Tuesday Morning Fly By: How Many Brayden Schenn Stories Will There Be Today?
by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 6:01 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- After the first day of rookie camp, the story so far is Sean Couturier. At least the stories acknowledge how unlikely it is that he wins a job: [Philly Sports Daily] [CSNPhilly]
- Video of how Claude Giroux trained this summer: [Philadelphia Flyers]
- Profile on Brendan Ranford: [Flyers Faithful]
- The Flyers have sent a camp invite - but not received a response yet - to Adam Mair: [Frequent Flyers] [Philly Sports Daily]
- A great post looking at "soft goals" allowed by Tomas Vokoun and the Panthers last year: [Japers' Rink]
- Ryan Callahan was named Captain of the Rangers: [Blueshirt Banter] [Puck Daddy]
- Patrick Sharp underwent an emergency appendectomy: [Puck Daddy]
- Predicting Jeff Carter to score 39 goals and 79 points next year: [The Cannon]
- The only player from Lokomotiv to survive the plane crash died as a result of his injuries: [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Tributes were held around the globe for the victims of the crash: [Puck Daddy]
- Wayne Gretzky did a trick shot video for College Humor and it's splendid: [SBNation.com]
- Are the Devils close to bankruptcy? [SBNation.com] The team denies the report: [SBNation.com]
- The real reasons the Devils are close to bankruptcy: [Down Goes Spezza]
- The Penguins' old home - the Civic Arena - cleared a hurdle to be demolished: [SBNation.com]
- Good story about a 14 year old girl and how NHL 12 will allow females to be created in the game: [Puck Daddy]
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did anyone else see Andrej Mezaros and Scott Hartnell at the US Open men’s final on tv last night?
there was one camera placed in the crowd that would pan and catch them each time. Mez had a hat on, but that curly-headed Hartnell is hard to miss.
I did not see if anyone else was with them…
Bleeding orange and black since '93!
by Matt 'Puckhead' on Sep 13, 2011 7:25 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, I was watching and noticed Hartnell at first but thought I must have been dreaming haha… but then I also saw Meszaros so I figured they were there together.
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans. LA Kings by default.
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American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Well... Some might remember.
RIP Karel, Jan & Josef.
Wow that Gretz video is hilarious. I love it!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
It’s amazing! I laughed so hard. The ending? Hysterical.
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American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Well... Some might remember.
RIP Karel, Jan & Josef.
New all women’s ice hockey team name:
Jugs Covered By Feathers
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 8:07 AM EDT reply actions
Great DGB piece.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
i was hoping for a real review, and then I got jokes. Not getting those 2 minutes of my life back, but then what do I expect from DGB
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I clearly marked it as a DGB article so I feel no sympathy for you, sir. You knew what you were getting into.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Sep 13, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I preordered it for release date delivery. NHL 12 will be my hobby of choice tonight
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m picking mine up on my lunch break! I can’t wait to play one game then have to go to bed when I get home from work.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Sep 13, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I picked between NHL 12 and Fifa 12…I went with Fifa. But after watching various commercials for NHL I may have to sell some blood so I can get both.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
plasma > blood monetary wise
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
or baking meth
Could call yourself Mr. Pollos
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe another German/Jewish sounding name. Although Heisenberg is kind of funny. I feel like Mr. Pullos could not be taken serious as a meth cook, but then again, if I had protection like Mike I wouldn’t have to worry about it.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I just meant the 2 juarez boys with the axe, dont ruin this for me.
I find heisenberg hilarious, because none of them get the science reference
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
is Mike the owner of Pollos? I was wondering what his name was
favorite character so far is Saul
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
No. Gus is the name of Pollos. His actual name is Gustavo Fring. Mike is the bald headed older guy who is pretty much Gus’s lackey.
And yeah Saul is pretty awesome. I actually love the job Aaron Paul is doing playing Jesse. Especially this current season.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
lot of people to process. In the last 4 episodes theyve introduced a shit ton of people
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
bridge between 2 and 3
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
yup
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The artificial intelligence needs work, as players still make silly mistakes. For example, some players signed long-term contracts with no-trade clauses with the Flyers, and then reacted like they were actually going to get to stay in Philadelphia. Look, they’re buying houses and everything!
OMG! Hahahahahaha!
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RIP Karel, Jan & Josef.
Wouldn’t be crazy if both the Islanders and Devils are sold/relocated next year. Fine with me.
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Are you serious? Why do you want our division to fall apart? We play in a tough division and I enjoy the rivalries that come from that, and I don’t want that to change.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
How excited do you get over a saturday afternoon tilt with the hapless Islanders? Am I serious? It is like watching paint dry 6 times a year.
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Truth. I heard they’re making their transportation vehicles look mean
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I mean Tavares, Grabner et al are going to give defenses fits.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
you are really killing my Slap Shot reference
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
if it's any condolence
I loved it
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Islanders aren’t going anywhere
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
I don’t see the Devils going anywhere. It feels strange that I’m going to defend the Devils existence, but they’re certainly not in one of the worst situations in the league. They certainly have plenty of issues; but part of the reason their arena isn’t full or at least never looks full is the ridiculous price of seats in the lower bowl of the arena. In the WFC, the middle sections of the lower bowl on each side of the rink are roughly $100 or a little higher, depending on the opponent, so we’ll round up and say $125. In the Rock, those same seats are $250 all the time, even if you’re sitting in the back row. Secondly, they have more local households watching than half the league. They need to make changes to the way they operate if they want to stop bleeding money (assuming the reports have any truth to them), especially since they aren’t eligible for revenue sharing under the current system, but they’re not one of the prime candidates for relocation when there’s so many teams that are in far greater financial trouble.
Ugh, I feel like I need a shower now.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree w/ what you’re saying. The Devils won’t be going anywhere. It would help if they would stop spending to the cap, stop circumventing the cap for which they are fined and have draft picks taken away, and stop icing a team that can’t make the playoffs. I view the biggest impediment to Jeff Vanderbeek’s success w/ the Devils to be Jeff Vanderbeek.
Predicting Jeff Carter to score 39 goals and 79 points next year
But will any of them have meaning?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
If a Jeff Carter scores in Columbus, do you still hear the goal horn?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If Richards scores in L.A, does he smile?
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option
by Cillo stache on Sep 13, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
This sounds like a Center Ice commercial.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Free Center ice for a year, that’s all i ask
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
all i want is a year free of center ice
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on past performance evaluated by me, I doubt it.
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Yup, his 181 goals and 343 points in Philadelphia were all meaningless.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Ultimately, in the end, unfortunately yes. Not that I didn’t cheer or get excited.
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Well, for your sake, I hope Jake Voracek scores 30 goals and all of them are GWG, GTG, or insurance goals when the Flyers only lead by one in the third period.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Every single goal will be available for immediate recall in my brain, and have earth-shattering significance. I can’t wait.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Seems like legitimate use of time
Mourning Gagne forever.
by ToddtheFox on Sep 13, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
dear Geoff, i’d love to explain to you how my team caused me to move my had, which lead to failure
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions
Please explain, because I’m at a loss.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
earlier in the week, I was losing all hitting categories, and winning ERA, WHIP, SV. Out of 14 categories, I was losing 10, winning 3, and tied for blown saves. Thursday was my push, and I started Buerhle, Jackson and Halladay. I came away with a 2.5 ERA, losing WHIP, but i was winning hits. At this point, Halladay was down for the week, and I had 1 quality starter left in CC. Cain had already went earlier in the week and lost 3-1. With only CC left, I decided that I could take Ks and Ws if i got some luck from free agent pitchers. A day after i made that choice (Saturday), I was within 4 runs, winning hits, winning avg, only 1 stolen base behind, wins were tied, i was winning losses, i was tied in saves, losing ks and winning bsv because he blew a save. He had the bulk of his rotation starting sunday, so i figured i would lose wins. That put me losing ERA, WHIP, W, Ks, R, HR, RBI, OPS. I was within striking distance of ks, so I loaded my roster up with starters. The day went badly, i benched Axford to prevent a blown save, but he saved a game (the only Brewers win against the phils). I didn’t get enough k’s, I lost more games so him and i were tied in losses. However, I did win more games, which tied us at wins. i ended up getting the SB lead, H and AVG. I just needed to tie because I had the tiebreaker
Well going into the final game I had a 2 run deficit to erase with Castro and Duda, while he had Pagan. Both of them did nothing, and I ended up losing (R,HR,RBI,OPS,K,ERA,WHIP) and winning (H,SB,AVG,BSV) with 3 categories tied.
More or less, a combination of me over-managing my team and a late week push by my team caused me to lose.
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Correction, I ended up winning losses, which is why I just need to overtake him in runs to tie
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Brutal. But I’m amazed that team you had was any good.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Me and fantasy baseball are fantasy BFFs after this year. it’s something I get a lot of entertainment out of, and is perfect for an office setting. The team I had was actually quite good. We finished 2nd overall in the league. With a top tier pitching staff, I just needed to a few batting categories a week. HRs and RBIs I’d always lose, but because I had guys that would lead off, i became prominent in Runs, hits, avg and stolen bases. However, it was feast or famine. I’d always lose homeruns and RBI, and because of my lack of extra bases and what not OPS I’d split. The real fun I had was uncovering very productive guys. De Aza for the last 2 weeks has been lighting up the field with stolen bases and hitting well above 400. Daniel Murphy was also pleasant to come across. hit for 345 and produced some power numbers. kotchman didn’t produce power numbers, just had a high average. Loved what I was able to do, and plan on doing it next year in various money leagues
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Fantasy baseball is also my favorite, though I tend to employ the “strong infield, one ace, ton of high K/9 starters” strategy. Build around it.
Won last year, came in 1st, 2nd, and 4th in my three leagues this year, but I’m already out of the playoffs in the league I won the President’s Trophy. Hitting 0.215 over the two-week round 1 will do that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
it truly is one of those games where a bad week can end it all for you. Money leagues also make things more competitive and interesting, and in the future I will be doing more of them. It’s the little gems that count, and getting production out of those gems (Lucas Duda)
For my infielder i lean towards utility men that hit for high average and stolen bases etc. if the player is stationary, then it’s either avg or power numbers.
in the league i was able to trade Carpenter, a 6th, McCutchen for C.C, bruce and a 1st. I still take pride in that trade
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good trade. It worked out better for you this year, but Bruce is going to come back to down and McCutchen is going to explode. Other than that, good work.
I grabbed Duda too, who was huge. But to me, Mike Morse was my best waiver move of the year. And I had Brett Lawrie.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Brett Lawrie killed me last week, I remember not picking up Mike Morse.
There’s the notion that i will have 4 keepers next year, and they will be Castro, Weeks, CC and Halladay
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Castro? I guess, why not.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Shortstops who hit for 300 and steal bases are hard to come by. I snatch 1 up before it disappears
Think about it: top 5 shortstops
Reyes, Ramirez (H), then it’s a dropoff
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If Reyes can stay on the field, that is.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
and Ramirez is a head case on a questionable team. Castro has been the safest bet aside from Tulo this year
btw, Tulo is on that list too
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And that’s why I draft Tulowitzki in the first round wherever possible.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
and someone will keep him, so I’m protecting myself and keeping Castro and Weeks, both because they hit above average, steal and are positionally scarce
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Autoplay warning on the NHL 12 female players article. The video at the bottom automatically starts playing an ad that can’t be paused. Grr.
Otherwise, cool article. :-)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Interesting. I paused it. I’M A WIZARD!
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Contracts
At this point aren’t the flyers at 50 contracts? So even if we wanted to sign someone such as Couturier we’d have to waive or trade someone right?
by youtastelikeaburger on Sep 13, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
Waiving a player only works if the person is claimed by another team; if they clear waivers, the contract stays on the books. The waiver period isn’t open yet, either, that’s closer to the end of camp.
Trading is good as long as we don’t take contracts back in return, we need to trade for picks or make uneven trades.
Couturier, because of the slide rule, could technically sign a contract now but he wouldn’t be able to play more than 9 games in the NHL this year unless we get rid of another contract to make room for him. IMO, it wouldn’t be smart to keep him here and let him play the 9 games knowing we’re planning to send him down, because I don’t see how missing the beginning of the season with his junior team would do him any good; I think he’d be better off just getting to start the year as normal.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the info. I agree playing 9 games wouldn’t really be that beneficial considering our current lineup would only allow him to play a few minutes each night anyway. But it would be nice to have him under contract and playing in the AHL rather than down in juniors. I think he has proven himself down there and could use the experience of rougher play and better players at the AHL level. Not to mention he could be a call up if necessary or even a black ace at the end of the season.
by youtastelikeaburger on Sep 13, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Having him under contract doesn’t make him AHL-eligible this year, though. It’s still NHL or Juniors only because of his age.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus he’s a (seeming) lock for another World Junior’s appearance this year. So even if he did a 9 game stint, how much does that disrupt the season and possible development? 9 games here, likely on the bench, then down to Juniors, then off to the WJC in December.
Your Talking about taking a Kid, having him show to a team at the start of November, and probably be gone by the beginning of December, to come back the second week of January… Thats a whole lot of season disruption, not to mention how it effects meshing with linemates, getting into a normal schedule, etc.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Exactly. I’d prefer that path.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
That might not have been clear enough, I meant to say I’m following along with your last sentence there. He should get to have the normal development cycle; meshing with the linemates, normal schedule, etc.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
we need to trade for picks or make uneven trades.
Leighton and Walker to a cap-floor team for a third.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I still don’t think this is possible. No one seems to do it. Campbell only happens because Tallon has a crush on him and valued him at that contract originally. Otherwise, why wouldn’t teams go the buyout (still an option with Leighton or Walker, but they don’t really offer much of a cap bump) or FA-overpay route.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
They should buy them out. If no one wants them via trade they might as well get whatever cap space they can.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
They get even more cap space by burying them in the minors.
Buyouts are terrible.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, that’s what they are already doing!
At least the Flyers know the right thing to do with the terrible contracts they sign and acquire?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Indeed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
What about buying out an AHLer or a European? Does that effect Contract limits? Can you even waive someone not in the NHL? blah… too much stuff to learn/know.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
What about buying out a European?
Just, like, any random European?
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It doesn’t make much sense to buyout an AHLer, since you wouldn’t be getting cap space – rather, you’d be gaining a cap hit – but it does get rid of a contract.
As far as waiving someone not in the NHL… you have to at the beginning of the year if they are waiver eligible (Johan Backlund last year, Michael Leighton this year) but waivers are only used when moving someone to or from the NHL.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Ordinary Course Buyouts also aren’t available during Training Camp…
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
But in a not-Couturier situation… say Nylander or some invitee impressed, could we dump/buyout a non-NHLer to fit them at/just after the start of the season?
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Paragraph 13 of the NHL SPC, the period for ordinary course buyouts:
(i) beginning the later of June 15 or forty-eight (48) hours after the conclusion of the Stanley Cup Finals and ending at 5:00 p.m. New York time on June 30; andIf you don’t have an arbitration case, you don’t get the second buy-out period; and even if you do have one, the latest that can end is somewhere around August 10th.
(ii) For Clubs who have Club or Player elected Salary Arbitration filings pursuant to Article 12, within the forty-eight (48) hour period beginning on the third day following the later of: (i) the Club’s receipt of its last salary arbitration award; or (ii) settlement of its last case …
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I know I sound like a broken record, but I think this warrants repeating in case there’s new people around: If Couturier is really good enough to make the squad now, don’t expect his ELC to be cheap. The cap is definitely a factor, here. IMO, his contract is likely to have bonuses higher than JVR’s and Bob’s, and a cap hit closer to Schenn’s $3.1M wouldn’t be out of the question. I’m thinking at least $2.5M, but definitely not less than $2M. Of the 2011 draft picks that I see new contracts for on CapGeek; the 20th overall pick has a cap hit of $1.137M, 11th overall is at $1.35M, and 2nd overall is $3.575M.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
I think its all important info to put out repeatedly.
Anyone who hasn’t seen it before is going to get excited at the press and not know about the intricacies of Contracts, stuff like no Bonus Cushion this year because its the last year of the CBA, or that a player under a Junior Contract can’t just jump up to the AHL.
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Agreed. If Couturier gets a 9-game NHL stint, I think it has to mean that Schenn gets a 9-game AHL stint.
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So that’s 18 games of the season where we concede to not developing chemistry on the lines they play on.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I just realized that I totally didn’t say what I was actually thinking… What I meant was 9 games of lost time getting the Flyers lines set up, and 9 games of lost time for the Phantoms. Not 18 continuous ones. I need more coffee.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I guess it wasn’t entirely clear from my brief reply, but had I written another sentence, it would have been “I don’t see the point in jerking both guys around and slowing down the development of the guy we’re going to count on this year in the hopes of accelerating the guy who’s at least a year away.”
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I don’t neccesarily think that a nine game trade off so Couturier could get some NHL experience is a horrible idea. Not to mention that it doesn’t mean it has to be at the price of Schenn being in the AHL. For example, if Pronger is not ready to go maybe he could be LTIR for those nine games and open up the money for Couturier. I have been a little nervous about our cap and contract situation but I think that there are moves that can be made to free up space for both. I by the way am only guessing about LTIR for 9 games on Pronger, I’m not sure if there is a minimum amount of games he would have to sit out.
A player needs to be out for a minimum of 10 games and 24 calendar days to go onto LTIR. Pronger may be ready to play before that last weekend in October; and I don’t want to be forced to make Pronger sit out just so Couturier can get minimal playing time. To carry both one would have to be pushed to the wing, unless you’re proposing temporarily displacing Briere or Giroux, which means wasted time getting their lines going.
LTIR is also something teams want to avoid using as much as possible, because it messes up your cap flexibility for the rest of the season, and I’d rather not start the season with two players who total $6M on LTIR.
I personally think the disadvantages of a limited 9 game stint with no intention to keep him at the NHL level outweigh the small benefit Couturier might get.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 14, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
OK I agree then I was not sure what the rule was. Yea that would not be worth it unless Pronger has a set back. I just hope he is at full strength when he comes back not even a splinter in a finger. I would rater him take extra time and be positive he is ready to go.
I still think there are ways to get Couturier his 9 game look. I think that its a good thing for it to happen because it gives him confidence. If he has to spend a year in the Q again then I think giving him a taste and the confidence of the NHL could be best for him. It would also give him an idea of what to work on and how the speed and strength is at this level.
Eric I thank you for going over to CBJ and explaining to them why his perdictions maybe a little rediculous. I read their post last night and was astonished. I tried to let Geoff know about it but it was late and he was probably busy. Obviously he must have saw the same thing I did hence it being here today. I wanted to post on CBJ but they banned me a couple months back for having a conversation that got heated but in no way was profane. I was so glad when I saw your post over there, I mean the stats for Mason are beyond rediculous. I would say it is impossible for a team to improve from high 20’s satistically to top 6 in offense, defence, and goaltending in one season.
Honestly, I don’t think he meant them as predictions in the classic “here’s the likely outcome” sense. He even says they’re unlikely.
Think of them as individual goals for each player, and it’s a perfectly reasonable post.
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I understand what you are saying but even as individual goals for each player I think it is a pretty far stretch. Nash and Carter are reasonable goals for each though Nash hitting 49 is a high bar to set it could be possible but Mason’s “goal” is very far out of the relhm of possibilty. I see your point I don’t understand posting stuff like that. Why not make the post what you think is possible not unlikely.
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by Eugene Markman on Sep 13, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
From your fingers to God’s ears!
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Forsberg was the prototype; ankle defects have been corrected, God hopes.
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What’s not to love about a guy who had average zone starts (7th on team), faced terrible competition (by far the weakest on the team), and got pushed back brutally hard (Corsi Rel of -13.6)?
Oh, and at 0.11 G/60 and 0.21 A1/60, he’s the lowest scorer on the team by a mile, to boot!
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Character guys! Nothing wrong with adding another one.
Stop being so Neg-adelphia, Eric.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He was 9th on the team in faceoffs taken, with 112. He won 57 and lost 55.
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I think guys like that being invited to camp is just to put pressure on players. They probably are trying to put pressure on younger players like Schenn or maybe Nodl. I don’t think the Flyers accually believe that he can make the team. Its just so younger players don’t feel complaciant and have the attitude that they are a lock. I do have concern about the number of contracts we have. I don’t think its a major issue because they could make trades for picks or something. I also think that if they wave a couple guys like one of the goalies, Shelley, or Walker ect. I am sure some team out there would be willing to pick them up. I almost possitive we will not see Cooter other than maybe the 8 or 9 game look. Which I am totally fine with I would much rather him play another year in the Q. Unless he is the best player in camp it does not make sense to me. From what I have read in the early articles printed already it sounds like he even understands that his skating needs work.
On the issue of “just waiving some guys who are sure to be picked up”
Z last season, minimal playing time, 15 goal scorer, Waived heading towards the playoff push. Picked up by no one.
I don’t think Walker, Leighton, or Shelly would be a “lock” to be picked up on waivers. Nor do I want half of any of their salaries on the cap.
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I think those three would be picked up by someone. Shelley is a goon with a little defensive skill and would probably be an upgrade for a couple of teams for that position.
Leighton would get picked up there is always a team out there that is in need of goalie depth.
Walker I think would be a little of a toss up but I think he would get picked up.
Leighton was on reentry waivers last yera and nobody picked him up at half-price.
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Not to mention Walker going on waivers AND re-entry waivers last year, and nobody wanted him either at full or half-price.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 14, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yea I know I was just really wishing for a miracle for those two. I think we could have a shot with Leighton however a lot of teams have some really dinasours for goalies now maybe one would take a shot on him. I do think Shelley would be picked up. The real head scratcher in all this though is the Bacashihua, Jason singing. I just have no idea why you would waste a contract on him when we have plenty of goalies. If we did not do this we could have Leighton in the A and at least know he can be a decent fill in if needed for injury.
Here’s the thing: NHL teams could have had Leighton for this season at $800k back in April. They chose not to.
Now, you think teams would be willing to give the Flyers something in return for the right to pay Leighton $1.55m instead of signing Marty Turco, Pascal Leclaire, Mike Brodeur, John Grahame, or Ray Emery (who is only on a pro tryout)?
You are extremely optimistic if you think the Flyers can trade Leighton and actually get something in return.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 15, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Teams that didn’t think they could afford Leighton for 775k last year would probably give up a draft pick to pay him 100% more because the cap increase 8%.
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Geoff half of those goalies are sighned so it would be hard for them to get a tryout on another team.
Sorry I saw Brodeur and mistaked it for someone else. Well I see your point but at this point the only ones on that list I take over Leighton is probably Turco and maybe Leclaire.
And that’s fine, but it doesn’t matter what you’d take. It matters that in your scenario, NHL teams are giving up something of value to pay Leighton $1.55m when they could sign any of the above names for significantly less money.
To you, the NHL would rather overpay and lose something of value to obtain a marginally better (arguable) goalie than save money, keep all their assets, and sign a marginally worse (again, arguable) goalie.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 15, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, so in your scenario, the Flyers trade Leighton and get nothing?
Trades generally imply an asset going both ways. Since cash transactions are against the CBA, I simply assumed you were a) trading him; b) within the rules allowed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 15, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I do have concern about the number of contracts we have. I don’t think its a major issue because they could make trades for picks or something.
And then you went on to mention Leighton, Shelley and Walker. So to me, at least, it was implied that you were talking about trading Leighton. I know I’m not Geoff, but I’m pointing out where I saw it since you’re being so impatient demanding an answer in bold print.
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funny what you choose to highlight because this is the sentence right after the one you highlighted..
I also think that if they wave a couple guys like one of the goalies, Shelley, or Walker ect. I am sure some team out there would be willing to pick them up
Funny how you twist your sentence after the highlight when this is the exact sentence after it
Hey, I just answered your question.
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Still doesn’t change the fact that Leighton went through waivers AND re-entry waivers and nobody picked him up. But that’s going off on a tangent.
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Your right but Leighton was not NHL tested after coming off of back surgery when he came through re-entry waivers?? I am asking not quite sure if that is right.
I remember him playing one regular season game vs LA and it went very badly. After that, he was put on waivers and sent to the Phantoms. It was around playoff time (after “playing well” in the AHL from what I remember reading, I never saw a game) he was on reentry waivers to come back up.
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yea so he got shelled after 1 nhl game and went through waiver process again. If he does get claimed it only opens up half of salary but at this point any little bit would help. When I read Metzler’s article over the weekend, I had to laugh to myself when he talked about Homer talking up Walker this early in preseason. Maybe it could work but who knows.
If he does get claimed it only opens up half of salary but at this point any little bit would help.
If he gets claimed on waivers, the Flyers lose him and all of his salary. That would obviously help, though it’s completely unlikely.
If he gets claimed on re-entry waivers, the Flyers lose him, lose half of his salary, but are then paying $775k against the cap for a player that is not on their team. It’s a cap penalty, which really, isn’t helping since it’s $775k for a player they never had on their roster to begin with.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 21, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the Zwaiving and not being picked up was because of two things.
He had a attitude issues and money. Not so much money because most of it was probably already paid or at least half of it. The other a main issue being he is just not a team player. Not to mention he plays zero defense. I don’t get the love affair for Z. Obviously if he is this great player he would have been picked up. Not to mention had a contract this year in the NHL. I am not saying you feel this way about him but I do see many who do and I just don’t see it and obviously either do about 29 other teams.
The other a main issue being he is just not a team player.
We must have different definitions of team player, since I consider anybody who makes his team better a “team player”. Zherdev makes his team better. I couldn’t care less if he talks to anybody off the ice.
Not to mention he plays zero defense.
This is obviously hyperbole, but why does this keep coming up? Where is the evidence? He started in the offensive zone less than half the time last year, 6th most frequent among forwards. He had the second-lowest GA/60 among all forwards, while facing competition similar to Darroll Powe and Danny Briere.
Just because it’s a cliche doesn’t mean it’s true.
Obviously if he is this great player he would have been picked up.
This isn’t obvious at all. As you said above, you think he’s not a team player. If other GMs think his off-ice issues aren’t worth his on-ice production, it’s not at all an indictment of whether or not he is a “great player”.
You can’t say he has attitude issues, then say it’s obvious that he isn’t a great player simply because he wasn’t signed. It’s quite possible – and even highly likely – that teams realize how good of a player he is, but would rather sign someone without the off-ice baggage Zherdev carries.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 15, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you have a crush on Zherdev Geoff but I don’t see it. I don’t care if talks to people in the locker room and no where in my post did I say I did. He does not give it all every night. He obviously either has to have an attitude problem or an effort problem. Which ever one it is I don’t care. All I know is there are a lot less skilled players in the game and now he is not playing so something is wrong. Please don’t tell me it has to do with minor off ice things that have been reported in Russia, because there are players playing now that have had bigger issues than a supposed physical altercation with his wife. AND DON’T GIVE ME A SPEECH ABOUT HOW PHYSICAL ALTERCATIONS WITH ONES SPOSE IS MORE THAN A BIG DEAL. All I am saying is that there are players playing now that have done the same if not worse things off ice than he has.
Nice speech.
Nowhere did you address the reasons I responded: Your insistence that Zherdev isn’t a great player simply because he wasn’t signed is ignoring all that you just mentioned.
It’s completely possible that all 30 NHL GMs realize Zherdev is a great player, but would rather not a) pay him $1.5 million+; b) have him in their locker room; c) have to talk to the guy; d) worry about his legal issues.
If you would have simply refrained from using cliches (“not a team player”), hyperbole (“he plays zero defense”), and mutually exclusive comments (“he’s not a great player because he isn’t in the NHL”), I wouldn’t have responded.
It’s fine that you hate Zherdev. It’s fine that you want to criticize his play. It’s not fine when you make statements that aren’t logically correct. It’s the same thing that would happen if I used stats to come to an unrelated conclusion. You twisted facts to support a theory, and I pointed out that your logic is flawed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 15, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So because you said the same thing I did but worded it defferently means something okay. So its my choice of wording that is wrong or that they are “cliches”. Not that they are right its just the way I used them that bothers you.
No, it’s that you had twisted logic, a double standard, and complaints that either are untrue, hyperbole, or incapable of being proven.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 15, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Geoff I really do love to go back and forth with you and I never take it personal so I hope you don’t either. On that note however, if Z is such a highly capable player please explain why he was not offered a contract in the NHL this year. I think there was a rumor that the Jets offered him one but I am not sure. Also the excuse of any locker room or off ice issues or as you say “cliches” not being used tell me why he is not playing in NHL. We all know there are many players who have these issues but are still playing in NHL so please explain why he is not.
if Z is such a highly capable player please explain why he was not offered a contract in the NHL this year.
I just did, above.
It’s completely possible that all 30 NHL GMs realize Zherdev is a great player, but would rather not a) pay him $1.5 million+; b) have him in their locker room; c) have to talk to the guy; d) worry about his legal issues.
Also the excuse of any locker room or off ice issues or as you say "cliches" not being used tell me why he is not playing in NHL.
“locker room or off ice issues” isn’t cliche. Saying he’s “not a team player” is a cliche.
But thanks for finally stepping away from saying “Obviously if he is this great player he would have been picked up.” Since that is completely flawed logic.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 16, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
why is “locker room issues” not a cliche but “not a team player” is a cliche? As far as 1.5 million, I have a hard time that being a reason him not being sighned. If he is as good as a player that I believe you think he is (correct me if I am wrong) why would 1.5 million be a factor. Its not an absurd amount by any means. Having to talk to him do you mean the language barrier?
1) “locker room or off ice issues” is a category. “Not a team player” is an undefinable statement. It is saying “off ice factors”, as opposed to specifically saying he’s selfish. One is specific – without a definition, though – while the other acknowledges the unknown, and keeps it broad.
2) Don’t get hung up on $1.5 million, as it’s simply a guess as to what it would take for Zherdev to play in the NHL. Who knows how little he would have accepted to play in the NHL, let alone how little he would have accepted to play for Winnipeg.
The point remains that Zherdev’s cost could be too much for an NHL GM.
3) Having to talk to him simply means that he could be an unpleasant person. It sounds like Zherdev enjoys being alone, or in small cliques. He also might not be the friendliest of players. Close-knit groups may not like that.
All that really matters though, is that there are numerous reasons for why an NHL team decides to pass on a great player. I don’t give a shit about off-ice issues if the guy performs on the ice. Obviously, some people do. And that’s fine.
But when you try to simultaneously call him selfish and say he’s obviously not great because nobody signed him, you’re ignoring that there are numerous off-ice factors that could outweigh on-ice performance. Which is the flawed logic I take issue with.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 16, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Who? O_o
I'm in love with the Lightning, the Flyers are my fling and I have a crush on the Flyers fans. LA Kings by default.
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Today's dilemma
I’ve taken my 5-year-old son to a half-dozen A’s games this summer. As a result, he is starting to really like baseball…but he’s becoming a big A’s fan, wanting to wear green and yellow and buy A’s hats.
So what do you think, should I be buying tickets to a half-dozen Sharks games, or stick to the Flyers on tv?
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Get him tickets to Sharks games. Let him fall in love with hockey in person. Then let him drain your bank account by insisting he has to now play ice hockey. But seriously, get tickets.
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I wouldn’t worry about the team he chooses. The important thing is that he’ll love the sport… at least in my opinion.
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I wouldn’t worry about the team he chooses.
Does not compute.
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I have only 1 person to thank for not only my love of the flyers but more imortantly my love for the game. And that person is my father. He was a big time North Stars fan but my earliest memory of watching hockey was when he told me to pay attention and watch Ron Hextall. This is what eventually made me into a “bleed orange” type of guy but at the same time he never pushed anything on me. He got me to appreciate the game not just the color of the jerseys.
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I hope my theoretical children grow up to be Flyers fans, but I agree, it’s more important to me that they like hockey than a specific team. But if he/she picks the Penguins, they’re out of my will.
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Yes, he’s a kid, he’s supposed to have poor taste in clothing.
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This is true, but isn’t it my job to help him navigate these tricky waters?
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Taking him to live hockey games trumps everything else, worry about the consequences as they come. Plus you can teach him the joys of having a Western and Eastern Conference favorite.
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Where’s LV when we need him, aren’t his kids Caps fans? Maybe he could give you advice
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Could be worse. At least he won’t be a Rangers/Pens/Devils fan.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
This is true. Honestly, while it’s not what I’d hope for, him rooting for the Sharks is relatively benign.
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You live in that area he should be a fan of his home town teams and should also have a background in Philly sports.
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Love the sport first, love the team second.
As for clothing, go find a picture of yourself at 6 and decide if your really the best judge of what a 6 year old should be wearing.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
could be fun to have a father son rivalry between teams. Its a shame they don’t play each other much. I say try your best to get him to fall in love with the Flyers but as long as he loves hockey it is something you can bond over for years to come. Now if he wanted to become a Cowboys fan than you have send him to a therapist asap. I agree with Katchis as long as he loves the game that is what counts. You never know he could come around some day a learn the error of his ways.
I had a Father Son basketball rivalry growing up. Was a big Lakers fan in the 80’s, my Dad was a die hard Celtics fan. But I was just a little kid so it was fun and there wasn’t much ribbing, etc.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
What’s wrong with liking the Sharks? I love `em. I’ve got a total mancrush on Patrick Marleau.
I’ve always thought the rule was you can like any team in the west with total immunity. We see them so infrequently, having a west team to follow just makes us more aware of hockey in general.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I….like the Penguins…..
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by Cillo stache on Sep 13, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Half the grudges against them came from before I was born/was a hockey fan. I hate most of the fans, I hate the way they were built. But damn they’re good. I like them
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by Cillo stache on Sep 13, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I think more people hate them for events that occurred in the last 10 years as opposed to what happened during the Mario/Jagr era and anything prior.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I was raised a fan, but not an avid one till about 3ish+ years ago. I really only hate the Bruins
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by Cillo stache on Sep 13, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
nononono raised a Flyers fan
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by Cillo stache on Sep 13, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Then how can you possibly like the Pen’s? I don’t understand it at all.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Hockey before Flyers. NHL always plays Penguin replays all the time so I just watch them. I dunno I just like them
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by Cillo stache on Sep 13, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait the Pens were even in the league before 1990? Show me some evidence.
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hahah doesn’t matter I wasn’t alive then anyways
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by Cillo stache on Sep 13, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
My hate for the Pens goes back to the 80’s could not stand Mario even though he was great. He killed the Flyers all the time. It got even worse when Jagr came into the picture. Not to mention Ulf and of course the man I probably hated the most Kasparitius. Any guy who injures a player (Lindros) and while Lindros was obviously injured and having trouble getting off the ice with help. There was Kasparitius standing on the ice next to the bench watching and laughing it up that he injured him. I am not contesting the hit just the fact that he could be that classless.
You can respect the Pens but not like them.
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I don’t think I even respect them. I respect the Devils. I don’t respect the Pens.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I respect the Caps. I’ll even say I respect Crosby as a player. But I do not respect the Penguins team as a whole.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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I respect their coach, that’s where I I draw the line on Pittsburgh Respect.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 13, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I say, let him pick the teams he chooses to root for.
Then again, look who this is coming from. D:
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Is there any reason why Z key stops working?
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this was a key opportunity of for a Z joke regarding Z getting benched
For instance
“Maybe you’re using Z too much”
Response
“I use Z has much a Lavioliette”
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I totally blew it on that one.
In retrospect I would have gone with:
“Maybe Z is sitting up in the press box.”
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
amateur hour these days
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
So is this one if those situations where Couturier can suit up for 10 games then flyers have to decide to send him back to drummondville or keep him on the active
by ryanitus on Sep 13, 2011 12:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He needs a contract before he can play even 1 game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole adding of women to NHL actually kind of pisses me off.
They’ve been trying to make the game more of a simulation recently. So does that mean women’s stats are going to be capped at 60, and they’ll likely be crippled should Chara hip check them?
I honestly don’t understand what they’re trying to add other then “Tee-hee, women are just as good as men in everything!” libtard bullshit.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
I’m a girl. And I agree. Yes, I believe in equality to an extent, but there is always going to be differences.
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Giving up isn't an option
by Cillo stache on Sep 13, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe women and men should be treated with the same amount of respect, paid the same, treated the same, etc. (And no, that doesn’t mean treating women like construction workers.)
But to say that they are physical equals isn’t only wrong, it borders on a mental instability.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
But to say that they are physical equals isn’t only wrong, it borders on a mental instability.
I don’t think EA Sports is saying or even suggesting that. What they are doing is trying to please their consumer. And why the hell not? That’s what good businesses do.
By EA Sports adding this feature they are now able to grab a part of the market that they previously couldn’t.
If you don’t want women in the game then don’t create any women. Not like the system will start creating women as NHL rookies or anything like that.
And at the end of the day, who cares. It’s a video game, which is by nature, not real, therefore, it does not have to conform to what you consider to be realistic or mentally stable.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
That's just the thing though.
They did force it on you.
The indian chick listed in the article starts off in the free agent pool. It doesn’t matter if you don’t pick her up, another team will, and suddenly the islanders have a 99 rating goalie and some big indian girl is in net.
Now, I don’t want to speak ill of her, as I heard she died soon after the game was released, (Sucks =/ ) but it was an annoying move that screwed up your game whether you wanted it to or not.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Though I will admit, on second thought, replacing Crosby with a girl named Cindy Criesby would be pretty awesome.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Or, you can edit her rating down to a 0 like I did and she stayed in free agency until she retired.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
… Well that’s why you’re smarter then me.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I did too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, some people like to create characters of themselves to play in sports video games. And then give themselves outrageous stats so they’re the best player on the ice. Now women can make a character that looks like them, too. It’s just trying to please the customer.
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But to say that they are physical equals isn’t only wrong, it borders on a mental instability.
Eh, that’s not exactly true. It depends on what you’re talking about. My wife and I both love rock climbing. She’s far better than me at routes/moves that require balance and small holds, while I’m better than her at routes/moves that require a long reach or upper body strength. Since climbing invariably requires all of those things, we end up climbing at about the same difficulty level (she might be a little higher), even though we have different individual strengths.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
It sounds to me like you’re agreeing (anecdotally) that men and women aren’t physical equals.
I would conclude from this sample size of 1 that women have better balance and smaller hands, while men have longer reach and better upper body strength.
In other words, you’ve highlighted their physical inequalities, while citing one sport where their inequalities roughly balance to result in overall comparable skill levels.
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Hmm, not what I was going for at all. The overall comparable skill level was what I had in mind. Can I start over?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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We run a 5k in about the same time, how about that?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
There’s no reason to bring up the libtard bullshit thing, dude. There shouldn’t be women in the game because there are no women in the NHL. Let’s leave it at that and leave out the name calling.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Is he really calling anyone anything though? He was just describing that type of thought process.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
I don’t think that people who say “women are just as good as men” are necessarily always liberal nor retarded.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
But that thought process was rooted in liberal thought, so it’s not ridiculous at all, just more so making an appropriate reference (doesn’t have to be painting people that say it as liberals). And while I understand how offensive the “r” were can be, I can’t throw stones at people that use it since I use it referring to myself and my actions multiple times daily.
But hey that’s just me, I just thought there was an odd amount of lashback on this, especially given his second comment.
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That line of reasoning is not right, the whole, because a group of people refer to themselves by a word makes it appropriate to call them that word.
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He didn’t say a group of people use the word so it’s ok.
What he is saying is that he is not going to go after someone for using the word when he himself uses it, though it’s only to describe himself and not others.
As far as I read it, Don wasn’t making excuses for anyone.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Second comment didn’t come until well after I posted my comment, so I don’t know what his line of thinking was since I don’t know him personally.
Also, you’re not a woman. I am by no means an ultra liberal who jumps on every little feminist cause, but I just want to derail the conversation before it denegrates. I’ve been fighting this fight all day it would seem as on TGP we’re discussing the pink backpack bullpen bness.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Stop by the pickup games. They’re a blast, and even if you don’t play we hit up the bar afterwards. Honestly, there’s never been a problem at any game I’ve been to. We’re pretty much the friendliest bunch about.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
How does being a woman have anything to do with calling someone a liberal being offensive? I’m confused. You can be a male, be pro women’s rights, and be type casted as liberal. It’s not gender specific.
And my reference to the second comment was just in general with CCB’s banned reference etc.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
My orignal comment was saying that the phrase about women didn’t need to be labeled with the word “retarded”. That’s all I was saying, Don. You don’t think women belong because of their physical strength, fine. That doesn’t bother me. But don’t call the line of thinking retarded because it sort of pisses me off as it’s the same impasse I reach when even discussing sports with men. Some men still believe with certainty that women don’t even belong in a conversation about sports.
So maybe it’s me being too sensitive which I said above because I’ve been discussing the feminine in sports all day long. Being a woman, the words affect me differently. That’s all I am saying.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Well, I was the one who implied it, if that’s what was intended.
What I intended to get across was that the line of thinking that women are equals to men in all aspects (especially physical), is wrong. Calling it a product of libtards was just a poor word choice. Feel free to denounce me with whatever PC term you want to go with over it. I honestly intended no real insult <3
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And that’s fine. You explained yourself above and I understand you meant nothing malicious. I have no issues with the liberal moniker. My issues were with the “r” word. I’m a liberal, I don’t believe women are men’s equals in every single way (and I’m happy about that), but not knowing how you felt about women in other aspects of the sociological arena, I jumped in to stop any potential slide.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Ok, so it’s about the word “retard”, not the word “liberal”, that’s fine. From your last comment above, I thought you were referring to the word liberal. Though I would make the same claim, that he is referring to anyone with that thought process, not women specifically, so I think people in general would be effected by his phrasing the same way if they found it offensive, for example, M. But you’re right, I’m not a woman, I don’t understand what it’s like to be a woman specifically, but then again, I don’t know what it’s like to be M, or Ed, or BSB, or CCB specifically either…which is why i think it’s a personal response beyond the limitations of gender. I was just surprised at the lashback in general given some of the stuff that’s gets said on this board, it doesn’t mean I question your right to be offended, just surprised this one generated the response it did.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
You don’t think women belong because of their physical strength, fine.
Also no, that’s not what I think, and it’s not what I said. That is far to general a statement for me to accept it blanketed upon me in that way (though I’m aware you and I are probably on the same page of what you meant by that, it’s just I’d rather not be associated as believing what you typed out in your response).
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
I said that as a general statement with regard to the original poster; not meant to target “you” specifically.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
DLJr nailed it. I had an ex girlfriend who would take up any liberal or womanly cause without rationalizing her decision. It got annoying quick. There’s nothing wrong with liberal thoughts and causes, and I consider myself to lean to the left on most issues.
It’s when things become left for the sake of left that annoys me, but I honestly didn’t intend it to be some damning mark against a vast group of people.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep it up and you’ll be closer to 2ndBannedStreetBully
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
words can’t express…
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with doubleh. I’m a libtard and also played with a girl goaltender growing up and she was hands down one of the better tenders in this area in those days aside form maybe Richter.
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I scored two goals in my entire soccer career…and they were both against a girl goalie.
Take that fembots.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
But it was soccer. Thats like throwing a ball into the ocean and being impressed you hit the water, right?
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I scored two goals in my entire soccer career…and they were both against a girl goalie.
Take that fembots.
Small sample size.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
I don’t know, I play with women, some of which have a better skill set than me, but I can still keep up and even dominate them in games because of my physical stature (and you know I’m not exactly physically intimidating). He isn’t really wrong, especially when you take the top athletes in a sport, and pit the males against the females, it’s just not close. My fiancee was a McD’s all american BBall player and I’m horrible at BBall, but I can compete with her at one on one because of my size. Other than that, I agree in all counts of equality.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
Obviously there are some sports where I don’t believe there is a gender difference though, but they rely a lot less on physical gifts.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
Yeah. Racing I figure will have a woman champ at some point. I also question the validity of having seperate genders for curling.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny I was going to bring up curling, and have it be a genuine comment, but I feared it would be taken as insensitive and condescending.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
On a per minute basis, I’m pretty sure I watched more curling during the Winter Olympics then I did Hockey, and that wasn’t by design. There’s something damned mesmerizing about it.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I’d still like to try it. I remember during the 2002 Olympics I watched every match that was televised, both genders. I wanted to try it so bad.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
Don’t you have a friend with an Ice Rink?
Figure we use the zone faceoff circle for the center mark. It’d be getting the stones that’d be a pain in the ass.
by BannedStreetBully on Sep 13, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s ok, we can’t all be perfect ;)
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I must say....
I am so extremely disappointed in the BSH community, on BOTH sides of this little disagreement. Comment after comment, people spewing dislike and outright anger at one another, utter intolerance on every side, and not one of you…. not ONE of you, had the guts or the foresight to stand up and say to this bully what anyone with any decency would say. So, I’ll have to do it, BannedStreetBully…
…. why you heff to be mad?
According to RDS Hockey Lehtivouri was waived to play overseas meaning that there is 1 contract spot open.
Gus Supporter.
I was under the impression that waiving a guy didn’t create a contract spot unless another team claimed him from waivers.
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It’s probably unconditional for an eventual buyout.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Normally, yes. But DG and I see a possible out in the SPC.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Muthereffer. When does hockey start?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
You ain’t kidding. This is excruciating. Also, the Phillies lost two whole games in a row, so people are freaking the fuck out. I mean, really.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I know. It’s mind blowing. As long as the Phillies go into the playoffs playing consistently good baseball that is all that matters. I consider the next week and a half to be a time where they are working out kinks and getting healthy. And I bet over the next week and a half they still win 50% of their games.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Look at the lineups they are throwing out there! They took 3 of 4 from the Brewers with Valdez, Orr, Martinez, Gload, Francisco all getting starts and many at the same time. Come on!
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
You’re preaching to the choir. I am not too worried about it. But last night was a special kind of suck. Their line up was for the most part intact and they couldn’t do anything against a sub par pitcher, against the worst team in baseball and they did nothing to change their approach. Which, I guess I just need to accept as something they are never, ever going to do because Charlie isn’t smart enough to ask his players to do it.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I don’t think that was the issue. The issue was sloppy defense. Myers can pitch well; we know, we’ve seen it here on occasion. He’s just never been able to harness his talent with any sort of consistency (before last year anyway).
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
The sloppy defense certainly didn’t help and lead to some runs being scored that shouldn’t have but the teams approach to the plate last night was atrocious. Sure, Brett can be good, but he is bad more than he is good. His career numbers aren’t anything to be impressed with and he has one of the worst defenses in the league behind him.
Again, I am not overreacting at the fact that they lost last night, they had a crappy game, those are bound to happen, but losing to that pitcher, to that team the way they did is pretty ridiculous given how good they are .
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
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Giving up isn't an option
by Cillo stache on Sep 13, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, enough of this bullshit. Hamels for the playoffs tonight.
Don’t care about the inevitability. I love clinchers.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yeah, F Houston. That is all. What team in the NHL plagues the Flyers the way the Asstros plague the Phils?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I can’t think of anything long term, but the 1 win in 8 tries against Atlanta since Niitty left was as embarrassing to me as these Phils losses to the Astros are. I’m hoping that streak is over now that they’re in Winnipeg.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 13, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This is my 4989th comment on BSH. Any suggestions for the big 5k?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 13, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
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