Monday Morning Fly By: The Day Has Finally Arrived
by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 12, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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- Seven players to watch at rookie camp this week: [HockeyBuzz.com]
- Five players to watch at rookie camp this week, since they aren't likely to be talked about: [SB Nation Philly]
- Goalie Shayne Campbell was invited to training camp: [euroflyers]
- Asking and answering some questions entering camp: [Hockey Tracker]
- DGS apologizes to Paul Holmgren, for something I don't think he had to apologize for: [Down Goes Spezza]
- Looking at Craig MacTavish's attempt to return to an NHL bench: [Puck Daddy]
- A look back at how the NHL responded to 9/11: [Puck Daddy]
- Peter Laviolette remembers 9/11 as it was his first day as an NHL coach: [Inquirer]
- Lokomotiv will not play in the KHL this season: [Puck Daddy]
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I read that too, not sure if its correct so I’m searching
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by Cillo stache on Sep 12, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s also on NHL.com now
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 12, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
ooh. Thanks it wasn’t there during geometry and figured I’d find a credible source before being sad
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by Cillo stache on Sep 12, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just found that AP story on another news site.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 12, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just saw that on the BBC’s headlines.
Bob.
by The Dark on Sep 12, 2011 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Five players to watch in camp? Matt Read, Matt Read, Matt Read, Matt Read, and Matt Read. Why? Because he shoots hot fire.
Separately, saying “I wouldn’t be surprised if Couturier gets a serious look in camp” is kinda silly. He’s an eighth overall: of course they will. But that’s not answering any kind of question.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 12, 2011 9:13 AM EDT reply actions
I’m with you on the DGS article, as far as not thinking he had to apologize for calling Holmgren out. i have no idea why he’s changing his position on this, because his new position is awfully shaky to me.
First, as I tried to rationalize with him over Twitter, there’s basically no way scenario 3 happens. It’s either going to trigger circumvention in Article 26 and the league and/or NHLPA is going to put their foot down; or no team with a limited budget is going to want to do it. If they got away with it, then yes, they get great value for the first half of the buyout period, paying a fraction of his cap hit and enjoying that large benefit against the floor. But they have to keep paying him twice as long as they are getting the benefits from it; and I don’t see any of those teams wanting to keep paying the buyout amount once none of that buyout money is actually helping them reach the floor.
Secondly, both scenario 2 and scenario 3 are dependent on the floor rules being either the same or very similar to what they are now. We know the floor is the one thing that’s almost guaranteed to change in the new CBA, and while I think there will still be one, I don’t know what the differences will be.
Lastly, scenario one is something that’s already been covered. And the new CBA could still try to close the LTIR loophole in some way. Speculative example rule change: The new LTIR rule could say that if the player makes more than the league’s average player salary, you can only get that average amount in LTIR relief instead of the players full cap hit. I have no idea what the league will actually do, but I expect that the LTIR issue will be on the table and get discussed during negotiations, even if it ends up not being changed in the end.
So I disagree with calling this a genius move, especially since the new CBA could change everything.
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Basically, I disagree because all of his scenarios apply to non-35+ contracts as well. None of those scenarios cover the mistake made by not understanding the CBA rules.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 12, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, yes, that too. But even in a non-35+ contract, those extra buyout years don’t help floor teams. If a floor team buys out say the last 2 years of Briere’s contract, they get the inflated amount of cap relief for the first two buyout years, but for the last two years the amount counting against the floor is the same as the amount they’re paying him. Whether it’s 35+ or not 35+, the second half of the buyout period doesn’t help a floor team and so it’s not realistic to expect a team to do it. It’s two years of cap help followed by two years of hampering their budget.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 12, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Also true.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 12, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the time of year when a certain hockey writer from the Inquirer starts talking out of his ass on Twitter again. Ugh.
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by Mike B on D on Sep 12, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, does anyone know what the jury duty pool is like today? It’s been a question on my mind all morning.
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As long as he also explains what lunch is like.
by hebrew hammer on Sep 12, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I actually don’t mind that all that much.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 12, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a weird double-standard here.
Life tweets from bloggers are ok from me, because intertwining your life and your personality with your journalism is commonly a part of blogging. Life tweets from mainstream media makes me say “why would I give a shit whether you get called from jury duty?”
It’s probably unfair, but it’s the way my head works. You don’t see Bob McKenzie tweeting about how he has jury duty or “”http://twitter.com/#!/tpanotchCSN/status/112674229245325313" target="new">why does flounder cost more than salmon at ShopRite?". Where that kind of tweet makes a blogger seem like my buddy, it makes a MSMer seem…well, unprofessional is too strong, but certainly less serious.
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Yeah, I kinda see your point. It’s also important that he note he’s at jury duty, though, since it conflicts with the job.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 12, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm. My standard leans more to the ‘I don’t care enough about anyone else’s life that much that I need to follow their every momentary thought’. That includes my wife and child. I just don’t see the point. I think Twitter is for twits.
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by MaximumTalbot on Sep 12, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
As opposed to Panotch year round?
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by Chemistry66 on Sep 12, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So in Russian today, we went over place names…guess which city was on the list that made me cringe, audibly gasp, and have to take a few deep breaths?
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by Chemistry66 on Sep 12, 2011 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=587088&navid=DL|NHL|home
in NHLs top 175 fantasy picks, Hartnell is 71st, before Cam Ward, Gags, Jvr, Callahan and Ville
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Will we now see more players falling to get attention?
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by Chemistry66 on Sep 12, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All those delicious PIMs while scoring around 50 points.
Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ecstasy and Alcohol
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and playing with Briere/Carter, Briere/Leino is ripe for assists as well!
by SkookFlyerfan on Sep 12, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a blogger, not a MSMer
Therefore, I think you will all be fascinated by the following:
It’s 9:40 AM, and I’m already struggling with the temptation to eat the delicious sandwich I brought to work. This is why I don’t usually bring a lunch.
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What kind of sandwich?
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 12, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Grilled chicken, lettuce, red pepper, and a garic-steeped olive oil on focaccia.
I had some crackers to make me forget about the sandwich for a while. Another 20 minutes or so and I’ll cross the critical threshold where it’s late enough that I can eat it and not need to go buy a lunch at 1:30.
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Sounds like a Panera sandwich.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 12, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s definitely atypical for me. It’s the product of three things all coming together:
1) My wife bought focaccia for some reason, and it needed to be used up
2) The chicken was going to expire in a day or two, so I cooked all of it
3) I was up a little earlier than usual today and had time to futz around before leaving home
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In a completely unrelated note, make sure to give Jenn crap for pushing dinner back. Her kettle bell training got canceled.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
I was going to try and be extra nice.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 12, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Because I like Jenn.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 12, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
But if you have to try to be extra nice, that’s not who you are, and Jenn likes who you are just fine. But I guess being nice to Jenn doesn’t exclude getting me in trouble with her, which is you being a jerk to me, and that fits in fine with who you are…comment retracted.
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I like your reasoning.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 12, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s your sign.
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by MaximumTalbot on Sep 12, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
T minus 11 hours til NHL12!~!
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by KreiderDesigns on Sep 12, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard the league is considering disciplinary action regarding this head shot by Jonathan Toews: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttigJnJV4XY&feature=player_embedded
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 12, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Toews lost the right to his death glare and pity picks right there.
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Could the Devils really be on the verge of bankruptcy?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/devils_in_the_red_Mi3p63lfff0OCTWRIdroxH
The Devils deny it, but don’t specifically refute all the details of the Post story.
http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/fireice/comments/devils_call_report_that_team_is_facing_bankruptcy_patently_untrue/
There’s lotsa reasons to be skeptical all around, but none of this looks good.
I still don’t understand why the salary cap floor is so high when 5-6 team’s are in the red w/ their operating budgets…
by tinmansstory on Sep 12, 2011 8:12 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
It’s partly because they negotiated the range between the the upper limit and the lower limit to be a fixed dollar amount of $16M; every time the cap goes up the floor goes up by the exact same amount. All was fine when the range was 23M – 39M, but it really should have been a percentage of the cap. Then not only did they base the calculation on league-wide revenue, they also gave the players a clause allowing them to inflate the cap. CBA negotiations are going to be hell this year.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
They forgot to tell Marty Brodeur to stop inviting Kyle Wellwood and Timmy Thomas over for dinner. Dustin Byfuglien was also seen at these events recently.
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Can someone please explain to me the options (not specific players, just scenarios) in which the flyers could have the opportunity to offer a contract to say Coutourier or Nylander if they really impress?
1) Trade a player for draft picks;
2) Buy out a player, taking either 1/3 of remaining money owed over twice the length (under 26 years old) or 2/3 the remaining money owed;
3) Maybe (the Islanders did it, but I don’t see where in the CBA the procedure and guidelines/requirements are outlined) come to a mutual agreement with the player to terminate the contract.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 12, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t remember which player you’re talking about in example 3 to try to look it up.
The 4th option is for another team to claim a player off waivers; but just waiving a player doesn’t help. He has to be claimed by another team to come off the books. Not something that can be done until the later stages of camp when the waiver period begins, and you can’t always guarantee a player is going to be claimed.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that too.
The Islanders player was Joel Rechlicz.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
My best guess is that situation falls under Paragraph 14 of the SPC. The team can terminate a contract after putting a player through Unconditional waivers if the player ‘fails, refuses, or neglects to render their services as a player under the SPC’. Basically breach of contract, in an amicable way? If it was voluntary retirement under By-laws Article 8, he isn’t supposed to be able sign a contract with the AHL, unless clearing unconditional waivers counts as all ‘30 teams agreeing to let him take his name off the voluntary retirement list’, which doesn’t sound right to me at first thought.
I don’t know if we have any players who want to basically give up their SPC voluntarily. The only one of those possibilities Meltzer speculated about was Lehtivuori, but he’s on the Training Camp roster so that doesn’t indicate to me that Lehtivuori would want to do that right now.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. All I saw was the team termination options in the contract, which required cause. It just seems to me that the NHLPA would prevent somebody from saying “yeah, tear up that contract. I don’t want to be paid twice.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it has to be the player saying “I’m not even going to try to play in the NHL at all right now” and basically refusing to report, the team has to agree to let him go without forcing him to play, and every other team has to pass on picking him up off waivers. That’s not an everyday situation.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
No. Though Lehtivuori is the closest the Flyers will get in awhile. Though he’s getting two paychecks, isn’t he?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we obtained Lukas Kraijik under somewhat similar circumstances in that it was a breach of contract/waived/signed as free agent, or some-such combination. That might not be in the right order of events nor completely accurate.
That’s true. Something like that happened. I just have no idea where it’s outlined how to do it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that would be paragraph 14, as well. Krajicek was demoted to the AHL, but after playing there for a while, he stopped showing up. Once he failed to report, they put him through unconditional waivers and terminated the SPC, and the Flyers signed him as a free agent.
But even though we see some examples of it, it’s still going to be a relatively rare occurrence and not a realistic means of cleaning up several spaces on the contract list. It would be better for Homer to just be more careful not to fill it up.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 14, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
This doesn’t change my analysis of how they’re using Paragraph 14, but looking back on it, I think I totally took the wrong angle on the fact that Lehtivuori appears on the training camp roster. I initially interpreted that to mean that he’d be at camp and that he might not want to get out of his SPC. Instead, I think I should have taken it as the Flyers saying “we expect you to be there”, so that when Lehtivuori said “No thanks, I’m not coming”, the Flyers would have grounds to terminate the contract. It makes so much more sense that way.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
More specifically, w/ regard to #1, trade a player currently on the NHL roster. Trading a minor leaguer (or 2 or 3) won’t be sufficient; gotta have cap space too.
Would Nylander sign for the league minimum?
This is a good point; trading minor leaguers would be sufficient to make a spot under the contract limit, but not a spot on the NHL roster for them to play for the Flyers this year. It’s not necessary to sign Couturier now if he isn’t going to play in the NHL, and we aren’t going to sign Nylander only to put him in the AHL.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Lehtivuori
Lehtivuori signed with Modo in Sweden a few weeks ago (after reporting on a tryout invite) so it was clear that he wasn’t going to be coming to the Flyers’ camp. The Swedish regular season starts tomorrow. He was unhappy with the Phantoms last year and asked to be sent home (he was loaned to Sami Kapanen’s team in Finland). Also, Lehtivuori would have been in third and final year of his entry-level contract this season, so it was clear that his time in the Flyers organization was going to come to an end anyway.
Now the Flyers have a contract space freed up. The benefit to Lehtivuori is that he can play for Modo this year without worrying about Philadelphia and he is also free to sign ASAP as a free agent if another NHL organization were to want to sign him for a contract starting in the 2012-13 season.
It just doesn’t make sense for Lehtivuori to do the Flyers any favors, nor does it make sense for him to give up a guaranteed contract he doesn’t have to do anything for.
He could go play for Modo, and have this contract in his back pocket just in case. Why he’d “voluntarily” terminate his deal is beyond me.
Unless the Flyers will demand he show up to camp, then terminate for cause.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
His “guaranteed” contract would only pay him a fraction of the 850k listed at Capgeek, right? And little if any bonus, right? If I were him I’d gladly terminate my contract so that I can start fresh elsewhere ASAP. I don’t know why the Flyers didn’t trade him last year for future considerations.
His AHL salary is 62.5k. He might make ~2-3 times that much in the SEL, but a buyout would be quite a bit more than that (I think — can an actual CBA expert confirm)?
Like Geoff says, if I’m in his shoes, knowing that the Flyers are over a barrel, I probably stare them down and try to get the buyout. But I guess it’s reasonable to just cut ties and move on.
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A buyout gives him the same amount of money, but it charges the Flyers with 1/3 of his cap hit for two years. He doesn’t lose money with a buyout – though I don’t know he if gets his AHL salary or NHL salary.
The problem is, the Flyers could be telling him: Look, either agree to terminate your contract, or show up to camp. When he doesn’t show up to camp – because his SEL season starts – the Flyers don’t need it to be mutual, since he would have broken the contract.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
though I don’t know he if gets his AHL salary or NHL salary.
Yeah, I was assuming (and asking for confirmation that) the buyout got him his NHL salary, which is 635k plus maybe he even gets the 215k of performance bonuses. Compared to the ~50-100k raise he’d get by bolting to Sweden, that’s a big number.
When he doesn’t show up to camp – because his SEL season starts – the Flyers don’t need it to be mutual, since he would have broken the contract.
Unless he plays hardball and shows up and says “you’re going to have to buy me out if you want me gone”. Miss a SEL game or two and see how determined they are…
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If a Player’s SPC has been terminated and bought out by a Club pursuant to the Ordinary Course Buyout provisions set forth in the SPC (which SPC also eliminates the concept of the “lump sum” buyout), the money due and owing to the Player pursuant to the buyout shall be paid out in accordance with the terms of the SPC (e.g., one-third or two-thirds of the remaining Player Salary due and owing, to be paid over twice the remaining years of the terminated and bought out contract)
So what does the SPC say about it?
If the Club elects to terminate this SPC pursuant to this Paragraph 13, it shall be obligated to pay to the Player, in equal semi-monthly installments, to be paid in accordance with the payroll payment schedule applicable to the Club’s Active Roster, over twice the remaining term of the SPC (the “Buy-Out Period”):
(i) if the Player is under 26 years of age at the time the termination is effective, an amount equal to 1/3 of, or
(ii) if the Player is 26 years of age or older at the time the termination is effective, an amount equal to 2/3 of the total fixed amount of the Player’s Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, for the unexpired fixed-term of this SPC, reduced by any advance payment of Paragraph 1 Salary received by the Player prior to the date the termination is effective.
Sounds to me like he’d get 1/3 of the fixed NHL salary, excluding bonuses. So 212k. Probably not enough to be worth putting up a fight over if the team says they’re not buying him out and he has to either show up at camp (and then play in the AHL) or default on his contract.
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The SPC is what DG mentioned earlier. We don’t have his exact one, but we have the standard one. And I tend to agree with your conclusions. He can – and should – bluff, but the Flyers would probably call him on it.
Still, I wouldn’t give up guaranteed money easily. Especially on an organization you think wronged you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
So he can:
Show up and be assigned to ADK for 62.5k and be scratched 90% of the time.
Or:
Take a buyout paying him 106k/ year for two years and go to the SEL.
Or:
Bust the deal and go to the SEL.
Yeah, no matter what he does, he doesn’t get much money out of this.
I think he really only has two options, the first and third. I doubt the Flyers are even offering the buyout.
Though they might if Joonas says “Yeah, I’ll show up. You’ll want me gone like the Oilers wanted Souray gone, but I’ll be there.”
Except then it’s ugly and he’s probably blackballed. Not like it really matters, but some guys don’t want to burn bridges at that age.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
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