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Did the Defensemen Play Differently in Front of Different Goaltenders?

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In what has been a common theme since Ilya Bryzgalov signed with the Flyers, many have stated that a better goalie will elevate the play of those in front of him by inspiring confidence.

The difficult part of this statement is that it can neither be confirmed, nor denied. It sure sounds good, but the inverse - that teams play better in front of their backups due to a higher level of focus - is equally true. How one frames the statement is also important. Whether the claim is that teams play better or that they play more aggressively changes the point.

It may not answer either question, and there are multiple caveats necessary, but here's a look at individual Corsi scores among Flyers defensemen last year in front of Sergei Bobrovsky compared to Brian Boucher. This was accomplished by taking their Corsi with Bobrovsky and subtracting their Corsi with Boucher.

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The sample size is small, score effects have not been accounted for, ice time in front of each goaltender is ignored, as is zone starts and strength of opposition. it probably does not even answer either question. It does, however, show that Andrej Meszaros was nearly 17% better at controlling shots in front of Bobrovsky than he was in front of Boucher while Braydon Coburn was nearly 10% better at controlling shots in front of Boucher than he was in front of Bobrovsky.

I don't see any playing style causes to this phenomenon - Coburn and O`Donnell are stay-at-home while Meszaros and Pronger are big, risk-taking offensive-minded defensemen. I do, however, see the players with the second, third, and fourth highest CorsiRel Quality of Competition playing better in front of Boucher and the fifth and sixth highest playing better in front of Bobrovsky.

I don't think that's the answer, however, but it's all I have. Anybody have any ideas or explanations?

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For all the talk about those quotes from Kimmo back in February(? March? Some time around then…) about how concerned he was with Bob’s ability to handle the puck, it’s at least a bit interesting to see that his score was higher for Bob than for Boosh.

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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Aug 10, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Anybody have any ideas or explanations?
The sample size is small, score effects have not been accounted for, ice time in front of each goaltender is ignored, as is zone starts and strength of opposition. It probably does not even answer either question.

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by Justin F. on Aug 10, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I play goal, and I know that at a lower level, dmen play differently (to an extent) in front of different goalies. Now a stay at home guy doesn’t turn into a powerplay quarterback, but what I mean is each goalie plays differently. Some goalies like to play their rebounds to the corners, while others are better at controlling the puck and eating a rebound. That has something to do with it.

A goalie who is not as good at controlling his rebounds, a dman may play more in front of the goalie, whereas a goalie who will eat the rebounds will often play the passing lanes. This is not always true, because a player still has to stick with their strengths. But they may make positional adjustments. Sometimes, my team, if I am having a great night, will take more chances. But I don’t think at the NHL level, that happens as much. Just some positional adjustments.

by Dozer3677 on Aug 10, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with all of that but I don’t think the quality of the goalie affects the defenders decision to pinch. I think that the d-partner has more of an impact on how the origional defender plays than the goalie does.

by OrangeNblacK on Aug 10, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I played defense and 100% the decision to pinch or rush was decided due to who my partner was. On 2-1’s however, knowing how the goalie likes to play also plays into how i’d attack that too. Mostly though my goalies were always better taking the shot so my job was easy.

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by Val_d'Or on Aug 10, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random Question

this was posted on a facebook flyers page: What did Homer do exactly that would be directly to blame for this team not winning the cup the last 2 or 3 seasons?

please chime in with answers please.

by Jazzy85 on Aug 10, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  


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