two years combined.
Veteran Minor League Players defined as follows: (i) for goaltenders, Players who have: (A) played in 180 or more professional games in North America (NHL, AHL and ECHL), and (B) not spent more than 80 NHL games on NHL roster over the prior two (2) seasons or more than 40 NHL games on NHL roster in the immediately prior season
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm… the minor league games part of re-entry waivers is simpler than i remember it being.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
It’s because AHL games count toward Part A and not toward Part B. I understand how it can be confusing. Playing those AHL games in the last two years just reinforces that he’s a minor league player, not an NHL one.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I had thought there was a recent AHL games requirement and not just a flat 180 GP requirement.
This is what happens when i try to quote things i looked up last year (Though that Lalime statistic i looked up last December and the only error is that Quick had 39 wins and not 40)
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I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Has Leighton been on the roster for more than 80 NHL games in the past two seasons? I know he hasn’t met the 40 for last season so could he potentially qualify for this re-entry waivers, waiver.
by KornontheKobb on Jul 8, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He was on an NHL roster all of 09-10.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He also may have been on the roster for 40 games last year, since he was on the team for more than half the days of the season (via CapGeek).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 8, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he was. He missed 32 games while on LTIR (those count), then we didn’t demote him until 3 weeks later (even though there was christmas break in there, he was still on the roster for at lest 6 games, possibly 7 depending on whether or not the day he was activate counts. Then he was up for the final two games. So that’s 40, possibly 41.
And the previous year he was on an NHL roster for 80 games, I think, maybe even 81. He was in the AHL for 3 measly days before he got put on re-entry and we claimed him. So that’s 40 last year, and 120 over the last two.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 8, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
‘Veteran Minor League Player’ re-entry waiver exemption
Ok, I’m not familiar w/ this rule. Would you please expand on this, including any differences in how the rule may apply differently between skaters and goalie?
Just to reiterate above, Leighton does not qualify for this and requires re-entry waivers. Bicashihua does qualify, because he barely spent any games on an NHL roster last year.
The Veteran Minor League Player exemption is for guys who are not on an NHL roster for either 40 games the previous season or 80 total over the last two. Playing in actual games is not a requirement, they just have to be on the roster for that number of games. Time spent on LTIR counts towards the 40/80 game marks. They also have to have played 180 ‘professional’ games when you total up NHL + AHL + ECHL. It’s for true, minor league only guys who never spend time on an NHL roster.
Leighton is way, way over the 80 game mark, so it’s not even close for him. Bacashihua is way, way under it.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, why can’t they just waive him and be done with it?
by mantis toboggan on Jul 7, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So, as far as Bicashua is concerned, this exemption trumps being paid 125k at the AHL level (as opposed to 105k or less)?
Yes. If he made less than 105K, you wouldn’t even enter the paragraph to start going through the processing to determine if he’s eligible, you’d kick out before you started. This is at the bottom on the paragraph, and overrides the conditions for re-entry waivers defined within the process.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Asked this early sorry to double-post but what is Leighton at or where could I find that information? I feel like he wasn’t on LTIR for 40 games this past season and dont’ really remember when we got him in 09-10 but it wouldn’t surprise me to know it makes him hit the 80 GP, just wondering how close he is.
by KornontheKobb on Jul 8, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.cgi?2002&showAllMoves=1
You have to count the days on the roster manually. That tells you the dates he was called up and the dates he was waived, but you have to figure out how many games the team played between those dates.
I already did it for you, it was 40. Maybe 41, but it doesn’t matter.
In 09-10, we got him in Decemeber, but the games he was on the roster in Carolina count toward his total.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 8, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Time to go skyrocket Leighton to the top of capgeek’s buyout calculator.
by hebrew hammer on Jul 7, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. but I don’t know why they’d do that; it wouldn’t save them that much salary money over burying him in the minors for 1 year, and then he counts toward the cap partially instead of not at all. I don’t want his buyout showing up on the 2012-13 cap, since that’s the new CBA and god knows what the cap will be.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
They have Enroth.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not terrible enough to be a backup goaltender in Buffalo. We have a tradition to uphold.
(Oddly enough two years ago Quick had 40 wins and the exact same S% and GAA as Lalime)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Are you only basing that on Leighton not being all that terrible in 09-10? Because he far and away had a career year when we picked him up off waivers, just ask Geoff.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Enroth is the not-terrible goaltender, not Captain FiveHole.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Sorry, my mistake. I agree that Enroth isn’t as bad, I just misinterpreted your comment.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there’s a better chance of Backlund and his 800K getting claimed. He’s shown pretty solid potential, albeit at the AHL level
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see that, personally.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, let me clarify… I think it’s more believable to say a team would claim Backlund before I’d believe someone will claim Leighton. I don’t think either will actually happen.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, we disagree :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a question playing into my strategy here, how many times can you put someone on waivers?
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There isn’t like a career limit; but waiver paperwork isn’t required for every single demotion. The same set of papers is good until the player plays 10 NHL games or spends 30 cumulative days on an NHL roster. So if you waive somebody to send them down and they clear; then call them back up and they clear; if they’re only on the roster 5 days and you send them back down you don’t put them through waivers again. I know that’s going to be confusing. But the original papers don’t expire until that 10 game or 30 day mark is reached, even if they go up and down 10 times before they reach the expiration point.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you both! How do you know so much about the CBA? Its amazing
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Probably because it is the most accessed document on my entire computer? (Yes, I’m serious). I’ve read it cover to cover over a hundred times, plus reference it more than once per day….
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve read it cover to cover over a hundred times
Masochist times a hundred
by mantis toboggan on Jul 7, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay I’ll concede that it don’t reread that 80+ page exhibit that’s an example of HRR calculation every time. But I read the rest of it!
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking this means a move is in the works involving Bob.
by hebrew hammer on Jul 7, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Backlund could also be loaned to Europe.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I mean, dude is clearly not going to come back after this season. Why would they keep him around?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Backlund could actually be the backup if they did trade Bob. I know, perish the thought of trading Bob at all, but it’s not outside the realm of possibility.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily Bob, but yes, someone is leaving. Assuming Simmonds and Talbot are resigned, Bicashua takes them to 49 contracts. Couturier would be 50, but subject to the slide rule I presume. Looks like Homer’s gonna slice & dice again.
I’m thinking this means a move is in the works involving Bob.
I second this motion. I’m very surprised the discussion has devolved to where poor DG has to get into the fine points of minor-league waivers. Bob traded, Leighton or Backlund to back up Bryz, this guy to be the 2nd at the AHL level. Basically replaces all those better guys the Flyers let silp through their fingers stupidly in June.
FYI, the above paragraph also would suggest that they would not use a precious 50-contract space on someone until camp, UNLESS there was something else up.
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annnddd…I see the retracted Twitter discussion now. Never mind.
In preparation for NHL free agency, thinking of changing my screen name to Bhudde in 10OC.
Er, two days ago.
I have no idea where the “two day” went.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I hate twitter so much
That’s also what his movement history in his Player Bio on the hockey news says, for what it’s worth. I was just about to say something about that.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 7, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Please, just stop using twitter. For the love of Christ, everyone stop using twitter
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
But I like it!
It’s sorta like my AIM/Facebook for BSH and hockey people.
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Ok, then just keep the twitter things on twitter.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
Seriously, first it was capgeek posts and now it’s false twitter reiterations
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
But it’s fun to call out morons in public!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 7, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Calling out morons is an artform. Any time where calling someone out is restricted to 140 characters or less, it’s not art anymore
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know why this made me belly laugh, but it did. I mean it was funny, but not belly laugh funny.
I HAVE to be mad because you keep saying, "why you heff to be mad?" in every other post.
it’s because I’m funny, in a Ron Swanson kind of way
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
reference went over my head
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
good, I was confused and I wiki’d. If you just woulda told me to go “Go home and get my shinebox” I woulda understood
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I would but then I would have missed that whole exchange between Travis, Geoff, and that guy who use to write for the Bleacher Report and is now freelance….
"The characters in this picture are all fictitious. Anyone resembling them is better off dead
Karate' Jerry..... Karate'
Semper Fi...
See, I DID miss that. Being here all day most days leaves me no time for twitteringinening.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
Go look in the Twitter Way Back Machine. You’ll be glad you did — you’ll learn all sorts of interesting things about what Geoff and Travis do in their spare time.
something about alps and sodomy
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
For the trouble I used to get up to at UPenn under the excuse of being a Drexel student, I don’t think I have any room for pointing fingers and laughing at what others “get up to”
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
I was under the impression that anyone could write on Bleacher report. You mean they only let specific bad writers steal make up news stories for them?
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
you say columnist, I say bathroom wall writer
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 7, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
A fancy bathroom could have columns in it to write on.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
by hintzy64 on Jul 7, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This week is making me want to hit my head against that wall, and that’s not counting anything related to hockey.
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Perhaps this flow chart will lighten your mood:
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/672204/nhl_fan_flow_chart.jpg
Eh
Sorta helped a bit.
Assistant Masthead Power Person on Down Goes Spezza as ItsAFez66
I'm the Pronger. DUH, WINNING.
Chem and Gus to the restaurant.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun
Definition: Bad-assery on skates
I asked three people (2 Pens fans and a Caps fan) they’re all Flyers fans. Haha.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jul 7, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Good chart – it’s diverting my attention at work. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jul 8, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
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